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6862166 No.6862166 [Reply] [Original]

How do I kill H. pylori for good in my body, I can't take this shit anymore and my doctor is a moron.

Also there should be more bio/medfags here.

>> No.6862191

>>6862166
Setting fire to your stomach would probably kill them. Would probably kill you too though so....

>> No.6862192

How exactly is your doctor a moron? You should be prescribed some basic antibiotics

>> No.6862207

antibiotics

also there's plenty of biofags here they're just outnumbered by mathfags

>> No.6862208

>>6862192
Apparently there exist antibiotic resistant strains and prescribing multiple antibiotics at once is common in such cases. Peptobismol reduces its proliferation too.

>> No.6862212

>>6862166
You don't. Even if you by some miraculous cure got rid of them, you'd be crawling with them soon enough.

>> No.6862213

>>6862208
Yea....So what exactly is the problem? Doctor sounds like he knows what he's doing

>> No.6862215

>>6862213
I'm not OP. For all we know the doctor has insisted he just use proton pump inhibitors.

>> No.6862231

>>6862215
>he just use proton pump inhibitors.
Yes this.

>> No.6862235

Dumb Doctor stories?
> Have weird neurological symptoms, including trigeminal neuralgia, muscle fasciculations, phantom burns and shocks, etc.
> Also have severe kyphosis
> I've decided it could be MS, ALS, my scoliosis pinching a nerve, Lyme Disease, etc.
> Get blood tests and shit from primary doctor
> Clean
> See Neurologist
> Describe all symptoms in detail, mention that they are sporadic, write down that father has an ongoing diagnosis that was at once MS and is now Fibromyalgia
> He doesn't even look at the papers I filled out
> Runs basic motor tests
> "Well, I can't see muscle twitching now and there is no weakness, so come see me in a few months"
> Seems to think I am just trying to get prescription drugs because I joked about how the barbiturates they gave me for my neuralgia made me feel

Fucking damn it. Shouldn't he have sent me to get a brain scan or something? At least a spinal x-ray or something to see if shit is being tugged on by my scoliosis?!

>> No.6862244

>>6862235
>Fucking damn it. Shouldn't he have sent me to get a brain scan or something? At least a spinal x-ray or something to see if shit is being tugged on by my scoliosis?!

Welcome to the AMA/FDA monopoly.

Welcome to government/corporate medicine.

This is the life you chose.

>> No.6862251

>>6862231
So go to another doctor or explain that you would rather try a regiment of antibiotics.

>> No.6862257

>>6862251
Does a doctor have to do what you say?

If you ask him to run more tests can he refuse?

>> No.6862259

>>6862244
I didn't choose it. I'm only 23 and in my second year of college. I have yet to do anything that really affects the world.

How is the AMA/FDA monopoly actually affecting me, by the way? At least, in this specific case. You can give a broad reason if that's all you have, though.

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6862262

>>6862259
>How is the AMA/FDA monopoly actually affecting me, by the way?
You just explained it for yourself.

Your doctor doesn't actually have to treat you, the consumer, he just does the minimal amount of work. He doesn't get paid for curing you.

We live under a fascist medical cartel, as opposed to a free market in medicine, pic related.

>> No.6862267

>>6862257
He should at least entertain your suggestions of extra tests. It's not like he would be paying for them anyways.

>> No.6862269

>>6862262
Aaaah, I see. So basically, if I want to live, I have to be stern and assertive with my Doctors and demand the treatment I need. Good to know.

>> No.6862273

>>6862257
I don't know but unless he has a good reason for withholding antibiotics then you should take it up with someone else.

>> No.6862275

>>6862269
>I have to be stern and assertive with my Doctors and demand the treatment I need. Good to know.
Basically yes.

I've been through countless doctors in this country and it's almost impossible to find a good one that knows what he's talking about and actually wants to cure you.

>> No.6862277

>>6862166
>How do I kill H. pylori for good in my body, I
no easy way anon, the cost of the teeny tiny gun and bullets makes the cure way too expensive.

the best results are from combo antibiotics immediately followed by intense broad spectrum pro-biotic treatment. fecal transplant if possible.

>> No.6862279

>>6862273
>>6862267
If you wanted to pay for certain tests for yourself can you?

You should be able to though, what kind of piece of shit would say you shouldn't.

>> No.6862293

>>6862275
Yeah, man. I was used to my Dad doing all the yelling and bitching when I was a kid. I had a long depressive episode after moving out and only recently found a primary a year or two ago. I had no idea how cruel, cold, and incompetent the medical field could be until I started getting bounced from doctor to doctor because a secretary didn't want to do extra work due to a mistake they'd made. (It's always the fucking secretary.) And then the doctors! I like my primary and my neuro as people, but I am kind of shocked that, after 10+ years of schooling, they STILL don't know much science. It's like all they do is use sub-par inductive reasoning with a hint of macrobiology and oodles of pharmaceuticals to diagnose and treat people. Not only that, but they are hardly ever willing to consider diagnoses that are less likely or even try to rule them out. How can we call people who operate in such a limited, predictable fashion Doctors?!

>> No.6862296

>>6862293
THIS

>> No.6862378

>>6862293
I'm a med student.

Doctors get a jack of all trades education from med school, there's no fucking time to focus on anything ever because you jump from subject to subject all the fucking time. Once out of medschool they have to develop their clinical routine(which again, is inadequately provided by school) so they don't get fucked over because they forgot to follow some protocol.

With limited hospital resources you can't also just randomly drop MRI scans and expensive lab tests on people. Also there's so many dumb fucking patients around that you quickly start to dismiss any of their own attempts to diagnose themself.
Also overwork. If you have 15 minutes per patient, including paper work you'll let someone else investigate minor details. If you're a specialist and get a referral with a primary suspicion or major symptom you try to confirm or rule out the bad stuff, then don't give a fuck about the rest that only may be something.

>> No.6862396

>>6862378
I'm pretty sure phantom shocks/burns in the extremities, trigeminal neuralgia, and muscle twitching warrant some curiosity. It would hardly be "random" to run some tests.

>> No.6862458

>>6862166
turmeric suppresses it

this isn't a "herbal remedy", there are peer reviewed studies supporting it

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12553052

it is not enough to eradicate it, you would need a course of antibacterials and proton pump inhibitors over a long period of time and improve hygiene in general to lower the risk of re-infection, which is a problem

>> No.6862467

>>6862293
doctors also have to be administrators in a way, guiding the patient through the system, yet they aren't trained to do this

I suppose this adds to the training workload and it is difficult to tell whether measures actually have a positive effect in such a clusterfuck which is already weighed down by bureaucracy

That is the point though, an attempt to help doctors sort out this mess.