/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.8469629]

>muh 97% of scientists believe in global warming
>if you don't believe in global warming you are a racist conspiracy theorist

I believe global warming is happening naturally but its unstoppable and we can't do anything about it but adapt.

So I'm so glad you smug global warming fags and treehuggers got eternally BTFO.

[Anonymous No.8469638]

>>8469629
>believe
>>>/x/
Remeber to sage!

[Anonymous No.8469640]

>>8469629
Good for you. But the scientific consensus does support the idea of man-made climate change. Sure it does happen naturally, but we've drastically accelerated the process.

[Anonymous No.8469662]

>>8469640
>(((scientific consensus)))

You mean a group of people refusing to consider any alternative research to the mainstream climate change narrative because they're too scared to lose grants and tenure.

Give it a generation or two and climate change will be replaced by another theory.

[Anonymous No.8469690]

>>8469629

Fuck off with this shit. How many threads do you need to prove you're a fucking retard?

[Anonymous No.8469721]

>>8469629
But global warming is FALSE. DO you really REALLY think that having 200 parts per MILLION more CO2 in atmosphere (literally 200 parts in a million) will KILL US ALL? DO YOU THINK THAT YOU RETARD?

If I go into your room RIGHT NOW, and RELEASE a fistful of CO2 IN YOUR ROOM right NOW, WILL YOU DIE? WILL you die in your sleep? WILL YOU DIE`?

[Anonymous No.8469767]

>>8469662
Consider this, if you had a thoery that was able to dis-proove or at least provide a better alternative to man made climate change. Wouldn't it gather a lot of attention? I'm pretty sure that's what scientific journals look for on the whole. The only reason why there arent any is because they aren't credible with the data. You people are just scared that your precious little fossil fuel industry is at risk and are completely willing to deny anything fust so you can be happy with your pathetic little world view. You're not better than the creationist fags. Scared of the truth

[Anonymous No.8469771]

Global warming nutjobs belong to >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.8469776]

>>8469629
>97% of people who's job it is to study their subject in depth agree on the same conclusion.
>one fat billionaire 0 scientific background disagrees because he wants to make more money
>half the country now believes him
holy shit, no wonder 'Murica is still the laughing stock of the world.

[Anonymous No.8469788]

>>8469776
>97% of the cherrypicked "scientists" papers behind a paywall echo the same thing with zero consistent evidence.

Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.8469797]

>>8469788
Kill yourself denial-fag

[Anonymous No.8469800]

>>8469797
Your delusions are flaring up again
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.8469801]

>>8469721
It's not the carbon dioxide that will kill people, you twat.

[Anonymous No.8469803]

>>8469788
>cherrypicked "scientists"

lol, someone is mad that the Heritage Foundation has shit all over its credibility so much that it is no longer taken seriously by academia.

[Anonymous No.8469858]

>>8469788
>ebin paywall meme xxddddfddd
https://scihub22266oqcxt.onion.link/
How new are you?
You clearly have never been interested in getting around them or you'd have found scihub by googling. Or maybe you're just a neurasthenic imbecile who sees a problem he can't solve and promptly declares victory.

[Anonymous No.8469860]

>>8469629
>I believe global warming is happening naturally but its unstoppable and we can't do anything about it but adapt.

Go actually kill yourself. Nobody cares what you believe. If you aren't somebody who has studied climate science in depth, then you aren't qualified to have an """"""""opinion"""""""""'' on the matter. Guess what, retard? This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of FACT! It's fags like you who speculate about "le quantum physics xD" and "I just proved God is irrefutably real with SCIENCE!!" No. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Shut the fuck up, you bumbling hick.

[Anonymous No.8469866]

>>8469767
>Wouldn't it gather a lot of attention?
No it wouldn't.

Look at those scientists who are not in the "concensus". Who pays attention to them?

Climate science isn't a science, it's a "the majority is right" game for scientists who need funding.

Climate change blackmail is what it's called. Just like when criticizing israel means you get tagged as "antisemitic" etc

[Anonymous No.8469868]

>>8469858
scientists don't publish or get reviewed/advertised on scihub you fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.8469870]

>>8469860
>climate change circle jerk

>we're the only ones with a valid opinion

Sounds like scientology to me

[Anonymous No.8469871]

>>8469662
>You mean a group of people refusing to consider any alternative research to the mainstream climate change narrative because they're too scared to lose grants and tenure.

If they actually did find evidence that climate change was in fact not happening, then they would be relieved and would be happy to share it with the world.

[Anonymous No.8469873]

>>8469871
but they can't afford to look for it, because they wouldn't be granted the money in the first place.

How is this not getting through to you?

[Anonymous No.8469880]

>>8469629
>I believe global warming is happening naturally but its unstoppable and we can't do anything about it but adapt.
Nice belief there, do you have any data and calculations to back it up?

>>8469662
Godd job posting the fake time cover, are you sure it's not the global warming denialists that are gullible sheep?
http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/sorry-a-time-magazine-cover-did-not-predict-a-coming-ice-age/

>>8469873
And how exactly would you look for evidence against climate change? Oh right, the very same way you would look for evidence supporting it, you dumb shit, because there is no direct way of proving a negative.

[Anonymous No.8469887]

>>8469629
>So I'm so glad you smug global warming fags and treehuggers got eternally BTFO

I'll be having the last laugh when your country is overrun by refugees from shitty 3rd world nations

[Anonymous No.8469889]

>>8469873
>but they can't afford to look for it

Look for what? Negative evidence?

[Anonymous No.8469890]

>>8469887
>I'll be having the last laugh when your country is overrun by refugees from shitty 3rd world nations

No way, José! Trump will protect us from the Mudslimes!

[Anonymous No.8469891]

>>8469873
this can't be real

[Anonymous No.8469894]

>>8469629
Honestly most people don't know jackshit about global warming and are only going by the scientific consensus. So you're just as ignorant (perhaps more ignorant than the """conspiracy""" theorists who do lots of research even if incomplete and biased)

[Anonymous No.8469897]

>>8469890

Damn, I forgot about that guy

[Anonymous No.8469898]

>>8469868
And the sky's blue. What's your fucking point?

[Anonymous No.8469914]

The consensus is not important. Individual scientists may have their pet theories or individual opinions that are not in line with the evidence.

This is why instead we create scientific institutions which together agree on what's happening. They are groups of scientists, not individuals so pet theories and opinions get smothed over by overall scientific understanding.

So I challenge you, instead of talking about consensus, talk instead of institutions and name one. Go ahead, name one single scientific body that does not support man made climate change.

[Anonymous No.8469916]

>go to /his/
>/pol/tard threads about jewish conspiracies

>go to /sci/
>/pol/tard threads about climate change

>go to /int/
>/pol/ 2.0

Has there ever been a more cancerous board? Remember how 4chan used to be able to discuss somewhat intelligently before stormfags arrived?

[Anonymous No.8469920]

>>8469880
It's not fake

[Anonymous No.8469924]

>>8469880
>fake TIME cover

Yeah um NO.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html

[Anonymous No.8469932]

>>8469880
God.. It's cancerous elitists like you with the "I know know more than you because I'm intelligent" attitude, who convince people that global warming is a hoax

[Anonymous No.8469938]

>>8469924
>>8469920
Not him, but you clearly didn't read the article linked in >>8469880

>>8469932
>people basing their beliefs overridingly on their insecurities
>anyone else's fault but their own
wew

[Anonymous No.8469948]

Science is always like that
>Look X is true because Y
>No look at Z it says X isn't true cause B
>But B isn't a proper proof and if you know science Y makes way more sense B is very likely made up bullshit
>But B is true and I don't know science
>Just shut up 97% of scientists that know science agree with X

[Anonymous No.8469955]

>>8469898
that person claimed sci-hub is a replacement to the classical publication channels, while it only gives free access.

[Anonymous No.8469959]

>>8469880
>And how exactly would you look for evidence against climate change? Oh right, the very same way you would look for evidence supporting it, you dumb shit, because there is no direct way of proving a negative.

No.

You test a theory by trying to falsify it. If it doesn't work, you succeeded in showing another experiment that didn't disprove that theory.

Anyway this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42QuXLucH3Q applies to climate science more than anything right now.

[Anonymous No.8469962]

>>8469959
2:17 is where you want to start watching btw, it exposes the problem clearly with publications as they currently work.

[Anonymous No.8469971]

Literally the only argument there is for global warming is "muh consensus." The belief in anthropocentric climate change is 100% based on authority, not science. These are the same people that would have had you hanged for saying the Earth revolves around the sun because "the scientific consensus.'

[Anonymous No.8469979]

>>8469955
>that person claimed sci-hub is a replacement to the classical publication channels
No he didn't. He was responding to the complaint that all the papers are behind paywalls.

[Anonymous No.8469985]

>>8469979
ok, I didn't understand it that way

[Anonymous No.8469988]

>>8469866
They get plenty of attention. They get debunked by real scientists. The awful quality of work by people who believe AGW isn't real despite the evidence does not somehow show that real evidence against it would be ignored. That's like saying evolution isn't a science because no one will publish intelligent design papers.

[Anonymous No.8470002]

>>8469873
Do you understand the legions of firms who would be willing to fund a scientifically rigorous paper which disqualifies human activity as the primary source global warming? This is quite literally the wet-dream exxon mobil and related oil firms. The scientist(s) who can prove the latter, will be showered in grant money from every conceivable agent of the global free-market. Your argument that legitimate denial-science has no willing investors is vacant of any reason. It is not a lack of funding that de-incentivises papers against human-caused climate change, it is that the evidence for it is absent, and does not exist.

[Anonymous No.8470037]

>>8470002
I'm just raising concern at the way this issue is treated, I'm not taking positions since I don't have much expertise in climate science.

I'm just saying scientists are reluctant to investigate the other side because of how well established they think this is, and governments might not give proper funding or incentive to investigate it for the same reason.

[Anonymous No.8470047]

>>8469916

No, you're thinking of reddit.

Faggot.

[Anonymous No.8470059]

>>8469962
>You test a theory by trying to falsify it.
That doesn't respond to the point. You falsify a theory by failing to find support for it or finding evidence that could not be true if the theory was true. Scientists did not come up with AGW and then look for evidence for it, they collected data about the climate and then figured out a theory that explains that data.

>it exposes the problem clearly with publications as they currently work.
There aren't thousands of hypotheses in climate science. The theories underlying AGW have been tested in many different ways and are all supported by many different sources of data and theory. Every single part of AGW has been reproduced again and again and again. The video is talking about theories that fail to be reproduced or supported by further research, that's how we know they're wrong.

[Anonymous No.8470063]

>>8469971
>Literally the only argument there is for global warming is "muh consensus."
Yeah it's not like there are entire textbooks devoted to explaining how AGW works and the evidence for it. They just say "consensus" over and over again.

Wew lad

[Anonymous No.8470070]

>>8470037
Wouldn't as much blame, if not more, rest at the feet of partisans against AGW who publish flawed research and taint the real skeptics by association? There are real skeptics by the way who get funding and publish respected papers. They simply have failed to form a better theory.

[Anonymous No.8470076]

>>8469988

What a shitty argument. Being shunned for being in disagreement with the 97% is not the same thing as being debunked. You can't debunk climate science because it's all data manipulation without any true experimentation or falsifiability.

[Anonymous No.8470086]

>>8470076
>What a shitty argument. Being shunned for being in disagreement with the 97% is not the same thing as being debunked.
They are debunked though. So your counterargument fails as it is simply a strawman.

>You can't debunk climate science because it's all data manipulation without any true experimentation or falsifiability.
There are several ways to falsify AGW. Show that the greenhouse gas effect isn't real. Show that CO2 is not increasing. Show that global temps are not increasing. Show that the infrared spectra from CO2 is significantly lower than previous experiments have shown.

The ideas that climatology is not based on experimentation, that statistical techniques cannot be debunked, and that it's not falsifiable are all monstrous lies. You are incapable of touching on any real argument involved in the science so you resort to these broad statements. There is not a single argument against the actual science in this thread, just emotional and political puffery. You're an imbecile.

[Anonymous No.8470098]

>>8469629
>Baiting this hard

[Anonymous No.8470099]

>>8469971
>Literally the only argument there is for global warming is "muh consensus." The belief in anthropocentric climate change is 100% based on authority, not science.

I guess creationists have a point when they say evolution is fake and Earth isn't billions of years old.

[Anonymous No.8470101]

>>8469916
>Go to /pol/
>Nothing but the same 5 shit post threads day in and day out

[Anonymous No.8470104]

>>8469662
Go the fuck back to pol and stay there you fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.8470106]

>>8469629

It's really sad that laws of physics don't care about how people vote or what they believe, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.8470107]

>>8469916
>Remember how 4chan used to be able to discuss somewhat intelligently before stormfags arrived?

Nope.

[Anonymous No.8470111]

>>8469971
Literally the only argument that ever works with authoritarian idiots like you is muh consensus. You and people like you don't actually care about any other reasons unless they agree with you, and then you'll stick to them no matter how incoherent they are. This is one of the sturdiest findings in psychology but you'll ignore it because it doesn't have anything nice to say about you. Nobody expects to convince you of anything. The only reason to waste time on people like you is to steer other susceptible minds away.

[Anonymous No.8470114]

>>8469629
Is there even a shred of evidence for manmade global warming?

[Anonymous No.8470116]

>>8470114
There are mountains of it.

In some cases, actual fucking mountains.

[Anonymous No.8470121]

>>8470116
Can you show a few that proves if mankind stops their contribution to CO2 emission, the globe will stop heating? I'm also expecting an answer to how with zero manmade CO2 emission the ice age ended and all the polar caps melted drastically.

[Anonymous No.8470123]

>>8470086
I appreciate the effort but show /pol the door instead of replying.

[Anonymous No.8470124]

>>8470123
too bad this entire board is """""/pol/""""" since nobody wants to buy your bullshit with no proof :(

[Anonymous No.8470129]

>>8470124
Only mathematics have proof.

[Anonymous No.8470131]

>>8470124

This entire board is telling you to fuck off. There is a place to discuss batshit insane conspiracy theories and its not here.

[Anonymous No.8470132]

>>8470131
>this entire board is /pol/
>this entire board is telling you to fuck off

But you're right. Nutjob conspiracy theories like AGW meme belongs to >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.8470135]

>>8470121
Milankovitch Cycles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

Current warming is not being caused by Milankovitch Cycles.

Other things that can alter the climate:

Relative position of the continents. Such as when Australia broke off from Antarctica thus creating the Antarctic Circumpolar Current (the world's strongest current) plunging the entire world into an ice age.

Relative positions of the continents have not changed in millions of years.

Solar Output. Which we've monitored by satellite for decades. Current warming is not caused by solar output.

Aerosols: Aerosols are mostly responsible for cooling the planet and come from forest fires, volcanic eruptions, meteor impacts and industrial output.

Current warming is not caused by aerosols.

CO2. CO2 is well correlated to global climate. Increases in CO2 in the atmosphere have a direct link to global temperature and explain things such as Snowball Earth and Hothouse Earth and how we got out of those cycles.

Current warming is well correlated to industrial CO2 output. Arguing against it is anti intellectual, unscientific, uneducated garbage.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/outreach/isotopes/stable.html

[Anonymous No.8470137]

>>8470132

Well, I didn't start the thread here, did I? Feel free discuss laws of physics being "BTFO" on >>>/x/ if you like.

[Anonymous No.8470140]

>>8470135
>Doesn't know what evidence even means
Also correlation isn't causation. You don't belong belong to /sci/ with your church of AGW worshipping if you don't know basic scientific terms

Back to your nutjob containment board >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.8470145]

>>8470135
>x is not because of y coz I say so not because I presented the evidence for it.
>this has some vague unproven correlation so its science

Oh look. Correlation here too. If someone doesn't believe in global warming with mountains of evidence liek this, they are truly hopeless. God bless their souls.

[Anonymous No.8470175]

>>8470145
Wow, wow, if only there was a theory about how CO2 causes warming. Well, I guess there isn't. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Anonymous No.8470179]

>>8470175
CO2 does cause some warming. I hope you didn't think your job was over just because you proved that.

[Anonymous No.8470180]

>>8470132
fuck off to /pol/ unsupervised child

[Anonymous No.8470181]

>>8470140
>>8470145
Educating you people is absolutely impossible. Carbon isotopes IS the evidence.

As I posted in the other thread.
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~eps5/lectures_2010_F/lectures_3-4_radiation_2010_F_update.pdf

That's the science behind it.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/outreach/isotopes/stable.html

Is again the proof. Want more? Instead of explaining the evidence, here's the actual sites presenting it for you to personally review:

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/modern_isotopes.html

If you still deny man made climate change you either refuse to read it, removed part of your brain, or lied.

[Anonymous No.8470183]

>>8470179
Then why invoke false causation?

[Anonymous No.8470191]

>>8470183
Because causation was the only card you had on the table while ignoring the millions of variables that causes temperature shifts and their globally recorded evidence that goes with how none of them caused and warming. proving CO2 causes warming is the very first step towards your 5000 step goal.

[Anonymous No.8470195]

>>8470181
See >>8470111

You are trying to reason with people who only pretending to reason. Read Bob Altemeyer. It's hard to accept at first but after a few years the reality becomes undeniable. "Fuck off to /pol/" is as effective at persuading them as anything else and it's a lot easier.

[Anonymous No.8470196]

>>8469971
>The belief in anthropocentric climate change is 100% based on authority, not science.

>GLUB GLUB GLUB

[Anonymous No.8470199]

>>8470195
>im shitposting like SJW
>why is everyone calling me a SJWtard? I bet all of you are /pol/ !!!11!!

yawn

[Anonymous No.8470200]

>>8469629
post yfw people believe a tv show host with baseless conspiracy theories over scientists with thousands of studies done on the issue

[Anonymous No.8470204]

>>8470199
>words I don't care about

Fuck off to /pol/ moron

[Anonymous No.8470206]

>>8470200
I know. /x/tards believe every kind of unproven garbage from haarp to aliens. Them believing in global warming shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
You're just gonna have to get used to them.

[Anonymous No.8470211]

>>8470204
>let me invade this board in peace
SJWtards don't get to call out /sci/tizens newfag. You should go back to /pol/ to continue getting humiliated.

[Anonymous No.8470215]

>>8470191
They weren't ignored though. There are many other variables that affect the climate and they have all been studied and cannot account for the warming trend. If I'm mistaken then show me something that has been ignored by climatologists.

You keep coming up with these ridiculous caricatures of climatology. First you said it's all correlation, now you're saying it's all just a single causation. You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop posting.

[Anonymous No.8470216]

>>8470200
>conspiracy theories over scientists
Science stands on its own and if it satisfies a demand is applied. Their theory of AGW is a new age religion masquerading as a science, the climate scientist is a priest of climate doom or out of work. The prophecies of climate doom can only be proven over time and they have failed so far in hindsight yet the AGW cult rolls ahead with its taxation schemes.

It's really a first for "science" to be used solely for the justification of a tax that is trying to be global in scope. When you consider the tax is based on carbon, and we are carbon based life forms one can only conclude it is in fact a large fraud perpetrated by elements which seek nothing other than to control life on earth. Everyone wants to rule the world, why this is so hard to believe by some is a mystery to me. Read more fucking history.

[Anonymous No.8470218]

>>8470206

Gee I wonder who could go the fuck back you aren't fooling anyone

[Anonymous No.8470221]

>>8470216
>It's a communist plot to sap and impurify my precious bodily carbon!

Are you for real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAHJCPoWCC8

[Anonymous No.8470222]

>>8470211
>tries the ol' insider pose
>can't stop calling people SJW

You clowns are not subtle

[Anonymous No.8470224]

>>8470215
I told you 5000 times, I don't care about your evasive posts, I want to see your evidence.

I'd like to see your recordings of every known source of temperature shifts that are dated on a global scale. Not just America, I want to see your records on china, australia, middle east, india, japan, and all their contributions listed by subcategories. Then we can start talking.

[Anonymous No.8470225]

>>8470222
>SJWtard is getting nervous for being exposed.
Isn't it time you kill yourself for being 100% wrong at everything ?

[Anonymous No.8470228]

>>8470224

I've seen this act before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEQxYnrqxQM

[Anonymous No.8470231]

>>8470228
>anyone who expects evidence from me is some irrelevant label ill throw out
It was a much worse copout than I expected. You're doing a horrible job sperging your retarded church of AGW. Your /x/tard friends will be furious with you.

[Anonymous No.8470234]

>>8470224
>I told you 5000 times, I don't care about your evasive posts, I want to see your evidence.
I think you're hallucinating again. Where did you ask me for evidence? The fact is, you're the one who has avoided talking about the science this entire thread with your idiotic rhetoric. Here you go, loser:

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/

[Anonymous No.8470243]

>>8470231
Explain in grown up words why the evidence already given in this thread is not adequate. Quote the texts when you explain your disagreement or we'll know you didn't read them. Quote other sources when you introduce claims or we'll know you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.8470247]

>>8469932
>getting mad at smug people who have lazy brains and post shit arguments/no arguments all is considered elitism now

[Anonymous No.8470260]

>>8470221
Well I don't know what Kubrick would have thought of it but if you seriously think the AGW cult wants you locked down into a carbon rationing scheme to save the planet from climate doom you are extremely naive.

Try attacking the argument next time.

[Anonymous No.8470264]

>>8470047

Fuck off, you disgusting stormfaggot

[Anonymous No.8470268]

>this guy

[Anonymous No.8470270]

>>8470140
Different anon.

Quit treating climate science like a soft science. What makes you think climatologists haven't taken steps to determine the cause of global warming? You're seriously going to argue based on how >>8470135 worded his reply (i.e., saying "correlated")?

[Anonymous No.8470271]

>>8469916
>go to /int/
>/pol/ 2.0

That's literally not true


For the most part

[Anonymous No.8470274]

>>8470243
>wheres your evidence
>hurrr heres some creationist asking for evidence

is this bait ?

[Anonymous No.8470276]

Dude, just take your pills already lmao

[Anonymous No.8470279]

>>8469916
>everything i dont like is pol
exemplary shitpost why SJWtards have to be banned no sight

[Anonymous No.8470280]

>>8470260
>if you guys want to say anything, you need to give me the hard science in layman' terms
>but muh global conspiracy is totally real, trust me

There are other boards for this

[Anonymous No.8470283]

>>8470224
Why would this assload of minutiae be relevant evidence? Learn how to write a crit paper you underage faggot

[Anonymous No.8470287]

>>8470279
The pot calls the kettle black. News at 11.

[Anonymous No.8470289]

>>8470260
Conspiracy theories with no evidence are not arguments. The same shallow rhetoric could be applied to literally any scientific fact.

Hypocritically you claim I haven't attacked the argument when you haven't attacked the science. This is the science board, not the tinfoil conspiracy nutjob board.

[Anonymous No.8470290]

>>8470274
There are lots of links in this thread that people have given to you because you asked. The fact that you refuse to address them before asking for more shows that you have no genuine interest in evidence or arguments.

[Anonymous No.8470291]

>>8470280
It's not even a conspiracy theory, it's a blatant scientific fraud sitting there in plain sight.
The only science the AGW cult offers up is climate doom predictions from their computers which apparently take account of every CO2 molecule on the planet and their effect on climate which on the face of it is laughable however this was immediately used to justify a carbon tax. Please explain yourself cultist!

[Anonymous No.8470292]

>>8470290
please learn to read. you're on a science board.

[Anonymous No.8470293]

>>8470274
>Where's the evidence?
>Here's the evidence
>*ignores that post and replies to other posts*
>Where's the evidence?
Yup you're just like that creationist.

[Anonymous No.8470294]

>>8470291
>It's not even a conspiracy theory!
>proceeds to blubber on about the conspiracy for the 500th time

[Anonymous No.8470295]

>>8470037
Did you even read my response, anon? They [climate scientists] don't need government subsidisation in order to carry out the studies you're highlighting. I used to work for Opel when I lived in Germany; we always had a dedicated 'round-table' of investors providing assistance fiscally to any of our projects:

Research into decreasing knocking in the CE fuel chamber? paid for. Increasing fuel-efficiency? not a problem. Keeping the anti-freezing agent at a lower pressure relative to the engine coolant? Don't even ask - money was already on the table.

Scientists are not reluctant to research ANYTHING - this is a statement which holds true for any scientific frontier. This whole argument, rooted in frothing-at-the-mouth ignorance, is a smokescreen which right-wing vermin always throw around.

The government is not the benefactor of scientific research, or any scholarly research for that matter - It is, in almost 80% of cases, a private body such as a corporation or academy (such as a university) which funds papers.

[Anonymous No.8470296]

>>8470291

You do realize that the first prediction of man-made global warming is decades older than the first computers, right?

[Anonymous No.8470297]

>>8470291
P r o v e _ a n y _ o f _ t h i s

Substantiate literally even one claim

Do it or go back

[Anonymous No.8470298]

>>8470293
You didn't even point the """evidence""" you were asked, you just posted the creationist video and you keep parroting the same shit like you presented anything scientific at all.

AGWtards are worse than creationists I swear. No wonder why the pope is behind you on this.

[Anonymous No.8470299]

>>8470291
>which apparently take account of every CO2 molecule

Wew lad.

[Anonymous No.8470300]

>>8470271
>literally not true
as apposed to metaphorically

[Anonymous No.8470301]

>>8470298
The pope is behind us on this because he, too, is a scientist. He's not behind us as a catholic, he's behind us as a scientist. Good luck wrapping your brain around that one.

[Anonymous No.8470302]

>>8470301
>my faith is my science
>my evasions are my evidence
AGWtard logic everybody.

[Anonymous No.8470303]

>>8470298
>You didn't even point the """evidence""" you were asked, you just posted the creationist video
No I didn't, I posted the link to AR5 which you continue to ignore. You arrogant shithead.

[Anonymous No.8470304]

>>8470302
I literally did not imply either of those things. Nice strawman.

[Anonymous No.8470307]

What a lovely discussion, oh my.

[Anonymous No.8470308]

>>8470298

The Pope isn't a creationist, unlike the majority of those who deny AGW

[Anonymous No.8470309]

>>8470298
>>8470243 isn't whoever you think it is and you should read more closely before responding.

[Anonymous No.8470310]

>>8470303
Okay fine, I ignored it because I cant understand half of it. Post something I can understand and I'll refute that.

[Anonymous No.8470311]

>>8470304
pope and your fellow nutjobs want you back
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.8470312]

>>8470311
>Posts about conspiracy theories
>Tells people to go to >>>/x/
/pol/ logic, everyone.

[Anonymous No.8470313]

>>8470298
the pope is an engineer

[Anonymous No.8470314]

>>8470303
>i posted the link to none of the things you asked
We know...

[Anonymous No.8470315]

>>8470310
Ladies and gentleman, I present the AGW denier.

[Anonymous No.8470316]

>>8470311
Substantiate any one claim or go.

[Anonymous No.8470318]

>>8470310

This is some serious trolling right here

[Anonymous No.8470320]

>>8470291
>The only science the AGW cult offers up is climate doom predictions from their computers which apparently take account of every CO2 molecule on the planet and their effect on climate which on the face of it is laughable however this was immediately used to justify a carbon tax. Please explain yourself cultist!

With that standard of evidence is it becomes impossible for science to demonstrate anything. Nothing fits. You could use it to refute anything from AIDS to gravity.

[Anonymous No.8470321]

>>8470310
>give me hard stuff
>but make it easy

How about you go fuck yourself and I make breakfast

[Anonymous No.8470322]

>>8470316
I don't have the time or crayons to explain you what an 8th grader can understand. Learn to read, then re-read what I asked you.

>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.8470323]

>>8469916
>Has there ever been a more cancerous board?
no, no there hasn't

[Anonymous No.8470325]

>>8470300
underrated kek

[Anonymous No.8470327]

>>8470322
Lotta condescension from someone who can't even skim an abstract for talking points

[Anonymous No.8470334]

>>8470327
sorry, shitposting is NOT evidence :(

[Anonymous No.8470341]

>all kinds of shitposts
>not a single piece of evidence on AGW

case closed

[Anonymous No.8470343]

>>8470341
>doesn't know how to search a webpage

[Anonymous No.8470356]

>>8470296
Global cooling was propagandized soon after the ozone hole fraud - almost in preparation and a story in itself - was perpetrated in the early 70's and was spawned in the Club of Rome.

Ironically, all science in the geological record points to a cooling planet over geological time so they in theory had it right the first time. This was then changed to global warming and of course more recently to predictable cover all bases climate change. Yes we know climate changes but then suddenly the jump to mankind is responsible for this change and in turn must be taxed for it? wtf is wrong with you people lol.

Hey, I have no problem with trying to "fix" the planet and do my part but this meme must be deconstructed and all of its fallacies examined in detail as we try to do with any religion today, for the sake of the children! Religion, old or new age has been the real scourge of humanity from the get go.

>>8470301
Well this is actually what confirmed it for me. Run to these people to save you? Wew! good luck with that!

[Anonymous No.8470363]

>>8470356

Wait a minute, the conspiracy is behind global cooling, too? What did they want to tax? Which of our bodily fluids were they after?

[Anonymous No.8470372]

>>8470356
>all science points to

S o u r c e s

[Anonymous No.8470376]

>>8469629
I'm with the 3%

[Anonymous No.8470378]

>>8470356
>ozone hole fraud

[Anonymous No.8470381]

Disappointed to see so called /sci/entists that can't think for themselves. Yes believe in everything the media tells you. No need to use critical thinking.

[Anonymous No.8470384]

>>8470381
yeah, big surprise, science doesn't work by indulging conspiratard "alternative thinking" and "open minded" theories

[Anonymous No.8470392]

>>8470384
This. If actors who get paid to read scripts and your pope tells you something, you follow it. Anyone who doesn't jump into the bandwagon is an infidel.

[Anonymous No.8470393]

>>8470381

If we're so disappointing, fuck off to the Natural Philosphers' Alliance, the Flat Earth society, /x/ or any other of the many lovely containment boards that Web God built for people like you

[Anonymous No.8470394]

Ain't it funny how these warmist cultists assert that warming will make more extreme weather, while we can see weather is getting LESS extreme?

[Anonymous No.8470400]

>>8470314
>asks for evidence
>given evidence
>that's not what I asked for!
Typical creationist.

[Anonymous No.8470403]

>>8470400
>devoted cultist trying to defame opponent by calling him creationist
ironic...

[Anonymous No.8470412]

>>8470403
> no, I don't have any excuse for being this stupid

[Anonymous No.8470420]

>>8470314
Stop baiting you bottom-of-the-barrel pol vermin

[Anonymous No.8470423]

>>8470412
sorry for dissing your cult

[Anonymous No.8470428]

>>8469629
Hopefully run away global warming kills us all and wipes all life from the face of this shitty planet.

[Anonymous No.8470432]

>>8469629
He really said that? I never took the God Emperor to be anti-science.

[Anonymous No.8470433]

>>8470428
Surely we can all agree with that

[Anonymous No.8470437]

>>8470432
Commercial bait is awful, use a can of worms

[Anonymous No.8470443]

>>8470432
It's a little disappointing. This is the only position where I disagree with him.

[Anonymous No.8470446]

>>8470392
>No need to use critical thinking.

Yeah, you're definitely showing that.

[Anonymous No.8470449]

>>8470381
>No need to use critical thinking.

Yeah, you're definitely showing that.

[Anonymous No.8470459]

>>8469916
u kno stormfags have always been on 4chan lol

[Anonymous No.8470460]

>>8470298
Isn't it amazing how even someone as anti-scientific and irrational as the pope can't dismiss the factual correctness of global warming? You're literally on par with flat earthers.

[Anonymous No.8470465]

>>8469662

> muh polar bear on an iceberg

I keked

[Anonymous No.8470468]

>>8469916
It's only going to get worse unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.8470471]

>>8470460
So AGWtards views align with the pope? Good to know your delusional state of mind is backed up by your religious "science".
Can't say I'm surprsied why nobody believes in your lost cause though. AGW meme is just tired and boring now.

[Anonymous No.8470472]

>>8469870
> >we're the only ones with valid OPINION
> sounds like scientology to me

you clearly haven't read his comment. it's not a matter of opinion, that's why you're wrong and look like a retard. it's sounds like scientology to you? Oh boy, why are you even on a science board?!

[Anonymous No.8470474]

>>8470313

> I would not characterize Pope Francis as an engineer. He did earn a chemical technician's diploma from a technically-oriented high school, and worked for a time as a laboratory technician. But his post-secondary education was more focused on theology.

how do you get "engineer" from that?

[Anonymous No.8470475]

>>8469629
Yet another thread where cultists got BTFO hard.

[Anonymous No.8470479]

>>8470393
At least we have proofs the the earth is round, while climate scientists have no proofs that we're causing global warming. At this point man made climate change is fucking pseudoscience.

[Anonymous No.8470481]

>>8470479
Is that why AGW cult denies that the earth is round?

[Anonymous No.8470484]

>>8469629
Not the Chinese, it's from the ClubOfRome/IronMountain 'manufacture and sale of a fictitious enemy'.

[Anonymous No.8470488]

>>8470471
>everything the pope agrees with is wrong

Sorry that unlike you I don't have the extra chromosome needed to align with that logic :^)

[Anonymous No.8470490]

>>8470488
You're confused, I'm not involved in your cult. You're the one with the popes blessing ;)

[Anonymous No.8470495]

>>8470479
bullshit! the green house effect is ez fucking physics. You probably think the atmosphere is a couple houndred kilometers thick or some shit.

we effected it the 80's and agreed on it easy with the chemical ban. why would it be different? why would you believe monetarily motivated companies over the sciencific community, despite the facts being against you? WTF DUDE.
IT'S SO CLEAR that we're causing climate change!
you people are nearly as retarded as holocaust deniers or flat earthers. it's legit pathetic. holy shit!

[Anonymous No.8470497]

>>8470481
Faggot I said I believe that the earth is round because we have proofs. Even the ancients Greeks could do it. Now show me proofs that the climate change is man made.

[Anonymous No.8470502]

>>8470474
The credibility of any Jesuit is always in question, by virtue of their order they deceive and the only reason they exist is to concentrate power back into the Vatican since the Reformation. There are rumors he was really just a child trafficker before his promotion to white pope to replace in infamous Nazi Pope. Some blatant deception is by order of his vows he has pledged obedience to the Jesuit General or black pope. When an organization like this jumps onto the AGW meme it really doesn't lend that meme one once of credibility and in fact the opposite. Machiavellian to the core and very political.

[Anonymous No.8470503]

>>8470490
>your cult.

You made me part of your paranoid delusions? I'm flattered.

[Anonymous No.8470504]

>>8470495
Because there are no companies profiting from global warmth Cough tesla cough

[Anonymous No.8470511]

>>8470479

The greenhouse effect is old news to most children who learn it in grade school.

[Anonymous No.8470515]

>>8470511
Funny how /pol/ has less education than a grade-schooler.

[Anonymous No.8470516]

>>8470503
Indeed. Come to >>>/x/ and join our secret cult where we talk about ufos, global warming and reptilians. We even mailed the Pope to do an AMA with us :D

[Anonymous No.8470518]

>>8470504
how do they profit from climate change?

plus, that's 1 you're naming. put that against coal and oil companies before posting.

>>8470497
>i can't use google
http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm

[Anonymous No.8470519]

>>8470504
This.

Green technology like Tesla is going to be so lucrative in the coming years and USA is falling behind China and even Europe.

We need to be the leaders in green energy or else we'll be playing catchup.

[Anonymous No.8470521]

>>8470515
Did pol say nasty things to your cult? :(

[Anonymous No.8470526]

>>8470504
Tesla profits from the rising prices of gas more than anything.

[Anonymous No.8470532]

>>8470518
>what is carbon taxation

[Anonymous No.8470534]

>>8470511
Now prove that we're responsible for the climate change. All you fags say is go back to /pol/ or /x/, but when someone asks you to prove it you don't do it. Really scientific from you guys. But I can I expect from high schoolers and undergrads in shitty sciences.

[Anonymous No.8470536]

>>8470511
Is it part of the curriculum nowadays? That's great news if true, maybe the next generation won't be so indecisive about solving climate change.

[Anonymous No.8470538]

>>8470534
Only creationists ask for evidence faggot. Not that we disrespect creationists or anything. Stop asking questions and join our cult already.

[Anonymous No.8470539]

>>8470532
Why are you going to tax people for posessing carbon? We're all made of like 101% carbon :V

[Anonymous No.8470541]

>>8470516
I know it's very hard for you to differentiate fantasy and reality right now, but try to understand your doctor gets very upset when you don't take your meds.

[Anonymous No.8470543]

>>8469629
It's not about being fucked at this point, we know we're fucked, it's about being less fucked.

It's the difference between getting raped in the ass or getting raped in the ass by someone with HIV/AIDS

[Anonymous No.8470547]

>>8470534
>doesn't take long to look up the evidence
"no,no, no, YOU have to personally explain it to me otherwise i won't believe anything :>"

no.

[Anonymous No.8470551]

>>8470539
>that one cheeky post that breaks the shitstorm combo

[Anonymous No.8470553]

>>8470547
More like
>no,no, no, YOU have to personally explain it to me so I can ignore it

[Anonymous No.8470557]

>>8470534
>the greenhouse effect causes heat
>carbon dioxide causes the greenhouse effect
>humans cause carbon dioxide

>humans cause heat

Literally proven in the most classical form of proof using concepts you just acknowledged. Happy? Good. No? Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.8470561]

>>8470526
>>8470504
again, tesla is your ONE counter argument against decades of oil companies wanting to protect their profits.
and now that some countries start to adapt already "it's their ploy to steal our profits"? no!

climate change has been debated well before carbon tax and tesla (see chemical ban 1985)

[Anonymous No.8470568]

>>8470553
kek, yeah i know man. i'm triggered so hard right now.

[Anonymous No.8470573]

It's amazing that scientists can pinpoint drastic changes in climate to human carbon emissions.

Science has come really far.

[Anonymous No.8470574]

>>8470561
Hey man I was making a point that Tesla doesn't benefit from climate change any more than it benefits from the rising prices of gas, which has little to do with the climate and all to do with the increasing difficulty to acquire petroleum. Green companies can exploit new markets when resources start to dwindle in old ones. Retards can keep denying climate change all they want, doesn't change the fact that we're going to run out of easy, worthwhile gas exploitation sites at some point.

[Anonymous No.8470576]

>>8470518
How do I profit from climate change? I don't know, buying electric cars instead of the regular ones, start using hydraulic wind solar and nuclear energy and paying those companies for that. Go back to economy 101.
About the article the graphs had no source, anyone could draw that and I'm supposed to believe that? That's with non exact sciences like biology, climate science etc you're forced to accept their results unless you rich as fuck to have your own lab. For example with physics I can check the maths of for example relativity and see if it is consistent. That's why its easy to disapprove pop sci fags. If the theory is mathematically consistent you can start testing it and check if it predicts what you're expecting, although In quantum mechanics you have to take the word of the cern guys that the Higgs boson exists, though it's mathematically consistent.

[Anonymous No.8470581]

>>8470557
Yeah because our cars and cows farts contribute to the greenhouse effect. Cows can now change the global climate.

[Anonymous No.8470588]

>>8470576
even before that though, investing in electric cars and solar was not profitable compared to mining and such, so why would that have motivated them?

>the graph could be lies
..you want to calculate that shit for your self? alright then, look up the numbers of annual carbon emissions world wide and the amout that nature can absorb. or search for actual research papers. i'm sure you'll find the sources if you look and don't stop at: "it could be lies, so i better believe the oposition"

[Anonymous No.8470594]

>>8470581
Nah. Methane from ruminant digestion doesn't really give a net increase unlike fossil carbon.

[Anonymous No.8470595]

>>8470581
Yes, that's indeed the case. Are you trying to make a case ?

We already know organisms can change the global climate through biological processes, we're breathing air created that way.

[Anonymous No.8470596]

China has really smartened up about climate change and they are taking serious steps in addressing it.

Meanwhile the US takes 5 steps back.

[Anonymous No.8470599]

>>8470581
Fuck you it is

[Anonymous No.8470601]

>>8470599
great argumentation there, sonny.

[Anonymous No.8470603]

>>8470595
That took millions of years, not some 200 years

[Anonymous No.8470606]

>>8470599
Nice ad hominem faggot.

[Anonymous No.8470609]

>>8470588
The oil market is saturated. They had to looks for other ways to make money.

[Anonymous No.8470611]

>>8469629
I used to not believe in climate change neither until my environmental science friend explained it to me (I did fight back for a while).

Hopefully one of Trump's advisors can do the same and teach him the science behind it.

[Anonymous No.8470620]

>>8470606
Nah, it would be ad hominem if I called you a bottom feeding shitsucker but I would never do that to you

[Anonymous No.8470624]

>>8470620
And this is why /sci/ is shit nowadays since edgy teenagers are allowed to post.

[Anonymous No.8470627]

>>8470609
>the market was saturated, they had to create a global hoax
pls think.
i'm done

scienceboard my ass

[Anonymous No.8470630]

>believing anyone in the field of climatology, a field that was set up and funded in order to come to a very specific conclusion that would justify various dumb fucking socialist programs

[Anonymous No.8470633]

>>8470630
show me your evidence

[Anonymous No.8470636]

>>8470630

I still have no idea why people come to a science board with conspiracy theories expecting that people will just accept that instead of a scientific argument.

[Anonymous No.8470642]

>>8470636
Scamming is not a conspiracy. It's a business. It's as much conspiracy as claiming sales calls are a conspiracy to sell you shit you don't really need.

[Anonymous No.8470645]

>>8470642
a global hoax, invented manipulated science, organised diseption for political gain

is conspiracy.
and would know that if you'd stopped to think for a minute.

[Anonymous No.8470648]

>>8470642

You know, if all the businesses across the world collaborated to sell you the same product you don't need I'd call it a conspiracy too.

[Anonymous No.8470653]

>>8470378
I don't think there was an irregular hole in the ozone, it was all just preparation and conditioning for the masses, that a global effort to fix a non-existent problem with the atmosphere could be fixed with a global bureaucracy. If you dig deeper you will find DuPont was about to lose its patent on CFC's which are a harmless compound previously used in refrigeration systems. The logic was by denying this to the emerging third world the powers that be could possibly keep human populations at a reasonable level - we are top predator monkeys after all. This apparently didn't serve its intended purpose but the conditioning for more of the same sure helped. In any case, the guy who "discovered" the ozone holy - a corporate 'scientist' from DuPont went on to discover the supposed climate problem caused by man and from there the wheels of the propaganda machine began to churn relentlessly.

The problem with these frauds is they are tainting real science. They are driven by fascist interests to control little people while enriching these bloated parasitic apes at the top. I don't hold it against new age climate scientists, hey everyone has to put food on the table and like some priests they may actually believe they are doing good for the benefit of mankind but that's just economic rationalization in the end. The world is a business Mr. Beale.

[Anonymous No.8470655]

>/pol/-tards BTFO...yet again

it literally happens every single time. stop fucking coming here stormfags

[Anonymous No.8470659]

>>8470645
Government sperging some bullshit to tax the companies and people is far from conspiracy, it's what a government does.

[Anonymous No.8470661]

>>8470653
This. Most of this fucking board believes all the scientists are good hearted people that have no desire of profit.

[Anonymous No.8470664]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV9w_chyuf4

[Anonymous No.8470666]

>>8470655
>I'm desperately grasping at straws and this is my final resort.
sad little man :(

[Anonymous No.8470672]

>>8469629

Climate change is humanity's most pressing issue. I really hope he changes his mind after briefing.

[Anonymous No.8470674]

>>8470666
now, present your argument

[Anonymous No.8470679]

>>8470674
>posts chart without citation
>too retarded to figure out it's worthless
first time on /sci/? Lemme warn you that this board is nothing like your AGW cult. You can't use uncited charts, pope quotes or the bible to support your bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8470686]

>>8470674
The fuck 400ppm in 2008. How the fuck am I still alive?

[Anonymous No.8470688]

>>8470679
>is presented with evidence that proves him wrong
>dismisses it because it hurts his fweewings

>>>/x/
>>>/pol/
>>>/stormfront/

[Anonymous No.8470689]

>>8470679
less insulting, more arguments! or..i dunno,is this your first time on /sci/ maybe?

[Anonymous No.8470690]

>>8470679
> pot calling the kettle black
you seem pretty new here too.
The GW deniers from /pol/ post uncited charts everyday

[Anonymous No.8470691]

heated discussion up in this thread. holy shit

[Anonymous No.8470694]

>>8470653

[Anonymous No.8470695]

Why do conservatives have a hard time grasping certain sciences like climate change and evolution?

Is it because they are more prone to be blinded by ideology or is it because they are generally lest educated than liberals?

[Anonymous No.8470703]

>>8470695
It's because it's a situation that forces them to change their attitude, something they, by their ideology's definition, aren't prepared to do. Much easier to just ignore the situation until it blows in your face and then blame something else than to accept the situation early on and adapt to it.

[Anonymous No.8470708]

>>8470653
>I don't think there was an irregular hole in the ozone, it was all just preparation and conditioning for the masses, that a global effort to fix a non-existent problem with the atmosphere could be fixed with a global bureaucracy. If you dig deeper you will find DuPont was about to lose its patent on CFC's which are a harmless compound previously used in refrigeration systems. The logic was by denying this to the emerging third world the powers that be could possibly keep human populations at a reasonable level - we are top predator monkeys after all. This apparently didn't serve its intended purpose but the conditioning for more of the same sure helped. In any case, the guy who "discovered" the ozone holy - a corporate 'scientist' from DuPont went on to discover the supposed climate problem caused by man and from there the wheels of the propaganda machine began to churn relentlessly.

Lucky for you tinfoil hats protect from UVB rays

http://www.skincancer.org/prevention/uva-and-uvb/ozone

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3664331

[Anonymous No.8470737]

>>8470679
>the ol pol you-must-be-new-here routine

Everyone can see what you are trying to do. Moreover, sometime after puberty, you will realize that false flag operations are not a normal part of social interaction and you let an anime forum cripple your interpersonal abilities.

[Anonymous No.8470739]

The problem isn't confirming whether or not man-made climate change is real. The problem is forcing countries not named China to fuck themselves up to try and stop it when they'll hardly make a dent even if said country ceases to exist immediately.
>be Canadian
>emit greenhouse gases in the single digit percentages of the total world emissions
>Trudeau wants to implement a carbon tax to help us save the world

[Anonymous No.8470744]

>>8470739

Well, you certainly have a lot of moral credibility to demand of China something you're not willing to do yourself.

[Anonymous No.8470747]

>>8470695
>droughts never happened before "global warming"
>Its not even a real lake, its an artificial RESERVOIR

[Anonymous No.8470748]

>>8470744
Good point. However, that doesn't mean we have to adopt radical policies if we're not a radical problem.

[Anonymous No.8470754]

>>8470748

Taxation isn't a radical policy. Almost every new government changes the taxes.

[Anonymous No.8470758]

>>8470624
Like yourself? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.8470772]

>>8470747
>real lake
>its an artificial RESERVOIR

Make a cogent delineation between the two other than the means by which they were brought about.

<Bonus points> if said rebuttal is completely absent of frothing-at-the-mouth ad hominems, unrelated waffling, and general pots-and-pans banging absurdity

[Anonymous No.8470927]

>>8469916
/pol/ is more or less /b/ without any weird pornography, YLYL threads, or funny stories
and /b/ was never good.

>>8470059
>Scientists did not come up with AGW and then look for evidence for it, they collected data about the climate and then figured out a theory that explains that data.
yes, and they've been collecting data ever since, and it's continued to support the theory, you newfag.

>>8470356
>all science in the geological record points to a cooling planet over geological time
you've never even looked at a graph of d18O over time, have you? never even one single graph.

[Anonymous No.8470946]

>>8470393
>containment boards
>Doesn't know what feedback loop is
>Doesn't understand memetic spread
"Containment board" was the biggest lie the Moot Jew sold us. One big reason why Mike "shock the gay away" Pence is now our supreme leader.

[Anonymous No.8470955]

>>8470946
Point