/sfg/ Spaceflight General:

[Anonymous No.12594500]

SKRTT SKRTT SKRTT KABOOM edition
Previous Thread: >>12591867
>Virgin Orbit is no longer an orbital virgin
>Artemis 1 is going to be launched despite a fucked engine
>Starship SN9 needs new raptors
What next?

[Anonymous No.12594506]

>>12594469
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12594507]

Fuck boing and fuck urf

[Anonymous No.12594519]

>>12594500
Worlds most autstic dashcam.

[Anonymous No.12594523]

>>12594500
Texas giving Tim a hint

[Anonymous No.12594524]

>Orion power module
>RS-25
>SRBs
Which one will mess up Artemis 1?

[Anonymous No.12594529]

Hey, it worked.

[Anonymous No.12594532]

5th for Krystal
I can't believe she cheated on Tim with Elon

[Anonymous No.12594533]

>>12594500
The virgin Tesla vs the chad Volvo

[Anonymous No.12594535]

ALSO Rocketlab launch has been pushed back to the 19th

[Anonymous No.12594536]

>>12594532
don't get this thread nuked

[Anonymous No.12594537]

>>12594529

[Anonymous No.12594541]

>>12594532
Cut that out. I just made this thread.

[Anonymous No.12594543]

>>12594535
Nextspaceflight says the 20th, unless you mean the 19th on the west coast

[Anonymous No.12594545]

Have a nice vacation

[Anonymous No.12594546]

>>12594543
ah woops, yeah looking at PST

[Anonymous No.12594550]

Imagine venture star with sls funding

[Anonymous No.12594551]

The worst part about furries is that they feel compelled to display their fetish at every opportunity rather than just engaging in the thread topic like normal people.

[Anonymous No.12594553]

>>12594545

[Anonymous No.12594556]

>>12594551
Stop giving that thing any attention. Just report.

[Anonymous No.12594557]

>>12594550
Imagine...

[Anonymous No.12594562]

>>12594506
Certainly not what you think anon, you dummy!

[Anonymous No.12594563]

>>12594551
You spelled best wrong

[Anonymous No.12594564]

>>12594529
I hate asymmetrical things.

[Anonymous No.12594566]

[Anonymous No.12594568]

>Elon is Krystalposting again

[Anonymous No.12594570]

>>12594566
What's that loose metal that falls from the lip on the left when the legs deploy?

[Anonymous No.12594574]

>>12594500
SLS will launch. And, it unironically will reach orbit before Starship, and before New Glenn. And there's nothing you can do to stop it.

[Anonymous No.12594581]

>>12594564
That's easy bro just launch two lmoa

[Anonymous No.12594583]

>>12594566
>virgin RS-25 aborts because the thermal insulation got a little toasty
>chad Raptor ignites everything under the skirt on every flight, including itself

[Anonymous No.12594585]

>>12594574
>it unironically will reach orbit before Starship
Too early to call, given the uncertainty in both development programs right now.
>and before New Glenn
Correct

[Anonymous No.12594586]

>>12594574
Must I?

[Anonymous No.12594588]

Does RealEngines by Alcentar work in KSP 1.11?

[Anonymous No.12594589]

[Anonymous No.12594590]

>>12594574
>And there's nothing you can do to stop it.
I don't have to, it does a bang up job of that itself

[Anonymous No.12594592]

>>12594574
Starship will absolutely orbit before Artemis 1 after the failed green run test. If they redo the green run they're adding a year or more to the schedule, if they don't redo the green run Artemis 1 will be a suborbital flight.

I have no clue when New Glenn will fly because of how secretive Blue Origin is. They could whip out a fully finished New Glenn core and upper stage for hot fire testing tomorrow, who knows.

[Anonymous No.12594593]

>>12594570

could be ice from the cryogenics? does look metallic though

[Anonymous No.12594599]

>>12594564
Understandable, but sometimes it's just fine

[Anonymous No.12594600]

>>12594589
>oldspace is de-BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPFFLLLTS

[Anonymous No.12594601]

>here's your equipment bro

[Anonymous No.12594602]

>>12594529
I'm mildly surprised the military hasn't shown more interest in using 747s to launch ICBMs given that fucking Branson pulled it off. I know there's been various development programs in the past, but nothing that entered service or rate production.

[Anonymous No.12594605]

They're not seriously gonna go for SLS launch without another hot fire test are they?

Are they not at all concerned of the embarrassment of the rocket engines failing 1 minute into launch?

[Anonymous No.12594607]

>>12594532
You really weren't lying when you said you were gonna keep this up, huh?
Welp, I certainly can't stop you. Unfortunately it seems like the mods can't either.

[Anonymous No.12594610]

>>12594605
I think this is NASA's 11th hour

[Anonymous No.12594611]

>>12594605
Gotta get going before the SRB's rot

[Anonymous No.12594612]

>>12594586
Dont diss the test stand the SLS core is sitting on. That same test stand was designed and built to handle 2 Saturn 5 first stages.

[Anonymous No.12594613]

>>12594566
god I love the raptor exhaust plume. So pretty.

[Anonymous No.12594614]

>>12594601
>here's your rocket engine bro

[Anonymous No.12594616]

>>12594589
how do they not destroy that nozzle? Just pack it with a bunch of ablative shit?

[Anonymous No.12594620]

He uses too many emojis

[Anonymous No.12594623]

https://twitter.com/Virgin_Orbit/status/1350960438444511232
chase plane view of the virgin launch

[Anonymous No.12594629]

>>12594529

[Anonymous No.12594631]

>>12594620
Anybody who used emojis uses too many emojis

[Anonymous No.12594635]

>>12594581
>just launch two
for twice the price

[Anonymous No.12594636]

>>12594623
Very nice.

[Anonymous No.12594640]

>>12594602
Air launched ballistic missiles are sorta pointless. An SSBN can achieve a similarly short flight time while having significantly more warheads, being much more survivable, and able to loiter in the launch area for months.

[Anonymous No.12594641]

>>12594623

damn, air launch may well be a waste of time and money, but it is pretty sexy

[Anonymous No.12594646]

>>12594623
H-how fast was the 747 flying? And what altitude?

[Anonymous No.12594649]

>>12594623
kino

[Anonymous No.12594656]

>>12594623
This is cool and all but how is it any different from Pegasus?

[Anonymous No.12594663]

>>12594656
liquid fueled so complicated

[Anonymous No.12594664]

>>12594500
Where’s the dash on this car ...
Why does the airbags blow for a fender bender
Imagine if cars were designed to not need 2000$ worth of work for some body damage

[Anonymous No.12594673]

>>12594664
Welcome to modern vehicles where everything is designed to be as expensive as possible and cut you out of being able to repair it yourself because they are all hyper Jews that want that sweet lifetime customer service money.

[Anonymous No.12594676]

Wait NASA is using old, presumably refurbished rocket engines? Literally why? They can't just have new ones made? Why not just buy raptors from SpaceX? Is there a single logical reason they can give?

[Anonymous No.12594680]

>>12594664
>Why does the airbags blow for a fender bender
You'd be surprise at how weak some peoples necks are

[Anonymous No.12594682]

>>12594673
That’s why you buy used cars off old women

[Anonymous No.12594683]

>>12594676
Senate Launch System

Orange Rocket is just a welfare program. While pretending to still have interest in manned flight.

[Anonymous No.12594684]

>>12594676
Because Congress mandated it by law. The reason was political to prevent thousands of Space Shuttle contractors and workers from losing their jobs after the last 2011 flight.

[Anonymous No.12594685]

>>12594676

so that the state of alabama doesn't go bankrupt

[Anonymous No.12594686]

>>12594676
They do have new RS-25s made. They just don’t use them lol.

[Anonymous No.12594687]

>>12594676
The logic was that it would be cheaper to reuse older engines rather than making new ones, and honestly it wasn't a bad idea. In practice, though, keeping it dragging on forever to suck up money became the priority.

[Anonymous No.12594688]

>>12594687
The idea might have worked out but once it was setup as a cost-plus contract, there was no incentive to complete the project quickly or on budget.

[Anonymous No.12594689]

>>12594676
>Wait NASA is using old, presumably refurbished rocket engines? Literally why? They can't just have new ones made?
The plan was to have the core finished long before the production line of new engines. To keep timelines, taking museum pieces would be necessary
>Why not just buy raptors from SpaceX?
The SLS core uses hydrogen fuel not methane fuel. Also the design of the SLS was laid down before SpaceX even started
>Is there a single logical reason they can give?
SLS logic is akin to druggie logic. Only makes sense in very short-term self-destructive spans

[Anonymous No.12594690]

Perseverance Rover scheduled to land on mars in Feb 18th

[Anonymous No.12594698]

>>12594676
They already finished the new engines. They're using old ones anyways.

[Anonymous No.12594699]

>>12594689

But. I dont understand. They have had rocket engines this whole time, since like 2011? What have they been doing for a decade if these rockets existed and could fire basically whenever you filled them with fuel? Literally what were they doing this whole time? Building a box to hold shit for the rockets to fly up? How long does that take? I am very confused.

[Anonymous No.12594701]

>>12594529
Why not make a solid-fueled version of the rocket? It wouldn't carry as much payload but it could be 3d-printed and mass produced much cheaper. Turnaround time would also be quicker possibly allowing several launches per day.

[Anonymous No.12594705]

>>12594664
>imagine if cars were designed to not need $2000 worth of work for some body damage
Oh, you mean Cybertruck?

[Anonymous No.12594707]

>>12594699
You know how some construction workers stall just before the job is done in order to milk as much money as possible?

[Anonymous No.12594710]

>>12594699
> What have they been doing for a decade
"Studying and testing" the existing equipment. Also designing the new rocket first and second stages.

[Anonymous No.12594713]

>>12594646
They went up to about 36,000 ft at the top of the zoom climb, started the pitch up at 500 kt but they were below 350 kt at release.

[Anonymous No.12594714]

>>12594701
That's basically what NASA's Pegasus rocket is. Maybe Virgin thinks liquid fuel is cheaper and easier? Not sure why

[Anonymous No.12594715]

>>12594714
Pegasus costs like $40 Million per launch its expensive

[Anonymous No.12594717]

>>12594705
It will be more expensive to fix a fender bender because you can't just fill and paint the affected areas.

[Anonymous No.12594719]

>>12594699
>I am very confused.
You are in for a damn deep rabbit hole that shows how NASA should be disbanded and purged with nuclear fire as the culture it creates is toxic and likley lethal as shown by Blue Origin problems

[Anonymous No.12594723]

the lox distiller looks like some alien shit

[Anonymous No.12594727]

>>12594663
I wish they'd put out some information about their engine

[Anonymous No.12594732]

>>12594719

Is the chinese space program any better? Its painful to realize that the only reason we are making progress is that a South African businessman is really good at multitasking between his electric car/battery business and rockets.

[Anonymous No.12594735]

>>12594723

[Anonymous No.12594736]

A STARLINK LAUNCH WILL BEGIN TOMMOROW MORNING AT 0845 EASTERN TIME
THIS LAUNCH WILL OCCUR AT THE HISTORIC LC-39A AT KSC IN FLORIDA
LAUNCH THREAD WILL BEGIN AT SUNRISE
BE AWARE
NO FURRIES, JANNIES, OR UNCLEAN REDDITORS MAY ATTEND

[Anonymous No.12594739]

>>12594735
Exactly what I was thinking

[Anonymous No.12594741]

>>12594715
It's probably so expensive because NASA was heavily involved. A cheap and reliable dumb solid rocket that provides a fixed amount of delta-v shouldn't be that expensive to make.

[Anonymous No.12594747]

>>12594732
>it's painful
Yes it is. Somewhat less painful to see Bezos also in the mix.
At the risk of sounding like a faggot Musk is a godsend

[Anonymous No.12594752]

>>12594736
based, sorely need a good launch after SLS's continued madness

[Anonymous No.12594755]

>>12594736
Outstanding, anon. I'll be there.

[Anonymous No.12594761]

[Anonymous No.12594764]

>>12594736
Based Romeposter

[Anonymous No.12594765]

The SLS program seems like an analogy of the Trump administration. It started out with a lot of promise but ended as a miserable failure.

[Anonymous No.12594769]

>>12594741
Solid rockets aren’t cheap. The boosters in the Atlas V cost as much as a whole Falcon 1 rocket.

[Anonymous No.12594777]

>>12594765
Swamp was too deep to be drained, and the Republicans didn’t want to do it anyways as they preferred to lose forever
Plus they’d get assassinated

[Anonymous No.12594780]

>7200ft tfr in place for 3 continuous days from midday tomorrow
>Primary tfr for a launch and recovery timed for 21st between 1400 UTC and midnight
Looks like static for 18/19th and full go for launch on the 21st.

[Anonymous No.12594782]

>>12594690
OK, but what good will it actually do?

[Anonymous No.12594787]

>>12594782
Idk but it cost as much as the entire Starship development program

[Anonymous No.12594792]

>>12594782
The good immediate result will be HD pictures of Mars scenery on a daily basis. First test of a drone helicopter in another world. Various experiments and search for evidence of past life.

[Anonymous No.12594793]

>>12594687
>The logic was that it would be cheaper to reuse older engines rather than making new ones
I wonder if berger is right and the truth is actually the opposite. That NASA/Boeing use decades old and extremely complex hardware actually slowed things down. They probably would have been better starting from scratch instead of figuring out how to manipulate shuttle magic

>>12594719
>likely lethal as shown by Blue Origin problems
what exactly is this referring to?

>>12594736
nice

>>12594765
nah, shit was fucked from the start when they chose running a contractor welfare program over a fucking Saturn V 2.0 https://youtu.be/ZNZx208bw0g

[Anonymous No.12594794]

>>12594792
There is also the microphones and video from the landing.

[Anonymous No.12594795]

>Inb4 the estronaut incident means they restrict the roads more

[Anonymous No.12594797]

>>12594782
it will have a full recording of the touchdown which is sweet

[Anonymous No.12594800]

>>12594793
pic related is the welfare written into the bill

[Anonymous No.12594801]

So SpaceX can't be putting all of the work on its back forever. Is there going to be an acceleration in progress? Will they just make 1000 spaceships and be effectively a transportation company?

I mean there's going to have to be infrastructure to place in space. Will SpaceX have to make the space hotel, the habitats the mines the refineries for fuel the space elevator on the moon all on its own?

[Anonymous No.12594803]

>>12594782
Helicopter should be cool and nice hd pictures. Still not worth the price tag though, hopefully some spacex colonist kicks it over and mounts it on his wall like a trophy hunt.

[Anonymous No.12594805]

>>12594801
The goal is to make a reusable system so don't expect hundreds of Starships. They are only producing a ton of prototypes right now so they can test and move on the next test article quickly if the current one RUDs

[Anonymous No.12594810]

>>12594801
/biz/ here. We're furiously speculating on every company halfway related to SpaceX and Starship. If some investor can pitch a space hotel to Cathie Wood, you bet your ass hundreds of millions in ARKX dollars will flow in.

[Anonymous No.12594811]

>>12594801
It's gonna be SpaceX vs Chinkland, maybe we get some new players or boeing gets gutted and rebuild in a less shitty way

[Anonymous No.12594815]

I want to fuck a dragon so bad. I'm not a furry though. It's just something about the strength, power, and beauty of dragons that just gets me excited. I want to conquer it, with my dick.

[Anonymous No.12594816]

>>12594801
>So SpaceX can't be putting all of the work on its back forever
Yes it can. SpaceX is going to be the Amazon of space colonization/exploitation. After the IPO they'll easily have the funding to do it too.

[Anonymous No.12594825]

>>12594810
that's pretty cool. Starship is so revolutionary that no one is really sure what to make of it yet. But it's clear that some are going to get very rich riding this new wave.

[Anonymous No.12594828]

>>12594816

>making SpaceX a publicly traded company

I don't know if I like the sound of that anon. Nor do I like the idea of them getting too comfy in a monopolistic position. These starships should only be the beginning.

I just hope they can demonstrate that you can make ridiculously cheap dragon dildos in space compared to earth for guys like >>12594815 so theres a strong profit motive for other companies to want to get in on the action.

[Anonymous No.12594832]

>>12594810
Starship needs to go orbital a couple of times before any company is making serious plans. But yes, this general and it's autism about space companies has the potential to make a lot of anons seriously rich with some prudent investments.

[Anonymous No.12594834]

>>12594828
Good point. Musk will probably keep the core SpaceX company private but spin off segments like Starlink as they become operational. Starlink IPO alone is going to be huge.

[Anonymous No.12594836]

>>12594810
>We're furiously speculating on every company halfway related to SpaceX and Starship.
Easily the smartest thing /biz/ has ever done.

[Anonymous No.12594837]

>>12594723
They should use this as the launch klaxon
https://youtu.be/HEC3zXbqZ4A

[Anonymous No.12594838]

>>12594828
Even public, if Elon remains in control of 50.1% of shares, SpaceX wouldn't really have to change aside from some extra SEC filings.

>>12594832
True so far; the main investments are mainly satellite companies (and the SRAC/Momentus space tugs) benefiting from Falcon 9. Interest rates being what they are though, investors can easily look a few years ahead.

>>12594836
Let me tell you about a little project called ChainLink...

[Anonymous No.12594841]

>>12594834

Obviously nobody cares what I think but I do wonder if a solid idea would be to have SpaceX basically manufacture and sell starships to companies + offer their flight expertise and focus on the next most efficient platform starship 2 etc. Getting bogged down in a million different projects could bloat a company to death like GE for instance.

[Anonymous No.12594848]

>>12594834
>Starlink IPO alone is going to be huge.
also hugely political on a global scale which probably would take up way more of his time than it's worth.

[Anonymous No.12594851]

It's been an eventful weekend.

[Anonymous No.12594853]

>>12594664
>Where’s the dash on this car ...
The boomer is confused, and can be easily identified by its abuse of ellipses

[Anonymous No.12594856]

>>12594616
Yeah they burn through an inch or so of ablative material, maybe more.

[Anonymous No.12594858]

>>12594848
Going to be interesting how much of the world he can actually serve. Unless he cucks and complies with local laws then at least China, Russia and India are a no go.

[Anonymous No.12594859]

>>12594810
Don't forget those north american rare-earth metal mining penny stocks

[Anonymous No.12594860]

https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1350983378963673090
Brap tomorrow

[Anonymous No.12594862]

>>12594717
implying the cybertruck will get much damage compared to the plastic shitbox that collides with it.

[Anonymous No.12594870]

>>12594500
Holy kek I saw his stream on my suggested earlier today and tuned in, and thought "holy shit he is probably gonna get hit".
Everyone kept weaving on and off the highway to get a look at Elon's rocket. It's actually kind of scary that he got hit after I thought about it

[Anonymous No.12594871]

>>12594859
Gamestop has been a banger

[Anonymous No.12594873]

>>12594858

Just sell the ground boxes under the table to shitty countries. Wha is Russia gonna do against it? Sanction SpaceX?

[Anonymous No.12594876]

is tim still married?

[Anonymous No.12594880]

>>12594574
>it unironically will reach orbit before Starship
Bits and pieces of it, sure

[Anonymous No.12594883]

>>12594876
No; divorced after he caught his wife molesting their son.

[Anonymous No.12594886]

>>12594876
To some kinda blue fox thing I hear

[Anonymous No.12594888]

>>12594873
They can cancel Tesla in their countries. No imports, no sales, no superchargers. China in particular can yeet his latest gigafactory.

[Anonymous No.12594889]

>>12594592
>if they don't redo the green run Artemis 1 will be a suborbital flight
Why

[Anonymous No.12594891]

>>12594889
>shutdown 67 seconds into flight because they didn't test their fix
>ride SRBs until burnout and fire the LES
Here's you're Artemis 1 bro

[Anonymous No.12594896]

>>12594801
Better in the hands of Musk than yellow or long nosed gentlemen.

[Anonymous No.12594898]

>>12594891
Bro you don't understand but what if it works bro seriously bro give Artemis 1 a chance it'll prove you wrong bro I swear it Big Jim will be avenged

[Anonymous No.12594900]

>>12594570
Looks like a little square of metal that got trimmed off of something and dropped and forgotten about lol. Just debris, nothing to worry about.

[Anonymous No.12594901]

>>12594898
it's not gonna work bro it's a Boeing product without integrated software testing like Starliner, using temperamental decades old Shuttle engines

we could have had the F-1B flying by now for a Saturn derived SLS, the design was cheaper and better in every way

but Richard Shelby killed that dream, never forgetti

[Anonymous No.12594906]

>more powerful than SLS
>more flight time than SLS
Never let the NASA shills memory hole with their 'most powerful rocket' bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12594911]

>>12594616
>>12594856
Actually there's no purpose-installed ablative material in those SRB nozzles, they're made of steel only. During the burn the exhaust abrades away over an inch of steel from that nozzle.

[Anonymous No.12594914]

>>12594898
lol nice pasta

[Anonymous No.12594918]

>>12594906
This, it's bullshit that they're clinging so hard to that lie. They literally have no other metric in which SLS excels though, so I guess they're gonna go there. They should have just called it "the most powerful rocket of this millenium" or even "the most powerful American rocket of all time". Shit.

[Anonymous No.12594921]

>>12594911
wew, that's nuts

>>12594860
looks like berger was off this time. One of the NSF guys said something good last stream: "nothing is ever as good or as bad as the first report suggests"

[Anonymous No.12594926]

>>12594918
If Superheavy flies Starship to orbit before Artemis 1, what will the NASA cope be?

[Anonymous No.12594929]

>>12594602
YouTube C-5 ICBM launch.

[Anonymous No.12594930]

>>12594717
The other car will break before the chad Cybertruck even bends.

[Anonymous No.12594932]

>>12594723
is the lox distiller something they made or bought?

[Anonymous No.12594936]

>Jim "Big Jim" Bridenstine will step down as NASA administrator on the 20th
Lets write him a farewell letter one word at a time, I'll start:

Dear,

[Anonymous No.12594937]

>>12594936
;_;

[Anonymous No.12594941]

>>12594936
BIG

[Anonymous No.12594943]

>>12594941
MEATY

[Anonymous No.12594944]

>>12594926
I think most people in nasa will smile internally. They themselves will forever be caged due to politics and greed, but at least they know that out there others can fly free.

It’s probably why they keep giving so many contracts to spacex. Nasa today exists only to provide spacex with some extra dough because that’s the most useful thing they can consistently do anymore.

[Anonymous No.12594945]

JIM

[Anonymous No.12594947]

birds watching them work on a nosecone

[Anonymous No.12594948]

>>12594926
>what will the NASA cope be?
"SLS and Orion are the only space components designed from the ground up to send American astronauts beyond low earth orbit"

[Anonymous No.12594949]

Just a reminder that SLS is destined for RUD

[Anonymous No.12594950]

>>12594793
>ask contractors to redo some retarded thing from a 70s design
>here’s the list of subcontractors for you to use
>then blame the contractors for delays when it’s 50% NASA’s fault for slow walking everything anyways

[Anonymous No.12594953]

>>12594948
That's not true, but NASA won't care.

[Anonymous No.12594954]

>>12594947
What's up with the fortress of doom spikes?

[Anonymous No.12594956]

>>12594949
What could possibly go wrong?

[Anonymous No.12594973]

https://www.strawpoll.me/42464845
Vote on how far Artemis 1 goes

[Anonymous No.12594978]

>>12594973
Either it flies soon and fails or it’s cancelled.

[Anonymous No.12594980]

>>12594973
>people actually voting for successful flight
Guys, you realize that the "SLS is designed to RUD" meme is a meme, right?

[Anonymous No.12594981]

>>12594973
>Artemis 1 will be successful
>3 votes

Show yourself retard niggers

[Anonymous No.12594982]

>>12594973
Boeing is elite.

[Anonymous No.12594983]

>can't have polls

Why?...

[Anonymous No.12594985]

>>12594949
I'm not gonna shit on them for not committing to a redo until they commit to not doing it. Yeah they knew fucking nothing at the press conference, but to me that means you shouldn't be committing to anything just yet, even if redoing the test is the obvious right thing to do.

[Anonymous No.12594987]

>>12594983
Looks like Jannie might have been upset with the RESULTS...

[Anonymous No.12594989]

>>12594921 Read somewhere that was Napoleon talking about first reports. If he didn't say it he should have.

[Anonymous No.12594990]

>>12594851
Body damage means the headlight doesn’t work
Ok Tesla
Can it even still drive?

[Anonymous No.12594998]

>>12594954
Guides to secure a section before welding?

[Anonymous No.12595001]

>>12594780
>static with new replacement engines find new problems so flight delayed again for new engine swap + static which finds new problems wihich findsgffgfdgd

[Anonymous No.12595008]

>>12594602
It was proven to work in the 1970s but was specifically banned by one of the arms treaties like a year later.

Iirc that treaty expired last year, so they are a possibility again. Not sure why you would want them at this point as we already have a nuclear triad that works fine.

[Anonymous No.12595009]

>>12594570
Good spot, looks like whoever did the FOD check fucked up.

[Anonymous No.12595012]

>>12594949
Obama cancelled Consteallation a DECADE ago. For a decade The United States of America had to use foreign spacecraft to get to their own space station. Half of said space station is literally a MIR II, half of their own segment has been either cancelled, or made by other space agencies. They have to use spacesuits made for Shutlle program in the eighties.
Now, more than a decade later, NASA got new spacecrafts, new spacesuits and a new rocket, that will get them back to the Moon, and NOTHING is going to get in their way.

[Anonymous No.12595019]

>>12594557

[Anonymous No.12595020]

The SLS EUS alone is supposed to cost 800 million dollars...
I guess it's a good thing they'll never make one
Also, why the fuck does the RL10 cost more than it's weight in gold?

[Anonymous No.12595022]

>>12595020
Because hydromeme.

[Anonymous No.12595023]

>>12594676
SLS was required to reuse as much hardware as possible for cost-savings (lol), RS-25 is a great engine though and has been updated signigicantly over time.

[Anonymous No.12595025]

>>12595012
Should Musk take display landers to the moon as a mock payload?

[Anonymous No.12595029]

>>12595020
Expander cycle takes a fuckload of man-hours to produce because they need extremely small regenerative cooling channels.
I like the RL-10, she's a great little engine but they need to redesign it to be cheaper to produce.

[Anonymous No.12595030]

>>12595025
Musk should include bringing lander stages back to earth for reuse in his bid

[Anonymous No.12595032]

HURRY UP AND SELECT ALPACA FOR THE LUNAR LANDER JIM
YOU ONLY HAVE A FEW DAYS LEFT
IF YOU DONT WE'LL BE CURSED WITH THE LADDER OF DOOM

[Anonymous No.12595034]

>>12595025
>no you can’t build rockets out of steel, use sane fuels that are cheap, and design engines to be used for hundreds of hours !
>space is hard

[Anonymous No.12595038]

>>12595034
>no you can’t build rockets out of steel
This was a jewish meme and I'm glad Elon went out of his way to prove them wrong.

[Anonymous No.12595039]

>>12595030
what about bringing back the Apollo lander to tell NASA that they forgot their trash?

[Anonymous No.12595041]

>>12595032
Haha ladder go step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step....

[Anonymous No.12595042]

>>12595034

[Anonymous No.12595043]

SpaceX on Twitter
>Due to unfavorable weather conditions in the recovery area, now targeting Tuesday, January 19 at 8:23 a.m. EST for launch of Starlink

[Anonymous No.12595044]

>>12595041
>Try to look badass by only grabbing the sides and sliding down
>Look retarded because slow microgravity

[Anonymous No.12595045]

>>12595042
>no you can’t use fixed price contracting while under bidding us !!

[Anonymous No.12595046]

>>12595041
Don't give them any ideas, or they will really replace the ladder with steps.

[Anonymous No.12595047]

>>12595043
ha, SpaceX values it's internet satellites more than NASA did their astronauts.

[Anonymous No.12595048]

>>12595038
The idea of there being an active "don't use steel for rockets" lobby is very funny to me

[Anonymous No.12595049]

>>12595044
>fall
>suit rips and you die a horrible, horrible death

[Anonymous No.12595051]

>>12595044
>>Try to look badass by only grabbing the sides and sliding down
The only right way

[Anonymous No.12595053]

>You are forming a long distance space flight crew of 20
>Select the following:
>Gender balance (how many men and women)
>Nationality
>Age (How many zoomers, boomers, coomers)

What's your choice /sfg/

[Anonymous No.12595056]

>>12595049
Isn't suit damage only horrible and fatal if the helmet (or air supply) are fucked?

Like a rip on the arms or legs would stuck but isn't fatal, right?

[Anonymous No.12595060]

>>12595053
Asian, Indians, Whites,and one Uncle Ruckus.

[Anonymous No.12595062]

>>12595053
All

>White
>Male
>Late 20s, 30s
>US, EU, Aus

[Anonymous No.12595063]

>>12595053
10 men 10 women (female)
All American except for one Japanese bro
Ages from 25-45

[Anonymous No.12595065]

>>12595025
I wonder what the first lunar city will be called?

[Anonymous No.12595066]

>>12595053
what is the goal of this crew?

[Anonymous No.12595067]

>>12595051
>>12595049
>>12595044
>not leaping off and dabbing in midair while you slowly fall to the ground and make the first steps in the moon in more than 50 years while saying "Fuck Boing and fuck Urf"

[Anonymous No.12595072]

>>12595056
I'm not too sure. I feel live you could get away with a big tear (so long as you cover it up with your glove and rush back to the lander asap, although you have to climb a big ass ladder so good luck lmao) but if your helmet shatters you are basically fucked

[Anonymous No.12595073]

>>12595053
Burly Canadian lumberjacks only.

[Anonymous No.12595074]

>>12595066
Not important, just assume like a year in isolation in space

[Anonymous No.12595075]

>>12595053
50/50 gender, age doesn't matter but close to my age ideally, all tradcaths. Especially the women

[Anonymous No.12595076]

>>12595065
Go-Bold.

[Anonymous No.12595078]

>>12595074
it is important if they need to breed

[Anonymous No.12595079]

>>12595073
RAM RANCH

[Anonymous No.12595081]

>>12594761
Imaging Elon "He Smokes Pot" Musk having you on speed dial.

[Anonymous No.12595084]

>>12595067
Anon this lander is basically built by oldspace. Blue Origin is the prime contractor, but lockheed and northrop also have a big part in it

[Anonymous No.12595085]

>>12595078
Just breed, dont let mission control tell you what to do

>>12595060
>Uncle Ruckus
yes

>>12595063
>Women (Female)
based

>>12595062
>all white
It's CURRENT YEAR

[Anonymous No.12595086]

>>12595079
18 naked welders in the shower

[Anonymous No.12595087]

>>12595081
Who is this old lady?

[Anonymous No.12595090]

>>12595075
>tradcaths
Based and trad pilled

>>12595086
28 US marines

[Anonymous No.12595091]

>>12594566
I like how it slowly oscillates for stability

[Anonymous No.12595095]

>>12595053
20 niggers straight from the deep Congo, let's do it.

[Anonymous No.12595097]

>>12595095
19 black guys and 1 (one) female woman

[Anonymous No.12595102]

>>12595049
>fall
>suit rips
Anon

[Anonymous No.12595104]

>>12595053
1 24 year old NEET male and 19 females ranging from 7-11, each one of them hailing from a different European country but all fluent in English

[Anonymous No.12595107]

>>12595102
This shit looks so dumb, mechanical counterpressure suits desperately needed.

[Anonymous No.12595111]

>>12595090

28 Nasa Administrators.

[Anonymous No.12595115]

>>12595102
Imagine a razorblade. Now imagine if I took the two sharp sides and ground them up into dust. Now imagine I spread billions of tons all over the surface. That's what lunar regolith is

[Anonymous No.12595118]

>>12595107

[Anonymous No.12595121]

>>12595107
This, an elastic pressure suit would be so much lighter and more flexible you could wear chain mail over it for protection and it would still be lighter and more flexible.

[Anonymous No.12595122]

>>12595115
Rather have that than to be surrounded by hostile tribes who want to scalp me and force my women into marriage.

[Anonymous No.12595123]

>>12595102
Is this really

[Anonymous No.12595127]

>>12595009
You think SpaceX does those? Best procedure is no procedure, my dude

[Anonymous No.12595130]

>>12595023
>
RS-25 is not a great engine, it is an engine that gets great Isp and meh TWR, and costs a ridiculous amount and requires an even more ridiculous level of technician blood sacrifices in order to function correctly.

[Anonymous No.12595137]

>>12594635
>artemis 1 ruds on launch
>magical second secret sls appears out of nowhere
maybe that's where all the funding went...

[Anonymous No.12595139]

>>12595087
Elanor Marske

[Anonymous No.12595152]

>NEW GLENN
NEW GLENN
>NEW GLENN
NEW GLENN
>NEW GLENN
NEW GLENN
>NEW GLENN
NEW GLENN
>NEW GLENN
NEW GLENN
>NEW GLENN
I want to have sex with the New Glenn

[Anonymous No.12595167]

>>12595043
They need ~3+ launches per week to meet their goal of ~40 launch this year (3x12 = 36 + 4+ Starship launches ).

[Anonymous No.12595173]

>>12595152
I'm going to feel bad for New Glenn if Starship works
>SpaceX claim they can land a 1st stage booster
>everyone thinks they are full of shit
>it works
>Falcon 9 becomes the cheapest launch vehicle but has limited payload
>decide you are going to make a much bigger rocket with a reusable 1st stage
>SpaceX starts building a much larger rocket with a reusable 1st and 2nd stage
If the first and second stage can be reused on the Starship New Glenn becomes the second cheapest launch vehicle and still gets fuck all commercial contracts.

[Anonymous No.12595176]

>>12595173
Wasn't New Glenn supposed to be fully reusable too? I think they found that too hard and removed that goal few years ago.

[Anonymous No.12595177]

>>12595152
I want to have sex with Krystal

[Anonymous No.12595181]

>>12595152
>Sex with nothing

So no change from usual then?

[Anonymous No.12595183]

>>12595177
Elon pls have Boca make a single 18m tank barrel ring

[Anonymous No.12595192]

>>12595183
>Elon does a barrel roll to make Starship sections

[Anonymous No.12595194]

so, what's big jim's legacy?
>commerical crew / return to space on american soil
or
>destruction of SLS, wastes billions of taxpayer dollars on a broken rocket

[Anonymous No.12595195]

>>12595176
Reusing the NG second stage would be far slower and more expensive with more tradeoffs even if they got it working, because it's a smaller rocket and because it could never land propulsively.

[Anonymous No.12595197]

>>12595053
8 boomers, 12 zoomers
25% Jap, 75% USA whites
>women
No

[Anonymous No.12595198]

>>12595194
Neither, both were inherited from previous administrations

[Anonymous No.12595205]

>>12595152
Careful so you don't get paper cuts on your dick. That shit would hurt.

[Anonymous No.12595211]

>>12595173
spacex kinda inadvertently baited everyone into copying a paradigm that is already being made irrelevant by their own hands

that said I still want to see New Glenn irl. Looks like a sweet rocket.

[Anonymous No.12595220]

>>12594943
THRUST

[Anonymous No.12595221]

>>12595220
NIGGER

[Anonymous No.12595224]

>>12595053
>12 men, 8 women
>All either non-kosher white or Japanese (or pretty much any east asian nationality who isn't korean or chinese), maybe the one token black guy for gits and shiggles
>10 zoomers, 5 Gen Xers, 5 boomers

[Anonymous No.12595239]

hope virgin makes their stream public. Their GUI is the best I've seen. Shame the person who capped this game it tater quality

[Anonymous No.12595272]

>>12595053
What's the goal and how long is "long distance"?
I'll assume it's a mars mission with our current tech to start expanding a base that has only been partially constructed by robots so far with crew return to earth.
This gives us:
>6 months getting there
>18 months on the surface
>6 months return
>total mission time ~2.5 years
My first though is how do gays handle closed social circles, would there be less drama and bitching with 20 gay men rather than a mix of straight men and women?
I just tried to find any data on this but can only find corporations showing off how progressive they are so might as well turn this mission into the first experiment regarding this.
>7 straight men
>7 straight women
>6 faggots (non-mincing variety)
As for nationality I couldn't give a fuck less so long as they were the best we could find and not diversity hires.
Age I would be looking for is between 30 and 40, old enough to have a decent amount of relevant experience but young enough to be capable of physical labor.

[Anonymous No.12595274]

>>12595239
im waiting for anon to upload to youtube......where is it friend??

[Anonymous No.12595281]

>>12595272
>non-mincing variety
kek, very important

[Anonymous No.12595287]

>>12595274
https://youtu.be/A9FqI2ukheY

not the entire stream, but 1st stage release partway into 2nd stage burn. Was a bit wobbly there at the beginning but stabilization systems handled it

[Anonymous No.12595292]

It's not fair
A capsule shouldn't be allowed to be THIS aesthetic

[Anonymous No.12595299]

>>12595287
Wow that was actually kerbal as fuck. Virgin is now based

[Anonymous No.12595304]

>>12595292
Stop right there furry scum

[Anonymous No.12595307]

Eric berger spews absolutely disgusting SLS hatred online. total imbecile, he doesnt know the first thing about rocket testing. he only sucks on elons cock and ballsack. gross bias

[Anonymous No.12595310]

>>12595292
Yiff in hell furfag

[Anonymous No.12595312]

>>12595310
>>12595304
This is a scalies-only household

[Anonymous No.12595313]

>>12595292
Oh dear god, your autism has awakened him.

[Anonymous No.12595316]

>>12595307
Lmao. Did we ever confirm if that guy genuinely worked at stennis or something?

[Anonymous No.12595321]

>>12595316
>Lmao. Did we ever confirm if that guy genuinely worked at stennis or something?
he works at nasa langley https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/researchernews/snapshot_JPinier.html

[Anonymous No.12595324]

>>12595292
high quality edit

[Anonymous No.12595325]

>>12595307
yeah reading all the butthurt sls fans replying to his article was pretty entertaining

>>12595299
it's true. I don't know how viable this will be in the long run but it gets an A+ in entertainment value. Just fucking cool. And an impressive engineering job too. Can't be easy to launch a liquid rocket sideways

This wired article put out an interesting point. That countries without launch infrastructure might want to use this

[Anonymous No.12595326]

How powerful of an icbm can you make out of starship?

[Anonymous No.12595327]

>>12595313
I really want Hoppy to get a real place of honor eventually. I wonder if Elon would be willing to give it to the Smithsonian or if it'll live in Boca Chica permanently when they eventually build a rocket garden.

[Anonymous No.12595328]

>>12595326
About three fiddy gigatons.

[Anonymous No.12595333]

>Peter Beck: The new HyperCurie engine for deep space and planetary missions on Photon. Banana for scale, apparently bananas are now recognized units of measure?

[Anonymous No.12595334]

>>12595321
Oh my God I'm losing my shit rn hahahahah. He released a metric fuck ton of salt yesterday

[Anonymous No.12595335]

>>12595333
Go back to r*ddit Peter

[Anonymous No.12595336]

>>12595333
Cute, looks 3d printed, makes me wonder what pressure she runs at.

[Anonymous No.12595341]

>>12595333
more like HyperCutie

[Anonymous No.12595346]

>>12595326
I don't know if you get the point of ICBMs.
If they're nuclear-armed, you want a large number of missiles with multiple warheads each in order to improve your odds of evading defenses. You could fill a Starship with hundreds or maybe thousands of warheads, but that's a don't-put-all-your-eggs-in-one-basket kind of deal.
If the ICBM isn't nuclear-armed, what the fuck are you doing?

[Anonymous No.12595348]

>>12595292
Really, though. Almost as if Crew Dragon was not a capsule at all.

[Anonymous No.12595350]

>>12595333
I want to hotglue that engine

[Anonymous No.12595352]

>>12595346
>not supporting a Tsar Bomba MIRV
I'm starting to think you don't like doomsday weapons anon.

[Anonymous No.12595353]

>>12595334
he was shitting on SN8 flight too i think

[Anonymous No.12595356]

>>12595334
>>12595353
no it was SN5 and SN6 he shit on. total silence on SN8. also....is he our delusional poster? read this shit lol

[Anonymous No.12595360]

>>12595346
Yeah but I wanna know how powerful of a bang you could make with it

[Anonymous No.12595364]

>>12595307

[Anonymous No.12595365]

>>12595356
>if you think starship will be going orbital by the end of 2021, you're delusional

[Anonymous No.12595367]

>>12595356
Honestly I would be surprised if Starship gets LEO by the end of the year, we haven't seen much of a first stage yet.
That said I still think Starship will beat SLS and New Glenn to LEO.

[Anonymous No.12595372]

>>12595364
>be (((berger)))
>wear BO hat to SLS press conference
>tfw ppl call me a blue origin shill instead if spacex shill
>mission accomplished

[Anonymous No.12595373]

rocket lab on wednesday

[Anonymous No.12595374]

>>12595365
Fuck, orbit by Q4 2021 confirmed.

[Anonymous No.12595377]

>>12595367
sorry buddy. even if starship gets to orbit first, SLS still wins :^)
mr pinier just btfo u the fuck out son

[Anonymous No.12595378]

>SpaceX Tuesday
>RL Wednesday
>internet gets shut down with martial law hours later

[Anonymous No.12595380]

>>12595378
>Trump in a prison cell by sundown
God i love this timeline

[Anonymous No.12595383]

>>12595372
6D chess

>>12595377
aged like milk.

[Anonymous No.12595385]

>>12595377
I wonder if any more of the flight crew will retire if NASA decides the Green test was a success and it's ready to fly.

[Anonymous No.12595389]

>>12595385
you mean the last shuttle retirees? I think we have plenty to go yet

[Anonymous No.12595399]

>>12595377
the director at stennis is a greasy silmeball. ugh

[Anonymous No.12595403]

>>12595399
whoops didnt mean to reply to
>>12595377

[Anonymous No.12595413]

>>12595287
Yeah I was worried as fuck about that oscillation.

[Anonymous No.12595414]

>>12595326
The whole point of land based ICBMs in the modern age is to act as big targets in case an enemy decides to conduct a first strike. There’s a reason modern US ICBMs only have one warhead in their missiles rather than MIRVs, because we want to maximize the number of launch sites in the middle of nowhere (while complying with treaties limiting warhead numbers), with each site acting as a big “HEY SHOOT 7 OF YOUR LIMITED IN NUMBER ICBM’S HERE INSTEAD AT OUR CITIES OR INDUSTRY!” sign.

Could probably load a massive fucking warhead on starship, though. Issue is keeping it constantly prepped for launching on short notice.

[Anonymous No.12595417]

>>12595380
I wouldn't start edging yet if I was you.

[Anonymous No.12595426]

>>12595417
you have no idea what we have in store goy

[Anonymous No.12595448]

>after a bunch of flights the F9 booster turns completely black
might look pretty good, actually

[Anonymous No.12595461]

>>12594949
The thing about testing is, sometimes you find something. The fact that they never planned around actually having to fix and retest is just another management disaster. At that point they didn't need to test in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12595467]

>>12595461
>The fact that they never planned around actually having to fix and retest is just another management disaster. At that point they didn't need to test in the first place.
good point. Maybe they intended it on just being a PR stunt

[Anonymous No.12595473]

>>12595448
Blacked.

[Anonymous No.12595484]

>>12595356
Nobody even mentioned SpaceX there. Christ this guy is coping hard.

[Anonymous No.12595511]

>>12595484
lmao I didnt even notice that on first read. dude is totally unhinged!

[Anonymous No.12595515]

>>12595484
i went back and looked at my past screenshots of this guy and nearly EVERY TIME he replies to a Berger tweet about SLS (with no mention of SpaceX) he brings them up hahaha. rent free i guess

[Anonymous No.12595547]

>>12594736
>Based

HBO Rome, what could of been.

[Anonymous No.12595553]

>>12594805
Elon said he wanted to build one a day till he has 1000 starships?

[Anonymous No.12595557]

>>12594828
Musk has said till there is a base on Mars, SpaceX will stay private

[Anonymous No.12595566]

>>12594570
>>12594570
The next Easter egg from Tesla.

[Anonymous No.12595575]

>>12595062
Based

[Anonymous No.12595621]

>>12595079
ULA SNIPERS
PULLING UP IN BLACK FORD RAPTOR TRUCKS
HELICOPTERS LANDING
BOCA CHICA IS UNDER SIEGE
UNDER LOCKDOWN

[Anonymous No.12595642]

>>12595621
A HUDE SPACE CRAFT FILLED WITH NIGGAS? OOH FUCK

[Anonymous No.12595665]

>>12595065
Kapernopilis

[Anonymous No.12595668]

>>12595065
Wernersburg

[Anonymous No.12595711]

>>12595065
Shelbyton

[Anonymous No.12595722]

>>12595062
>>12595575
You're not white Gonzalez.

[Anonymous No.12595723]

>>12595473
Kys

[Anonymous No.12595727]

>>12595325
What countries fall into the category of can afford a meme small sat launch for an insane price, willing to go with some company that hasn’t launched yet and never will, plus can’t just go join a SpaceX rideshare

[Anonymous No.12595728]

>>12595065
Whiteyonthemoom

[Anonymous No.12595730]

>be me
>playing KSP
>dick around a bit
>decide to build an SLS (block 2)
>build it, attach test payload (ore tanks)
>click launch
>game crashes
>mfw it takes 20 minutes to load
why

[Anonymous No.12595735]

>>12595730
It’s horrendously nonoptimized and every mod cost you about 50 years waiting to load parts

[Anonymous No.12595746]

>>12595730
Because you tried to build an SLS. Serves you right.

[Anonymous No.12595748]

>>12595730
>be me
>stock KSP
>life is good :)

[Anonymous No.12595749]

>>12595360
250 megatons

[Anonymous No.12595764]

tfw richard branson got to orbit before bozo. big respect for the former con artist SIR Richard! virgin companies firing on all cylinders this year

[Anonymous No.12595783]

>>12595764
>air launched small sat launcher

What’s the point

[Anonymous No.12595786]

>>12595783
No pad, extremely flexible orbit insertion.

[Anonymous No.12595806]

>>12595786
Pads don’t need to be special
Runways aren’t cheap
And they still need all the fueling, radars, communications, etc
They aren’t going to be launching from other countries

[Anonymous No.12595811]

>>12595806
There's runways all over the fucking world. Pads with lox and kerosene cooling, not so much.

>They aren’t going to be launching from other countries
In case you missed it, that's exactly what they're suggesting with this. Launch from places that doesn't have infrastructure to launch. The added option of being able to insert into just about any inclination due to have a mobile platform is also quite a nice bonus.

[Anonymous No.12595813]

Is there a term for the existential discomfort experienced from looking at an image like the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, contemplating it's inconceivable vastness, the fact that there's probably aliens in that picture, and the lonesome belief we'll never be aware of eachother?

[Anonymous No.12595818]

>>12595811
Why would the US government let them take icbm’s and launch them in a foreign country?
Why would some meme air launched rocket need less infrastructure than a pad?

Like I said, you don’t really NEED much for a pad either

[Anonymous No.12595821]

>>12595813
it's called the "Make the alcubierre drive work damn it!" or the "Woops Physics Sucks" realization followed by crushing depression until the next cycle of hope :)

[Anonymous No.12595826]

>>12595818
It's a fucking cubesat launcher, I'm not even sure ITAR applies on it to be honest, but yes, they do have plans to launch this shit from other countries.

[Anonymous No.12595837]

>>12595826
>are ICBM’s restricted

You tell me

[Anonymous No.12595840]

>>12595837
Can it even be classified as an ICBM at that size? Not really. It's an air launched rocket. It's not an F9.
Hell, it's not even a fucking Electron and those launch from NZ as well as Wallops.

[Anonymous No.12595847]

>>12595840
any orbital rocket is an ICBM

[Anonymous No.12595851]

>>12595840
Electron was made in NZ naturally they can launch from wherever NZ lets them

[Anonymous No.12595854]

>>12595851
Yet they're a US company now and everything they make is made in the US. Funny that.

[Anonymous No.12595858]

>>12595854
NZ is a client state of the US globohomo empire

[Anonymous No.12595860]

>>12595858
So what's stopping the Orbital Virgins from launching their shit from other "client states" of the "US globohomo empire"?

[Anonymous No.12595862]

>>12595860
autism

[Anonymous No.12595864]

>>12595862
That post doesn't even make sense in regards to the discussion at hand.

[Anonymous No.12595865]

>>12595860
The fact orbit doesn’t care where you launch from

[Anonymous No.12595867]

>>12595865
And this post doesn't make sense either. Is that really the best you got?

[Anonymous No.12595868]

>>12595864
USGov has autism

[Anonymous No.12595870]

>>12595868
Well, I'm fairly sure you do at least. Not a particularly high functioning one either.

[Anonymous No.12595872]

>>12595867
You can move your rocket to the us. You cannot move your rocket to nigeria

[Anonymous No.12595873]

>>12595870
you sure showed me buddy, keep fighting and winning

[Anonymous No.12595880]

>>12595872
Who the fuck said anything about Nigeria? Look at Europe for instance, not particularly suited for launching shit due to it being rather inconvenient to drop spent stages because every fucking square inch is put to use somehow or you're stuck doing polar launches.
Which is why ESA does their launches from fucking Kourou.

But stick your stick on a 747 and fuck off over the sea for a bit and that spent stage can go safely in the drink with no problem. Convenient and you don't need to ship your payload to the other side of the globe.

[Anonymous No.12595883]

>>12594736
This really should be the standard for announcing things here

[Anonymous No.12595888]

>>12595547
>what could of been
You may not attend.

[Anonymous No.12595892]

>>12595880
The Pegasus has air launched out of the canary islands. Don't see why virgin couldn't.

[Anonymous No.12595893]

>>12594583
kek

[Anonymous No.12595894]

>>12595880
Every country in Europe already has a small sat launcher
All Launcherone is going to be doing is polar launches anyways

[Anonymous No.12595896]

>>12595894
>Every country in Europe already has a small sat launcher
Oh do tell. There's not a single fucking one, there's a couple on the drawing board, all of them polar.
They've all been delayed thanks to Kung Flu, naturally.

[Anonymous No.12595904]

>>12595896
Naturally, 30 year olds can’t do clean room or office work when there’s a new flu going around...

[Anonymous No.12595906]

>>12595904
In the 40's people ran straight towards machineguns, and now people hide inside from a cough.

[Anonymous No.12595909]

>>12595906
Boomer politicians run the world now, just look at how offended they got over “America first”

[Anonymous No.12595910]

>>12595904
Dear god imagine having to don a mask for clean room work, just imagine

[Anonymous No.12595912]

this thread is worse than usual somehow

[Anonymous No.12595921]

>>12595894
>>12595896
Why would ESA want a small sat launcher? They already a proven and reliable small-lift rocket

[Anonymous No.12595926]

>>12595921
>Why would ESA want
You do know there are other customers besides NASA and ESA in the world, right? I just pulled out ESA because they're the only "provider" in Europe.

[Anonymous No.12595928]

>>12595912
Were you in the previous thread?

[Anonymous No.12595942]

>>12595053
20 japanese women, of various ages. They consume the fewest calories, mass the least, and have the highest iq. It's peak efficiency.

[Anonymous No.12595952]

>>12595095
holy shit I'm just laughing my ass off at imagining this. I need to see the live feed from the ship at all times. There would be piss and shit floating around everywhere, they'd be raping each other, one would space himself on accident, it would be fucking amazing.

[Anonymous No.12595953]

>unless everything else in the SLS program, the test ended ahead of schedule
lmao savage manley

[Anonymous No.12595987]

>>12595326
Starship makes more sense as an orbital bomber than an ICBM

[Anonymous No.12595992]

>>12595860
Paperwork mostly

[Anonymous No.12596000]

>>12595065
Muskow
Or maybe better save that for Mars

[Anonymous No.12596011]

>>12594736
LAUNCH DELAYED BY 24 HOURS
WEATHER FOR LANDING OF BOOSTER DEEMED TOO POOR
LAUNCH WILL BE AT 0842 EASTERN TIME ON THE YEAR OF OUR LORD, 2021, 19th DAY OF THIS MONTH OF JANUARY.

[Anonymous No.12596020]

>>12594550
Replace the Shuttles with VentureStars and you've got it.

[Anonymous No.12596024]

why the fuck are people obsessed with VentureStar? It never would have worked...

[Anonymous No.12596027]

>>12596024
Here is your reply.

[Anonymous No.12596031]

>>12596027
SSTO is impossible on earth with hydrolox rockets.

[Anonymous No.12596037]

>>12595547
*Could HAVE been

[Anonymous No.12596038]

>>12596031
SSTO is possible but the payload would be, like, cardboard boxes

[Anonymous No.12596043]

>>12596038
of cheese

[Anonymous No.12596044]

>>12596038
not with hydrogen

[Anonymous No.12596081]

REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU

[Anonymous No.12596085]

>>12596081
>two fake rockets, a bad rocket, and the Saturn V
uhhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.12596093]

>>12596085
You will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.12596095]

>>12596081
The Saturn V? Oh I remember, anon, I remember.

[Anonymous No.12596101]

>>12596093
>SRBs
You will never be a real rocket

[Anonymous No.12596102]

>>12596093
Ares/Constellation is even faker than VentureStar, anon

[Anonymous No.12596108]

>>12596044
Yes with hydrogen, better Isp but worse mass fraction means roughly equal performance as a light hydrocarbon staged combustion SSTO. Which is to say, payload mass fraction less than 1% of liftoff mass

[Anonymous No.12596111]

>>12596101
lol

[Anonymous No.12596112]

>>12596108
propane
r
o
p
a
n
e

[Anonymous No.12596116]

>>12596102
>literally has more flight time than SLS, VentureStar, and Starship

[Anonymous No.12596117]

>>12596093
>literally the SLS but it doesn't have the SLS label on it so it's good
Recouping defunct hardware for a purpose it wasn't made for in the first place will never be a good idea, Zubrin. Give it up.

[Anonymous No.12596118]

>>12596116
first two are true, but the last one isn't.
Starship has about 10 minutes of flight time in total

[Anonymous No.12596121]

>>12596081

[Anonymous No.12596123]

>>12596116
>oversized firework gets thrown into the drink
SLS is a jobs program and accidentally produced a rocket as a side effect
VentureStar was and is impossible and just an excuse to do nothing

[Anonymous No.12596125]

It seems they launched SN9 on Mars without livestream... wth

[Anonymous No.12596127]

>>12596093
>Reminder that Ares-X was an unmodified Shuttle booster with a dummy stage on top that literally amounted to a dog and pony show which gained nothing of value but did manage to hose the entire launch tower structure with high velocity high temperature aluminum oxide exhaust dust lmao

[Anonymous No.12596131]

>>12596112
Even propalox FFSC can't save you, anon. That's if FFSC can even work with propalox, since that propellant is likely to coke up the fuel-rich side.

[Anonymous No.12596133]

>>12596127
don't forget that it cost more than SpaceX's bid on the commercial crew program

[Anonymous No.12596135]

>>12596081
Remember what they actually took rather than the shittle dregs you posted.
This would have made the Saturn much cheaper while putting a shitload into LEO and maintaining Lunar capability.

[Anonymous No.12596137]

>>12595194
'Not making things worse' is a high bar to clear in American space politics, but Big Jim managed it.

[Anonymous No.12596142]

>>12596133
lol, when are we gonna give the "people" who built that thing the rope?
>but muh congressional mandate
Literally say no, we're not doing that.
What are they gonna do, defund the program? Ooooh, so scary, we're gonna miss out on fucking around and getting nothing done!
How kickass would it be if NASA grew a pair and allowed themselves to be defunded into oblivion just based on principals alone?

[Anonymous No.12596151]

>>12595194
Keeping Boeing from getting the HLS contract while giving one to SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.12596163]

>>12596151
>that time Boeing actually got pp-slapped by NASA for bidding an insultingly high price for their concept
hahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.12596166]

>>12596163
no, it was Blue Origin, Northrop Grumman, and Lockheed Martin who got scolded for bidding too high

[Anonymous No.12596174]

>>12596166
Well it's still oldspace anyway, my mirth remains

[Anonymous No.12596178]

Fog at Boca Chica might clear by 16:00 UTC (10:00 local). Some wind forecast for the local afternoon, but I don't know if it's strong enough to delay the hop.

[Anonymous No.12596179]

>>12596174
Boeing got scolded for submitting a bid that explicitly wasn't firm fixed price

[Anonymous No.12596180]

>>12596116
I know that Ares 1 was a shit concept. It destroyed the pad, destroyed the 2nd stage, it will destroy your spine on ascent, destroy your parachutes if you aborted and destroy your budget. But God imagine having a Kerballed together firework candle as the primary manned rocket that shoots astronauts to space.

[Anonymous No.12596182]

>>12596135
Oh nice, more shit to fall into the ocean, and yet you dare to trash talk the Shuttle.

[Anonymous No.12596183]

>>12596180
>that shoots astronauts to space
Well, their remains at least.

[Anonymous No.12596184]

>>12595194
Putting pressure on both oldspace and newspace.
SpaceX rising to the challenge while congress tells him to shut the fuck up about oldspace getting nothing down.

He was the first with the balls to call out oldspace in a very long time and his job was threatened because of it, I'll remember him as the guy that spoke up.

[Anonymous No.12596185]

>>12596182
yes, Shuttle threw two fireworks and an orange tank into the ocean on every flight

[Anonymous No.12596199]

>>12596185
But they made sure to fish out the empty firework shells so they could pretend that they were reusable.

[Anonymous No.12596202]

>>12596199
truly remarkable

[Anonymous No.12596206]

>>12596178
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.12596208]

>>12596182
>shuttle cost per kg to LEO
$19,824
>saturn V cost per kg to LEO
$8,785
Wow the shuttle saved us a fortune.

[Anonymous No.12596211]

>>12596185
We have got denied the Big Bad Orange Space Station, but Saturn V was designed to carry people to the Moon, not to carry shit to LEO.

[Anonymous No.12596214]

so the current Starship plan for the moon is EOR - LOR - Direct Ascent
I think they'd have much better luck doing
EOR - LOR - LOR - Direct

[Anonymous No.12596215]

>>12596208
>saturn V
crew of 3
>shuttle
crew of 7

[Anonymous No.12596217]

>>12594803
No, he just hijacks it and uses it like an RC car. He also replaces the slow ass driving mechanism with a CHAD cybertruck chassis with tesla batteries and everything. And still sends photos and videos to Urf as a massive "FUCK YOU" to NASA.

[Anonymous No.12596224]

>>12596211
Saturn MLV included plans to make building shorter tanks and removing or adding engines using the same tooling easy.
The plan was based on the payload you could run anywhere for 1 to 5 F-1s on the first stage and 1 to 5 J-2's on the second stage with the tanks being made of standardized rings like Starship to make building them at different lengths cheap and easy.

>>12596215
See above, if all you care about is LEO a Saturn-Lite could be built with a "Big Gemini" on top offering up to 12 crew and guess what, it would still be cheaper than the shuttle.

Defend it all you want but the shuttle was a huge step backwards and has plauged NASA ever since.

[Anonymous No.12596249]

>>12596178
>the hop
nobody tell him, just make it quick

[Anonymous No.12596278]

>>12596224
Seethe all you want, but Shuttle launched 135 times. That's 135 individual missions (okay, first few Shuttle launches has a crew ot two, then four, and so on, but my point stands). No one in his right mind would sign up for 135 Command and Service Modules to be made, just for 135 Saturn V rockets to carry 135 LOE missions.

[Anonymous No.12596284]

>>12596278
>No one in his right mind would sign up for 135 Command and Service Modules to be made, just for 135 Saturn V rockets to carry 135 LOE missions.
It would have still been cheaper

[Anonymous No.12596292]

>>12596278
You want to talk about insanity? No one in their right mind would design the Shuttle or stretch its service life out so long either. Hence it was not designed by anyone in their right mind, but instead designed piecemeal by committee becoming a jumbled mess that had only a ghost of intent behind it. Hence it was finally admitted to be a mistake.
Shilling for the Shuttle is a fucking joke. Fuck off Nixonite.

[Anonymous No.12596305]

>>12596125
Imagine watching a livestream of starship landing on Mars (they will need to have better coms infrastructure than the DSN though)

[Anonymous No.12596320]

>>12596278
You know that between now and 1970 there have been a fuckload of expendable launches right? If the Saturn MLV was used for every single one (it could do all and could do most with 2 F-1's and 2 J-2's nearly halfing it's launch cost) how cheap do you think we would be producing it today after running the same designs for 50 years?
Saturn MLV was the future but there wouldn't be any cost+ RnD needed and the companies that got the production contracts would be sitting pretty producing the same parts for half a century instead of thousands of new companies get a slice of the pie.

I have no issue with them trying to make something cheap and reusable (original shuttle plan) but once it became clear that wasn't going to be the outcome they should have ditched it and stuck with what already worked and could still be improved for a fraction of the cost.
Continuing with the Shuttle at that point is much like continuing with SLS today, everyone knows it's going to produce a shit product that is extremely expensive even when excluding the insane RnD costs.

[Anonymous No.12596328]

>>12596278
letting people on the shuttle was absolutely insane. It put them in fantastic danger, we got lucky with that death toll it could have easily been 2x or more. All for a great loss of money that didnt provide any new capacity.

Should have kept using smaller vehicles for people and optimized saturns for big cargos until you developed something actually better.

[Anonymous No.12596336]

>>12596328
>letting people on the shuttle was absolutely insane.
The really insane thing is that it *needed* astronauts. You want to launch any random telcom sat? Well you need to launch 7 meatbags with it. If there's only one reason Buran was superior it's this.

[Anonymous No.12596340]

>>12596328
Shuttle failed only two times, and both of these times it was because the management insisted that the mission will be carried over, despite the risks.

[Anonymous No.12596351]

>>12596340
there was a third that we could almost count as 7 more fatalities, heat tiles failed, but they just happened to fail in the only place which was survivable. a 1/amount of tiles chances of that happening. And this is even after they realized how insanely unsafely it was and invested mad amounts of money to make sure they went over every cm2 of heattile before launch.

even so, the chance for error was high, with all the inspections in the world, the smallest of smallest of undetected irregularities would mean death of all.

[Anonymous No.12596359]

>>12596215
>Saturn V
>2 men on moon
>Shuttle
>no men on moon
Shuttle crews in LEO did many groundbreaking experiments such as seeing if crayons float in zero G and finding out if roses smell the same in orbit.

[Anonymous No.12596367]

>>12596278
Shuttle launched 135 times and did nothing useful. We learned nothing more about spaceflight using Shuttle than we learned during the Gemini program.

[Anonymous No.12596372]

>>12596340
If we discount every launch the Shuttle flew which it should not have because the risks weren't taken seriously, we would have to discount 135 Shuttle launches.

[Anonymous No.12596376]

>>12596359
but they don't smell the same in orbit

[Anonymous No.12596380]

>>12596367
>Shuttle launched 135 times and did nothing useful. We learned nothing more about spaceflight using Shuttle than we learned during the Gemini program.

[Anonymous No.12596387]

>>12596376
This statement is worth half a billion dollars

[Anonymous No.12596388]

>>12596380
correct

[Anonymous No.12596392]

>>12596376
worth the hundreds of billions desu

[Anonymous No.12596393]

>>12596372
Imagine being on STS-1

[Anonymous No.12596401]

>>12596388
>>12596380
sorry nig, i pressed enter early like a nig
what i meant to say was that the only real thing we learned from the shuttle is that it was a bad idea, like, for reals.

Seems kinda silly but having others test out failed concepts is a huge advantage in R&D, that's why starship knows it has to avoid that design like the plague and thats in part why elon musk is commited to retropropulsion for landing, he knows a big landing spacecraft is not an option.

The shitty thing is that because of the political shitfest we only got to try out a small variant of it, like, we know big shuttle with solid boosters was bad idea. Russian shuttle with liquid booster meh, maybe a bit better but not a lot.

the small shuttle on top of the rocket closer to x-37b dynasoar or dream chaser was probably a the best idea of all, even tough inferior to starship but ironically that was the least tried idea of all.

what an absolute shitfest

[Anonymous No.12596402]

>>12596367
wow

[Anonymous No.12596407]

>>12595034
>space is hard
>we made sure of it

[Anonymous No.12596414]

>>12596393
>Young flew on the first manned Gemini, commanded TWO Moon missions, walked on the Moon, and commanded the first Shuttle launch
>Young's first Apollo spacecraft was named Charlie Brown, his first LEM was named Snoopy
>Young's second Apollo mission collected the largest single Moon rock of the entire Apollo program
>On the first shuttle mission, John Young's pulse never went above 70 bpm during the entire launch
Stone cold badass.
Has there ever been a more based astronaut?

[Anonymous No.12596417]

>>12595448
>dude le low poly flat shading
Why do redditors do this? Its so fucking ugly.
Literally just tick the smooth shading and auto normal boxes and your render looks 1000 times better, you don't even need to do anything.

[Anonymous No.12596419]

>>12596401
Pretty much, the problem is that Shuttle took 30 years to cancel instead of 5, and the industry backing up that program became cancerous to the point of taking control of the organization that developed it in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12596420]

>>12596367
the shuttle taught us that space is hard

[Anonymous No.12596423]

>>12596417
>Why do redditors do this? Its so fucking ugly.
Bideo gaem nostalgia probably

[Anonymous No.12596427]

>>12596407
>>12596420
Starship will teach us the truth, that space is easy if you make it easy.

[Anonymous No.12596428]

>>12596278
1) building new Saturn Vs from scratch was cheaper than disassembling and re-assembling Shuttles
2) you could launch something the size of ISS in like 4-5 launches rather than 40
with 135 Saturn V launches you could have build space station big enough for hundreds of people

[Anonymous No.12596439]

>>12596401
It can go to space, grab a broken satellite, and fix it, or outright take it back for repairs.
It can carry and/or raplace space station modules, and take a goddamn module back with valuable experiments.

[Anonymous No.12596445]

>>12596423
except video games never did this, even n64 and ps1 had smooth shading, its actually more expensive to have flat shading because you need to duplicate vertices at edges of planes so you can have two versions with different normals

[Anonymous No.12596450]

>>12596428
>building 135 SLS
hmmmm

[Anonymous No.12596456]

>>12596450
>project cost $300bn

[Anonymous No.12596457]

>>12596450
>Saturn V is SLS
The cognitive ability of the average Shuttle fan

[Anonymous No.12596473]

>>12595621
Someone needs to blast this over hopper's PA system lmao

[Anonymous No.12596479]

https://soundcloud.com/nasa/perseverance-rover-sounds

[Anonymous No.12596486]

>>12596450
nigga you take that back and never show your face around here no more no more no more no more
hit the road fag, and dont you come back no more

[Anonymous No.12596505]

>>12596393
It amazes me that the Shuttle never failed its landing. Let alone the very first one.

[Anonymous No.12596514]

>>12596439
>can
Could, and uh, it didn't. So fuck you.

[Anonymous No.12596519]

>>12596486
Everything will launch on SLS
EVERYTHING

[Anonymous No.12596521]

>>12596445
redditors gonna reddit
>>12596505
Challenger and Columbia encountered some issues

[Anonymous No.12596522]

>>12596519
eric bergher will be the next nasa administrator and then you are FUCKED sir

[Anonymous No.12596527]

>>12596505
Landing was tested a lot before the first orbital mission (with Enterprise)
Re-entry on the other hand...

[Anonymous No.12596551]

>>12596351
Wasn't there another one where a pin from the injectors penetrated exactly the fatal amount of cooling channels minus one? That could've gone terribly as well.

[Anonymous No.12596552]

>>12596551
yeah but to be fair that was a fault of the engine which tough over engineering expensive and not providing any major improvement at all, it was a pretty good engine, particularly in comparison with the rest of the craft

[Anonymous No.12596557]

will Starships be sold to other space agencies ? ESA, JAXA for example. probably not roscosmos or china
I want to have a real space industry in europe

[Anonymous No.12596562]

Why did they put billions into stupidly expensive Shuttle maintenance instead of just developing a better MK2 Shuttle with the shit they learned? They flew the same 5 I mean 4 I mean 3 pieces of shit for 30 years, spending ridiculous amounts of money to keep these exact few crafts flying.

[Anonymous No.12596563]

>>12596522
Who do you think I am?
I will nationalize you faster than you can say the D word!

[Anonymous No.12596565]

>>12596557
Doubt it, ITAR means selling internationally wouldn't be easy and it would take congressional approval.

[Anonymous No.12596566]

>>12596562
>Why did they put billions into stupidly expensive Shuttle
oh sweet summer child, do you think there were many rational decisions in the hands of engineers when deciding the shuttles fate?

[Anonymous No.12596581]

>>12596522
little rat berger

[Anonymous No.12596584]

>>12596557
SpaceX will never sell Starships, ITAR is part of it but it also makes no sense economically. No one else would ever buy them anyway as it would be seen as a threat to local rocket production, which it would be although the way things are going their rocket production (especially Europe's) will require heavy protectionism to stay solvent.

[Anonymous No.12596588]

Who will be the next NASA administrator?

[Anonymous No.12596590]

>>12596588
Me, can I get you anything while I'm there?

[Anonymous No.12596591]

>>12596588
MrBeast

[Anonymous No.12596592]

Can somebody give me the quick rundown on ethalox (C2H6 & LOX)?

I'm studying it as an alternative to methalox being easier to store while still not being as dirty as RP1.

[Anonymous No.12596594]

>>12596590
I want to DP Bettina Inclán, can you get me access?

[Anonymous No.12596597]

>>12596584
This, Starship isnt something you can sell like an iphone. You'd have to sell a good piece of the US with it for it to make any sense.

[Anonymous No.12596602]

>>12596592
Because it's got a higher boiling point? That's the only thing I can think of, but at scale I doubt it compensates for the cost inherent in being a lower supply product (composing ~1% of LNG instead of methane's ~98-99%)

[Anonymous No.12596607]

>>12596584
LMAO if you think ITAR is staying during the Biden admin. It's the one thing Elon and Biden agree on, and Elon will absolutely swing his fat cock in the direction of trashing ITAR

[Anonymous No.12596611]

>>12596328
It never fails to entertain me that the Soviets saw the shuttle program, examined it, thought that the Americans couldn't possibly be THIS retarded and concluded it had to be a cover story for some sort of secret weapons program.

[Anonymous No.12596613]

>>12596607
The US scrapping ITAR would be the worst national defence decision by a major power in the last century and also a massive legal undertaking, not happening.

[Anonymous No.12596615]

>>12596611
lol i was about to say something similar. Also they accidentally made a much better version. >No solid boosters threateaning the heat shield. >The booster can be used by itself.
>Unmanned because youd have to be a sadist to put people in a similar craft before its completely tested.
>Able to launch perfectly fine in the most hostile climate in the world as opposed to dooming 7 astronaut to death if the weather varied by half a degree like the american one did

sill with that improved version they went all.. mehh.. soyuz still beter

[Anonymous No.12596617]

>>12596613
Boomer take, the future is now

[Anonymous No.12596622]

>>12596125
Looks more like Titan or something.

[Anonymous No.12596625]

>>12596607
>>12596613
Biden doesn't have the power to scrap itar.

thats like saying he can lift up the phone and selling every last american into slavery to one old lady in micronesia. It's an army policy almost as old as the country itself youd have better luck introducing a change in the constitution that makes america communist.

[Anonymous No.12596628]

>>12596617
The present is a stranglehold on naval and air power, the future is an even stronger position in space. Doing anything which relinquishes part of that domination does the US no service.

[Anonymous No.12596638]

>>12596625
>policy almost as old as the country itself
So is the electoral college and they want to ax that

[Anonymous No.12596639]

>>12596638
That isn't happening either.

[Anonymous No.12596650]

>>12596639
I certainly hope not, doesn't mean they won't try.

[Anonymous No.12596652]

>>12596592
it's worse than methane and worse than propane

[Anonymous No.12596654]

>>12596650
They won't try either.

[Anonymous No.12596655]

>>12596638
Im sorry if you have the objectively wrong information that the us is a dynamic revolutionary structure that's open to change.
It's a fixed agresively static empire, less mentally flexible that the worst theocracy that ever existed, with the sole aim of making a few powerful families richer. Those families existed before america. Everything that happened was exactly what they expected and howt hey expected it. There's only those few people in america who benefit, and the other who live as cogs in the machine that serves them. Everything, everyone, every piece of culture, even their language, all of america exists for that. The only way that will change is that you destroy every last bit of american culture and people. But dont fool yourself that anything that can still even vaguely called american will do any unexpected change for the better

[Anonymous No.12596659]

>>12596615
Also the super heavy rocket was independent of their shuttle which would've been great if they hadn't axed it all. Although I do wonder if the soviets couldn't have made engines that actually could've been worth reusing. Oh well. Still probably better to have more payload and a stand-alone super heavy rocket at that time.

[Anonymous No.12596662]

>>12596655
yawn

[Anonymous No.12596664]

>capsulets got uppity again

[Anonymous No.12596665]

>>12596655
t. spacelet nation

[Anonymous No.12596666]

Why was NASA cucked with shuttle? Cost sunk fallacy ?

[Anonymous No.12596667]

>>12596638
Biden as president can't make law, and programs like ITAR, or the electoral college being axed need to be voted in, and pushed through by congress
The latter part, the electoral college being blown up would probably require new amendments being added to the constitution, which won't pass

Biden doesn't know anything about rockets, SpaceX, SLS or ITAR, he's a smooth brain with no legislative history on the subject, he'll do whatever congress wants on space, and nothing more

[Anonymous No.12596671]

>>12596664
Look at those wings.
Look at those control surfaces.
All dangling uselessly in the void.
What a fucking failure.

[Anonymous No.12596673]

WE ARE GOING

[Anonymous No.12596675]

>>12596671
It's like climbing to the top of a mountain while dragging behind the boat you used to get the lake at the bottom of it

[Anonymous No.12596676]

>>12596666
In order to accept the Shuttle program NASA had to be ruined completely and has ever since. It's like looking at someone who got his brain beaten to a pulp with a baseball bat and asking why he never stops drooling on everything.

[Anonymous No.12596677]

>>12596673
OH NO NONONONO

[Anonymous No.12596679]

>>12596666
manned missions beyond Earth orbit cause crab bucket commies and soccer moms to get uppity and call their congressmen, so Congress wanted to stop NASA from leaving
the actual monetary amounts were immaterial, the only issue is that results cause "people" to get mad

[Anonymous No.12596681]

>>12596673
Nice try

[Anonymous No.12596682]

>>12596673
>>12596681
What the fuck were they thinking?

[Anonymous No.12596683]

>>12596673
>>12596681
True to their name....

[Anonymous No.12596685]

>>12595053
19 impoverished slav zoomer women + myself

[Anonymous No.12596686]

>>12596673
>>12596677
>>12596681
This is pathetic.
Truly pathetic.

[Anonymous No.12596690]

>>12596666
I think nobody wanted to pay for Mars missions and moon bases so they were all glad they were stuck with a LEOlet rocket.
No, you are right, it actually was sunk cost fallacy at a government level. Use it or admit it was a mess and all your marketing was bullshit. Also did>>12596664
n't help that Nasa was under the impression that if Shuttle was canceled they would be left with nothing at all so they kept trying to prove its worth to keep something at all.

[Anonymous No.12596692]

>>12596671
>MUH

[Anonymous No.12596696]

>>12596675
Well you need the boat afterwards, but pretty apt otherwise.

[Anonymous No.12596701]

>>12596673
this is fake. look closesly

[Anonymous No.12596713]

>>12596701
excellent catch anon absolutely no one noticed

[Anonymous No.12596723]

SLS "Green Test" shuts down after 67 seconds instead of 8 minutes.
>It's fine guys, let's ship it to the Cape.
Why test it at all, then?

[Anonymous No.12596725]

>>12595942
Live streams would be amazing

[Anonymous No.12596730]

CYBERNETIC MARS ARCOLOGIES

[Anonymous No.12596737]

>>12596673
hats off to the paintshop. that is silky smooth.

[Anonymous No.12596769]

>>12596737
hats off to the photoshop

[Anonymous No.12596771]

>>12596679
>manned missions beyond Earth orbit cause crab bucket commies and soccer moms to get uppity and call their congressmen, so Congress wanted to stop NASA from leaving
>the actual monetary amounts were immaterial, the only issue is that results cause "people" to get mad
bullshit, corrupt congresmen wanted top keep free prok for doing nothing and they knew that if they commited to a real objective they wouldnt be able to keep that money they actually have to use it for building space stuff

[Anonymous No.12596774]

>>12596723
they wanted to know if it fails or not, now they know it will so there's no point to test more

[Anonymous No.12596776]

>>12596690
At least when Shuttle launched with a space station module, it always arrived intact.

[Anonymous No.12596789]

Will SLS go kaboom?

[Anonymous No.12596798]

space company tm is building the new powerful rocket tm

invest now

[Anonymous No.12596808]

So, I was looking through the studies for the Saturn V derived systems, and I came across an interesting document.
As you know, Artemins is literally a continuation of Constellation program under another name. SLS itself is de facto Ares V. But if you look at picrelated, you can see that it goes much further in the past.

So my question is, does anyone have any info on the "Morton-Thiokol 1978" concept? Can't find anything myself, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.12596812]

>>12596652

Elaborate.

"It sucks" doesn't suffice as an answer.

C2H6 + O2 has a higher density than CH4 + O2, and C2H6 has a higher boiling point which means it can be stored at warmer temperatures, and on top of that you have a marginal thrust improvement without the dirtiness of RP1.

Yes, you may take a hit on specific impulse. Big fucking deal.

[Anonymous No.12596815]

>>12596808
they put 'is' in quotes lmao

[Anonymous No.12596816]

>>12596808
Link to original presentation:
https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/361841main_14%20-%20DIRECT_HSF_Commission.pdf

[Anonymous No.12596817]

>>12596798
i really hope the small sat launcher bubble pops soon and all these scams go bankrupt

[Anonymous No.12596825]

>>12596673
TO FAIL

[Anonymous No.12596828]

>>12596808
>SLS concept is older than 95% of anons on /sci/

[Anonymous No.12596829]

It's all over bros.

[Anonymous No.12596831]

>>12596776
>this is the state of art imperialist space station
Russians must have been laughing all way from Salyut to Mir

[Anonymous No.12596851]

>>12596831
MIR smelled like mold and stale briny piss

[Anonymous No.12596856]

Huge pipe means for water suppression system or fueling.

[Anonymous No.12596861]

>>12596851
I'm sure it reminded them of home

[Anonymous No.12596863]

>>12596771
that too

[Anonymous No.12596864]

>>12596673
https://www.scribd.com/document/489695613/VCLS-Demo-2-Source-Selection-Statement
>Phantom's significant weaknesses were attributed to their payload accommodations, financial risk, and complete omission of payload environments which are most concerning and amount to a level of risk that is very high. I contemplated that they were also assigned weaknesses for lack of description on engine modifications and payload processing support, but neither of these two findings, while of concern to the evaluators, were impactful in my overall decision. I also recognized that Phantom was assigned two strengths, but given the level of concern I have with the findings in the significant weaknesses, they are not enough to overcome the significant amount of risk assessed.
>Here I note that [Relativity] are priced slightly higher than Phantom, but when considering the risk assessed in Phantom's proposal as described above, the slightly higher price is more than offset by the reduced level of risk. Even though Phantom had the lowest overall price, I am not considering them for award due to my concerns noted above with the level of risk assessed.
They weren't even the worst bidders for this contract, but they were still shit.

[Anonymous No.12596866]

>>12596776
>At least when Shuttle launched with a space station module, it always arrived intact.
you would expect it to arrive intact, given that the difference in money between a saturn and a shuttle would be more than enough to build a couple of space stations more

[Anonymous No.12596868]

>>12596677
Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?

[Anonymous No.12596873]

>>12596856
It's so weird to me that they're bothering to make a built up pad like this but it also isn't going to have a diverter so it won't be worth shit for a fully engined heavy. Build a proper pad or keep making steel frames and work on an offshore platform, why go in between

[Anonymous No.12596875]

>>12596812
you need to compare densities at flight conditions, so methane at 5 bar and just above freezing point
propane comes out the best in this trade by a large margin

[Anonymous No.12596876]

>>12596851
bzzzz

[Anonymous No.12596880]

>>12596856
wow!, its not often that you see pipedreams made of actual pipes

[Anonymous No.12596886]

>>12596856
I bet it would be comfy inside those pipes

[Anonymous No.12596895]

>china

[Anonymous No.12596896]

>>12596876

[Anonymous No.12596903]

>>12596895
Fucking knockoffs

[Anonymous No.12596909]

>>12596864
in small launch market it's a race to the bottom

[Anonymous No.12596910]

>>12596903
who took that picture in 2025? time travel?

[Anonymous No.12596914]

>>12596903
Its shanzai. Why innovate when they can copy?

[Anonymous No.12596917]

>>12596910
>picture
>clear render of China's planned modular station
Yes anon it was time travelers

[Anonymous No.12596918]

>>12596910
我们会告诉你 China numba one 你会看到 Modular Station is real!

[Anonymous No.12596925]

>>12596903
Don't forget that new manned spacecraft which is literally a "Yellow Dragon"

[Anonymous No.12596926]

>>12596903
That's not a Shenzhou, that's a Russian progress
The infographic is not accurate, and gives chinks an argument against it

[Anonymous No.12596927]

>Guys, space is cancelled because muh COVID
>Imagine getting Space COVID?

[Anonymous No.12596929]

>>12596927
Biden really is an old man lol

[Anonymous No.12596946]

LA CONDUZIONE, LA MANUTENZIONE E LA GESTIONE DI GATEWAY COSTITUITE DA ANTENNE PARABOLICHE E LA RELATIVA FORNITURA DI SERVIZI E/O RETI DI COMUNICAZIONE ELETTRONICA VIA SATELLITE, COMPRESI I SERVIZI INTERNET VIA SATELLITE

[Anonymous No.12596947]

>>12596808
Found this discussing the same thing
http://robsspaceplace.blogspot.com/2014/01/for-want-of-mission-space-launch-system.html

[Anonymous No.12596951]

>>12596925
Also the ripoff falcon 9

[Anonymous No.12596955]

>>12596951
No shame lmao, Chyna doesn’t give a fuck. Does this thing run on methalox or kerosene?

[Anonymous No.12596956]

>>12596955
propane

[Anonymous No.12596967]

>>12596955
Liquefied villagers with low social-credit scores and dolphin tears

[Anonymous No.12596974]

>>12596951
that's a lot of energy

[Anonymous No.12596980]

>>12596951
>english on a chinese rocket
what did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12596983]

>>12596903
If it works, it works. There's a chinese saying. "It doesn't matter if the dog hair is white or black, if it can keep the predators away." Practicality over idealism is Chinese way.

[Anonymous No.12596989]

>>12596955
Kerosene

[Anonymous No.12596990]

>>12596951
fantastic, i hope they just keep on ripping off. if they try to invent something they will fail, if they just blindly copy spacex inventinos hten we'll have competitors and a fire lit under spacex ass so that it doesnt stops

[Anonymous No.12596996]

>>12596215
>shuttle
>kill count of 14

[Anonymous No.12596998]

And y'all thought "Blue Origin" was a soulless name

[Anonymous No.12597000]

>>12596956
Honestly though, why wouldn't propane make a good fuel for rockets? It's highly flammable and creates a lot of energy

[Anonymous No.12597004]

[Anonymous No.12597016]

>>12596998
>i-space
Just give up

[Anonymous No.12597017]

>>12596903
China copies everything, are you even remotely surprised?

[Anonymous No.12597020]

>Starship SN9 is expected to conduct a final Static Fire test today, paving the way for a launch this week.
Ok Berger, Mr. SpaceX shill turned BO shill/concern troll for the tweeter (you)s-- WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THIS ((BERGHER))?

[Anonymous No.12597023]

>>12596983
The saying is actually "It doesn't matter the color of the cat as long as it catches mice" and it was Jiang Zemin who said it in reference to China becoming the workshop of the world and using capitalist techniques as a communist country.

[Anonymous No.12597030]

>>12596998
that's a lot of space

[Anonymous No.12597031]

>>12596951
I read Phallus
Can't be the only one

[Anonymous No.12597032]

>>12597000
because rocket scientists are pussies who are resting on the hard work of those who came before them

[Anonymous No.12597033]

>>12596998
Are those....all chink companies?? I think the one that had me rolling was "Launcher" lmao

[Anonymous No.12597048]

>>12597032
Is that why we have been stuck in hydromeme purgatory since the 80s?

[Anonymous No.12597054]

>>12597048
yes

[Anonymous No.12597092]

Is Jan 19th still the plan for snine's hop?

[Anonymous No.12597100]

>>12596996
>in use between 1981-2011
>1 lost during launch: 1986
>1 lost during re-entry: 2003
>almost two decades apart
Safest spacecraft ever made.

[Anonymous No.12597108]

>>12597092
February 31st

[Anonymous No.12597111]

>>12596996
It's a dynamic situation anon

[Anonymous No.12597126]

>>12597111
it has the potential to rud in the museum, killing yet more american educators.

[Anonymous No.12597128]

>>12596998
>ExPace
Do they build the Eagle 1 and Eagle 9 rockets using the Wizard engine?

[Anonymous No.12597129]

>>12597092
TFRs this week. But it's better to just wait for a successful static fire than to rely on them

[Anonymous No.12597132]

they had to stop boom activity due to wind today. Not sure if the SF is going to happen

[Anonymous No.12597138]

>>12597132

[Anonymous No.12597142]

>Core stage & engines in good shape. More to come this week on Artemis blog.

what did Jim mean by this, everyone here was saying Engine 4 was FUBAR

[Anonymous No.12597149]

>>12597138
fug

[Anonymous No.12597151]

>>12594782
Cover a mile snap few pics and look at a rock. And all that in the coming decade! I'm heckin' excited!

[Anonymous No.12597170]

What would you name your space company /sfg/?

[Anonymous No.12597178]

>>12597170
Ribbitdyne

[Anonymous No.12597182]

>>12597170
SpaceSpace, based in China of course

[Anonymous No.12597187]

>>12596808
Zubrin proposed sls-like rocket all the way back in 88.

[Anonymous No.12597186]

>>12597170
My sides

[Anonymous No.12597190]

>>12597170
Rockmart

[Anonymous No.12597194]

>>12597170
UpCo

[Anonymous No.12597201]

>>12596584
SpaceX might be legally prohibited to operate rockets in similar way how boing was planes.

Expect break up of the company between flight operations and manufacturing.

[Anonymous No.12597213]

>>12597170
OneWay2Paradise Incorporated.

[Anonymous No.12597225]

>>12597170
Found lying by the side of the road

[Anonymous No.12597248]

On the topic of chinks copying everything

[Anonymous No.12597253]

>>12597170
Golden August Dragon People’s Liberation Army Space Launch Provider

[Anonymous No.12597254]

>>12597170
LatinX

[Anonymous No.12597260]

>>12597248
https://youtu.be/2ZIpFytCSVc

[Anonymous No.12597263]

NEW
>>12597261
>>12597261
>>12597261

[Anonymous No.12597268]

>>12597248
It's got a name already, Tianwen "Questions for heaven"

[Anonymous No.12597324]

>>12597170
Luckup
>>12597142
>good shape
That means they are still round and have no dents.

[Anonymous No.12597389]

>>12597100
>355 people launched on shuttle
>14 died
>4% chance of dying if just for flying on shuttle once
>"safe"
would still take those odds though

[Anonymous No.12597414]

>>12597170
#12 with egg fried rice

[Anonymous No.12597804]

>>12597170
Weyland Jewtani

[Anonymous No.12597823]

>>12597170
Federal Aerospace Research Team

[Anonymous No.12597836]

>>12597823
lmao