Class Action Lawsuit for Mass Infant Circumcision?

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Class Action Lawsuit for Mass Infant Circumcision? Anonymous Sun Jul 31 10:59:21 2016 No.8238725 [Reply] [Original]

I'm so upset that my genitals were mutilated when I was born by a certified professional medical doctor. It's literally genital mutilation - hey let's give every baby boy this syk body mod that makes their penises lose 90% of their sensitivity! Why is this okay?

Is a class action lawsuit viable? Who would be sued? What would the compensation be? I'm Canadian - is it worthwhile to write a letter to send members of my parliament to suggest a bill banning non medically necessary circumcisions?

We all agree that religions were invented so that the people wouldn't be raping murdering fuckers and also to establish the family unit, right? So what was the point of calling for foreskin excision? So that men wouldn't be as keen to go around fucking like crazy since their dicks feel nothing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 11:06:54 2016 No.8238738 >>8238725 >>>/adv/ Sue you parents. I agree though. It is ridiculous. Infants here get circumcision and scrotum reduction. It makes sex less feeling and lowers the sperm count due to increased heat since the testis can't lower properly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 11:10:10 2016 No.8238748 >>8238725 It doesn't decrease sensitivity. Enough with this shitty persecution complex. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23937309

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 11:13:22 2016 No.8238755

>>8238738
Adv sucks. Besides, political science is a legitimate field, right?

And man, I don't want to sue my mom - she was an ignorant signee who was coerced into it. She's not a medical professional, she shouldn't be expected to make that decision. That's like telling parents to decide at birth whether their child should have nipples. And being fed a bunch of bullshit about why nipplecision is preferable and that many people do it.

Honestly, I believe our period of history will be regarded with ridicule for our systematic infant circumcision.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 11:22:12 2016 No.8238763

>>8238748
(((ncbi)))

Yes, good goy. Trust le (((scientists))).

Seriously, all it takes is a simple logic proof:
>Mammals evolved to develop a foreskin
>Therefore the common ancestor that had a foreskin was more likely to reproduce than its competition which did not have foreskin
>Foreskin is not associated with any other factors that influence fertilization (length, girth, etc)
>The foreskinned mammal must have cum more quickly and hence been more sensitive than the non foreskinned

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 11:27:57 2016 No.8238769

>>8238763
Oh boy, here we go again. He's rejecting science on the science board. He thinks his shitty "logic" trumps empirical data. Oh wow, I've never seen this thread before.

>The foreskinned mammal must have cum more quickly and hence been more sensitive than the non foreskinned
As I just showed you, this is false. Study after study shows that removal of the foreskin has no effect on sexual function. You are just making a teleological fallacy that contradicts the evidence.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 12:21:55 2016 No.8238851
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>>8238748
>male circumcision has no adverse effect
>Impairment in one or more parameters was reported in 10 of the 13 studies rated as 2-.

so it's not significantly worse, just slightly worse in a number of noticable little ways :^)

pic related, other people have done research on this too

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 12:29:43 2016 No.8238860 >>8238851 Do you have any evidence for that ? Do you have like a real neuron distribution map within the penis ? Because the point of circumcision is to remove the parts that gets easily infected the most and keep it hygenic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 12:38:29 2016 No.8238872 >>8238851 I don't know about all this shit except the frenulum. I can tell you stimulating the frenulum feels good as fuck and I pity everyone that can't enjoy the same pleasure I do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 12:43:56 2016 No.8238885 >>8238851 >it is desirable for the penis to retain its most sensitive parts Boys cannot learn obedience and temperance if their penises are intact.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 12:45:23 2016 No.8238886 >>8238725 >>8238763 Back to /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 12:48:10 2016 No.8238891 >>8238886 muslim/jew detected. back to middle east you primitive baby mutilating caveman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 12:50:27 2016 No.8238894 >>8238851 >so it's not significantly worse, just slightly worse in a number of noticable little ways :^) What you quoted says that only the studies with major flaws claimed adverse effects. But somehow you got this bullshit out of it. Delusional.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 12:53:25 2016 No.8238898 >>8238891 >>8238763 Point and laugh

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 12:57:07 2016 No.8238902

>>8238891
>The worst part of /pol/ is the complete lack of self awareness. They think they hold some unique and controversial perspective unfamiliar to the majority of people when in reality the majority people just are politely choosing not to engage tired, old, defeated ideas.

Sure /pol/, you and you alone are redpilled. You're the special snowflake.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 12:59:08 2016 No.8238906

>>8238872
I'm a cutfag, have most of my frenulum left, but it doesn't feel any more sensitive than the rest of the head of my dick.

And it seems to me that stem cells will never deliver, and be perpetually "20 years away," just like nuclear fusion.

But you know you take what you get in life, I won't have my kids cut but I'm not gonna hold a grudge against my parents who only took advice that wasn't really questioned in the US until later on.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:01:16 2016 No.8238909

>>8238902
>>8238898
>SJWtard rants about another board out of nowhere
Bawww are you madposting because they cut your little willy and leave you scarred ? :(

Next time you'll need to cut your microdick completely and turn transgender since you're rebelling against well established ideas that are somehow /paul/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:10:38 2016 No.8238924 >>8238909 >out of nowhere You were posting shitty /pol/ memes to slide the thread. You need to be far less obvious about it if you don't want to be called out. How can someone be this unaware?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:12:23 2016 No.8238927 >>8238738 >scrotum reduction Wut?!?

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:14:42 2016 No.8238937

>>8238924
>whaaaaaa anything I dont like is pol and im gonna make everyone accept this "fact"

ssshhhh...deep breaths now you tiny SJWtard...your microdick pain will soon be over as you will lose a majority of the sensation in your quantum dick.

But if it's any consolation, you will never use your microdick in your entire life anyway ;)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:15:42 2016 No.8238938 >>8238769 >no effect on sexual function >sexual function Goalposts were shifted

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:17:21 2016 No.8238942 >>8238725 I wish I was circumcised. Foreskin causes nothing but problems man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:19:13 2016 No.8238946 >>8238937 >whaaaaaa anything I dont like is pol >whaaaaaa anything I don't like is tumblr/SJW. This unaware.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:21:25 2016 No.8238951 >>8238927 They remove a portion of the scrotum so that testis don't hang down as much and be in the way. It was popular with the Baby Boomers. So the generation they gave birth to had that done to them more than any other.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:23:21 2016 No.8238954 File: 58 KB, 719x960, 1469747773585.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >hey let's mutilate our genitals! >great idea!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:23:55 2016 No.8238956 >>8238937 >>8238909 Point and laugh

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:26:53 2016 No.8238961 File: 13 KB, 306x295, 1313581283558[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8238956 > point and laugh > he's got a mutilated microdick SJWtard resorted to repeat mode lmao

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:30:12 2016 No.8238966

>>8238769

Tons of info and citations which points in a direction of your foreskin being good for your penis. How about we cut your eyelids off. You dont need them. Just dont walk out in a dust storm.

"In the male rat, removal of the penile sheath markedly interferes with normal penile reflexes and copulation. When circumcised rats were paired with sexually experienced females, they had more difficulty obtaining an erection, more difficulty inserting the penis into the vagina, and required more mounts to inseminate than did unaltered males." http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/ohara/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:38:18 2016 No.8238979 >>8238938 The goalposts were shifted by the post I'm replying to retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:41:11 2016 No.8238982 >>8238954 >Earrings are mutilated earlobes >tattoos are mutilated skin >removing wisdom teeth is a mutilation of the mouth

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:41:55 2016 No.8238984 >people getting mad that they are less prone to infection disease What in the fuck, you Gus are worse than flat earthers

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:43:08 2016 No.8238985 >isn't a country of crazy muslims >still mutilates babies I don't understand you America

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:45:10 2016 No.8238991

>>8238966
>Tons of info and citations which points in a direction of your foreskin being good for your penis.
How so?

>How about we cut your eyelids off. You dont need them. Just dont walk out in a dust storm.
Eyelids actually serve a significant function. The foreskin does not. Only a delusional ideologue would compare the two.

>"In the male rat, removal of the penile sheath markedly interferes with normal penile reflexes and copulation. When circumcised rats were paired with sexually experienced females, they had more difficulty obtaining an erection, more difficulty inserting the penis into the vagina, and required more mounts to inseminate than did unaltered males."
Oh you got me. If that happens to rats it must be the same for humans. Let's just ignore the studies on humans and only look at rats.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:47:57 2016 No.8238999 It really is amazing to me how defensive Americans can get over a penis-lopping ritual that accidentally found its way into their culture after being a weird, obscure Muslim/Jew thing for thousands of years

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:50:50 2016 No.8239006 >>8238966 >penile sheath Human foreskins are not penile sheaths. Most mammal dicks are completely retracted into the foreskin. Human dicks are not. This actually supports the fact that human foreskins are useless.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:54:07 2016 No.8239015

>>8238999
What's more interesting is the histrionics that many opponents of circumcision exhibit, calling it mutilation and torture when it really doesn't matter. These people seem far more mentally imbalanced than those who perpetuate an arbitrary cosmetic ritual.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:55:16 2016 No.8239020

>>8238991
>>Tons of info and citations which points in a direction of your foreskin being good for your penis.
>How so?
You could use their library..
http://www.cirp.org/library/

>The foreskin does not.
You could use their library instead of being misinformed
http://www.cirp.org/library/

>If that happens to rats it must be the same for humans.
There is a reason we test on rats.
http://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/how-humans-are-like-rats/

>>8238991
>Let's just ignore the studies on humans and only look at rats.
You are one ignoring the studies
http://www.cirp.org/library/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 13:59:43 2016 No.8239029 >>8239006 Being different does not support that foreskins are useless.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:00:44 2016 No.8239031 >>8239015 >calling it mutilation and torture when it really doesn't matter. These people seem far more mentally imbalanced than those who perpetuate an arbitrary cosmetic ritual. Okay, then lets circumcise your daughter

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:00:49 2016 No.8239032

>>8238982
You don't get pleasure from your earlobe / it's not a vital reproductive organ
You don't get pleasure from your shoulder / it's not a vital reproductive organ
You don't get pleasure from your teeth / it's not a vital reproductive organ

SJWtards don't even get highschool biology ? Why are you idiots on a science board ?

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:07:43 2016 No.8239052

>>8239020
The website is clearly biased. It selectively presents evidence that supports it's point without discussing other evidence and without discussing the relative quality or possible flaws in the studies it does present. I already gave a metastudy which shows that high quality studies ranging over tens of thousands of men showed no difference in sensitivity or sexual function. Yet amazingly not one word about this appears on the website. Why is that?

>http://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/how-humans-are-like-rats/
We test on rats because they have similarities to humans. But if they do not have similar foreskins then other similarities are irrelevant. Again, rat foreskins, like most non-human mammal foreskins, are penile sheaths. Human foreskins are not penile sheaths. The only purpose in posting a study on rat foreskins when talking about human foreskins is to mislead people.

>>8239029
Being fundamentally different destroys the argument that human foreskins serve the same purpose as other mammal's foreskins. So yes, it supports the fact that foreskins do not serve a purpose.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:09:24 2016 No.8239054 >>8238982 You can get all the piercings, tattoos and circumcisions you want once you are an adult. You can even chop your dick off and call yourself a female. But don't do this to your children.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:09:29 2016 No.8239055 >>8239031 >Okay, then lets circumcise your daughter And once again we see the inability to argue honestly and make proportional comparisons. Mental imbalance exhibited.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:11:47 2016 No.8239058 >>8239032 >The foreskin is a vital reproductive organ So circumcised men can't reproduce?

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:12:51 2016 No.8239062

Uncircumcised guy here.

I don't how you circumcised guys do it, if you have your bare head rub against your underwear or pants then it must be so painful.

I've had one or two occasions where my foreskin has peeled back in my pants and just having the fabric braising along my head is enough to make me stop all movement.

I was wondering, is your penises that sensitive?

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:13:13 2016 No.8239064

You realize Americans are circumcised because it reduces STD transmissions right? We started doing it during WW1 so when our soldiers would go rape women or have sex with prostitutes not everyone would get syphilis and shit. We're circumcised because the US army doesn't trust us with a penis

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:13:14 2016 No.8239065 >>8239054 So getting your child's ear pierced should be illegal? What decisions should parents be able to make for their children? After all, you can't change your own childhood development.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:14:59 2016 No.8239068

>>8238860
>Because the point of circumcision is to remove the parts that gets easily infected the most and keep it hygenic.
Not that anon, but this is completely retarded reason to cut off a part of one's body.

t. uncutfag who cleans his dick like a civilized person

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:16:10 2016 No.8239072

>>8239052
>a metastudy
"Searches identified 2,675 publications describing the effects of male circumcision on aspects of male sexual function, sensitivity, sensation, or satisfaction. Of these, 36 met our inclusion criteria of containing original data."
So ignoring most of the studies and cherry picking 36, totally couldnt come up with a unbiased conclusion. Just ignore all the 100s of sources pointing in the opposite direction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:16:22 2016 No.8239075 >>8239065 >What decisions should parents be able to make for their children? Muslim sexual mutilation? As it is in most civilised countries?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:17:42 2016 No.8239078 >>8239055 Cant defend it so you insult claiming it isnt proportional is nonsense. There are many different versions of female circumcision.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:19:37 2016 No.8239084

>>8239072
>So ignoring most of the studies and cherry picking 36, totally couldnt come up with a unbiased conclusion.
LOL it's right int he sentence you quoted. All the other studies used the same data as those 36. You can't use multiple studies with the same data in a metastudy, because then you are double-counting the data. Are you incapable of reading or just too stupid to understand why double-counting is not allowed?

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:21:05 2016 No.8239088

>>8239052
>Being fundamentally different destroys the argument that human foreskins serve the same purpose as other mammal's foreskins. So yes, it supports the fact that foreskins do not serve a purpose.

fundamentally - in central or primary respects. They are not fundamentally different. They are both penises and they are both covered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:21:53 2016 No.8239089 >>8239062 my understanding is that if you're uncut your dick(at least the glans) is moist, right? I'm circumcised and my dick is as dry as my arm. I think it's called Keratinization

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:21:59 2016 No.8239090

>>8239078
>Cant defend it so you insult claiming it isnt proportional is nonsense. There are many different versions of female circumcision.
Then what do you mean by female circumcision? As far as I'm aware it refers to removal of the clitoris, which is not in any sense analogous to the foreskin.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:22:06 2016 No.8239091 >>8239084 I just sent you a giant list of counter research.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:23:57 2016 No.8239095 >>8239090 Okay I am clearing arguing with someone that knows nothing about circumcision other than 1 article that you accept as your circumcision bible. Why dont you read and come back informed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:24:06 2016 No.8239096 >>8239064 >circumcised because it reduces STD transmissions What a load of bullshit

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:24:23 2016 No.8239098

JOURNAL OF SOCIAL HISTORY, Volume 27: Pages 737-757

In summary, it can be seen that doctors in English-speaking countries introduced widespread circumcision of male infants in the late nineteenth century. At the time this innovation was justified largely in terms of discouraging masturbation, then regarded as a serious disease in its own right and as the cause of many more, but this rationale was increasingly overlaid by others in the early twentieth century, including protection against syphilis and cancer, freedom from phimosis (seen as a problem mainly because it was thought to provoke masturbation), and a general contribution to both moral and physical hygiene. To justify circumcision on the ground that it discouraged masturbation was to acknowledge that the operation reduced the sensitivity of the penis and curtailed sexual pleasure, a powerful argument to use at a time when most respectable people believed that excessive sexual indulgence was morally wrong as well as physically harmful; mainstream paediatric and child care manuals continued to assert the value of circumcision as a disincentive to masturbation right up until the 1950s.

With the advance of the sexual revolution in the 1960s (by which time routine circumcision survived only in the USA, Canada and Australia) this ceased to be a strong selling point; if a doctor there wanted to persuade parents to let him amputate part of their baby's penis he now had to reassure them that the procedure would significantly increase health without noticeably reducing sexual functionality or pleasure, and the original logic of its introduction was lost in a welter of social, aesthetic and medical rationalisations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:25:16 2016 No.8239101 >>8239090 I bet you dont even know there is different styles of male circumcision.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:26:52 2016 No.8239103

>>8239088
>fundamentally - in central or primary respects. They are not fundamentally different. They are both penises and they are both covered.
We are talking about the foreskin. Stating that rats and humans both have covered penises tells us nothing about the foreskin. Rat foreskins are penile sheaths. Human penises are not. This is simply a fact you will have to accept.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:27:01 2016 No.8239104

>>8239089

If you don't wipe your dick after you've pissed then it remains dry. I can see that its harder to wash but I've found my own methods of washing my dick easily.

Thanks to hair conditioner, not only does it smell great, but acts like a lubricant and does the job perfectly. No soap either so you don't burn your dick off unlike using soap or shampoo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:27:56 2016 No.8239107 >>8239089 >I'm circumcised and my dick is as dry as my arm. Holy fuck I'm so sorry

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:28:54 2016 No.8239108 >>8239095 >>8239101 Notice how he didn't even answer the question. What do you mean by female circumcision?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:29:10 2016 No.8239110 >>8239104 >>8239107 well which one is it I dunno what normal dick anatomy is

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:30:28 2016 No.8239112 >>8239110 Ignore >>8239107 since he's just proven himself to have shitty hygiene.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:30:29 2016 No.8239113 >>8239103 >penile sheath "When unfolded, the prepuce is large enough to cover the length and circumference of the erect penis and acts as a natural sheath through which the shaft glides during coitus." (http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/))

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:31:31 2016 No.8239115 >>8239108 I have to school you on the basics of circumcision? I have to do all of your research for you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:32:58 2016 No.8239119 >>8239110 It's not covered with a sheen of fluid or anything but it's supple and hydrated. Like the dry inside of your lip, I guess?

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:33:42 2016 No.8239120

>>8239096
http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2309466/Circumcision-lowers-risk-HIV-sexually-transmitted-diseases-half-changes-bacteria-levels.html
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/prevention_research_malecircumcision.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3036761/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:36:02 2016 No.8239124 >>8239096 turning a mucous membrane into a dried out husk will actually make it pretty protected against infection that's why we should cut out our eyes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:38:26 2016 No.8239127 >>8239124 >>8239119 I guess that's the advantage of stretching the skin to grow a "fauxskin." And you can just get circumcised again if you stem cells ever become a thing

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:39:45 2016 No.8239129

>>8239091
That doesn't respond to what I said, retard. You're going around in circles. There is nothing biased about the metastudy I posted. It does not choose data based on the conclusion. Your website clearly does. The metastudy I posted distinguishes between studies based on their quality. The website you posted does not.

I can see several issues with the website you posted. For one, it focuses on many studies of adult circumcision, not infant circumcision. Many of the studies it uses to claim that circumcision causes impotency or premature ejaculation are based on insignificant sample sizes. And it contradicts itself by claiming that the foreskin is both the most sensitive part of the penis and protects the most sensitive part of the penis (leading to the conclusion that circumcision miraculously causes both premature and delayed ejaculation)

And then there's stuff like this
>Hooykaas et al. (1991) reported that immigrant (mostly circumcised) males have a greater tendency to engage in risky sexual behavior with prostitutes as compared with Dutch (mostly normal intact) males.
Well gee, I guess it must be the circumcision that causes more risky behavior! Yup, that's the only difference between the two groups right? Really laughable.

>>	SAGA EMPORER Sun Jul 31 14:40:56 2016 No.8239131 >>8238738 >Sue you parents. Actually, parents are not given the option.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:45:21 2016 No.8239139

>>8239113
The human foreskin does not actually cover the whole length of the penis regardless of its unfolded length. Nice try though. Next time make sure what you're quoting actually says what you're trying to say instead of just including some words that look like other words.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:46:22 2016 No.8239141 >>8239115 And again you avoided the question. Reply only when you want to continue the discussion. Don't have a tantrum.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:48:01 2016 No.8239145 >>8238860 >Because the point of circumcision is to remove the parts that gets easily infected the most and keep it hygenic. No, it's not. Circumcision is a religious practice for which people have tried to invent post hoc justifications.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:50:51 2016 No.8239150 >>8238984 >Doesn't want to spend five extra seconds in the shower cleaning >Would rather cut off part of his penis

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:54:16 2016 No.8239160 >>8239131 What country?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:57:37 2016 No.8239168 >>8239139 I can have my foreskin cover my whole head, but I'd need to lubricate it a bit first, in order to do that.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:59:03 2016 No.8239170

>>8238982
Never had a tat.
Never had a piercing.
Never had wisdom teeth removed.

Funny that.

>>8239062
Mine is all calloused and rough. I can't really feel a thing. Only a toothy blowjob can get me to cum and most chicks don't want to use their teeth because they think it must be hurting.

>>8239065
Permanent cosmetic physical should be illegal for either child or adult.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:59:28 2016 No.8239172 >>8239168 Let's get back to the main point: A study on rat circumcisions is irrelevant because direct studies on humans show no loss of sexual function.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:01:49 2016 No.8239181 Just get even with the jews and help bring forth the day of the rope, so vote Trump.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:08:02 2016 No.8239196 >>8239170 Mine is very smooth and fleshy. >>8239172 I was just wondering since my head is hypersensitive and feels very uncomfortable when it's braising up against something like underwear.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:19:55 2016 No.8239212 MUH RELIGION Will be an excuse for why it is ok. Of course those same christfags wont be ok with muslims doing it to girls.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:25:22 2016 No.8239221

Denmark released a massive study on circumcision and concluded that boys who were circumcised as a baby where 10% more likely to have autism. They tracked 400,000 boys from 1994-2014. Circumcision was popularized by Kellogg in the US to promote anti-masturbation norms. He was a known puritan who hated sex. He invented the Chasity belt to little boys from jerking off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:29:52 2016 No.8239227 >>8239221 Source

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:31:09 2016 No.8239229

>>8239212
>God created mammals
>Gives all mammals the suborgan foreskin
>Commands that humans cut off their foreskin
People actually think this shit makes sense.

>Engineer designs an airplane
>Includes a functional part, the windshield
>In his technical manual, states "the windshield must removed before flight."

>Programmer creates an open-source program
>includes a function that optimises the program, opt1(void)
>in the Read-Me, states that the user should open the source code and remove opt1(void) before running the program

>Chef bakes a cake
>Includes a delicious frosting on the cake's exterior
>The chef tells the waiter to scrape the icing off of the cake after he serves it to the table

>Student writes an essay
>Includes an introductory paragraph
>When he submits his essay, he tells his marker to rip the page to remove the introductory paragraph

Makes perfect sense, guys.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:32:26 2016 No.8239233 >>8239221 If to go correlation hunting like that it is a statistical necessity that you will find one. There is no causative mechanism between circumcision and autism.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:32:31 2016 No.8239234

>>8238725
>Sure your parents.

I looked into it but I couldn't. The statute is 1 year after you turn 18 in my state, and I couldn't find a lawyer for it in time between starting school and other stuff. Plus, I didn't have the money for my own car and went to school out of state, and my parents told me they'd kick me out/take the car if I sued them for it. I wasn't financially stable enough to risk no longer having a relationship with them until after the deadline to sue expired.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:35:53 2016 No.8239244

>>8239227
>>8239233
Abstract
Objective: Based on converging observations in animal,
clinical and ecological studies, we hypothesised a possible
impact of ritual circumcision on the subsequent risk of
autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in young boys.
Design: National, register-based cohort study.
Setting: Denmark.
Participants: A total of 342,877 boys born between 1994
and 2003 and followed in the age span 0–9 years between
1994 and 2013.
Main outcome measures: Information about cohort members’
ritual circumcisions, confounders and ASD outcomes,
as well as two supplementary outcomes, hyperkinetic disorder
and asthma, was obtained from national registers.
Hazard ratios (HRs) with 95% confidence intervals (CIs)
associated with foreskin status were obtained using Cox
proportional hazards regression analyses.
Results: With a total of 4986 ASD cases, our study showed
that regardless of cultural background circumcised boys
were more likely than intact boys to develop ASD before
age 10 years (HR¼1.46; 95% CI: 1.11–1.93). Risk was particularly
high for infantile autism before age five years
(HR¼2.06; 95% CI: 1.36–3.13). Circumcised boys in non-
Muslim families were also more likely to develop hyperkinetic
disorder (HR¼1.81; 95% CI: 1.11–2.96). Associations
with asthma were consistently inconspicuous (HR¼0.96;
95% CI: 0.84–1.10).
Conclusions: We confirmed our hypothesis that boys who
undergo ritual circumcision may run a greater risk of
developing ASD. This finding, and the unexpected observation
of an increased risk of hyperactivity disorder among
circumcised boys in non-Muslim families, need attention,
particularly because data limitations most likely rendered
our HR estimates conservative. Considering the widespread
practice of non-therapeutic circumcision in infancy
and childhood around the world, confirmatory studies
should be given priority.

Ritual circumcision and risk of autism spectrum
disorder in 0- to 9-year-old boys: national cohort study
in Denmark

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:43:56 2016 No.8239265 >>8238982 Exactly, if anyone gave their baby a tattoo or a piercing they would be publicly shot yet mutilating their penis is somehow okay. Fucking kike shills need to get the fuck out of this thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:45:58 2016 No.8239271 Damn we really should start a class action lawsuit against whoever is at the most fault cutting the foreskin off my penis at birth. Im totally behind this.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 15:57:06 2016 No.8239307

>>8239271
Detecting irony. I'm simply asking about the validity. I would say the responsible hospital staff. I suppose in that case, just the physicians who performed them. Wouldn't be hard to track down, that info is recorded, correct? You cut the penises of these 5,000 babies - your licence is hereby revoked and you are charged with 100,000$ in damages for each case, paid directly to each patient.

Sounds reasonable to me desu senpai.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 16:03:17 2016 No.8239320

>>8239229
Circumcision makes sense if you lived in a desert 3000-6000 years ago when you had no access to regular bathing. It wasn't exclusively done by Jews, Egyptians did it too. Better to part with a small part of your dick than to risk infection and not reproducing at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 16:10:15 2016 No.8239337 >>8239234 Sue them after you are financially independent, then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 16:12:29 2016 No.8239344 >>8239265 Babies get their ears pierced all the time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 16:17:19 2016 No.8239355 Dont cut the umbilical cord either. It is BARBARIC!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 16:39:58 2016 No.8239395 >>8239355 False equivalency. Try again, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 16:56:48 2016 No.8239414 >>8239032 >You don't get pleasure from your earlobe Virgin detected

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 16:59:29 2016 No.8239421

>>8238966
>How about we cut your eyelids off. You dont need them.

Why is this such a common physiological 'analogy' brought up in comparison to the foreskin when it quite obviously is not appropriate at all?

The penis is not an eye. The penis functions perfectly the same (ejaculation, urination etc) whether circumcised or not - cutting the eyelids off a person most obviously drys the corneas out and ruins a persons vision.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 17:29:26 2016 No.8239471 >>8239421 Because most of the people who are against circumcision are nuts with no sense f proportion.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 17:32:15 2016 No.8239475

>>8239421
>The penis functions perfectly the same (ejaculation, urination etc) whether circumcised or not - cutting the eyelids off a person most obviously drys the corneas out and ruins a persons vision.

Yes and your cock rubbing in your dry underwear doesnt dry out, it also doesnt build up thicker skin from rubbing around unprotected, and it totally has no effect on your sensitivity. I can find no relation. You are right this guy doesnt know anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 17:34:47 2016 No.8239483 >>8239475 Yeah it doesn't. I have never had dry skin on my dick and I get dry skin in the rest of my body all the time.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 17:38:10 2016 No.8239490

>>8239471
We don't need tonsils, we should just remove them at birth

We don't need an appendix, let's just remove it at birth

We don't need earlobes let's just remove them at birth

We don't need a second kidney, let's just remove it at birth

We don't need eyebrows, let's just remove them at birth.

We don't need a second testicle, let's just remove it at birth.

We don't need a tailbone, let's just remove it at birth.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 17:40:57 2016 No.8239495

>>8239471
Imagine you wore gloves that were made out of perfectly lubricated skin all of your life. Your hands would never dry out. Your skin would be perfectly preserved. You would have the hands of a baby. Go feel a babies hands. Some people hands are so rough they could sandpaper off a babies hands. Think of your penis, and what a perfect environment for a penis would be. Sure a circumcised penis functions, but does it look as new, feel as new as a uncircumcised penis. You would have to deny that a perfectly lubricated environment has no effect on what is inside of it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 17:47:14 2016 No.8239510

>>8239495
I have a circumcised penis and I must say, I wish that weren't the case. It causes me a lot of problems. I get pain when having sex for too long, I can get pain if I can too big of an erection, it's a pain to deal with when trying to piss, it traps bodily grime all the time thus needs extra care to clean, the increased sensitivity is awful if happens to fall out of your foreskin in your pants. I've never heard of anyone ever complaining about having no foreskin except under some bullshit argument that its more natural. I guess I can get a circumcision as an adult but I'd have to deal with sensitivity problems for a long time as it gets used to not being wrapped in skin.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 17:47:45 2016 No.8239511

>>8239483
Have you rubbed a womans clit? The hood is there to protect it. If you rub the clit directly it will make a girl kick you in the face. If you chop off the hood the clit will become desensitized. If you chop off a mans hood the same thing happens. If a circumcised persons head is out, it will start to hurt from rubbing around in their underwear, it will actually feel really uncomfortable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 17:48:18 2016 No.8239512 >>8239510 >8239510 *uncircumcised penis, woops

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 17:48:47 2016 No.8239516 >>8239511 "UN-circumcised persons head"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 17:53:46 2016 No.8239524 >>8238951 Literally what? Muricas fucked big times. Circumcision alone is horrible, but thats just,... wow

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:11:46 2016 No.8239554 >>8239490 >>8239229 Cool, so according to the retards in this thread >>8239510 >>8239483 >>8239471 >>8239421, everything I proposed is perfectly reasonable. Hope you didn't drive a car that has a windshield today, /sci/lly boys.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:17:46 2016 No.8239575

>>8238725
Sure, I was circumcised. I don't think it was necessary. I think it's mutilation.

But I dont hate my parents for it. Just culture. Not their fault they were misinformed. I'm sure at some point it was just implied and you had to bring it up to stop it.

Moral of the story. I'm not doing it to my kids. End of story. Move on.

Whats the point of being butthurt?

My step brother was circumcised at 15 because of some kind of growth problem during puberty. He said he couldn't care less about having it or not.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:17:59 2016 No.8239576

>>8239511
>If a circumcised persons head is out, it will start to hurt from rubbing around in their underwear, it will actually feel really uncomfortable.
No, it doesn't. And a clitoris is very different from the head of a penis. Why do you believe this nonsense?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:23:16 2016 No.8239586 >>8239490 You just proved my point. Circumcision is not an invasive surgery, and does not negatively affect your appearance. Why do have no sense of proportion?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:24:15 2016 No.8239588 >>8239575 Yes, I know. I want the physicians who perform the surgery to be disbarred and I want gibs from them in the form of $100,000 USD

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:26:01 2016 No.8239590 >>8239586 It is an unnecessary surgery that comes with inherent risks. It does have a negative effect on appearance AND function. Am I arguing with a JIDF here?

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:27:35 2016 No.8239594

>>8239495
>You would have to deny that a perfectly lubricated environment has no effect on what is inside of it.
It doesn't need to be lubricated in the first place though. You are making the assumption that our bodies are perfect the way they are and that everything serves some function. This is obviously not the case if you would just think about the many ways that humans modify their body, both cosmetically and medically. Does circumcision have any significant negative consequences? No. So your histrionics are not justified.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:28:19 2016 No.8239595 >>8239588 Do you also yell at the ticket seller because the movie was bad?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:29:35 2016 No.8239599 >>8239595 No I yell at the director.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:31:25 2016 No.8239602 >>8239337 I can't. My state's statute of limitations is one year after the incident or one year after you turn 18 if it occurred when you were a minor. There's nothing I can do now. Oh, well. Maybe Foregen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:32:13 2016 No.8239603 >>8239599 Well. Im sure most doctors were just doing their job (ei ticket seller) Its not their fault it became socially 'acceptable'.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:32:46 2016 No.8239604 >>8239089 >dick(at least the glans) is moist, No

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:33:55 2016 No.8239607 >>8239594 >Does circumcision have any significant negative consequences? No. You can keep denying it but there is a significant amount of research showing there is. http://www.cirp.org/library/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:36:30 2016 No.8239613 >>8239607 As I already pointed out that website is full of biased, anecdotal, statistically insignificant, and just plain faulty arguments. Find a non-biased metastudy that support your claims or fuck off.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:39:31 2016 No.8239623

>>8239613
Yes since your meta study didnt cite 100s of research showing evidence of the contrary of their conclusion then those 100s of papers are faulty.

You see they would need to disprove all of 100s of papers, which they did not. Not including the data does not make the previous data wrong. What it does though is make the new conclusion highly biased.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:43:02 2016 No.8239632

>>8238763
>Ignores empirical evidence in favor of unfounded speculation.

>Claims to be stating a "logical proof" when he commits a blatant Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy based on a cargo-cult popsci misinterpretation of how evolution works.

>uses poltard memes.

Make a vow of silence for the rest of your life to spare the rest of humanity from your stupidity.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:44:44 2016 No.8239637

>>8239613
>faulty arguments
An arguments you dont understand doesnt make it faulty. Nor were you able to read and understand hundreds of papers in such a short time. Did you complete you phd in circumcision in an hour? Assuming also you are the same guy that didnt know that there is different ways to circumcise men and women.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:45:49 2016 No.8239641

>>8239623
>Yes since your meta study didnt cite 100s of research showing evidence of the contrary of their conclusion then those 100s of papers are faulty.
The metastudy I posted showed plenty of studies that claim negative results of circumcision. It also showed that the only studies which did so are the ones which suffered from systematic flaws. CIRP does not attempt to measure the quality of the studies it cites, because it is trying to reach a preconceived conclusion, not tell us what all the data is saying. There's a huge difference.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:47:22 2016 No.8239644 >>8239637 OK, so please explain how a study which compared the behaviors of immigrants to the behaviors of native Dutch can conclude anything about circumcision.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:51:20 2016 No.8239649 >>8239595 The other replier is false flagging me. I wouldn't yell at the ticket seller because he didn't permanently surgically remove a part of my body resulting in me forever experiencing less pleasure during sex.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:51:27 2016 No.8239650 >>8239641 Wow I found this article disagreeing with that paper you cite. I guess using your logic that then your paper is garbage.. ta da http://file.scirp.org/pdf/ASM_2015033116102429.pdf

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:52:27 2016 No.8239652

>>8239637
>Nor were you able to read and understand hundreds of papers in such a short time.
I'll do so when you do so.

>Did you complete you phd in circumcision in an hour?
Did you?

>Assuming also you are the same guy that didnt know that there is different ways to circumcise men and women.
What differences are relevant to the discussion at hand? If there are relevant differences then the question you asked was too vague to answer as you failed to clarify what you meant by female circumcision. If there are none then you are simply trying to distract from the fact that your argument had no point in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:52:35 2016 No.8239653 >>8239649 >I wouldn't yell at the ticket seller because he didn't permanently surgically remove a part of my body resulting in me forever experiencing less pleasure during sex. I just came into this thread and what the fuck are you all talking about ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:52:59 2016 No.8239654 >>8239644 Citation?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:54:07 2016 No.8239659 >>8239653 Wasnt the doctors idea. He's doing his job. Its a social/religious problem.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:55:58 2016 No.8239664

>>8239652

I'm not the one saying that 100s of paper are junk

>>8239055
>>Okay, then lets circumcise your daughter
>And once again we see the inability to argue honestly and make proportional comparisons. Mental imbalance exhibited.

It can be proportional. If you knew about the different ways of circumcising you would know that.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 18:59:31 2016 No.8239676

>>8239659
A doctor's job isn't to do whatever a book with the words "religious text" stamped on it says.

By that logic I can write my own holy book which says that all niggers need to be eradicated and the physicians would have to gear up for a coon hunt. They should also be performing euthanasia for Muslim women who have dishonoured their families.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:00:07 2016 No.8239678

>>8239554
If your appendix is going to explode, you get it removed so you don't die. If your tonsils keep making you sick, you get them removed to improve your health. Similarly, I wish I was circumcised; it's given me several unpleasant problems I have to deal with on a daily basis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:02:21 2016 No.8239681 >>8239676 Hey now. The bible just says slaves are cool. It doesnt say they need to be murdered. Who is going to do the work you dont want to. But heathens, they need to die, got to make the slaves kill the heathens in the gladiator dome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:03:18 2016 No.8239683 >>8239678 Then get it removed you stupid fucking slackjaw. Nothing stopping you. Me, on the other hand, I did not get the choice. You can't complain because there is literally nothing stopping you from going and having your weak microdick fixed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:03:28 2016 No.8239684 >>8239650 You must lack reading comprehension if you think anything that I said implies that a letter by a psychologist somehow invalidates a peer-reviewed metastudy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:03:38 2016 No.8239687 >>8239576 >No, it doesn't Yes it does. I don't know how that guy knows but I know this from personal experience.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:04:29 2016 No.8239694 >>8239664 >I'm not the one saying that 100s of paper are junk Neither am I. I'm simply saying that CIRP is clearly cherrypicking and misrepresenting what studies are saying.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:05:36 2016 No.8239696

>>8239683
I could but then I'd have to deal with sensitivity problems for a long time as it gets used to not being wrapped in skin. Just having my dick out my foreskin fucking sucks. It's not as easy that. When I finally work up the nerve to tough that out, I'll fucking do it you cunt.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:05:47 2016 No.8239699

>>8239654
>Hooykaas et al. (1991) reported that immigrant (mostly circumcised) males have a greater tendency to engage in risky sexual behavior with prostitutes as compared with Dutch (mostly normal intact) males.

http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/#n23

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:06:42 2016 No.8239702 >>8239694 Cherrying picking from 100s of citations? You do know what cherry picking is. It is only citing about 35 papers out of 1000s and calling the ones that disagree with your conclusion as junk. http://file.scirp.org/pdf/ASM_2015033116102429.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:08:03 2016 No.8239705 >>8239696 >I have a rare condition that makes my penis uncomfortable - I can alleviate the issue by having a circumcision >I wish that ALL babies were circumcised so that I didn't have to go to the doctor as an adult :/ This is what you sound like.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:09:48 2016 No.8239708

>>8239664
>It can be proportional. If you knew about the different ways of circumcising you would know that.
If it can be or it can't be then what is the point of the question? Female circumcision generally refers to the removal of the clitoris. Male circumcision generally refers to the removal of the foreskin. These are not analogous. If you are attempting to make them analogous then equivocation does not help you. It just makes your argument pointless.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:12:09 2016 No.8239714

>>8239644
>OK, so please explain how a study which compared the behaviors of immigrants to the behaviors of native Dutch can conclude anything about circumcision.
>>8239699
>>Hooykaas et al. (1991) reported that immigrant (mostly circumcised) males have a greater tendency to engage in risky sexual behavior with prostitutes as compared with Dutch (mostly normal intact) males.

Citing a paper about strange behavior some researcher found is just that, strange behavior.

"Sexual behaviour. The alteration to the sexual organ causes many circumcised males to change their sexual behavior. Foley reported that circumcised males are more likely to masturbate.10 Hooykaas et al. (1991) reported that immigrant (mostly circumcised) males have a greater tendency to engage in risky sexual behavior with prostitutes as compared with Dutch (mostly normal intact) males.23 The U. S. National Health and Social Life Survey found that circumcised males have a "more elaborated" set of sexual practices, including more masturbation, and more heterosexual oral sex.30 The British National Survey of Sexual Attitudes and Lifestyles (2000) reported that circumcised males were more likely to report having a homosexual partner and more likely to have partners from abroad as compared with normal intact males.56 Circumcised men are significantly less likely to use condoms.38 50 Many men in the Solinis and Yiannaki study reported decreased sex life after circumcision.69"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:12:32 2016 No.8239715 >>8239708 The guy you're arguing with is a retard. The equivalent female procedure would be excision of the clitoral hood, in definitley exposing the clitoris without requiring engorgement.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:14:03 2016 No.8239719

>>8239705
>I wish that ALL babies were circumcised so that I didn't have to go to the doctor as an adult :/
Go through my fucking comments and point out the point where I said that. Go fucking do that right now. I specifically said I wish I was fucking circumcised, I didn't say anything about anyone else

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:14:42 2016 No.8239721

>>8239702
>Cherrying picking from 100s of citations? You do know what cherry picking is.
The amount of papers cherrypicked is irrelevant. I don't think YOU understand what cherrypicking is. It means that CIRP chose to present only evidence which agreed with the conclusion it was trying to reach, and ignored all other evidence. The metastudy I posted did not ignore anything. It excluded studies which used the same data, because that would be double-counting such data. Clearly you don't understand the difference and think that the number of papers somehow matters more than the data in those papers or the quality of analysis.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:15:51 2016 No.8239723

>>8238738
>>8238951
This has to be a troll. If not, that's fucking hilarious.
>>8238748
>>8238886
>>8238898
>>8239632
I hate /pol/fags too, but I flat out refuse to believe this. There is just no way that circumcision doesn't reduce the sensitivity of the penis. I don't have any statistics to back it up, but the fact that Americans can't even masturbate without lube should be enough evidence. Anybody disagreeing with me is most likely circumcised and in denial.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:17:30 2016 No.8239727

>>8239719
>I wish I was preemptively circumcised based on the small probability that I would develop the issue I developed in adulthood

In order for that to happen, you either need to be very "lucky" or all babies need to be systematically circumcised. Is this actually lost on you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:21:37 2016 No.8239738 >>8239723 Ignore the SJWtard shitposters that constantly calling everyone /pol/. The only purpose of their existence on 4chan is to shit on everything they see. So don't jump into their fact-denialism pit.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:23:22 2016 No.8239742

>>8239727
Man, like don't you get my point? There's pro and cons to both is what I'm trying to get at. I'm unlucky and I know that, I don't dwell on it. You would wish the same thing too. OP came in saying he wish he wasn't circumsized so I gave my point of view that it's not always good. That's it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:25:29 2016 No.8239748

>>8239721
The paper I cited says your paper ignored evidence.

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

Morris and Krieger’s recent claim [1] that male circumcision has no adverse sexual effects misleads the reader.
By downplaying empirical studies that have reported adverse sexual effects (often by selectively citing Morris’
own non-peer-reviewed e-letters, and failing to mention or take into account others’ critiques of those pieces),
Morris and Krieger reach a conclusion that defies common sense.

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/ASM_2015033116102429.pdf

Then there is you claiming that CIRP is cherry picking. I wonder who it could be. It is just so hard, you with your no reputation and that author with one.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:27:51 2016 No.8239757

>>8239742
Gotcha. Thanks for explaining. Btw I am op.

Anyway, we agree that circumcision should only be administered to adults or children for whom it is deemed medically necessary or advisable right? And only loose circumcision should be implemented. I'm circumcised but I'm loose enough that I can jerk it without lube. That must be a true hell

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:31:14 2016 No.8239764 >>8239721 You know climate change deniers often ignore 1000s of papers call them flawed. Then cite the minority of evidence as fact. You know about 35 papers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:32:38 2016 No.8239766 >>8238946 #rekt

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:33:30 2016 No.8239768 >>8239757 I would agree with that. I guess it is nice to not have to worry about lube.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:45:50 2016 No.8239791 Look up ARCLAW, OP. Might be relevant to your interests.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:52:33 2016 No.8239802

>>8238860

The transitional mucocutaneous region of the foreskin is the most specially innervated part of the penis. This has been proven by histological analysis.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x/pdf

The glans is a protopathic structure primarily innervated with pain receptors (free nerve endings).

The foreskin (particularly the ridged band and frenulum) on the other hand has a great deal of specialized nerve endings, primarily tactile corpuscles.

There are ten times as many encapsulated nerve endings in the foreskin than in the glans.

http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/cold-mcgrath/

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:01:15 2016 No.8239821

>>8239721
haha more info on your shit author.

"For well over a decade, Professor Morris has been waging a quixotic campaign against the foreskin.[2] Although he has “no involvement in clinical medicine”[3] and “cannot claim any more expertise on the topic of male circumcision than any other scientist,”[4] Morris has sought to demonize the humble prepuce. So dangerous is this particular part of the normal male anatomy, according to Morris, that it must be removed from a child’s body before he can form his own opinion.[5]"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:02:17 2016 No.8239824 >>8239821 http://www.skeptic.org.uk/magazine/features/64-published/711-does-science-support-infant-circumcision-a-skeptical-reply-to-brian-morris forgot my citation

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:05:43 2016 No.8239830 >>8239821 >>8239824 Fucking wrecked.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:08:37 2016 No.8239836 >>8239721 >number of papers somehow matters >>8239748 >while ignoring a significant portion of related cases Yes the number matters, or else it isnt cherry picking.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:09:33 2016 No.8239838 Infant here. I'm against it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:25:31 2016 No.8239870

>>8239684
>You must lack reading comprehension if you think anything that I said implies that a letter by a psychologist somehow invalidates a peer-reviewed metastudy.

He did post in a peer reviewed journal. So it isnt a *letter*
http://www.scirp.org/journal/asm/

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:29:34 2016 No.8239878

>>8239714
>Citing a paper about strange behavior some researcher found is just that, strange behavior.
Uh no it isn't. It's right in the paragraph you quoted:

>The alteration to the sexual organ causes many circumcised males to change their sexual behavior.

So CIRP is literally saying that circumcision caused immigrants to engage in risky sexual behavior with prostitutes. A far more rational interpretation of the study would be that immigrants display different sexual behavior from native Dutch because of cultural, socioeconomic, and educational reasons. Not because they are more likely to lack a foreskin. But apparently CIRP is so desperate to reach the conclusion that circumcision is bad that they will represent just about anything as evidence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:30:30 2016 No.8239880 ITT : males

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:33:51 2016 No.8239885 >>8239748 What paper? You cited a letter. It can say anything it wants to say. And the letter doesn't even say that the metastudy ignored data, it disagreed with how studies were classified. All the studies results were presented in the paper.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:36:21 2016 No.8239890

>>8239878

I agree it is a bad connection and the paper itself did not make that conclusion.

"[CIRP Note: This study is significant because Dutch men are usually non-circumcised intact males, but immigrant men from Turkey and Surinam are Muslims, who are usually circumcised for religious reasons. This study confirms the findings of Laumann et al. that circumcised men tend to engage in more risky sexual behavior and have a higher incidence of STD.]"

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:36:46 2016 No.8239892

>>8239764
How many times do I have to point out that the metastudy did not say 1000s of studies were flawed? Thousands of studies used the same data. You can't doublecount data by including two studies with the same data. It has nothing to do with cherrypicking or flaws in the studies. Why do I have to keep repeating this? Apparently it's because you think cherrypicking has to do with numbers.

>>8239836
>Yes the number matters, or else it isnt cherry picking.
Cherrypicking 100 papers is still cherrypicking. The numbers have nothing to do with it you utter tard. Again, you simply don't understand what the word cherrypicking means.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:37:26 2016 No.8239893 >>8239885 >He did post in a peer reviewed journal. So it isnt a letter >http://www.scirp.org/journal/asm/

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:39:44 2016 No.8239899

>>8239892
Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, [while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.]

Significant.. key word

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:40:35 2016 No.8239901 >>8239714 >Citing a paper about strange behavior some researcher found is just that, strange behavior. No, it's referencing a study. It's not strange.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:41:04 2016 No.8239902 >>8239885 >disagreed with how studies were classified Yes, when you classify articles as flawed you can ignore them and not include them in your data.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:41:06 2016 No.8239903 >>8239870 You do peer reviewed journals publish letters right? Like newspapers. And no, the letters themselves are generally not peer reviewed, they are simply accepted or rejected by the journal. What you posted is a letter.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:41:56 2016 No.8239904

>>8239594

>Does circumcision have any significant negative consequences?

Yes. It removes the primary sensory structure of the penis.

No part of the human penis has a more specialized pattern of innervation than the foreskin.

The glans of the penis is primarily protopathic. Almost all the nerve endings in it are FNEs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:42:50 2016 No.8239907 >>8239893 Letters to peer reviewed journals are published in that journal. Do not know anything about scientific journals?

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:44:15 2016 No.8239910

>>8239594
>>8239904

Oh, and also it causes the formation of abnormal neural growths, such as amputation neuromas.

>Histology of the male circumcision scar shows amputation neuromas, Schwann cell proliferation and the bulbous collection of variably sized neurites. Amputation neuromas do not mediate normal sensation and are notorious for generating pain. Animal studies show that extirpation of the external genitalia results in acute retrograde degeneration of the nerve axon back to the spinal cord [96]. Therefore, the changes in circumcised male sexual behaviour [81] may be related to a central nervous system alteration by retrograde axonal degeneration, or to peripheral nervous system damage by loss of the prepuce ridged band and amputation neuroma. It is assumed that amputation neuromas also form at the female circumcision scar, although we are unaware of a formal histology study.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x/pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:45:33 2016 No.8239913 >>8239899 Considering CIRP ignores ALL data that may contradict its position, I would say that 100% is a significant portion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:47:44 2016 No.8239918 >>8239902 The data was included though. Again, the difference between CIRP and what I posted is that CIRP pretends contrary evidence does not exist. It does not present that evidence and then explain why we should not believe it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:52:12 2016 No.8239928 >>8239355 The umbilical cord is not primary erogenous tissue. The prepuce is. It's not like the umbilical cord. The prepuce is densely innervated, functional erogenous tissue--it's a normal part of the adult male and female bodies.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:53:54 2016 No.8239930

>>8239320

>Circumcision makes sense if you lived in a desert 3000-6000 years ago when you had no access to regular bathing.

No it doesn't. If you have limited access to water, no specific surgical training, and no knowledge of germ theory, amputating healthy genital tissue is one of the most insane, unhealthy things you could possibly do.

It never made sense as a health measure. And in children, the foreskin is self-cleaning. It's fused to the head of the penis in children--there is not even a space between the glans and foreskin where debris could collect until the dissolution of the balanopreputial lamina.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:56:00 2016 No.8239935

>>8239904
>Yes. It removes the primary sensory structure of the penis.
Wrong. The primary sensory structure of the penis is the dorsal nerve. Pick up any anatomy textbook and it will tell you the same. CIRP in some cases claims that the foreskin is the primary sensory structure and in other cases claims that it covers the primary sensory structure, so that it can claim circumcision causes both delayed ejaculation and premature ejaculation. Don't get all of your information from one source.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 20:57:39 2016 No.8239938

>>8239586

>Circumcision is not an invasive surgery

Yes it is. In modern times it normally involves multiple incisions and a bell being shoved inside the slit preputial orifice, then the foreskin (roughly half the "skin" of the penis) is crushed off by a clamp.

>and does not negatively affect your appearance.

Subjective.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:00:26 2016 No.8239944 Your shit author is shit: http://www.skeptic.org.uk/magazine/features/64-published/711-does-science-support-infant-circumcision-a-skeptical-reply-to-brian-morris

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:01:30 2016 No.8239947

>>8239935

>The primary sensory structure of the penis is the dorsal nerve.

The foreskin is innervated by the dorsal nerve, and the dorsal nerve, without its normal amount and types of nerve endings, cannot mediate normal sensation.

>The male prepuce has somatosensory innervation by the dorsal nerve of the penis and branches of the perineal nerve (including the posterior scrotal nerves) [35,36]. Autonomic innervation of the prepuce arises from the pelvic plexus. The parasympathetic visceral efferent and afferent fibres arise from the sacral centre (S2-S4), and sympathetic preganglionic afferent and visceral afferent fibres from the thoracolumbar centre (T11-L2). The parasympathetic nerves run adjacent to and through the wall of the membranous urethra [35].

(Cold, CJ. Taylor, JR. The Prepuce. British Journal of Urology, British Journal of Urology, Volume 83, Suppl. 1: Pages 34-44, January 1999.

I have linked to this review before, but I'll do it again.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x/pdf

>CIRP in some cases claims that the foreskin is the primary sensory structure and in other cases claims that it covers the primary sensory structure, so that it can claim circumcision causes both delayed ejaculation and premature ejaculation. Don't get all of your information from one source.

CIRP is by and large a database of studies, although they do publish their own articles as well. I don't believe they claim that the glans (which is generally covered by the foreskin) is the primary sensory structure of the penis. If they did they would be mistaken, because the glans is protopathic.

The foreskin is where you will find the lion's share of fine-touch sensitive encapsulated nerve endings in the human penis. The glans is protopathic.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:04:51 2016 No.8239954

>>8239947
It's right here:

>Premature ejaculation. Lakshmanan & Prakash (1980) report that the foreskin impinges against the corona glandis during coitus.15 The foreskin, therefore, tends to protect the corona glandis from direct stimulation by the vagina of the female partner during coitus. The corona is the most highly innervated part of the glans penis.

http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/#n23

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:05:56 2016 No.8239956

>>8239065

>So getting your child's ear pierced should be illegal?

Sure. I think that's perfectly reasonable. But ear-piercing is far and away less damaging than circumcision, and it's much more reversible.

>What decisions should parents be able to make for their children?

Some of them--but not how much of their penis they get to keep.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:07:13 2016 No.8239961

>>8239954

They state that the corona is the most highly innervated part of the GLANS PENIS.

Not the penis as a whole--the GLANS PENIS, i.e., the male glans.

Yes, the corona is the most highly innervated part of the glans (or glans penis, or "head"). But not the most highly innervated part of the penis as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:08:38 2016 No.8239964 >>8239961 That misses the point. If the foreskin is the most sensitive part, then how can it be protecting the penis from premature ejaculation by covering the glans?

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:24:04 2016 No.8240001

>>8239964

Still, they did not state that the corona of the glans is the most specially/highly innervated part of the penis. It seems to me that in this case, CIRP is simply reporting the findings and hypotheses (note their use of "may" in this area) of various authors, rather than making original claims. I'm not familiar with Zwang's report, and therefore am not really in a position to comment on his findings or hypotheses.

It's worth noting that there is a lot of variation and change in how much of the glans the foreskin covers during erection and intercourse, and what parts of the foreskin (which all have different patterns of innervation) go where on the erect penis, from one man to the next.

However, that the mucocutaneous region of the foreskin itself is the most specially innervated part of the penis has been shown by dissection and histological study, and its sensitivity to gentle touch has been demonstrated by monofilament testing (Sorrells et al, 2007. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847))

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:28:14 2016 No.8240008
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>>8239821
>>8239824

It's also worth noting that Professor Morris has linked to multiple "circumsexual" organizations on his web site, and liked "circumsexual pride" on his Facebook.

Circumsexuals are people who get erotic satisfaction from the circumcised penis, the act of circumcision, circumcision instruments, et cetera. Some of them, like "James Badger" (the pen name of an author who has collaborated with Morris in the past) write "erotic" stories about boys or men getting circumcised

They are also known as circumfetishists.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:37:24 2016 No.8240024

>>8239723

>There is just no way that circumcision doesn't reduce the sensitivity of the penis.

It destroys the sensitivity of the parts of the penis that get cut off. This is very obvious. You cannot remove tissue and still have normal sensation in the tissue that was removed, period.

>the fact that Americans can't even masturbate without lube should be enough evidence.

This has more to do with the "tightness" of the circumcision. Men who were loosely circumcised will have an easier time masturbating without lube than those who were tightly circumcised.

In the past, many doctors (such as EJ Spratling) recommended very, very tight circumcisions to impede masturbation as much as possible.

More recently, anecdotally there are a lot of reports of babies getting loosely circumcised, but this is leading to its own set of problems (such as the parents of the boy having to rip back the remaining foreskin as it tries to re-adhere to the glans).

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:42:49 2016 No.8240032

>>8239421

>The penis is not an eye.

That's true. But the glans of the penis is innervated similarly to the eyeball--and both the glans and eyeball are protopathic.

>The penis functions perfectly the same (ejaculation, urination etc) whether circumcised or not

Ejaculation and urination are not the only functions of the penis. Male sensuality is not all about ejaculation. There is the gliding action (which is reduced or, in the case of tight circumcisions, eliminated). There is the stretch reception and fine touch reception of the ridged band, which is ruined by circumcision.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:50:39 2016 No.8240042 >>8238755 Just kill yourself and be done with it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:51:40 2016 No.8240044

>>8238991

>Eyelids actually serve a significant function. The foreskin does not.

Yes, it does. The foreskin is an organ of perception; it is the most specially innervated part of the human penis. No other part of the penis is as rich in specialized sensory end organs as the mucocutaneous parts of the foreskin.

The foreskin also provides a rolling bearing to facilitate masturbation and intercourse, it helps provide enough tissue for the penis to fully, expand during erection, and its musculature helps the penis to make positional adjustments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD2yW7AaZFw

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:54:43 2016 No.8240049 >>8240008 >circumfetishists Thanks for putting a nail in this frauds coffin

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:57:46 2016 No.8240055 >>8239723 What about people that are cut and don't use lube? Your argument isn't that great

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:58:04 2016 No.8240056 >>8240042 Leave 4 chan forever you wanna be edgy redditor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:59:09 2016 No.8240060 >>8238725 It actually gives you 20% less chance of contracting aids

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 22:01:22 2016 No.8240066 >>8240060 Where did HIV come from? Why hasn't it been cured yet? Does that 20% only apply to people who don't wash their penises after sex?

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 22:04:02 2016 No.8240070

>>8240055

There are different levels of tightness when it comes to circumcision.

The tightest circumcisions completely eliminate the gliding action during erection, by putting the remaining penile skin "on the stretch" (in the words of Dr. Edgar Spratling, quoted below). Looser circumcisions still permit some degree of skin mobility during masturbation.

>In all cases, taken as they come, circumcision is undoubtedly the physician’s closest friend and ally, offering as it does a certain means of alleviation and pronounced benefit, granting as it does immunity from after-reproach. Those cases in which the glans presents a moist, semi-oily appearance, with papillae strikingly developed about the corona, long thickened foreskin, pliant and giving, large and often tortuous dorsal veins, go to make up a picture that is exceedingly tempting to the surgeon’s scissors.

>The whole operation, when the scissors and continuous suture are used, takes only four to six minutes – and time is a great consideration, especially in the case of the insane, even though local anaesthetics may be used. To obtain the best results one must cut away enough skin and mucous membrane to rather put it on the stretch when erections come later. There must be no play in the skin after the wound has thoroughly healed, but it must fit tightly over the penis, for should there be any play the patient will be found to readily resume his practice, not begrudging the time and extra energy required to produce the orgasm.

Spratling, EJ. Masturbation in the adult. Medical Record, Vol. 48, 28 September 1895, pp. 442-3

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 22:13:00 2016 No.8240086 >>8240044 Thanks for this video, question where he mentions the eye starts at 14. :)

Anonymous Sun Jul 31 22:39:04 2016 No.8240128

>>8238725
You should begin foreskin restoration.

What foreskin restoration won't do:
it won't replace the erogenous tissue lost in the foreskin. It also can't replace the frenulum or ridged band (although these features can be replicated in surgery after finishing restoring, but this is not necessary). It also won't look as good as a natural foreskin.

What foreskin restoration will do:
It will allow your glands to dekeritanize so they become like mucosal skin again (I have heard about men who had their first fully body orgasm after dekeretanizing). It will allow make masturbation easier. And the sliding and bunching action of the skin will make sex more comfortable for your partner. It may seem like there is no point in restoring, but it not only will make things more pleasurable for you, doing something proactive will actually help overcome feelings of depression. It takes years, so its better to start now than just waiting years and still feeling bad. Finally, you can start feeling the benefits while you are only half way or a quarter way done.

http://www.norm.org/whyrestore.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB1ImTi5YLs

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 23:06:29 2016 No.8240162 >>8240128 >glands *glans

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 23:07:44 2016 No.8240164 >>8240128 I second this. I actually restored my foreskin when I was 11 years old. There was a big improvement in general comfort and sensitivity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 23:59:06 2016 No.8240212 >>8240128 >>8240164 what did you use for restoration?

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 00:08:45 2016 No.8240228

>>8240212
I used tape methods, because I didn't really have a way of getting a device. The main methods I used were cross taping and ring taping. All it takes is a roll of medical tape and time. I just applied it every morning and night for a little over a year.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 00:19:27 2016 No.8240240 [DELETED]

>>8240212
>>8240212
You can use you own hands (Manual Tugging). There are instructions in the link I put below under Manual Tugging Methods that you can start doing right now. After a few sessions, the skin starts to loosen and lengthen temporally; more than you may think. It's encouraging to see.

You can also use a buy a device or make one yourself.
Devices like the DTR or TLC are bi-directional, they pull the shaft skin forward and push the glans back. There are also air methods like the Hyperestore which inflate the skin.Weighted methods simply facilitate a weight to pull the skin down the skin. And a Tugger holds the skin and pulls it forward using a strap tied to the leg or waist.

I suggest making an account on this website as the forums contain a wealth of information on the subject.

http://www.restoringforeskin.org/public/foreskin-restoring-methods-tugging-devices

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 00:19:57 2016 No.8240241 I'm uncircumcised but have phimosis. What do?

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 00:23:15 2016 No.8240246

>>8240212
Here's some information if you're asking how to do it.

You can use your own hands (Manual Tugging). There are instructions in the link I put below under Manual Tugging Methods that you can start doing right now. After a few sessions, the skin starts to loosen and lengthen temporally; more than you may think. It's encouraging to see.

You can also use a device or make one yourself.
Devices like the DTR or TLC are bi-directional, they pull the shaft skin forward and push the glans back. There are also air methods like the Hyperestore which inflate the skin.Weighted methods simply facilitate a weight to pull the skin down. And a Tugger holds the skin and pulls it forward using a strap tied to the leg or waist.

I suggest making an account on this website as the forums contain a wealth of information on the subject.

http://www.restoringforeskin.org/public/foreskin-restoring-methods-tugging-devices

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 01:05:03 2016 No.8240292 >>8238725 >parents have doctor perform an optional surgery >blame the doctors WEW LAD

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 01:11:01 2016 No.8240306 >>8238738 I have tried suing my parents. It was a no go and the lawyer told me it was "extremely unwise and not just legally". What did he mean?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 04:53:02 2016 No.8240569 >>8240306 He's a practicing Jew.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 05:29:50 2016 No.8240614 >>8240060 Fun fact: not fucking people with AIDS makes gives you 100% less chance of contracting AIDS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 06:22:08 2016 No.8240676 >>8240614 Unrelated, but you can still get AIDs from needles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 08:07:56 2016 No.8240831 >>8240241 Look into stretching methods. If you stretch the skin for a few minutes each day eventually it will grow and become looser. Also, if it is very bad, you can go to a doctor and be prescribed steroid cream that will speed it up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 08:16:41 2016 No.8240836 >>8240676 Well then, circumcision definitely decreases the chance of contracting AIDS by getting stabbed in the foreskin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 09:50:06 2016 No.8240958 Wow does this guy suck http://www.circumstitions.com/morris.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 09:58:20 2016 No.8240965 Oh this guy: http://www.intactwiki.org/wiki/Brian_J._Morris

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 12:20:43 2016 No.8241149 >>8238725 and people wonder why I dislike religion

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 13:49:54 2016 No.8241314 File: 44 KB, 507x413, 1468518991424.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8240060 Proof?

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 13:54:42 2016 No.8241326
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>>8241149
Well muslims in Africa circumcise young girl infants with rusty blades.It's more pointless.Male circumcision could be acceptable if you have bad medical condition down under(phimosis).But don't do it with orthodox rabbies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304793/Two-babies-stricken-HERPES-ritual-oral-blood-sucking-circumcision-New-York-City.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 14:07:14 2016 No.8241348 people still mad about circumcision? for god sake, just do 1 year of dry jelq and the foreskin grow again covering you fcking precious tard dickhead

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 14:35:11 2016 No.8241397 >>8241326 Even with phimosis 2 seconds in google will tell you skin stretches like no other and it can be easily fixed with either a tool or just manual tugging daily Still don't get the jew thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 14:47:30 2016 No.8241421 >>8241348 Found the cutfag, enjoy your damaged neurons and no feel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 14:55:37 2016 No.8241440 >>8241326 hey man

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 19:48:30 2016 No.8241980 >>8241421 like i said, i practiced for a whole year 20mins of dry jelq and now my glans are covert again

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 20:15:33 2016 No.8242018

>>8241980

There is no good evidence that jelqing is safe (in fact there are many, many reports of men who have experienced serious side effects form jelqing).

And covering the glans isn't all the foreskin does. Even if your glans is covered again, it's not the same as if you had been left intact.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 20:41:40 2016 No.8242044 >>8239131 Only in the West then, lolol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 20:59:49 2016 No.8242066 >>8238725 ah, so no one told you the 90% sensitivity loss is a meme, did they?? ah, ok, carry on with your shitposting then.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 21:06:01 2016 No.8242079

this entire argument is cringy as fuck. no one gives a shit and people who actually make a big deal out of it are fucking autistic. There are many women who have attested to seeing an uncircumcised cock and thought "what the fuck is wrong with that thing". Others enjoy it and dont care. who. fucking. cares.

My gf has a friend who is a mother and has joined this whole internet debate between moms about whether or not to get their son circumcised. She goes on and on about it. NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR DECISION NOT TO CIRCUMCISE YOUR FUCKING KIDS DICK. NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 21:22:24 2016 No.8242113

>>8238725
You are the worst kind of people. You're parents give permission to the doc to do the circumcision in the first place. So fuck with them. Don't try to sue some poor doctor who didn't know you would be a piece of shit leaf in 20 years. There is no morale basis for what you are thinking about doing. But I am sure you would win the suit. It is sicklings like you that make the world a terrible place to live.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 21:22:41 2016 No.8242115 >>8238725 I want to ask to every cutfag that was circumsized as a baby ITT: would you want to cut your foreskin as adults if your parents wouldn't have done it when you were babies?

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 21:33:35 2016 No.8242133

>>8238725
>that makes their penises lose 90% of their sensitivity
I assume you've got a loud opinions to voice on the Illuminati and GMOs and Big Pharma, and how 9-11 was an inside job as well, huh? If you want to grasp at straws you should at least be doing it through psychology here. Psychological and emotional stuntedness through early developmental trauma as seen in subject A, OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 22:31:02 2016 No.8242248 >>8242079 This post is just a smear/personal attack with no real substance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 22:45:34 2016 No.8242266 >>8239723 Who the fuck "needs" to jerk off with lube? Are Europeans this clueless?

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 22:48:59 2016 No.8242271

>>8242266

>Who the fuck "needs" to jerk off with lube?

When you get an erection and masturbate, does the skin move easily up and down?

Not all cut guys have that. A lot of guys with tight circumcisions have basically no skin mobility on their penis, so they use lube (or a piece of cloth, or something along those lines) to make up as they can for the lack of mobile shaft skin. Without this, it can be painful because it's just jerking at immobile skin and underlying erectile tissue.

Not all circumcisions are the same.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:14:01 2016 No.8242300

>>8239723
>but the fact that Americans can't even masturbate without lube should be enough evidence
American here, I've jerked raw for my entire life, and am circumcised.
Lots of Americans go raw, despite being circumcised; lube is literally a meme.

Go fuck yourself.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:21:47 2016 No.8242321

>>8242300

>Lots of Americans go raw, despite being circumcised; lube is literally a meme.

No, it's actually a necessity for men with tight circumcisions if they want to avoid pain or injury.

The skin on a tightly-circumcised penis literally does not move. It's like if you hold out your index finger and wrap your fingers of the other hand around it, then try to move it back and forth.

That's what it's like to dry fap a tightly-circumcised penis.

Wheras with loose circumcisions, it's more like wrapping your fingers around the forearm of your other arm.

Notice how the skin of the forearm easily slides?

Big difference.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:22:55 2016 No.8242324 >>8242271 Why don't they just not deathgrip?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:24:36 2016 No.8242326 >>8242321 a full-mast, my penis is tight; doesn't stop me from going raw. They're all pansies is what they are.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:31:14 2016 No.8242339

>>8242324

Even without gripping tightly, the skin of the palm catches on the tightly-stretched skin of the penile shaft and creates friction and chafing.

Also, it may be the case for many men with severe circumcisions simply cannot get enough pleasurable sensation through masturbating gently, so they may be more likely to "death grip" in the first place. I'm unaware of studies on this issue but it would be an interesting thing to study.

Rough masturbation would seem more likely in those circumcisions wherein the frenular delta was completely ablated (as the frenular area is a part of the foreskin particularly rich in gentle-touch sensitive encapsulated nerve endings).

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:32:16 2016 No.8242343 >>8242326 >a full-mast, my penis is tight; doesn't stop me from going raw. So the skin on your penile shaft, when it's erect, doesn't move at all?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:42:03 2016 No.8242356 >>8242343 There's a very slight amount of give, about the same amount as the skin on my index finger.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:52:19 2016 No.8242370

>>8242356

I see.

Personally, I would suggest you consider not dry fapping, because since you have very little skin mobility, some of the force from your hand is going to end up transferring to the underlying erectile tissue (particularly the tunica albuginea which is right underneath the skin of the penile shaft). This might end up causing your penis some damage over time. The skin of the human penis was never meant to be so tight--it's "designed" to glide smoothly up and down, such that forces against it will not pull at the underlying tissue.

You only get one penis, might as well treat it gently. Just a suggestion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 03:00:58 2016 No.8242569 >>8242370 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 03:22:18 2016 No.8242599 >>8238725 You should just treat this world with the same amount of respect that it has treated you. Just steal the biological property of others and then sell it or throw it in the garbage.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 04:44:46 2016 No.8242681

>>8242569

It's not funny.

The state of a tightly-circumcised penis is radically distorted compared to the penis's natural state.

The gliding action is an evolved function of the foreskin. The penis was meant to function with the lubricating gliding action, to make intercourse and masturbation smooth and low on friction.

Without the gliding action of the foreskin of an intact penis, the partial gliding action provided by the remaining loose skin of a loosely-circumcised penis, or some other lubrication in the stead of gliding action, forces against the penis's tight skin will pull against the skin and the tissue underlying it. The internal penile tissue was never meant to undergo such blows.

As far as injury to the tunica albuginea goes, masturbation injury is a frequent cause. El et al's large study (Fracture of the penis: management and long-term results of surgical treatment. The Journal of Trauma: Injury, Infection, and Critical Care, 2008, Vol. 64, Issue 1, pp 121-25), which examined hundreds of cases over a 30 year timeframe, found that masturbation-induced injury was the cause of a high percentage of tunica ruptures.

The rates of rupture of the tunica albuginea are not known, but most scholars considered to be a condition that is greatly underreported due to embarrassment and other factors.

In light of the mechanical distortion produced by circumcision and the fact that masturbation-related injuries are a major cause, whether rates of rupture, chronic inflammation/scarring or other disorders of the erectile tissue are higher in circumcising cultures compared to those that do not would be an area ripe for study.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 04:46:56 2016 No.8242682 >>8242681 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 06:44:28 2016 No.8242742 File: 46 KB, 250x250, 250px-079Slowpoke.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8238725 Get over it OP. There's really not much you can do except not circumcise your son. Money ain't a foreskin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 07:54:03 2016 No.8242819 File: 192 KB, 625x938, 1469787820604.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8241397 I clarify it a bit more... There is some medical condition where the one of best methods/only method for solving the problem is circumcision. >>8241440 Hello :)

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 08:03:24 2016 No.8242827

>>8242819

>There is some medical condition where the one of best methods/only method for solving the problem is circumcision.

Those cases are few and far between (could include things like necrosis of the foreskin due to extreme frostbite, etc).

For pretty much everything else there are alternatives like preputioplasty, medication, laser therapy, etc.

More info:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3329654/

Pretty much all the conditions an intact male could experience with his foreskin could also happen to a woman with her clitoral hood/labia--and yet for females, removing these parts of the genitalia is generally a last resort after conservative therapy has failed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 08:18:15 2016 No.8242840 >>8242827 Why/what are we debating then? I'm intrested in other things more actually.... Like the potention of progenitor cells,and animal human hybrids.Can you give me opinion/info about it? And why do most western people have mora dilemmas with it?

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 17:13:50 2016 No.8243792

Instead of using the argument that it's more or less sensitive and sexually pleasurable, why don't we talk about bodily autonomy and a man's right to choose? Or about how while there sometimes is a medical need for a man to have a circumcision later in life, there is absolutely no need for an infant to have the procedure? Or the fact that an infant having the procedure brings up countless more risks than an adult having the procedure like bleeding more than an adult would, being more prone to infection than an adult would, or being traumatized (because many mothers report that their infant sons have trouble latching onto a nipple and they even have spent literally days crying almost nonstop because to circumcise an infant is to put it in restraints and preform the procedure often without anesthesia.) Why is all of this less important than "I'm not as sensitive" or anything else? None of you are disturbed by the sadism it must take for a medical professional to mutilate screaming babies for a living?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 17:20:52 2016 No.8243805 >>8243792 >None of you are disturbed by the sadism it must take for a medical professional to mutilate screaming babies for a living? >(((medical professional)))

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 17:47:20 2016 No.8243853

>>8240292
Sometimes it's not an option. Sometimes they don't even ask, they just take your baby and have it done without your consent because it's considered as standard practice as cutting the umbilical cord. Sometimes even older babies are circumcised without parental consent. They even make shirts you can put on your baby that say "DO NOT CIRCUMCISE, WE WILL SUE YOU!" because in some places those are absolutely necessary.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 17:53:01 2016 No.8243862

>>8240008
Just throwing out there that this would be a reason to OPT for circumcision, not a reason to circumcise at birth against the will of the the person being circumcised. This is an issue of bodily autonomy and choice, not exclusively about sex. We can't let sexual preferences influence our politics any more than we can let religion influence them.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 18:04:21 2016 No.8243895

>>8239678
>Doesn't understand that conversations about circumcision are conversations about bodily autonomy
>Attempts to make pro-snip argument while effectively making PRO-CHOICE argument.

This is a reason why circumcision should be a choice, not an immediate action inflicted upon a non-consenting infant. You can still elect to get cut later on in life, that doesn't mean it should've happened (or would've been better) if you'd been cut when you were still covered in placenta. You're a grown ass person, do what you want with your wingwang. Babies on the other hand deserve that same right. To do what they please with their wingwangs when they grow up or until legitimate issues occur that actually require a snip.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 18:44:35 2016 No.8243962

>>8239065
Yes piercing your child's ear should be illegal! Especially the fucks who do that to toddlers! Any body modification is not the choice of anyone but whoever owns the body being modified. And no, that does not at all mean you have no other say as a parent, dumbass. The fact that people equate "don't mutilate your kids" with "BUY MUH RIGHT TO CONTROL THEM" is kinda fucked up. Your child is a person. It has bodily autonomy. Any time their skin is deliberately opened or punctured or removed without justifiable medical reason to do so (simple having a foreskin is not a risk at all as any population of uncut people will tell you) it is a cosmetic procedure. If you elect for your child to have a cosmetic surgical procedure without their consent, that is abuse.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 19:04:46 2016 No.8244004 American here. I met some Brits and got informed on it, come to realize how much I am missing out on. Spit on their graves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 19:05:51 2016 No.8244007 >>8244004 The graves of my parents*

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 19:07:12 2016 No.8244008 >>8244004 >muh hedonistic pleasure you can't miss something you never experienced, man the fuck up you pussy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 19:43:41 2016 No.8244075 it's fascinating to read a thread like this. I'm not smart enough to do it, but I feel like you could analyze this thread and define something really essential to the early 21st century generation

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 19:52:37 2016 No.8244091 >>8244075 >but I feel like you could analyze this thread and define something really essential to the early 21st century generation A lack of respect for tradition in favor of ME ME ME and pleasure

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 20:04:42 2016 No.8244113 >>8244008 By that logic FGM is fine if it's done on baby girls.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 20:05:44 2016 No.8244115 >>8244091 Tradition is a means to an end, not an end in itself

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 20:08:32 2016 No.8244125 >>8244115 And considering tradition the ends unto itself is the means by which the end is achieved.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 20:09:25 2016 No.8244126 >>8244125 What end is that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 20:17:36 2016 No.8244143 >>8244126 The continuation of stable society, of course.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 20:57:42 2016 No.8244219 >>8244143 What's the difference between a stable society and a stagnant society?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 21:02:35 2016 No.8244231 >>8244219 Depends on whether or not there are liberals/progressives in a country to call it stagnant, and whether it isn't keeping parity with comparable nations.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 21:08:36 2016 No.8244243

>>8244231

>Depends on whether or not there are liberals/progressives in a country to call it stagnant

Is the way you're using the term "liberal progressive" simply synonymous with those who express dissatisfaction with the status quo?

>whether it isn't keeping parity with comparable nations.

Well, on this matter, for the US to achieve social parity with comparable nations it would have to give up routine infant circumcision.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:23:10 2016 No.8244438 >>8238725 Get over it ya pansy. It doesn't physically hurt you today and you can still impregnate a girl, it's not like some major debilitating injury.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:27:46 2016 No.8244446 File: 55 KB, 600x425, mechanic.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there a way for us to construct molecules from atoms in a very precise way? Say with dozens of carbon oxygen and hydrogen atoms you could bond them into a certain protein.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:34:38 2016 No.8244458

>>8244243
>Is the way you're using the term "liberal progressive" simply synonymous with those who express dissatisfaction with the status quo?
Pretty much

>Well, on this matter, for the US to achieve social parity with comparable nations it would have to give up routine infant circumcision.
Anon, no other nation is really in the same class as America.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:36:41 2016 No.8244460

>there are actual real people that are arguing there's not a loss of sensitivity post-circumcision
you lose a lot of fine-touch receptors; you guys can feel the difference if you really lightly stroke over the circumcised bits as opposed to the uncircumcised bits, right? hell, i can SEE the delineation between scar tissue and intact skin.

whatever hygiene benefits exist are minimal, and need to be weighed against potential bodily harm resultant from circumcision (infection, poor/dysfunctional healing, etc)

if it's about hygiene, and minimizing potential skin folds for germs to thrive in, then why don't we just cut off girls' labia/clitoral hoods? same principle, right? and we could do it with the same degree of sterility we afford to any surgery in the first world.

it's a weird cultural holdout that's only big in the US; i resent my parents for doing it to me, and i won't let it happen to any son of mine

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:54:35 2016 No.8244493

>>8238725
HOW CAN SOMETHING DONE TO ME BE WRONG IF IT WAS DONE BY MY LOVING PARENTS

I WILL GET MY CHILDREN CIRCUMCISED TOO BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT WOULD MEAN IT IS WRONG AND SOMETHING WRONG WAS DONE TO ME AND THAT CANT BE THE CASE BECAUSE MY PARENTS LOVED ME AND I LOVE MY CHILDREN SO I WILL DO IT TO THEM

MUH COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 06:27:30 2016 No.8245173 >>8244091 >respecting jewish traditions

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 06:44:37 2016 No.8245206 >>8244493 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSWbTv3hng Here you go.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 07:49:33 2016 No.8245295 hey op good on you, more people need to stand up against this

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 08:15:16 2016 No.8245322 >>8245173 In the US it was actually not started by Jews. It was started by Seventh Day Adventists in the late 1800s to keep young boys from masturbating.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 10:10:53 2016 No.8245473 >>8245322 >>8245206 Is quite the nail on the head

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 10:14:00 2016 No.8245476

>>8245473
>Dr. John Harvey Kellogg recommended circumcision of boys caught masturbating, writing: "A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering anaesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment."

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 10:38:29 2016 No.8245513 I'm already suicidal and then I just had to go and be reminded someone decided to cut my dick so some bitch could have her skin cream... Welp.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 10:41:24 2016 No.8245521 >>8245513 This is one of the main reasons why I can't sleep at night anymore.You all can take my suffering as clear evidence, that this has a significant psychological impact as well as physical.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 12:21:22 2016 No.8245695 >>8245513 >>8245521 You could try restoring your foreskin. It does not bring back nerves, but it protects your glans and inner foreskin remnant again and converts them back into mucous membranes. The skin becomes thinner and a lot of feeling comes back.

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 12:31:52 2016 No.8245714

>>8238725
It should be made illegal, yes. It'll hopefully fade over time, but it's not good enough, and enough damage has been done already. The main problem here is the psychological overhead of people who either circumcised, were circumcised, or both. The literature is full of bullshit made by these same people as well, which is a significant barrier to brute forcing common sense.

The problem with circumcision however, is it doesn't do enough. If it did, and did so in an obvious and visible sense, it would have rapidly fizzled out like the frontal lobe lobotomy fad.

I got lucky and wasn't circumcised. We should create a world where it is disallowed that people aren't dealt a proper hand.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 12:43:29 2016 No.8245750 I like how Feminism is a big thing meanwhile Male Children get mutilated and its seen as okay. lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 12:45:39 2016 No.8245757 >>8245750 I like how the effects of an amputation get framed as a "pros vs cons" dialogue.

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 12:56:18 2016 No.8245782

>>8238725
I will say as someone who also was circumcised at birth, it is very dumb. I'm not certain how much of a lose I have in feeling but I would very much liked to know. I do not know if you can sue for this, since it is so common here and is seen as normal. You could try to raise more awareness, but with the whole "anti male pro feminism" thing overtaking a lot of the population as of late many people might not care about males losing extra pleasure from sex.
>>8239723
I do not need lube but I feel almost nothing except for like, a few small areas. I am positive that circumcision is wrong.

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 14:14:48 2016 No.8245950

>>8245782
>I do not know if you can sue for this
You can't. Legally in this sense children are property. There have even been high profile cases, to my recollection, where children have been circumcised by court order in cases where the parents are divorced and one has greater custody rights than the other, and one is preventing them from being circumcised. That's called an argument over property ownership.

There was a bill in California that didn't pass either, that would have banned it. Obviously it was blocked on religious grounds, and counter legislation set it as a precedent and blocked further attempts to ban it. Or something, I don't recall.

>I do not need lube but I feel almost nothing except for like, a few small areas.
If the scar line is further down your shaft it means more of the sensitive inner foreskin was retained. Try moisturizer if you're truly not feeling anything, and bear in mind, a lot of sexual pleasure is in mindset. Even an uncut dick can feel like a numb piece of wood with a few drips of pleasure here and there, if you're in a negative mindset. If it's negative about your D specifically, it'll probably be accentuated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 16:35:37 2016 No.8246210 >>8245782 >>8245695

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 18:29:46 2016 No.8246496 >>8238725 This is a good video for anyone that wants to look into this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceht-3xu84I

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 19:09:57 2016 No.8246573 >>8246496 And this is a good video for anyone who doesn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjUCR44qZLE

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 19:11:09 2016 No.8246576

>>8243792
This. If due to some sort of fad a large number of people suddenly decided to start putting tattoos, piercings, small aesthetic scarring or other needless, but "mostly harmless" (as in doesn't inhibit everyday life too much) shit on their newborn babies, there would be a fuckhuge public uproar, but somehow mutilating children's penises is supposed to be legally and socially acceptable. Religious nutjobs and other deviants may cite their biased researches that at most only point towards very slight benefits to an otherwise healthy and hygienic penis anyways while downplaying the conflicting personal experiences of circumcised men, but we all know that in the vast majority of cases the procedure is done on a non-consenting underage individual purely because of aesthetic reasons related to tradition and religious dogma rather than valid medical reasons like phimosis.

You cut the umbilical cord for medical and practical reasons.
Your remove your hurting wisdom teeth for medical and practical reasons.
You might have to amputate non-functioning or non-important body parts due to medical and practical reasons.
You don't forcibly mutilate healthy and functional body parts because the Man in the sky told you to or because it's "in" right now. If the children end up wanting to fuck their own body up for fun or cultural reasons let them do it when they're a consenting adult, or at least old enough to be informed and capable of understanding the gravity of the permanent choices they're making. These things shouldn't be something a person can impose on another for flimsy reasons.

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 19:20:05 2016 No.8246593

>>8246576
It really is maddening the way people works. There's something embedded deep in the human psyche when it comes to genital mutilation. I don't think it's strictly cultural, culture simply potentiates it. But once it's there, that aspect of the mind is brought forth in the majority of the herd.

This is really an open and shut deal. People try to frame it as a "wellll pros and cons..." matter, for a number of obvious reasons, but some of the extreme resistance and irrational behavior you get in people... This is one of the few cases I'd say they're mentally broken, and need to be prevented from acting out their madness by force. That's the only way you rapidly stop shit like this, brute force. Illegality with penalties that go beyond jail time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 19:52:41 2016 No.8246662 File: 1.79 MB, 492x492, 1466330678419.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i seriously hope you didn't unironically not get your foreskin 3D printed and reattached along with a second spare dick attached so that you can double stuff chicks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 23:24:03 2016 No.8246924 >>8246573 I think that for a parent to give informed consent they need to be required to watch the procedure being performed, and they need to be shown the many detriments of the procedure. (>>8246496)

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 00:15:05 2016 No.8246980 >>8246924 I think it just needs to be outlawed, including for religious use. Surgeons and non-surgeons that are caught taking it underground are removed via firing squad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 00:17:05 2016 No.8246984 >>8246980 (Urologists as well)

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 00:23:20 2016 No.8246991 >>8246980 I agree, but I was talking about working within current laws that are in place. You can not have true consent without being informed. Most parents mistakenly believe that they are doing the best thing for their child. (>>8244493)

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 00:29:10 2016 No.8246993 >>8246980 >including for religious use Doesn't the first prevent that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 00:33:26 2016 No.8246996 >>8246993 Unfortunately yes. We also don't have any right to bodily integrity to use a direct contradiction.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 00:38:27 2016 No.8247000

>>8246996
>tfw the constitution is in desperate need of a total overhaul, or at the very least a very close look at its wording and what can be made less ambiguous
>it will never happen because it's held up as nearly sacred-text, handed down by the ascended demigods known as the Founding Fathers

Even speaking as a conservative, it's flatly embarrassing. We have all this constructed constitutional law based on judicial verdicts, but it will always be at odds to originalist or constitutionalist interpretation because the constitution will NEVER change.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 00:46:35 2016 No.8247002

>>8247000
Yep. Our society already fell apart in the same way all democratic derivatives, and republics always have. It gradually shifts to a mix of three states:
-Plutocracy
-Oligarchy
-Tyranny of an ignorant majority
It can be nothing else. The core documents must be revised, but you run into the same problems as communist transitions with their vanguard parties.

It really is maddening. We've built ourselves a purely abstract cage that we are collectively powerless to break out of. Everyone knows their role is broken, yet no one can change. Anything. Ever. It always requires violent revolt to tip the bucket and scramble its orderly matrix.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 00:48:39 2016 No.8247004 >>8247002 Well, hopefully the fall wont be too bloody, and hopefully civilization 3.0 will get it right. Third times the charm, after all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 01:40:23 2016 No.8247069 >>8247000 The Constitution changes. That's what amendments are for.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 01:45:26 2016 No.8247080

>>8247069
"tacking on extra wording" isn't changing the constitution, anon.

It really needs a proper 21st century update, with contemporary language to eliminate any ambiguity (based upon current and recent judicial interpretation).
I'm perfectly happy to leave the meaning and intent intact, it just needs to be updated to modern legal standards.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 02:00:35 2016 No.8247101

>>8247080

>"tacking on extra wording" isn't changing the constitution, anon.

Sure it is. How is it not? The amendments literally become part of the Constitution.

And male circumcision is actually already illegal under the Constitution. Banning female circumcision in all forms (even "ritual nicks") but allowing complete ablation of the male prepuce is a violation of the 14th Amendment...from this, the argument can be made that male circumcision is actually already unconstitutional.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27338602

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 02:05:47 2016 No.8247113

>>8247101
>Sure it is. How is it not? The amendments literally become part of the Constitution.
Stop being pedantic, you know what I mean.

"The Constitution" in general use refers to the original constitution and the bill of rights; that, in addition to latter amendments, need to be entirely rewritten in modern English.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 02:09:48 2016 No.8247118 It's a shame literature illogically claiming there's no reduction in sensation or "sensitivity" is so readily published.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 02:30:02 2016 No.8247145

>>8247113

The Amendments do change the nature of the Constitution, though. That's what they're for. And generally "The Constitution" refers to the whole thing including all the Amendments. I can see both positives and negatives to the idea of rewriting the original Constitution (and even the Amendments) in contemporary English. But anyway, we're getting far off topic here. Maybe we can leave this digression aside for the sake of returning to the subject at hand.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 02:31:56 2016 No.8247150

>>8247118

Not only published, but also so easily set upon by the media and used to write misleading articles.

Brian Earp of Oxford University wrote a great article about this recently.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-earp/does-circumcision-reduce-_b_9743242.html

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 02:40:07 2016 No.8247156 >>8247150 This guy is almost word for word using the same method of explain / arguing this that I have. Right to the removing a finger reduces the sensitivity of the hand as a whole. Weird.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 05:04:36 2016 No.8247297 >>8238769 >Study after study nice meme cite biased sources to increase it's memeage

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 07:45:17 2016 No.8247473

>>8246993
It has in the past, but female circumcision is outlawed, and that is mandated by some religions. Also, this argument could be used (>>8247101). The problem is that the practice is so culturally ingrained that people do not see any similarities between female and male circumcision.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:28:25 2016 No.8249242 >>8239802 >There are ten times as many encapsulated nerve endings in the foreskin than in the glans. >ten times Thanks mom and dad. Really, thanks. Fuck. I'm going to sue Kaiser Permanente into oblivion one of these days.

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