Autoimmune disease

[Anonymous No.8800448]

Can any Medfags help me out?

I got blood tests back that say I am positive for "Antinuclear Antibody - speckled pattern".

My doctor is incompetent and says he had no idea what it could be.

I have many health symptoms but it's literally not lupus.
What could it possibly be?
is this a rare thing to have?

[Anonymous No.8800487]

bump

[Anonymous No.8800493]

could be shitloads of autoimmune diseases

do u have any more med papers, labs and shit?

[Anonymous No.8800494]

>>8800448
Take some iodine, that'll fix it

[Anonymous No.8800511]

>>8800493
>do u have any more med papers, labs and shit?
Yes.
Everything was fine except for:

+1 Hemoglobin in urine

High ferritin 486 ug/L [12-300]

High Bilirubin 41 umol/L [<20]

[Anonymous No.8800521]

>>8800511
i'd say lupus cuz of hematuria so it could be glomerulonephritis due to sle but u should do anti dna and anti smith to confirm

[Anonymous No.8800526]

>>8800521
>lupus
no symptoms of lupus


>do anti dna and anti smith
Which tests are these exactly?

>glomerulonephritis
I think my kidneys are fine.


Anyway, how rare is it to have anti nuclear speckled pattern?

[Anonymous No.8800529]

>>8800448
You need to see a rheumatologist

[Anonymous No.8800531]

>>8800529
>You need to see a rheumatologist
How?
Do I have to get a referral?

[Anonymous No.8800532]

>>8800448
First of all, what where your complaints when going to the doctor

[Anonymous No.8800536]

>>8800532
like everything
I have intolerance to countless foods that I didn't have before, anxiety, massive ocd, can't sleep, just feel terrible in general, very mentally fatigued

also a barium swallow study said I have duodenum inflammation and hiatus hernia

[Anonymous No.8800547]

>>8800536
I'm not a doctor, but sounds like Crohn's or ulcerative collitis. Ask for a referral to a rheumatologist

[Anonymous No.8800549]

>>8800547
Okay good diea.

[Anonymous No.8800575]

>>8800526
u dont have to have those classic signs of lupus for u too se u have one u idiot

u can only have vascular changes or even artralgia with some edema etc

[Anonymous No.8800580]

>>8800547
explain to me how is this a chrons or ul.colitis u moron , that's literally 2 dif parts of intestine

COLITIS - colon
chron- could be..could be anywhere in gi
or it can be just a celiac disease or vasculitis

[Anonymous No.8800584]

>>8800448
>antinuclear antibody
>antinuclear
Enjoy your genetic instability. You're going to die from cancer and rapid ageing.

[Anonymous No.8800585]

>>8800584
ur bad sense of humor already gave him cancer

now gtfo brainlet

[Anonymous No.8800597]

>>8800584
>Enjoy your genetic instability. You're going to die from cancer and rapid ageing.
Is this true?

[Anonymous No.8800611]

>>8800597
No, he's just a faggot

[Anonymous No.8800633]

>>8800529
>>8800547
only real posts in this thread

[Anonymous No.8800649]

>>8800597
no

[Anonymous No.8800652]

>>8800633
it wouldnt hurt to do anti dna and anti smith just to exclude SLE u know, there are many forms of it

[Anonymous No.8800824]

>>8800536

Antinuclear Antibody is a nice screening test that shows you more than likely do have some sort of autoimmune disease but it's not specific. A lot of the suggestions in this thread can explain your symptoms but your best bet would be to go to a rheum doc who can make a clearer diagnosis.

[Anonymous No.8800948]

>>8800597
ofcourse not, but your life expectancy might be lower than average though. Who cares though, we all die in the end. Might as well die before your body starts hurting and decaying.

[Anonymous No.8800994]

>>8800824
>who can make a clearer diagnosis.
So what kind of tests will this doctor run?
what more tests can possibly be done?

[Anonymous No.8800999]

>>8800948
biological immortality cant come soon enough

[Anonymous No.8801011]

It just means you're positive for a marker associated with many auto immune states not specific for any one of them.

It also matters the degree to which the titer is positive. If it came back hugely positive that also means something may be going on.

Whyd you get the test? Are you having symptoms of anything?

[Anonymous No.8801018]

>>8800448
that just mans youre blood is god removing nuclear bodies

[Anonymous No.8801318]

>>8800994
>>who can make a clearer diagnosis
Went through the same problems.the slow pace of medical field.
Took years for me to get accurate diagnosis.then even longer for the right medicine.
My family Dr. Wasted many years by sending me for physical therapy,instead to a specialist.
Got fed up went to emergency room nothing.
Went to Cleveland clinic,got diagnosed in one month.after wasting years on local drs.

[Anonymous No.8801363]

>>8801318
what did you have?

[Anonymous No.8801876]

>>8800448
You possibly have gut problems, or spend too much time in a borderline sterile environment full of irritating compounds of various sorts. Many of which (bromine(s)) inhibit your tissue's capacity to bind and properly traffic iodine.

Also, exposure to pulsed microwave fields. Cell phones, cordless phones, wifi, smart meters, lesser extent power lines, etc. Activates voltage gated calcium channels and
fucks with your immune system.

[Anonymous No.8801885]

>>8801876
Now that I read this:
>>8800536

You near certainly have gut problems. Get evaluated for SIBO, leaky gut, ulcerative colitis, chrohn's, broader IBS, etc. Same deal I have and have had since I was a very young child. Took me until I was 17 to have it get bad enough to make me outright intolerant to most foods. 23 until I properly determined the underlying nature of the process that lead to the intolerance to begin with.

[Anonymous No.8801886]

>>8801876
>Also, exposure to pulsed microwave fields. Cell phones

stopped reading about there

[Anonymous No.8801892]

>>8801886
I don't really care that you don't properly understand and accept how things work. That's the way it is, and that's the beginning and the end of it. Read a book or something, you're so far behind the curve that people in the 70's were further along than you.

[Anonymous No.8802453]

>>8800448
>My doctor is incompetent and says he had no idea what it could be.

Doctors don't know everything under the sun. Seek a specialist such as an immunologist

[Anonymous No.8803054]

>>8801876
>Cell phones, cordless phones, wifi, smart meters, lesser extent power lines, etc. Activates voltage gated calcium channels and
OP here

How true is this?

Most pubmed studies.

[Anonymous No.8803057]

>>8801885
>>8801876
It's hilarious how the so called "quacks" were right about all this gut stuff the whole time while the medical establishment was wrong.

Fucking "skeptics", kill yourselves.
Swalow cyanide.

[Anonymous No.8803085]

>>8801876
>You possibly have gut problems, or spend too much time in a borderline sterile environment full of irritating compounds of various sorts. Many of which (bromine(s)) inhibit your tissue's capacity to bind and properly traffic iodine.
How would taking iodine stop this from happening and fix my system?

[Anonymous No.8804392]

>>8803054
http://www.bioinitiative.org/table-of-contents/
Many citations.

[Anonymous No.8804547]

>>8800597
>Antinuclear Antibody - speckled pattern
When lymphocytes are developed within the Thymus, clonal selection occurs; that is, immature T cells that have an affinity for antigens/proteins that are naturally produced by the body are cut out or cease to develop into mature lymphocytes. In a positive antinuclear-antibody test, these mature lymocytes are found to have an affinity to some of the natural proteins produced by cells in your body, specifically the nucleus, mistaking them as foreign antigens.
>SLE

[Anonymous No.8804565]

>>8800448
The mechanism by which these mature lymocytes started to attack proteins produced by the body's own nuclei are not completely understood. We know that a signal transduction mechanism within APC's are involved and can be stimulated by the introduction of certain drugs within the body or other environmental factors.
>>8801876
> Cell phones, cordless phones, wifi, smart meters, lesser extent power lines, etc. Activates voltage gated calcium channels
Citation please

[Anonymous No.8804572]

There's also another autoimmune disease that presents with ANA, but I can't remember. I want to say myasthenia gravis but that feels wrong.

In any case, try probiotics and if you actually get diagnosed with something helminth therapy works too.

[Anonymous No.8804821]

>>8800448
Medfag. Here's what speckled ANA is http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/IMMHTML/IMM005.html

It's usually used as a screening test for autoimmune diseases like Systemic Lupus Erythrmatosus. But it's not very specific for the disease. If you think it's Lupus, you should get confirmatory Anti-DNA/Anti-Smith Antibody test.

However it can honestly be a range of autoimmune diseases since it's a very sensitive test. You'd need additional testing. What are your symptoms?

[Anonymous No.8805765]

>>8804572
>helminth therapy
This is the most insane thing I've ever read.
You're insane.

[Anonymous No.8805773]

>>8804547
interesting

why "speckled pattern" though?

[Anonymous No.8805791]

>>8804821
>What are your symptoms?
like a million times

ocd, anxiety, fatigue, really bad digestive issues, constipation, food intolerances

[Anonymous No.8805822]

>>8804821
>>8804572
>>8804565
>>8804547
>>8804392
>>8803057
>>8802453

I have another question.

I have high bilirubin levels too.
Does that mean my liver is not flushing my bile?

Could it be contributing to my constipation and overall shit health?

[Anonymous No.8806371]

I had all the same issues as you, about 9 years ago

I have to change what I eat & don't eat frequently and eat little amounts of different things constantly and it keeps it under control

I had cuts all through my intestinal track and shit and was half dead.. but am all good now

sometimes I have major things to stay away from, like right now I can't have pineapple nor celery or I'll basically fucking die like it really fucks me up for weeks

I still have yet to find 1 doctor who even has a suggestion for me, I had to figure it out myself.. saw specialists in germany & all over the states almost flew out to korea & japan too to get checked out. apparently china is really good at digestion but I'm scared of them

[Anonymous No.8806466]

>>8805822
Seriously man, cant you google shit or what
Do you really trust people here?

By the way, did the doctor just dismiss you like that, without telling you anything else?
Were you checked in your local clinic or in an hospital?

[Anonymous No.8806482]

>>8806466
>Do you really trust people here?
Over doctors in my shit country that don't even care about you?
Yeah.

That's why I've been researching this shit myself over the past 6 years

[Anonymous No.8806774]

>>8806482
Most people will never understand this. Try having highly educated morons try to tell you trigeminal neuralgia type 2 is some strange form of migraine. Food intolerances that dropped my blood pressure to 90/55 and elevated my resting heart rate to 140 bpm for a minimum of 7 hours as anxiety and panic disorder.

The medical profession, viewed as a collective whole, is a pile of malformed asinine trash. A desert having a few oasis doesn't change the fact that it's a desert.

[Anonymous No.8808135]

>>8806774
>The medical profession, viewed as a collective whole, is a pile of malformed asinine trash.
This is a fact.

[Anonymous No.8808152]

>>8800511
You may have Hep B or C, go get yourself checked for that shit.

[Anonymous No.8808400]

>>8808152
>You may have Hep B or C, go get yourself checked for that shit.
Why do you think this?

[Anonymous No.8808403]

>>8804821
>Lupus
it's never lupus

[Anonymous No.8808496]

>>8806774
Did you see a neurologist about the neuralgia?
Any other specialist?
What did the doctor say about the food thing?
How did you get the BP and heart rate measurements?

Because you have the vibe of "that" guy who reads some shit in the internet and believes himself an eminence.
Absolutely no offense intended, please keep ur cool

[Anonymous No.8810006]

Fix your gut microbiota. Don't ever take antibiotics unless you absolute need them.

Lactobacillus plantarum is a must and I recommed L. rhamnosus and L. reuteri as well. But best be safe and try getting as many different species as you can. Maybe around 20 probiotic species on the market in pill form.

It's not enough to eat them once unless you keep feeding them the correct fibers in order to keep their numbers up and their metabolism working. I'd suggest you get the fibers (like pectin from apples, rs from potatoes).

Autoimmune diseases (as well as allergies) are formed when your gut bacteria do not signal your gut to stay tight and food proteins enter wrong places causing your immune system to react to them. Some food proteins will be somewhat similar to some proteins that your body itself makes and this is where autoimmunity arises. Allergies would also be avoided if the food proteins stayed where they should have stayed, in your gut. But your gut doesn't work if the microbiota is all wrong or dead.

[Anonymous No.8810034]

>>8801876
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.8810393]

>>8810006
mmmhhh
rly make me think sir

[Anonymous No.8810405]

>>8800494
>Doesn't even know what disease dude has
>Yeah try this drug
Fucking americans

[Anonymous No.8810424]

>>8800448
Perform a coffee enema ad drink some tea. You'll be fine in no time as long as the God's allow it. Also, what is your zodiac sign?

[Anonymous No.8810426]

>>8800448
it is aids anon

[Anonymous No.8810651]

>>8805765
It works, faggot. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.8810711]

>>8810651
Dont forget to detoxify your liver anon

[Anonymous No.8811003]

>>8810006
I've tried countless probiotics

they don't work

maybe they're not growing, but I've taken them with prebiotics too

I've done gut bacteria tests and I have ZERO growth of any lactobactillus species

[Anonymous No.8811033]

>>8811003
Gut microbiota as the source of autoimmune disease is largely overblown. They usually account for a small number of autoimmune diseases. Most, if not genetic, are due to failure of negative selection during MHC restriction or failure of T-regulatory cells to produce IL-2. The bilirubin production is strange though. I'm not inclined to believe you have SLE, and I apologize for jumping to conclusions in my earlier post. Positive ANA with a speckled pattern almost always results in SLE but SLE also causes decreased levels of Bilirubin in the blood. The issue with a positive speckled pattern ANA is that they are a non-specific indication of an auto-immune response compared to other ANA test. Do you have any yellowing of the skin? Also, do you know what titre was used for the ANA test?

[op No.8811048]

>>8811033
>The bilirubin production is strange though.
Something is probably wrong with my liver.

I feel like my entire intestinal tract including my stomach and also my liver is partially paralyzed. I now also have a real hard time burping.

what could this possibly be?

>Do you have any yellowing of the skin?
No.

>Also, do you know what titre was used for the ANA test?
No, sorry.

[Anonymous No.8811693]

>>8805791
Honestly, could be anything, hard to tell without diagnostic tests.

[Anonymous No.8811961]

>>8811033
What would skin yellowing indicate?

[Anonymous No.8811994]

>>8811961
yellowing of the skin would indicate jaudice,

[Anonymous No.8812547]

>>8810405
Iodine isn't a drug you retard