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How long does depression last?


Has anybody here suffered bouts of depression before?


For the past 4 years I have, it comes and goes but when it comes it hurts like a mother fucker. It hit me whwn I realized it's likely that I'll never have a girlfriend. Been experiencing sporadic heartache because of it.

My state doesn't recognize depression as a reason to get a medical card for marijuana, though it does t matter because it becomes legal in 5 days...

I don't want to smoke weed every now and then to curb it whwn it appears all my life though, fuck.

How long does depression last?

>> No.7355675

>>7355671
From my personal experience, it lasts forever. Depending on how it influences you, it can either make you an uncaring, bitter and hateful piece of shit or some kind of cuck who gets shit on but still believes that things will change one day.

>> No.7355683

>>7355675
Yeah I always put on a smile and tell people that I'm always good.

I'm just gonna put on this facade until the day I die?

>> No.7355684

>>7355671
>How long does depression last?

This is of course very individual anon. Mine lasted for seven years, untreated, it gradually went away over the course of ~2 years
when I stopped binge-drinking on weekends and immersed my self in work and education.
Basically stayed distracted so long that I no longer gave much of a fuck about anything, at times I was a lot like your png there but in the end apathy saved my life.
Today I only experience a dull pain that I can shrug off with a crooked smile anytime it rears it's ugly face.

>> No.7355686

>>7355683
Chances are your neurons in another parallel universe will form a copy of your consciousness and you will experience an infinite amount of depression. But yes, in this universe you will be depressed until you die, unless science develops new methods to make you happy 24/7.

>> No.7355691

>>7355671
Until death.

>> No.7355700

>>7355683
fucking lol

go take antidepressants

>> No.7355702

>>7355686
>>7355691
I swear I'm going to fucking kill myself when I reach my 30s, I've fucking had it with this heartache, but I don't feel like ending it quite yet I guess

>> No.7355708

>>7355702
what are you waiting for

>> No.7355709

>>7355700
I have an IQ above 16, so I won't take those. Marijuana and exercise will do the trick until I end it all in perhaps 5 years

>> No.7355713

>>7355709
if by 16 you meant an above average number then you're probably wrong

intelligence is not correlated with depression

>> No.7355723

>>7355713
I'm saying unless you have a crippling clinical depression, taking antidepressants is pants on head retarded

until they can - hopefully within our lifetime - invent some that doesn't have associated negative side effects

>> No.7355733

>>7355723
right so then why are you complaining to people

>> No.7355738

>>7355713
>intelligence is not correlated with depression

It isn't? Always seemed to me like happiness was inversely related to ones IQ .
Except for a few oddballs that grew so shrewd that they solved that equation and found true bliss.

>> No.7355807

Right now I am tasting my own homebrewed mead, it is way better than weed and the buzz is different from your supermarket beer or wine because it is fresh(2 weeks of fermentation). Really, just fucking do it, fresh alcohol is the blood of christ.

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7355823

>i can't find a gf. i'm so depressed.

>> No.7355828

>>7355671
it lasts right up until you stop being a pussy
GET
THE
FUCK
OVER
IT

>> No.7355837

>>7355671
Get off 4chan and do something productive. Not trolling.

>>7355709
Antidepressants do often work, go read something.

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>>7355671
It never really goes away, but you can mitigate it to the point you get your life back.

Yes, got hit hard at a young age. Thankfully I didn't understand the idea of suicide back then. I just wanted to sleep and never wake up because nothing was worth doing. Turns out after about a day I got hungry enough to get up and eat, thus foiling my attempt to sleep forever. It took a hellish time, but I am glad I never ended my life, because now I am living. Given how content I am now despite everything, once I have a job and move out of my parents basement I will be euphoric.

The meds stabilized me and keep me from doing something stupid. I found therapy to help a lot, as identifying why I was so sad helped, even if it didn't make it completely go away. But it was diet and exercise that got me taken off my meds. Vitamins (especially niacin) proved a cheap and healthy substitute for meds, of course working out the details with my doctor took time, but it is all good now.

Just because it feel like the end now doesn't mean you can't start a wonderful beginning later.
Trust me, you can take control of this in time with some work, and then channel it as a tool very few have.
Also this cheers me up when I get down.
http://www.sanger.dk/

>> No.7356069

>>7355671
don't be a pussy

>> No.7356074

It could be worse OP, you could be a theoretical physicist.

>> No.7356086

>>7355828
You are a dirty... stuck-up... sadistic... shit-eating, cocksucking, buttfucking, penis-smelling, crotch-grabbing, ball-licking, semen-drinking, dog-raping, Nazi-loving, child-touching, cow-humping, perverted, spineless, heartless, mindless, dickless, testicle-choking, urine-gargling, jerk-offing, horse face, sheep-fondling, toilet-kissing, self-centered, feces-puking, dildo-shoving, snot-spitting, crap-gathering, big-nosed, monkey-slapping, bastard-screwing, bean-shitting, fart-knocking, sack-busting, splooge-tasting, bear-blowing, head-swallowing, bitch-snatching, handjobbing, donkey-caressing, mucus-spewing, anal-plugging, ho-grabbing, uncircumsized, sewer-sipping, whore mongering, piss-swimming, midget-munching, douchebag, ho-biting, carnivorous, mail-order prostituting asshole!

>> No.7356091

>>7355709
Higher IQ = less EQ
Less IQ = Higher EQ

God is fair m8, having a woman do not make sure your happy life. Be grateful with your state now. Think what if I were born in Africa or worsen area.

>> No.7356093

>>7356086
And you, pray tell good sir, are what resembles the aftermath of cephalization gone awry, for it seems that dung flows from your lips. Cease and desist these jests, I pray!

>> No.7356094

>Looking for help for depression on 4chan

>> No.7356096

>>7355671
I'm 24 and had it since I was 16. Nothing seems to help. Trying to improve your state of mind could be a bonus. I tend to feel it less if I am hanging out with friends or talking to them online. I know it feels hard to get out and do things, but being social seems to help me a lot.
It does differ from person to person, though.

>> No.7356111

OP have you tried meditation?

>> No.7356148

>>7355671

Total fucking shot in the dark here and probably stupid advice but have you tried getting more sun? My grandfather was diagnosed with SAD, which is just getting depression during the winter when there was little sun. I've noticed this in me, with my first semester grades always taking a hit despite being motivated coming in from the summer, then acing my second semester with straight A's. I've done this every year for the past 3 years and I'm thinking about trying light box therapy so I can stop this ridiculous and almost immature cycle of apathy.

But again, probably not the issue, just trying to throw shit out there.

>> No.7356150

Depression doesn't come out of the blue usually for no reason unless you bring it on yourself by constantly thinking about shit that gets you down.

Generally if you're experiencing long term depression with no real discernable reason if you try to look at your life objectively you might want to consider seeking professional help to see if there isn't an under lying problem such as a disorder that's causing a chemical imbalance. Depression medicine should realign that balance while weed will just dull everything and not do shit unless you're constantly blazed.

Lot of people in my family have depression and such problems. They all take medication for it, I don't because I don't let on to the fact that I become depressed but I also recognize and rationalize depression to where it only really affects my motivation rather than my will to live but it's still pretty hard to deal with not feeling any reason to get out of bed because of it. At least I'm still alive because of it though.

I'm not a smart fag or anything, probably dumbest person ITT just thought I'd offer something up to someone who sounded like they needed it.

>> No.7356163

>It hit me whwn I realized it's likely that I'll never have a girlfriend.
That's not depression, that's a condition called tfwnogf. There is a support group for that on this very site called /r9k/.

>> No.7356199

>>7355671
depression is just the symptom. treat the disease and off you go

>> No.7356210

>How long does depression last?

A single episode can last anywhere from two weeks (if you have depression that only lasts two weeks a pop you're a lucky fucking shitter) to the rest of your life (otherwise known as dysthymia/persistent depressive disorder).

For most people it's usually only two to six months however.

>>7355713
>intelligence is not correlated with depression

But that's wrong.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3705611/

>However, when we restricted analyses to men with no psychiatric comorbidity, there was a ‘reversed-J’ shaped association: men with the lowest intelligence had the greatest risk of being admitted with pure bipolar disorder, but risk was also elevated among men with the highest intelligence (p for quadratic trend = 0.03), primarily in those with the highest verbal (p for quadratic trend=0.009) or technical ability (p for quadratic trend <0.0001).

>> No.7356213

>>7356199
I love how people say this and then give no underlying disease process for the depression in the first place.

They don't realize that depression can be triggered by a billion and one different illnesses as well as occurring on its own.

>> No.7356231

>>7355671
Anon, try kratom for your depression. It, for a plant has many benefits and one of them being persistent anti-depressive. I hope something works for you, in my experience the moment you overcome depression and realize it, the ascension of mood can build up and snowball . Coalescing into an entire new world of possibility. Good luck.

>> No.7356236

>>7355671
In my life I've felt longer that way than I did not, so I assume it might never end for some of us. But that probably depends on the person and reason.
For me it was the realization that no matter how successful I am, how many friends I have, how much love I get, how much people respect me, how much I create, it won't make me happy, because it feels like it's not me who people see, but my "avatar", the person I designed in order to deal with this life and fit in.

You can try to "push" yourself out of depression, that works for some. Antidepressant, distractions that fully occupy your mind, short-term sleep deprivation etc. might do that.
The problem is that depressed people usually feel no motivation to do anything about it, and that it only really works if there isn't something do pull you back down soon after.

>> No.7356260

>>7355671
Man up, dimwit.

>> No.7356276

>>7355671
Go to india or africa and meet people who do not have electricity or clean drinking water. Then you will see how much you have to be depressed about.

>> No.7356279

I have found that for the intelligent and perceptive human being, there are 4 options.
-Apathy
-Madness
-Depression
-Split-minded self suppression

There is both positive and negative in every frame of one's existence. I do believe things can often be adequately reduced to dualisms. But I've found as time has went on, the negative grows and the positive in comparison gradually loses meaning or weight. I died at one point, I was dying for quite a while, and upon rebuilding part of me didn't come back. I don't really perceive that sense of dualism anymore. People ask me how I am, how my day was, whatever, and I simply don't know. It just was, I don't break things down or experience as positive and negative because it's often illusory and not actually meaningful. I also is a bad way of separating time into discrete blocks and delineating between them.

I cannot tell you how to stop feeling depressed. From your statement alone I can tell you're thinking about this all wrong however. I will say this much, don't view depression as some alien force. It's not just part of you, it is you. This is you. Figure out how this you works and how to make it be something else. If you think there's a physiological cause, attempt to remedy it obviously. But "I just feel this way because my brain chemistry is messed up, how long will it last?" makes about as much sense as "my, that orgasm felt nice but it's just because of my brain chemistry. How long will it last?" Stripping your experience of meaning when you don't like it will get you absolutely nowhere. Nowhere you'd probably want to be anyway.

Good luck. Spent my whole childhood depressed. Took me until my twenties to really starting looking at myself as something other than a machine to break down the function of, stop directly controlling (fabricating) my emotions, and admitting some buried things / trying to get to know myself. The misery is far from over, but it is "better" now.

>> No.7356288

>>7355671
>It hit me whwn I realized it's likely that I'll never have a girlfriend.
That's not depression. Depression is not just "being sad". Depression is medical condition.

>> No.7356290

>>7355671
In your situation it definitely isn't marijuana where it's at, but psychedelics. I recommend a moderate dose, let's say 3.5 grams, of psilocybin mushrooms.

>> No.7356297

>>7356276
>You can't be depressed unless you are among those who, by all metrics, are quite literally the worst off both in resources available and living conditions
>Quality of life is not discerned relative to intrinsic factors and societal ideas
>People in the impoverished conditions described cannot, and are not ever happy
>I don't understand what feeling good is
Your mindset is banal, and to be blunt, stupid. You don't see me rushing in to say "HEY EVERYONE, THINK YOU FEEL BAD? WELL HOW ABOUT YOU TRY HAVING TYPE 2 TRIGEMINAL NEURALGIA FROM AGE 13 ONWARDS. THINK YOU DESERVE TO HAVE EMOTIONS OR DESIRES NOW, GIVEN THAT THROUGH SOME PERSPECTIVES YOUR OWN CONDITIONS ARE COMPARATIVELY BETTER? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, FUCKER. YOU DON'T FEEL SHIT. YOU DON'T GO THROUGH SHIT. YOU SHOULD BE LEFT WANTING UNLESS YOU'RE PRACTICALLY LIVING IN GARBAGE AND YOU OWN SHIT, DRINKING MUD, STARVING TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CANNOT FORM COHERENT THOUGHTS, YOUR GUT IS INFESTED WITH PARASITES, AND YOU'RE IN SUCH BLIND RAW PAIN YOUR VISION IS A CONSTANT DESATURATED ADRENALINE HAZE AND YOU ARE EVEN CAPABLE OF PERFORMING COLOR CONSTANCY!!!!!!! FFFFUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKEEERRRRRSSDSADSADSA!!@W~!"

Also, what if we lived in a borderline utopian society? Would no one deserve to feel depressed? Now shush. Close your mouth, and listen. Think. Your ideas are clearly broken. You've taken the path of least resistance and mindlessly embraced something nonsensical. I hope you find your way out, because I can say nearly without a doubt you're miserable in some way.

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>>7355671
>medical card for marijuana,

This is like Brave New World

>feeling a bit off?
>don't worry, this'll take your mind off things

>> No.7356384

Hit the gym 5 days a week for 3 months, izi fix
So stop crying

>> No.7356543

>>7355671
>It hit me whwn I realized it's likely that I'll never have a girlfriend

I know what you mean, this had me pretty bummed for a while. I finally caved and got an okcupid profile, and I can't recommend it enough - it's dating on the easiest difficulty. I don't have a girlfriend yet, but I've been on a few dates and it feels fucking incredible.

>>7356290
>I recommend a moderate dose, let's say 3.5 grams, of psilocybin mushrooms

For a drug with such variable potency, I wouldn't call that a moderate dose. A whole eighth can fuck your brain for hours at a time - start with 1-1.5g or so, and do an eighth (from the same batch) if that isn't enough. Unless you've done them before and you know what to expect.

>> No.7356561

Find yourself a hobby, like growing your own fucking weed.

>> No.7356618

>>7355671
>weed
Weed doesn't make depression go away. In fact, weed can amplify depressive feelings to a high degree.
source: happens to myself.

>> No.7356667

>>7355671

Snort some Ketamine every four days and see if that helps.

http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20140923/ketamine-depression

Obviously don't go to an actual clinic for that shit unless you feel like blowing $1500 on $15 worth of Ketamine. But really if your depression is solely situational you just need to work on changing your life. Doing drugs will just perpetuate your mediocre life by making it seem more bearable

>> No.7356703

>>7355671

Exercise is #1 priority for mental health. Your body was meant to get exercise daily, it evolved that way. if you don't exercise your brain is malfunctioning.

>> No.7356751

>>7355671

had mild depression from 13 - 17 (was fatty homeschooler, got fit, went back to public school, ended up giving grad speech)
had severe depression for 6 months, just coming out of it now

i'm actually glad i went through that severe bout, i'm a much more mature and real person than most my age (21), with laser focus.

if your depression is interfering with life (overwhelming sense of hopelessness, suicidal thoughts, no energy, passion, or drive for anything) then you need to get on medication. it wont fix it, but it you'll be functional enough to do most of the real work on the depression. you'll probably need to see a therapist in addition to the psychiatrist. even if you've already told yourself everything the therapist tells you, it's good just to talk about it and have outside input on your progress.

make a routine for your days so you don't end up in bed thinking about life. depression shrinks your hippocampus, but it can be reversed, don't think your slow thinking and shit memory are permanent. do anything at all that keeps you from depressing thoughts, particularly things that are mentally stimulating and make you feel good about yourself, (i practice math on khanacademy and have been practicing n-back). your brain's learned to keep repeating shitty thoughts back to you, if you find a routine that stops it, eventually your brain wont be ready to fire off another shitty thought at a moments notice.

some other things that have probably helped, were taking fish oil, vitamin-d, and rather than using my computer alone in my room all the time, i'd use a laptop around my family, or on my deck to feel the breeze and just appreciate the fact i can see hear and feel everything (yeah, sounds sappy).

good luck bro

>> No.7356826

>>7356751
Listen to this guy.

>> No.7356858

>>7355671
It depends. part of a diagnosis for depression is the duration.
I've had it formally since 5th grade and this is my third nasty bout.

Weed seems like an awful solution. I did meet someone who said a pot/tobacco mix helped him.

>> No.7356868

>>7355738
The opposite of Depression is not happiness. The opposite of depression is good health.

>> No.7356869

1xf DMT in silent darkness

Bam, cured of depression.

>> No.7356921

>Snap out of it, bro.
>Just b urself.

>> No.7356966

Some tips:

First step to not being depressed is to not identify yourself as a depressed person. Become a spiritual person. Go learn about what the ego is.

Think about the blessings you've been given in life. You don't have a girlfriend? boo hoo, there are kids in Africa that die of horrible diseases. Btw, having a girlfriend won't make your life magically better. Only you can make yourself happy.

Be active and have a daily routine. Take action even if you don't feel like it at the moment. Take small steps towards where you want to be in life in the next few years. It'll give you a sense of accomplishment and keep your mind off unproductive negative thoughts.

Take vitamin d, I prefer cod liver oil.

If you want to meet a girl or start having fulfilling relationships in your life, learn pickup or improve your EQ.

Weed is good to ease anxiety and depression in the short run, but it fuels your depression even more if you abuse it - from my own experience. Many times I'd spend a lot of my time getting really stoned and just lying around the house all day eating garbage. Then I would just get even more depressed at how unfulfilling my life is.

Your routine of thinking about negative thoughts is a cause of your depression. You basically brainwashed yourself. Start making it a routine to think positive thoughts about yourself and the world. It'll seem weird at first. Give it time tho and it'll start not to.

>> No.7356992

>>7356210
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3705611/
That's bipolar you fuck.

>> No.7357022

>>7356966
This is either really shitty bait or some sort of groundbreaking treatment, doctor.

Die in a fire you elephant douche.

>> No.7357031

So judging by this thread it seems like depression is really really poorly understood.

Boy I'm sure glad we shill all the smart people to go into engineering and physics, medicine and law while we tell them psychology is for retards.

>> No.7357035

>>7356091

>hey man you're sad?
>think about that kid with no legs in africa! hes not sad!
>cheer up! there are people worse than you!
is this the shittiest advice ever?

>> No.7357043

>>7357035
>hey man you're happy?
>think about that guy with mansion, hot wife, millions on his bank account
>stop being happy! there are people better than you!

>> No.7357050

>>7357031
>Boy I'm sure glad we shill all the smart people to go into engineering and physics, medicine and law while we tell them psychology is for retards.

Actually it's much worse than that anon, we shill the brainpower to go into economics, business, finance and invent ever more complicated fuck-other-people-out-of-their-money schemes.

>> No.7357073

>>7357050
>Actually it's much worse than that anon, we shill the brainpower to go into economics, business, finance and invent ever more complicated fuck-other-people-out-of-their-money schemes.

Ah I see. Well that explains a lot.

>> No.7358217

>>7355671
It never fucking gets better.

I have no reason to be unhappy and I have been for 6+ years now. I don't want to take medication but I guess I might start

>> No.7358231

>>7358217
>I have no reason to be unhappy
Kek. Clearly you do, but for whatever reason you don't work toward fixing it.

>> No.7358235

>>7358231
I wanted to avoid SSRIs if I could, and I thought things were getting better for me but it was only for a little while. I'd km but I feel for my mom. So yeah, I guess I'll take them for the rest of my life ;-;

>> No.7358245

>>7358235
Gl.

How are you so sure that you've no reason to be unhappy though?

Perhaps you're just permanently sad because all you want to be is an octopus.

Are you sure there's not something you've written off as an absurd thing to be unhappy over?

>> No.7358249

Doctor here.

SSRI like citalopram usually works like a charm with probably 0 side effects.

And it's not a forever thing... it takes 2-4 weeks usually for it to cause dramatic change and with a lot of people 6 months of therapy is enough for a life time.

Best of luck.

>> No.7358254

>>7358249
Ayyyyyy
How much do you usually get for endorsing drugs doc?

>> No.7358261

>>7358217
>I have no reason to be unhappy
And yet...

I don't lie often, but I lie very well. Usually only to myself. I'm glad I never fell into that self deceiving trap. You are unhappy and it is for a reason that you have walled away or failed to uncover. The only justification for medication is to fix a physiological issue that has no other cause or remedy, you're jumping to medication because you desire to augment your capacity to function and want to experience the world differently.

Maybe you should ask yourself if you're starting in the wrong places. Pay attention to the blind spots you are reluctant to evaluate. Medication will not ever truly bail you out if you aren't willing to look.

>>7358249
These are either delusionally myopic thoughts, or disingenuous lies.

>> No.7358316

>>7356210
That's interesting to me considering I'm bipolar and have an overall IQ of 120 on the WAIS and a score of 134 on the verbal comprehension index and in the study a high verbal ability seemed to be the strongest correlation of any of the categories tested for the upper range.

>> No.7358336

>>7358261
man this is some of the best advice i've ever heard.

>> No.7358349

>>7358245
>>7358261
I'm unsatisfied with myself but a lot of people would say that's unreasonable because I'm in a pretty good position relative to most.

I'm attractive enough, managed to get into a good uni, do okay but not as great as I would like to. I'm socially inept because I spend much of my time trying to study... so I don't have any friends, and I do a bit above average in my major. I obsess about my appearance too much and I don't know why. I can't get over these flaws that no one else probably even notices. I just hate myself for so many reasons but objectively I know I shouldn't.

I should probably try CBT, but I'm scared of being told to not put so much pressure on myself because then it would make it okay to be a failure (which I realize sounds irrational but I can't help it) I'm just not content with the way that I am, and even though I'm improving myself, I don't feel any better.

>> No.7358404

>>7355671
Depression lasts as long as the circumstances that caused it are not fixed. In your casexa relationship with a girl is the cure.

>> No.7360099

>>7355671
Until you pull the trigger

>> No.7360697

>>7355671
Find some hobby or something you love to do.
Test everything you can think of and you're bound to find something that'll make you want to live just because the passion of it.
It's hard work to be happy sometimes.

>> No.7360705

>>7355671
OP, would you date a fatty? If you won't date a fatty and you're whining about not having a girlfriend then you haven't lowered your standards enough.

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>>7360099
fuck this guy.

>>7355671
Go to the Gym.
Go to a bar every now and then and talk to strangers. Make friends.
Take a bath everyday. Clean your teeth every day. Buy perfume and deodorant.
Read GoT, LoTR, watch movies. Go to the cinema.
Learn to small talk.
Learn to lie and when to say the truth.
Call someone a cunt or ass hole.
Tell a homeless man who can work to go fuck himself.
Run for mayor or president of something, do it for the lols.
Leave the false friends and family behind.
Troll /sci/, every week come here say you are something that you are not. Say that you have a 4GPA and a masters and you cant find a job. Watch the world burn.

Depression does not have to last forever. It is up to you. Find what you like.

Write a blog and buy a dog or a cat.