Math vs Engineering

[Anonymous No.12209619]

>Math is way harder than engineering

In my experience, this is bullshit, But for all the wrong reasons (I'm about to finish my degrees in EE and Math) :

EE:

>Average Engineering class
>Packed full of people
>Professor doesn't give a fuck about you or anyone
>Most engineering professors constantly want to flaunt how superior they are compared to you
>Exam problems are all designed to be solved with some dumbass "gotcha" trick completely irrelevant to the subject
>Professors take pride in failing as many students as possible and will deduct points for the most retarded reasons
>Most students just wanna pass, harboring an atmosphere of mediocrity and complacency
>Everyone is fixated on "muh salary" and "muh jobs", very few people have any semblance of passion for the the field
>"Just do last year's exams and you'll pass bro, why the fuck would you read the book"

[Anonymous No.12209621]

>>12209619
Meanwhile in Math:

>Professors actively engage with you on discussion concerning the topics at hand
>Professors have a sort of camaredie with students as they see them as future peers
>Professors don't give a shit about passing or failing you, they mostly just wanna show you the beauty of what they're teaching
>Everyone takes pride in knowing and understanding, students take pride in knowing many theorems and proofs and are always willing to help you understand something you're struggling with, professors do their best too
>Exams are the right amount of difficult, you need to actually learn and understand the material, not memorize dumbass tricks.
>Professors may even increase your grade if they feel you did specially good and actually understood the subject, I had many professors take me from an 80%-90% to 100%
>Many profs would also teach extra lectures to further assist students and to teach additional, interesting material.

Overall whilst I liked EE a lot I felt the profs were out to get you and the atmosphere wasn't very nice whilst in math the atmosphere was optimal for enjoying the topics and actually learning, this is why engineering is harder, not because the topics are more difficult to understand, but because everything is designed to fail you.

Well at least that was my experience. Share yours too if you'd like.

[Anonymous No.12209739]

what do i win

[Anonymous No.12209781]

give me the caramel tendies now

[Anonymous No.12209789]

>>12209619
>EE
>ect.
that sound the same for every other major
physics is like that, bio is like that, chemistry is probably the most shit course I've ever done, etc.
Why is math so good bros?

[Anonymous No.12209800]

>>12209619
Anyone claiming their Major is harder is coping. Different things are Harder for Different people. I'm personally good at Math and Physics but absolutely terrible at Chemistry.

[Anonymous No.12209820]

>>12209739
>>12209781
Neither actually solve the problems lol.

>>12209789
Didn't know it was the same for other majors, my only experience is with EE, which is a major shame, as the field is fascinating. Luckily the most based topics (systems and signals) where taught by one of the best profs ever. If it weren't for that I would have hated the major.

>>12209800
Math is objectively more demanding than gender studies bro

[Anonymous No.12209827]

>>12209820
>Math is objectively more demanding than gender studies bro
I was talking about in STEM, but even then some people find philosophy, literature, and linguistics hard but math and science easy. Of course meme majors like gender studies is gonna be easy.

[Anonymous No.12209839]

>>12209619
Okay it's possible but you gotta cross over the same line a few times

[Anonymous No.12209855]

EE is known to provide six figure salaries, so everyone goes into it. The professors want to flunk undergrads out to thin the herd to manageable levels. Senior level undergrad and grad level courses are past the herd thinning stage, so and are generally more engaging and enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.12209877]

euler path
requires even number of nodes with odd edges
impossible

[Anonymous No.12209882]

>>12209820
mine draws one line through every door, and doesn’t draw through walls. try to explain how that doesn’t solve the problem without sounding like an idiot

[Anonymous No.12209894]

>>12209827
Yes, but the point of my post is that people here hail math as the hardest major whilst in reality the difficulty of the material isnt all there is to it.

>>12209855
Yeah the courses I enjoyed where all the junior and senior ones. With the exception of power systems, the professor was incredibly fucking bad and toxic. That was awful.

>>12209877
Yes you win friend very smart

[Anonymous No.12209897]

>>12209894
The people on this board are undergrads, they don't realize that all STEM majors are hard on a graduate level.

[Anonymous No.12209907]

>>12209619
how did i do

[Anonymous No.12209911]

I offer a multitude of solutions
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[Anonymous No.12209914]

2

[Anonymous No.12209915]

>>12209894
>incredibly fucking bad and toxic
sounds like you’d feel more at home as a journalism major or some other field where the point is to build sandcastles out of plastic words

[Anonymous No.12209916]

>>12209877
>requires even number of nodes with odd edges
Every graph has an even number of vertices with odd degrees. An Eulerian trail requires exactly two odd degree vertices unless the trail is closed, then it will have no odd degree vertices.

[Anonymous No.12209922]

3

[Anonymous No.12209932]

4

[Anonymous No.12209940]

5

[Anonymous No.12209941]

this one is a two for one.
but a I got tired
need tenders to fuel up
>tfw no mommy gf to feed me tenders

[Anonymous No.12209942]

>>12209877
Explain please.
I started by counting the rooms: 5.
Then the total number of doors: 16.
If you count rooms per door, there are three rooms with 5 doors and two with 4 doors.
I don't know much math but this was my starting pony in breaking down the problem.

[Anonymous No.12209952]

6

[Anonymous No.12209971]

>>12209942
Suppose there existed a route that covered all the doors, never using a door more than once, which began and ended on the same room. Then every time you leave a room, its door count increments by one and every time you enter its door counter increments by one. Since you began and ended in the same room, then each room must have an even number of doors for such a thing to be possible. Obviously, we have rooms with an odd number of doors, so no such route exists.
Now suppose there existed a route that that covered all doors, never using a door more than once, which began and ended in different rooms. Then we create an imaginary room with doors between the room we began and ended on. We can then enter this room from our ending room and then enter our starting room to form a route of the first type. So, with this imaginary room, every room has an even number of doors. If we remove this imaginary room, then exactly two rooms now have an odd number of doors. We have 4 rooms with an odd number of doors, so no such route exists.

[Anonymous No.12209976]

>>12209942
>>12209971
I should note, I'm treating the outside as a room. There are 9 doors to the outside.

[Anonymous No.12209999]

>>12209971
it doesn’t say that the line through the doors has to pass from one room to another room, retard.

[Anonymous No.12210003]

>>12209999
The outside is a room, retard.

[Anonymous No.12210012]

>>12210003
no shit. so?

[Anonymous No.12210016]

>>12210012
Oh, you're retarded and think that walking through walls is valid.

[Anonymous No.12210026]

>>12210016
no, you’re the retard unless you can explain how my solution from post 3 doesn’t solve the question as stated.

[Anonymous No.12210047]

>>12210026
Are you seriously this retarded? If you walk through a doorway and immediately walk back through the doorway, you've walked through the doorway twice.

[Anonymous No.12210056]

>>12210047
which doorway did i walk through, you stupid fuck? oh i didn’t did i

[Anonymous No.12210071]

>>12210056

[Anonymous No.12210084]

>>12210071
i walked through none of those doorways. you really are clinically retarded aren’t you

[Anonymous No.12210096]

>>12210084
Then your solution fails to satisfy the first requirement.

[Anonymous No.12210097]

>>12210084
but the task is to walk through all of the doorways, if you didn't walk through any of those then...

[Anonymous No.12210105]

>>12210096
it says to draw a line through the doors, not to walk through the doorways from one room to another. are you claiming illiteracy as a defense now?

[Anonymous No.12210112]

>>12210097
no it’s not, it’s to draw a line through the doors

[Anonymous No.12210134]

>>12209820
Hey, anon. Sort of unrelated to your topic, but do you thinks that it is possible for someone with a Stats background to go into Signals? Is EE even the best field on that or would CS be better?

[Anonymous No.12210183]

>>12210134
Signal Analysis is usually done by EE's but CS people probably do it too.

[Perry the Pessimist No.12210246]

>>12209911
you missed one

[Anonymous No.12210255]

>>12209952

hacker

[Anonymous No.12210292]

>>12209739
you win a <:3

[Anonymous No.12210333]

>>12209621
That's because mathematics is one of the liberal arts.

[Anonymous No.12210434]

>>12209915
Dude she would literally insult people, tell them before an exam they were going to fail, suddenly change the evaluation percentages without notice, suddenly impose arbitrary rules for passing without notice, threaten people with getting them kicked out of the uni for "suspicions of plagiarism and insincerity" that had absolutely no ground in reality, call students to tell them they failed a test (she wouldn't even hand you the test if you passed, you would have to go to her assistant for it), mark questions completely wrong for using a variable make she didn't like. And so much more.
I don't like sounding like a soi faggot but she was absurdly toxic my man

[Anonymous No.12210438]

>>12210134
Signals is most definitely an EE field but I don't see why computer scientists couldn't get into it, specially on the image processing part of things.
It's a very special field friend, hope you enjoy it

[Anonymous No.12210458]

>>12209971
It doesn't say you can't go through walls, nigger. Maths btfo by engineering yet again.

[Anonymous No.12210990]

>>12209914
based

[Anonymous No.12210999]

>>12209619
Economics > POWER GAP > Math > Engineering

[Anonymous No.12211102]

>>12209619
One line. Through all the doors.

[Anonymous No.12211169]

there are no doors in the picture

[Anonymous No.12211236]

>>12209907
>one line

[Anonymous No.12211237]

>>12209932
retard you passed twice from a door

[Anonymous No.12211240]

>>12209619
>Autism Test
It's impossible

[Anonymous No.12211254]

>>12210084
ask me how i know you are transsexual

[Anonymous No.12211273]

>>12211254
is it because you're attracted to transsexuals?

[Anonymous No.12211282]

>>12211240
Not at all. There are no stated rules against going through walls.

[Anonymous No.12211576]

>>12209619
>AUTISM TEST
>cannot go trough same door twice

you don't say...

[Anonymous No.12211621]

>>12209619
Like a lot of scientists come to understand: The science is the easy part of engineering. Designing the better engine is the hard part.

[Anonymous No.12211673]

>>12209619

[Anonymous No.12211910]

Ahm, OP?

[Anonymous No.12211935]

>[eqn] \forall x \exists y \equiv \exists y \forall x [/eqn]
You're not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.12212015]

>>12209619
it doesn't say that the line can't go through a wall so that is the solution

[Anonymous No.12212329]

EE here with minor in CE I went to a smaller uni like 12k students. Engineering classes were small like 20 max students per class teachers MOSTLY were very helpful and wanted each student to succeed. Some are how you described and would make test with extremely hard or trick questions. One would even make you feel bad for asking questions. Graduated in 2017 now working as a controls engineer and I love it most days.

[Anonymous No.12212476]

>>12210134
Both fields have extensive study and papers into signals. You would see it in guaranteed material in undergrad
EE these days though, but my school’s CS programs saw it as popular elective that led into a lot of others (image processing, computer vision, compression, networks and communication, etc.)

[Anonymous No.12212515]

>>12210434
Are you latin american?

[Anonymous No.12212542]

>>12212329
Hey I love control been trying to learn mpc but there's no work, pretty tough introduction if you haven't understood convex optimization. Do you know any websites that hire this kind of work since its code based?

[Anonymous No.12212695]

>>12212329
i'm an ee student considering minoring in ce. was it interesting or useful to you in any way? i've taken the required ce courses and even though i found it fun i got the feeling that computer engineering professors are painfully autistic and bad at teaching

[Anonymous No.12212703]

>>12211282
The test is a meme restatement of the euler path problem you fucking retard. You cannot solve this problem without cheating in some way. People infinitely more intelligent than you in CS and graph theory have determined that this is the case, there is no way out of this in the same way that there is no way to make Newtonian mechanics concordant with observation. Call it a brute fact of the world.

[Anonymous No.12212726]

>>12212515
Why do you ask?

[Anonymous No.12212732]

>>12209619
I fell you bro. I did industrial engineering, but I like all of them, everything is so interesting. In hindsight I should have done telecom engineering, but ended up working towards a PhD in agriculture. It's quite nice as well.
Just keep going and do what you like, opportunity always show up for good engineers.

[Anonymous No.12212741]

>>12209621
>this is why engineering is harder, not because the topics are more difficult to understand, but because everything is designed to fail you
I agree that engineering is harder exclusively for bullshit reasons like what you've stated. Physics too. Or perhaps math is just easier for autists like us who abhor the faggotry inherent in such courses.

[Anonymous No.12212744]

>>12211102
based and engineerpilled

[Anonymous No.12212752]

>>12209619

[Anonymous No.12212753]

>>12211102
>Referring to line segments as lines

[Anonymous No.12212887]

>>12209619
I can prove this is impossible in the intuitive sense of going through rooms.
I bet you guys can too, but 'solutions' are still appearing.

[Anonymous No.12213112]

>>12212752
Holly shit! A hound of Tindalos!

[Anonymous No.12213115]

>>12212732
>Phd in agriculture
Interesting, what did you research?

>>12212741
Didn't know physics suffered from the safe faggotry as engineering.
Don't see why it wouldn't be the same as math.

[Anonymous No.12213123]

>>12211237
No.

[Anonymous No.12213151]

>>12209952
there we go

[Anonymous No.12213155]

Pick your fighter.

[Anonymous No.12213361]

>>12209952
A line extends infinitely

[Anonymous No.12213366]

>>12209619
>pass through all of the doors once
>says nothing about passing through walls
heh, nothing personal kid.

[Anonymous No.12213385]

By definition, a line contains 1 angle of 180°, therefore there is no solution.
Q.E.D.

[Anonymous No.12213407]

>>12209914
kekked hard ty

[Anonymous No.12213636]

first year engineering student and it's exactly OPs description. Most of class has grinding/hacking mentality to get through the course materials without doing any work and 2 profs try and break you first midterm with their dumb tricks. I want more specialized courses in EE but am forced to solve these retarded iq test general shit 80 hours a week. I can see why people drop out from being bored out of their mind