Science confirms Male orcas are NEETS

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>A study of orcas in the North Pacific has revealed that mothers make a "lifelong sacrifice" for their sons.

>Rearing a son significantly reduced a female killer whale's chance of reproducing in the future.

>The energy they need to feed sons appears to compromise their health, leaving them less able to reproduce and raise other young.

>"Mothers sacrifice their own food and their own energy," said Prof Darren Croft from the University of Exeter.

>From their years of studying killer whale interactions, scientists already knew that mothers and sons "hung out" together well into the male's adulthood.

>"They'll even feed their sons salmon they catch," explained Prof Croft, whereas adult female offspring will hunt independently.

>This could, the researchers think, be a kind of evolutionary "bet-hedging", driven by the fact that the biggest, oldest males go on to father many offspring.

>"If a mother can get their son to become that big male in the population, then he's the one that will sire [much of the next generation]," explained Prof Croft.

>It may seem paradoxical that such powerful, intelligent animals remain dependent on their mothers through their lives, but it appears that males simply don't have to become independent, because their mother remains by their side.

>"If my mother cooked my dinner for me every night, perhaps I just wouldn't learn to cook my own dinner," joked Prof Croft.

>"But, indirectly, it does seem to be in a mother's interest."

[Anonymous No.15188435]

>>15188432

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64559047

Killer whale moms literally feed their sons tendies all day long while their sons NEET

[Anonymous No.15188446]

>>15188432
>>This could, the researchers think, be a kind of evolutionary "bet-hedging", driven by the fact that the biggest, oldest males go on to father many offspring.
What a shit explanation. Any mammal with alpha male interactions would benefit from this but it's seen nowhere else.
Also it's not "evolutionary bet hedging" it's "gene propagation bet hedging"... figures an idiot would get that wrong.

[Anonymous No.15188498]

Kek

[Anonymous No.15188544]

We should take more inspirations from nature just saying

[Anonymous No.15188548]

Make me breakfast and iron my shirt, mam. I have a sex date with Stacy today.

This is me

[Anonymous No.15188609]

>>15188432

Seems like a corollary to the "sexy son" hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexy_son_hypothesis

[Anonymous No.15188648]

>>15188446
the behaviour likely isn't instinctual, orcas are turbo-smart and likely capable of seeing the alpha male concept in action, and then able to act on that knowledge.

[Anonymous No.15188654]

>>15188432
do they have oedipus complex?

[Anonymous No.15188666]

Wagies are crying, mommy's healthy little boys are rising

[Anonymous No.15188718]

>>15188432
>joked Prof Croft
Haha the distinguished professor joked!

[Anonymous No.15188905]

>>15188432
These explanations always seem to miss the mark for me.
Yes, there is probably some evolutionary advantage and that's why this behaviour can persist. But the orca mommy isn't weighing up the pros and cons of different evolutionary strategy for the species as a whole. She catches fish for her enormous son because he is mommy's special boy and she loves him.

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>>15188905
Nope the Orca mom is using her big brain to realize only the kids with the most resources is going to survive late stage capitalism.

[Anonymous No.15188947]

>>15188916
>late stage capitalism

[Anonymous No.15189071]

>>15188432
meanwhile american moms kick their kids out at 18 or send them to die for israel

[Anonymous No.15189098]

>>15188905
this

[Anonymous No.15190446]

>>15188905
>evolutionary advantage
There is no literal meaning behind this phrase because evolution does not have goals.
You mean to say "gene propagation advantage"
>evolutionary strategy
same

[Anonymous No.15190627]

>>15188446
Other animals with alpha male interactions don’t typically live 70 years and have a brain the size of a watermelon

[Anonymous No.15190632]

>>15190627
my brain is far larger than that.

[Anonymous No.15190638]

>>15190446
Autism.

[Anonymous No.15190697]

>>15188432
This shit is resonating powerfully with me. So I have a chance of becoming a high quality man after all?

[Anonymous No.15190756]

Bros...

[Anonymous No.15190768]

>>15190756
my god

[Anonymous No.15190771]

>>15188905
Sayinf a behavior is "evolutionary" is a tautology given that all behaviors are "evolutionary"

[Anonymous No.15190774]

>>15190768

[Anonymous No.15190782]

>>15190446
Evolution is driven by gene propagation.

[Anonymous No.15190783]

>>15190774
That eye is scary

[Anonymous No.15190786]

>>15188432
>It may seem paradoxical that such powerful, intelligent animals remain dependent on their mothers through their lives
Normie hands typed this article.

[Anonymous No.15190800]

Who's the ultimate cuck now? Thats right its orca mums.

[Anonymous No.15190830]

>>15190783
that is the eye of a cetacean that has seen some shit

[Anonymous No.15190834]

>>15190830
Vietnam eye

[Anonymous No.15190839]

>>15190800
Pic related.
>>15188432
Literally me.

[Anonymous No.15190843]

>>15190774
Are these animals smoking pot all day?

My god, their eyes are red, and their pupils are huge.

Hahahahahaha.

Also, Orcas are apparently on team #Blueeye

[Anonymous No.15190871]

>>15190843
This morning I woke up with shit in my eyes and I couldn't keep them open. Completely red.
Why did the killer whale in the video manage to keep her eyes wide open even though they were red?
It's no laughing matter and the comparison makes sense. The irony of nature is ruthless.

[Anonymous No.15191002]

>>15188435
Tendies are goyslop. Time to abandon that term. Reddit has appropriated it and they can have it. Real mothers feed their sons ribeyes or salmon.

[Anonymous No.15191033]

>>15190782
>Evolution is driven by gene propagation.
No it's not. If anything, it's "driven" by gene frequency changes. Genes can do the opposite of propagate (ie be culled from a population) and evolution by definition still occurs.

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>>15191033
evolution is inbreeding

[Anonymous No.15191061]

>>15190774
This is actually really depressing. The sea lion knows it's fucked.

[Anonymous No.15191074]

>>15191033
>Genes can do the opposite of propagate
That's devolution, the literal opposite of evolution.

[Anonymous No.15191097]

>>15191002
REAL mothers feed their sons seal and penguin

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>>15190834
thousand wave stare

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>>15190774
>>15191061
Where's the pepe version of this

[Anonymous No.15191132]

>>15188432
male orcas are bigger and stronger than females... Making sure they are big and strong could also help them take on bigger prey.

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>>15190756
>>15190768
>>15190771
These fuckers absolutely would’ve risen to be the dominant species long before primates learnt to put a sharp rock on a stick if it weren’t for the fact they live in the sea

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>>15188432
>tfw no orca mommy to feed me tendies

[Anonymous No.15191488]

Imagine being an apex predator and yet relying on your mom for literally everything.

[Anonymous No.15191643]

>>15190632
Thats why you live in your mom's basement

[Anonymous No.15191647]

>>15190446
Evolution is the goal

[Anonymous No.15191678]

>>15191122

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>>15191678
kek, saved

[Anonymous No.15191781]

>>15191196
You have no idea

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2) Koob, George F. Encyclopedia of behavioral neuroscience. Elsevier, 2010.
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5) Roth, Gerhard, and Ursula Dicke. "Evolution of the brain and intelligence." Trends in cognitive sciences 9.5 (2005): 250-257.
6) The Social Intelligence of Orcas and Communication (orcanation.org)
7) Justin Gregg - Are dolphins really smarth? The Mammal Behind the Myth.
8) Abramson, José Z., et al. "Imitation of novel conspecific and human speech sounds in the killer whale (Orcinus orca)." Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences 285.1871 (2018): 20172171.

[Anonymous No.15191782]

>>15191196
9) D. Foote et al. 2016. Genome-culture coevolution promotes rapid divergence of killer whale ecotypes. Nature Communications volume 7, Article number: 11693 (2016)
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11) Whitehead, Hal, et al. "Culture and conservation of non-humans with reference to whales and dolphins: review and new directions." Biological Conservation 120.3 (2004): 427-437.
12) And Now, the Tender Tale of the Orca Swimming Around With a Dead Fish Balanced on His Nose - Matt. Baume, 2022 (thestranger.com)
13) Guinet, Christophe. "Intentional stranding apprenticeship and social play in killer whales (Orcinus orca)." Canadian Journal of Zoology 69.11 (1991): 2712-2716.
14) Lopez, Juan Carlos, and Diana Lopez. "Killer whales (Orcinus orca) of Patagonia, and their behavior of intentional stranding while hunting nearshore." Journal of Mammalogy 66.1 (1985): 181-183.
15) Foote, Andrew D., et al. "Genome-culture coevolution promotes rapid divergence of killer whale ecotypes." Nature communications 7.1 (2016): 1-12.
16) PJ Nico, Cheryl A. Tosh, and Aleks Terauds. "Killer whale ecotypes: is there a global model?." Biological Reviews88.1 (2013): 62-80.

[Anonymous No.15191806]

>>15191781
>Are dolphins really smarth?

[Anonymous No.15191837]

>>15191196
Would creating a crisper baby with an orca brain be taking science too far?

[Anonymous No.15191855]

>>15191837
I don't yes

[Anonymous No.15191993]

>>15191781
The eden killer whales is one of my favourite historical stories. Old Tom deserved better

[Anonymous No.15192322]

>>15191993
Respect

[Anonymous No.15192670]

>>15191488

literally me

[Anonymous No.15192836]

>>15191074
>That's devolution, the literal opposite of evolution.
Take bio 101

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology)
"It is possible for small changes (such as in the frequency of a single gene) to be reversed by chance or selection, but this is no different from the normal course of evolution and as such de-evolution is not compatible with a proper understanding of evolution due to natural selection"
Culling genes is normal evolution. This is trivial. Saying it's the opposite of evolution comes from a not having a proper understanding of evolution.

>>15191647
Evolution has no goals

[Anonymous No.15192915]

>>15188648
>>15188446
the simplest explanation is cultural.
animals pass on social things. so long as it doesn't kill them off they can do whatever. they can also vary between groups and extended families, as they do with their languages. what makes more sense, the faculty of language learning a pattern according to input, developmental and otherwise. or simple 'instinctive' call-language that remains fixed despite a spectrum of variation between populations of apparently the same species?

asserting muh evolution over every little thing is stupid when variation in behaviour is socially explainable and social explanations are more robust because the social is a range of potential behaviour bounded by biology. we know things aren't like programmed robots. being fixed just doesn't work.

it's likely this orca behaviour isn't universal or universally the same level of dependence. the male orcas can, after all, survive on their own. even as adults they would suck at hunting but would learn. a period of vulnerability that likely most would survive since they're not totally unfamiliar with hunting.

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>>15188432
Orcas are interesting because they have some of the most complex social structures among mammals and also are matriarchal. Their groups are called pods and are led by a matriarch.

This article is retarded because if orca pods are led by a matriarch then no shit offspring would stay with their mothers. Males also weigh more than females and thus require more caloric intake. It's like the author didn't even bother to read the wiki page or other summary source.

[Anonymous No.15192972]

>>15191488
Orcas are social creatures.
Orcas are matriarchal.
(You) are an idiot.
Put 2 and 2 together.