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[Anonymous No.12086016]

Vacuum Raptor SN1 Edition

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[Anonymous No.12086023]

she big

[Anonymous No.12086025]

>>12086016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro
FIRST FOR VON BASED

[Anonymous No.12086029]

>>12086016
Its too sexualized

[Anonymous No.12086032]

bros I need help. I downloaded RO engines but there's no fucking engines. They are there in sandbox but do not appear in the tech tree

[Anonymous No.12086049]

>>12086016
mfw

[Anonymous No.12086061]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otlmSFDZiHA

Really crazy how little the two clowns up top know even compared to Estronaugt

[Anonymous No.12086073]

It's too bad that we don't live on a planet with like 15% less gravity. Aerospikes at that point would be much easier to make work.

I imagine aerospikes would be incredibly useful on Titan,right?

[Anonymous No.12086080]

>>12086016
I'm fucking cumming

[Anonymous No.12086083]

>>12086016
OP is to hot for the blue board I'm ejaculating at 330 bar right now pls help.
The girl is okay to.

[Anonymous No.12086086]

>>12086061
They have different areas of knowledge iirc. I only care about space shit, not about cars and other bullshit so I never made it past one episode. Whenever Dodd talks about rockets the other dudes get blank stares and make interrupting jokes.

[Anonymous No.12086088]

Does Starship really have the structural integrity to fucking bellyflop and flip around at the last second? AND be reusable while doing that?

[Anonymous No.12086092]

>>12086088
S T E E L

[Anonymous No.12086095]

[Anonymous No.12086098]

>>12086061
Kind of a shame Tim doesn't focus on doing photography anymore. He's taken arguably the best ever photo of falcon heavy.

[Anonymous No.12086103]

forget adopting, spacex basically owns that highway at this point

[Anonymous No.12086105]

>>12086098
It's like the FALCON WIDE shot from this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmAsHcTxHks

[Anonymous No.12086118]

>>12086016

[Anonymous No.12086125]

>>12086049
>Launch size: Superheavy

[Anonymous No.12086131]

>>12086105
HHHNNNNNGNNGNGGHHH

[Anonymous No.12086136]

>>12086016
Can someone explain to a newspacefag what I'm looking at? I assume the Vacuum Raptor engine is the larger one.
Why is the nozzle so much bigger?

[Anonymous No.12086140]

>>12086136
Gases expand differently at different ambient pressures so you need different nozzle shapes for maximum thrust. In vacuum the ambient pressure is zero so you need a much bigger nozzle.

[Anonymous No.12086142]

[Anonymous No.12086144]

>>12086136
>Can someone explain to a newspacefag what I'm looking at?
A Merlin (left) next to a Raptor (right).

>I assume the Vacuum Raptor engine is the larger one.
Correct.

>Why is the nozzle so much bigger?
larger the nozzle = faster and lower pressure the exhaust is = more fuel efficiency in space

[Anonymous No.12086147]

>>12086136
To get the most amount of thrust from rocket exhaust, you want to be as close to ambient pressure as possible when it leaves the nozzle, or else you are losing out on thrust. The pressure in space is almost 0, so you need more space for the exhaust to expand to reach that level of ambient pressure.

[Anonymous No.12086150]

>>12086144
Those are both Raptors, anon, just sea level vs. vacuum.

[Anonymous No.12086152]

>>12086150

[Anonymous No.12086153]

>years of aggressive pessimism
>leaping on every misstep as the final one that will finish off the company
>trumpeting doom at every delay
>mocking and jeering reuse as impossible and citing the Shuttle as evidence of that
>implying that space launch will always be expensive and nothing can be done about it,"that's just how it is"

Watching this attitude slowly die off and a wave of positivity and innovation sweep through aerospace has been beautiful. Surreal to still see a handful of stragglers pushing it.

[Anonymous No.12086170]

>>12086136
Fairly complicated, the tl;dr is that the longer the nozzle, the "straighter" you can make the exhaust gases go out the back and therefore the more energy you can extract from them to propel the rocket.

The problem is that at sea level, a massive vacuum nozzle results in the exhaust slowing down too much before exiting and the ambient pressure of the atmosphere can push its way into the combustion chamber and destabilize the whole thing.

Therefore small sea level nozzle first, big vacuum nozzle second.

[Anonymous No.12086171]

>>12086147
ambient pressure is different than STP right?

[Anonymous No.12086180]

>>12086153

Don't we have a resident shitposter that claims that Starship will never work and that "SpaceX has never gone to space"?

Imagine living your life jaded like that.

[Anonymous No.12086190]

>>12086171
Yes, ambient pressure is just whatever the pressure is around the rocket engine at a certain time. This is why you see the plume from a falcon 9 is very skinny when it takes off, but looks like pic related when it gets higher into the air. The engines are optimized for a higher pressure, and as they get higher up and the pressure drops, they become over expanded.

[Anonymous No.12086198]

>>12086190
Pic from takeoff for comparison

[Anonymous No.12086212]

putting these on rockets when bros?

[Anonymous No.12086213]

>>12086140
>>12086144
>>12086147
>>12086170
>>12086190
Thanks friends I learned something new today

[Anonymous No.12086222]

>>12086212
The Merlin and Raptor can already do thrust vectoring.

[Anonymous No.12086223]

>>12086222
they dont look as cool though

[Anonymous No.12086224]

I miss it bros

[Anonymous No.12086226]

>>12086212
This was what I was gonna say.
Though I'm sure someone has tried and it's probably more hassle than it's worth.

[Anonymous No.12086227]

>>12086213
Any time!

[Anonymous No.12086228]

>>12086016
So are the Vacuum Raptors going on Starship or Super-heavy?

[Anonymous No.12086230]

>>12086224
White tank bad
>tfw Columbia was my favorite

[Anonymous No.12086233]

>>12086226
I'm pretty sure that's the case, once you are in space it's not like the nozzle will ever need to change.

[Anonymous No.12086235]

>>12086228
Super-Heavy gets all sea level Raptors. Starship gets three sea level and three vacuum Raptors.

[Anonymous No.12086239]

redpill me on these gypsies

[Anonymous No.12086240]

Will super heavy follow a similar trajectory to the falcon 9?

[Anonymous No.12086242]

>>12086240
I believe the plan is RTLS on every flight once they get up to full speed.

[Anonymous No.12086244]

>>12086239
>Popescu faced 13 counts of fraud, five counts of embezzlement, and one count of forgery, according to an online arrest report. Popescu was arrested in Jonesboro, Georgia on Nov. 8 and then extradited to Dona Ana County, New Mexico. He was released on bail on November 28, 2017 and was awaiting trial.[25][26]
lmao

[Anonymous No.12086247]

>>12086242
>RTLS on every flight
Really? I thought the entire point of the drone ship was to more "Bang for your buck" out of the f9 booster. I'd think it'd be worth trying something similar, especially if it cuts down on propellant transfers needed

[Anonymous No.12086248]

>>12086247
Elon is focused on throughput for SH/SS, including same day booster reflights. Barge retrieval is too slow for that.

[Anonymous No.12086254]

>>12086032
RO by itself doesn't include anything with the tech tree or other career shit, you have to install RP1 for that

[Anonymous No.12086274]

>>12086248
They could have a stationary landing platform with a transfer crane out in the gulf, and a dedicated ferry to take them back to Boca Chica or a launch platform. With just a few boosters on hand, you could have a steady rotation for launches.

[Anonymous No.12086286]

>>12086274
with landing in the ocean you'll need different positions for different launches though, RTLS lets you just bring them all back to the same spot no matter where the target orbit is

[Anonymous No.12086288]

>>12086190
>they become over expanded
It's the other way around: a flow is over-expanded when thegl gas pressure is too low compared to ambient. As the rocket goes up in the atmosphere the flow becomes more and more UNDER expanded in the nozzle, so the rest of the expansion has to happen outside of the nozzle, hence the plume growing wider.

[Anonymous No.12086294]

>>12086061
Scott had some interesting thoughts about the 20km hop. Expects it to face plant on re-entry, and thinks they will have less luck re-lighting the raptors then they expect. Also says they will probably try a vertical hop and re-light before the belly flop.

[Anonymous No.12086322]

Here's some new Starlink proof SpaceX showed to FCC about their 100 Mbps/sub 100 ms latency

[Anonymous No.12086339]

>>12086322
could space eventually become the main internet infrastructure?
As in could some of the massive fiber optic cables become completely obsolete?

[Anonymous No.12086342]

>>12086016
Please confirm what the left engine is

[Anonymous No.12086344]

>>12086342
ratpor retard

[Anonymous No.12086345]

>>12086342
Might be an RD-190.

[Anonymous No.12086347]

>>12086342
if you look at the piping, you might notice it's exactly the same as the vacuum variant to the right

[Anonymous No.12086348]

>>12086339
>As in could some of the massive fiber optic cables become completely obsolete?
I doubt it. There are sensitive applications where every nanosecond counts (basically automated stock market trading), and I think that a starlink-like infrastructure can't achieve the same speed as fiber optics simply because it has to travel more distance and bounce through more nodes.

[Anonymous No.12086350]

>>12086294
Elon already said the first one and raptor is still in development and ends up crispy after a firing more often than not so none of that is exactly unexpected.

[Anonymous No.12086352]

>>12086339
Probably not for a while. Ground-based infrastructure can handle much higher bandwidths and will likely stay ahead for the foreseeable future. At least until we start getting much more and much heavier stuff into space.

[Anonymous No.12086354]

>>12086344
>>12086347
You are both idiots. Obviously it's an RL-10.

[Anonymous No.12086356]

>>12086339
Possibly when we advance our laser techs and CPUs that can handle those data become cheap enough to be used in space (aka less heat)

[Anonymous No.12086357]

>>12086342
They're both raptors. Merlin is way more streamlined at this point

[Anonymous No.12086359]

>>12086342
YF-20B for Elons hypergolic starship

[Anonymous No.12086361]

>>12086344
>>12086345
>>12086347
>>12086357
>>12086359
Trolled. I was only pretending to be retarded

[Anonymous No.12086362]

>>12086342
Merlin1D with human for scale.

[Anonymous No.12086363]

>>12086348
One of the biggest revenue pipelines starlink has the potential to hit is the fact that laser comms between the sats could bring it below even dedicated low-latency HFT pipelines. Space isn't that far compared to intercontinental distances and light's slower speed through fibre optics isn't insignificant.

[Anonymous No.12086368]

>>12086342
RS-25 they stole from boeing

[Anonymous No.12086372]

>>12086361
We know you were trolling. Any dumbass could tell that the engine is a BE-3U.

[Anonymous No.12086376]

>>12086372
bro are you stupid? it's a fucking Viking 5C

[Anonymous No.12086378]

>>12086356
>and CPUs
>become cheap enough to be used in space
CPU that go into space are usually stupid expensive despite the fact their architecture is some generations old. This is due to the fact that space-grade stuff (not only CPU) is certified with a paper trail to be within specs, and it's certified to withstand the space environment for the whole operating life of the spacecraft. This isn't likely to change, especially price-wise.

[Anonymous No.12086379]

>>12086342
It’s a BG-4U

[Anonymous No.12086383]

>>12086378
Completely irrelevant. SpaceX doesn't use space-grade garbage IBM pentium 1 equivalent chips.

[Anonymous No.12086384]

>>12086342
pretty sure that's a LV-45

[Anonymous No.12086387]

>>12086342
A N1-G6-4

[Anonymous No.12086388]

>>12086224
Despite flaws, the whole system was impressive in its own right. If it had a better heat shield and was operated within its constraints it would have been safer. And later versions could have been made even more reusable overall.

[Anonymous No.12086389]

>>12086376
>hurr I'm mentally disabled durr
It is clearly a CE-20.

[Anonymous No.12086393]

>>12086362
I'll coom when Raptor gets slimmed down and refined to this point.

[Anonymous No.12086395]

>>12086393
By that time, there would be several years gone and your expectations have risen even higher. So you wont "coom" because you wont get that rise.

[Anonymous No.12086400]

>>12086389
looks more like an O-10 desu

[Anonymous No.12086402]

A moment of silence for those poor astronauts that got assigned to Boeing instead of Spacex

[Anonymous No.12086403]

Given how much the Chinese love to copy shit, why haven’t they put together a knockoff Falcon 9? With their resources I can’t imagine it’d take them long

[Anonymous No.12086404]

>>12086395
>you won't "coom"
That's a bold statement for someone without a splash guard, I coom to everything from Starlink launches to hops. Even engines that aren't firing, just knowing that rockets exist is enough when I'm really horny.

[Anonymous No.12086407]

>>12086404
>That's my secret
>I'm always cooming

[Anonymous No.12086410]

>>12086403
They don't need to save on money through reusable rockets. Their village remover rockets are good enough.

[Anonymous No.12086411]

>>12086402
If they kill Sunita Waifu, we riot.

>>12086403
They're working on a reusable rocket...
With SRBs...
That don't come off.

[Anonymous No.12086412]

>>12086403
They got a private company or two doing what F9 did 10 years ago. So maybe they'll be there. I do wonder who will be the one to copy Starship concept.

[Anonymous No.12086414]

>>12086403
China sucks enormous donkey dick at industrial control programming and metallurgy - see any chink gore video for details. This makes it impossible for them to properly clone modern American things like the F-35 or Raptor.

[Anonymous No.12086417]

>>12086403
They have the scientists, what they don't have is the industry.
There are some things that are still too complicated for them to build, even if they have the understanding and know-how.

[Anonymous No.12086428]

test: tbf

[Anonymous No.12086429]

>[We are] aiming for an initial 372 isp, with eventual 380 isp for raptor
BROS I might actually coom. Raptor is already king. It’s amazing that they can whip out such a great engine so quickly. Companies like aerojet rocketdyne take 10 years to develop an engine and sell it for hundreds of millions of dollars. Raptor is already cheaper and better, and will only go down in price as it gets streamlined. Not to mention the fact that Elon wants to design an entire new rocket at some point which will probably outperform Raptor. SpaceX is a gift from god to the spaceflight community. Von braun’s legacy will continue

[Anonymous No.12086431]

>>12086429
Idk if someone posted already but here’s the context of that quote

[Anonymous No.12086434]

>>12086088
i suppose it would buckle if it wasnt pressurized, same with reentry. would pop like a balloon

[Anonymous No.12086435]

>>12086088
We'll find out. If it doesn't, then they'll change the design. If it does, then they'll improve upon it.

[Anonymous No.12086437]

Official Starlink test by SpaceX:
https://www.speedtest.net/result/9688435687
https://www.speedtest.net/result/9688465610

Source: https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/109041365616217/SpaceX%20Degani%20Ex%20Parte%20(9-4-20).pdf

[Anonymous No.12086438]

>>12086339
you'd need bigger satellites

[Anonymous No.12086439]

>>12086153
who are the stragglers?

[Anonymous No.12086441]

>>12086439

[Anonymous No.12086443]

>>12086429
I feel like I'm willingly drinking the koolaid on something too good to be true, but it blows my mind how far ahead SpaceX is compared to their competition and how they actually care about space exploration beyond just turning a short-term profit.

[Anonymous No.12086445]

>>12086348
wrong, Starlink is faster than fiber optical because the speed of light in glass is ~70% of the speed of light in vacuum

[Anonymous No.12086446]

>>12086212
Rocket engines are usually much smaller than jet engines, so they can vector the whole assembly, instead of just the nozzle. This simplifies things a great deal.

[Anonymous No.12086447]

>>12086235
I think they eventually want them all to be vacuum on starship, and add more than just 6

[Anonymous No.12086449]

First stage recovery when? Or why falcon9 didn't include it? Was it more complicated to do?

[Anonymous No.12086451]

>>12086025
Get that jew Tom lehrer out of here.
He is just mad he didn't make the Saturn V

[Anonymous No.12086454]

>>12086429
They have been working on it for at least 10 years and probably have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to develop it.

[Anonymous No.12086455]

>>12086339
The best option in my opinion is to keep fiber for high-bandwidth traffic between hubs, but bounce the signal through Starlink for the last mile or so to avoid having to run fiber to every individual neighborhood. It would be a massive improvement in efficiency.

[Anonymous No.12086458]

>>12086443
Honestly, the people who think that SpaceX is faking its success in some way kind have a solid basis for believing so. Think about it. Even the worlds best space agencies have been hampered and significantly challenged by space flight for decades. Everything requiring tons of cash, development time, and careful consideration even for a chance to be later developed. Then here comes this private company unlike anything else in the industry, and it slams through with a revolutionary vehicle, and even more revolutionary budget and time management. It just seems unreal, and paints the previous best of the best in the industry as incompetent. Yet, it's real. SpaceX are being revolutionary.

[Anonymous No.12086463]

>>12086443
I try very hard not to be an elon fanboy, but I can back up my support of SpaceX with independent nasa reviews like this: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20170008895

It's like kryptonite for SpaceX haters. It's really hard to argue with
>The most significant improvement, beyond even the improvements of 2-3Xtimes reviewed to here, was in the development of the Falcon 9 launch system, with an estimated improvement at least 4X to perhaps 10X times over traditional cost-plus contracting estimates, about $400 million vs. $4 billion.

[Anonymous No.12086465]

>>12086441
why do hyperloops trigger him? they don't seem that wacky a concept. also didnt he also say point to point isnt happening? i think the US military has bad news for him

[Anonymous No.12086470]

>>12086458
If this is true, it makes it seem like New Glenn would have difficulty recouping development costs, unless bozos is fine opperating at a massive loss, amazon style. guess we wont know how expensive it is till it actually flies, but i doubt it's as cheap as some expect

[Anonymous No.12086473]

>>12086463
Bonus graph. Red is cost of the shuttle, orange is cost of starliner + crew dragon.

[Anonymous No.12086481]

If we to terraform Mars, how would we decrease the relative percentage of CO2 for a breathable atmosphere without sending the planet into an ice age? as most proposals assume CO2 will be the bulk of the initial created atmosphere

[Anonymous No.12086483]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlKgCweQpNA
Alright, fuck it. I'm gonna install RVE64K.

[Anonymous No.12086493]

>>12086481
By making fuel via the Sabatier process and releasing O2? By using anaerobic methanotrophic bacteria?

[Anonymous No.12086494]

>>12086443
Yes I know exactly what you mean. I don’t want to fall into an elon meme and look back and cringe. But desu I think I agree with what other anons are saying: the spaceflight industry is currently a bloated leftover from the apollo days where these mega corporations expect billions of dollars for doing the bare minimum. Elon knows he can push the envelope, and he’s already a billionaire. By pouring in money and even SLIGHTLY outpacing and outperforming these bloated companies he will not only push the boundaries of spaceflight, but make more money in the end. I became a believer when he landed a F9. And I became a big believer when I watched the falcon heavy flight (it felt unreal, and still does). Yes elon has cringey fanboys. But he isn’t trying to sell kool aid

[Anonymous No.12086501]

>>12086473
Wow.
CRS and CCP combined add up to less than the development costs of SLS. What a fucking money pit. They should cancel the damned thing. It's an embarrassment at this point.

[Anonymous No.12086522]

>>12086501
Say that again to my face, you un-american traitor. I'll blast you apart with this gun, which is manufactured in alabama with parts sourced from all 50 states!!!

[Anonymous No.12086528]

>>12086483
spoiler: it looks like shit from anywhere except orbit because the high res ground textures are literally just applied to an EVE cloud layer because you cant apply textures that big to planets because mexican coding

[Anonymous No.12086531]

>>12086522
Did it cost you 21 billion to buy and 10 years to make?

[Anonymous No.12086535]

>>12086528
RSS already looks like shit on the ground anyway.

[Anonymous No.12086550]

>>12086535
some guy recently partially resurrected the EVE terrain feature for RSS that uses scatters to add detail textures to the ground, it helps a bit

[Anonymous No.12086570]

>>12086550
>>12086535
found the post again https://www.reddit.com/r/RealSolarSystem/comments/hx9g1d/eve_terrain_and_continuous_necromancy_rituals/
downside is that it only works in the main branch EVE and not the new EVE-Redux with improved perfomance
I think it's supposed to be integrated into one of the EVE branches eventually, but I can't be assed to go look through the forum to find the posts again

[Anonymous No.12086573]

>>12086391
it'd hopefully be from ceres but i actually don't know

[Anonymous No.12086578]

>>12086570
Bah, don't really care that much. I pretty much only use KSC, so I only see land in the first few seconds of launch until I'm up into space.

[Anonymous No.12086590]

>>12086578
It adds detail textures from orbit too, you can see it a bit with the wrinkly bits in the bottom center of this pic when I was testing it out
It's nowhere as detailed as RVE64K, but gives a bit more detail without sacrificing a ton of performance and having to fly through the ground textures on every launch

[Anonymous No.12086608]

>>12086573
30X steel is a meme, so what's next after 304L?

[Anonymous No.12086610]

>>12086608
305L

[Anonymous No.12086611]

>>12086608
whoops, disregard reply

[Anonymous No.12086617]

My farts tend to get VERY stinky when I eat a lot of veggies. I’m not sure why, but it’s terrible. Everyone likes their own brand, and I’ve been known to revel in the noxious fumes my ass produces when I eat like a pig. But after a big salad, something changes. My anus unleashes a miasma of despair so powerful, not even I can give it a second whiff. It is important to not that my veggie farts aren’t particularly big. I could never hope to clear out a room with them. But for those unfortunate enough to catch a whiff, it is a truly harrowing experience.

[Anonymous No.12086619]

>>12086617
imagine the isp

[Anonymous No.12086630]

>>12086617
brings a whole new meaning to the term hot gas thruster

[Anonymous No.12086662]

>>12086619
Sulfur actually has very bad Isp.

[Anonymous No.12086667]

>>12086142
Looking forward to Venusian Becknograd vs Martian Anarcho-Muskocracy in 20 years

[Anonymous No.12086671]

Tony Bruno hasn't told you Vulcan will be performing a propulsive landing? Oh honey..

[Anonymous No.12086678]

>>12086662
Farts are primarily composed of hydrogen and sometimes methane, which would give a very good ISP though.

[Anonymous No.12086684]

>>12086667
THERE IS ONE PLANET V

[Anonymous No.12086693]

Can anyone put Saturn V on top of Super Heavy?

[Anonymous No.12086698]

dont worry bros only civilian climate monitoring going on here :)

[Anonymous No.12086699]

>>12086693
No. Saturn V is too wide to fit on top of Super Heavy.

[Anonymous No.12086702]

>>12086698
like

[Anonymous No.12086705]

>>12086699
starliner is too wide to fit on atlas too

[Anonymous No.12086711]

>>12086705
I thought that was just Orion, to justify SLS.

[Anonymous No.12086725]

>>12086239
Pretty based logo though

[Anonymous No.12086731]

>>12086118
The Emperor developing the first power fist, circa m2

[Anonymous No.12086738]

Mommy's latest conference call with Boing and ULA.

[Anonymous No.12086752]

>>12086239
I always figured this was an elaborate theatre project by couple college students. Like they make pretty campy props and play pretend. As a bonus they can add it to their resumes and pocket a little ad money

[Anonymous No.12086755]

>>12086384
Fuck you that's a mainsail right there

[Anonymous No.12086756]

[Anonymous No.12086761]

>>12086756
I think your scaling is off. The sea level Raptor there is 10 feet tall.

[Anonymous No.12086766]

>>12086761
not my scaling

[Anonymous No.12086782]

Good Ol' Woodward is still plugging along at his wacky mass-altering vibration engine. To his credit he is having it independently tested and being quite open about everything,but at this point that lack of a smallsat test vehicle seems fishy. It is no longer that hard or expensive to put a small test device in orbit,esp if you grouped up with other university projects.

[Anonymous No.12086786]

>>12086782
watch McCulloch beat him to a smallsat test

[Anonymous No.12086791]

20km HOP WHEN

[Anonymous No.12086797]

>>12086791
old and busted
"flop when" is the new hotness

[Anonymous No.12086798]

>>12086678
methane is produced by ruminant animals, humans primarily produce hydrogen sulfide

[Anonymous No.12086799]

Trump boat party spotted in SEATTLE.

https://twitter.com/JoelMorenoKOMO/status/1302113618826129409/photo/1

[Anonymous No.12086801]

>>12086798
stinky hehe

[Anonymous No.12086803]

>>276041974
Either will work, but really you're better off with 5.56 like Kyle. There are no 30 shot revolvers.

[Anonymous No.12086805]

>>12086803
thanks, /k/

[Anonymous No.12086806]

>>12086803
>There are no 30 shot revolvers.
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.12086807]

>>12086805
>>12086806
fucking Kuroba made my reply go to the wrong thread

[Anonymous No.12086810]

>>12086782
Can't keep getting funding to work on zany moonshots with experimental data that performs worse than a random rock outgassing.

[Anonymous No.12086811]

>>12086806
>>12086807
hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.12086812]

>>12086807
*blocks ur fuckin path*

[Anonymous No.12086814]

>>12086812
>>12086811
nice

[Anonymous No.12086815]

>>12086786
His claims about results in testing are certainly bold.

I have a very strong feeling they're both wrong. But hey,it doesn't cost me anything ot keep an eye out. Woodward and Fearn are presenting soon at a breakthrough propulsion conference,hope it goes well.

[Anonymous No.12086827]

>>12086797
SHUT THE FUG UP

[Anonymous No.12086832]

>>12086350
raptor didn't end up crispy after firing this time though

[Anonymous No.12086834]

>>12086756
Pic related always makes me imagine the F1 is bigger than it actually is.

[Anonymous No.12086837]

>>12086834
the F-1 is fucking huge, dude, the Raptor already dwarfs that person in the image

[Anonymous No.12086842]

>>12086016

[Anonymous No.12086843]

>>12086608
what makes you think so

[Anonymous No.12086845]

>>12086834
What would happen if a person got sucked into an F1 turbopump? Don't ask me why he's in the RP-1 tank.

[Anonymous No.12086846]

Fuuuuck man the future looked so BRIGHT then.

I hope Boeing can revamp and become truly great again.

[Anonymous No.12086847]

>>12086791
october

[Anonymous No.12086848]

>>12086837
>that person

[Anonymous No.12086850]

>>12086845
you'd get shredded to bits and probably break the engine

[Anonymous No.12086851]

>>12086378
Uh any company that isn’t dealing with NASA bullshit can ignore those arbitrary bureaucratic requirements

[Anonymous No.12086854]

>>12086667
Can't wait for Venusian Sky Surfing at the 2128 Olympic Games

[Anonymous No.12086856]

>>12086850
I read somewhere Tom Mueller threw a rock in the Merlin turbopump and it survived. I wonder if you had a big enough engine it would just cough out a liquid person but not blow up the engine

[Anonymous No.12086860]

>>12086848
yeah, what's her face in this image >>12086756
I'm not talking about Wernher in the S-IC image

[Anonymous No.12086867]

>>12086860

[Anonymous No.12086869]

>>12086867
the turbopump on the F-1 is the size of a man

[Anonymous No.12086871]

Man when is Bezos sending up people into space? Like god dman it was supposed to be locked in like 2 years ago, they've done so many test launches for christ's sakes. what gives?

[Anonymous No.12086875]

>>12086834
it annoys me that bezos probably has the apollo 11 F1s in his mansion...not all the ones they pulled up were donated to museums afaik

[Anonymous No.12086877]

>>12086834
F-1 Vacuum when?

[Anonymous No.12086881]

>>12086016
>Woman for scale

[Anonymous No.12086883]

>>12086871
be more understanding and sensitive about baldness

[Anonymous No.12086884]

>>12086871
never ever
blue pee is doomed

[Anonymous No.12086888]

>>12086224
Get used to missing it.

[Anonymous No.12086890]

>>12086875
Can't wait for him to fish up the SLS engines

[Anonymous No.12086891]

>>12086888
Idk maybe im a faggot. I don't ever cry, but I rewatched one of the last shuttle flights and I was overwhelmed with nostalgia and sadness. It was weird

[Anonymous No.12086893]

VENUS
MANNED
LANDINGS

[Anonymous No.12086894]

>>12086437
What happened to super low latency internets?

[Anonymous No.12086898]

>>12086891
Don't worry, anon, we cancelled it so we could do something better.

[Anonymous No.12086900]

>>12086898
Yes, SLS!

[Anonymous No.12086904]

>>12086894
18 ms is super low compared to current satellite internet.

[Anonymous No.12086905]

>>12086900
No?

[Anonymous No.12086906]

Am I the only one here actually excited for first SLS launch? Yeah I know its expensive and not reusable but it'll still look cool as fuck when it launches.

[Anonymous No.12086910]

>>12086893
you could send a dude in a fucking container, right? just send em in a big thick ass container. self-contained pressure pod

[Anonymous No.12086911]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1dQtkd-GRU

...okay? I mean it does work,but 11 minutes? That seems underwhelming for the price.

[Anonymous No.12086912]

>>12086894
once they switch to laser satellite interlinks it should get a fair bit faster

[Anonymous No.12086913]

>>12086906
I honestly hope it blows up....it would be the cherry on top for how I feel about boeing

[Anonymous No.12086918]

>>12086913
I don't hope for that, but i would laugh if it did. I might honestly have to start believing in God if that happens.

[Anonymous No.12086919]

>>12086906
When is that? A year from now?
I didn't keep track of the delays.

[Anonymous No.12086927]

>>12086871
They're working on it

[Anonymous No.12086929]

>>12086531
It probably also only shoots 1 round then you have to buy a new one or refurbish the barrel for 110% of the price of a new one.

[Anonymous No.12086930]

>>12086927
WTF, are they really gonna use a balloon as a tank for this?

[Anonymous No.12086944]

hey euros, do you guys mind just turning off ESA and redirecting the budget to ESO instead?
thanks

[Anonymous No.12086945]

>>12086927
that's years and years off. I'm talking their tiny pleasure rocket.

[Anonymous No.12086955]

>>12086894
>5ms ping

LOL are you high? That's low as fuck.

[Anonymous No.12086979]

>>12086955
>has strayan internet.

[Anonymous No.12086983]

>>12086016
You just know.

[Anonymous No.12086986]

>>12086945
Welcome aboard this Fucking Dick

[Anonymous No.12086991]

>>12086979
Accurate guess yes, but if you are complaining about a 10ms round trip ping I don't know what to tell you given that the human body has a pretty much hard coded limit around 200ms.

[Anonymous No.12086992]

>>12086986
god why did they choose the most unattractive shade of blue possible
come the fuck on dude

[Anonymous No.12086994]

>>12086955
From my phone over home wifi and Spectrum isp. 49 ms

Fuck I can't wait to have starlink

[Anonymous No.12086996]

>>12086986
why did they choose hydrolox

[Anonymous No.12086998]

>>12086996
Muh heckin isparinooooo!

[Anonymous No.12087000]

https://www.space.com/nasa-europa-clipper-mission-rocket-limbo.html ahahahhaha

[Anonymous No.12087009]

>>12087000
>The House's proposed 2021 NASA budget, which was released in July, directs the agency to launch Clipper by 2025 and the Europa lander by 2027. The proposal dictates that SLS be used for both missions "if available."

Kill all politicians and ULA executives in minecraft

[Anonymous No.12087011]

Reusable rocket fuel when???

[Anonymous No.12087018]

>>12086061
Ben claims to mostly know about data science. But I‘ve never really heard him making any really insightful point about anything on the basis of that. I feel like his channel is kind of worthless and he mostly just makes bad jokes on the podcast.
Joe is just spamming out videos about all kinds of stuff so you shouldn‘t expect any particularly deep insights from him.
An essay or two a week about completely different topic doesn‘t leave much room for actual expertise. I know he had some major technical errors in his Skylon video. I guess his channel is mostly good for giving a short history on a topic rather than anything technical. His videos on physics are especially worthless because of this since he skims over all the actual science.
But I still watch his stuff semi-regularly. I don‘t hate him.

[Anonymous No.12087027]

>>12087000
>>12087009
What would happen if NASA just nodded their head yes and launched it on a Falcon Heavy anyway without advertisement?

[Anonymous No.12087030]

>>12087018
Tim is genuinely passionate and up to date on rocketry. His reputation as the "estronaut" isn't even warranted-the guy almost never talks about anything political at all. If anything he's been very fair about Jim Bridenstine's admin and seems pro-Space Force. He's not a super-lefty never trumper,or at least he never talks about it if he is.

[Anonymous No.12087035]

>>12087027

[Anonymous No.12087042]

>>12087030
>His reputation as the "estronaut" isn't even warranted-the guy almost never talks about anything political at all.

Its nothing to do with his politics, its his soi as fuck appearance and super cringe reddit style. You know his discord basically spoonfeeds him information right? He basically doesn't research anything. His photography is pretty good though.

[Anonymous No.12087043]

A modded falcon heavy with a vacuum raptor upper stage could easily launch the Europa clipper.

[Anonymous No.12087047]

>>12087042
believe it or not, he used to be a lot worse

[Anonymous No.12087049]

>>12086103
Sooner or later they have to close that thing permanently. No way they can do this song and dance every other day.

[Anonymous No.12087055]

>>12087035
Shelby likely won't run for reelection in 2022, Europa Clipper may be ready to launch by 2024. The consequences shouldn't be that bad

[Anonymous No.12087078]

>>12086136
A balloon expands as it ascends in the thinning atmosphere. Same is true for rocket exhaust. So in vaccuum you just stick a fuckhuge nozzle on the same engine. Makes it more efficient.
Oh and an engine with a fuckhuge nozzle would literally blow up at sea level pressure so that‘s why they even bother with the smaller ones initially.
Starship is going to have both kinds of engines as it acts both as an upper stage, a space ship and a landing capsule that needs to fire its engines on landing.

[Anonymous No.12087100]

>>12086411
>They're working on a reusable rocket...
>With SRBs...
>That don't come off.
Omega based. Please tell me the core stage is hypergolic.

[Anonymous No.12087121]

>>12087055
Dont worry I an ameircan patriot shall clone shelby so he shall live forever and bring america to the stars without DEPOTS

[Anonymous No.12087124]

>>12086756
Now show it next to vaccuum optimized F1 :)

[Anonymous No.12087127]

>>12086881
>jeff bezos
>0 tons to LEO

[Anonymous No.12087133]

>>12086913
Oh no! Someone sprayed liquid nitrogen at the O-rings before launch! What a terrible turn of events. However could this happen? Such a shame, really.

[Anonymous No.12087136]

>>12087133
payback for omegA

[Anonymous No.12087137]

>>12086996
To have an excuse as to why they can't fly it regularly, I guess.

[Anonymous No.12087144]

>>12087127
That's a SpaceX picture, retard.

[Anonymous No.12087146]

>>12087137
10 successful tests in a row to be fair, but god damn isnt that enough?

[Anonymous No.12087147]

>>12087030
>His reputation as the "estronaut" isn't even warranted
It's mostly just his demeanor that people find off-putting.
He's a bit too much like the stereotypical thin, weak looking, scarcly bearded guy with his mouth open getting overexcited at everything.

[Anonymous No.12087152]

>>12086224
How are we supposed to steal communist satelittes now?

[Anonymous No.12087153]

>>12087144
I was referencing an infograph someone here made in the hopes that someone would post it.
Listing tons to orbit of rockets along with a person for scale, labeling the person as Jeff Bezos: 0mT to LEO.
Whatever. Ignore me.

[Anonymous No.12087156]

>>12087030
That's fair.
On the other hand I don't know how you can support space and vote Biden.
The guy has no Space policy whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.12087157]

>>12087146
>in a row
It's all about the refurbishment procedures between the flights.

[Anonymous No.12087161]

>>12087147
>when the rocket lands

Bretty uncanny desu

[Anonymous No.12087165]

>>12087127
>>12087153

[Anonymous No.12087167]

>>12087157
Such a closed company.

[Anonymous No.12087168]

>>12087165
Ok, that's funy

[Anonymous No.12087169]

>>12087153
>>12087165
>Jeff Bezos
>(0 Tons to LEO)
Are you sure about that?

[Anonymous No.12087171]

>>12087165
Btfo

[Anonymous No.12087172]

>>12087169
Yes?

[Anonymous No.12087179]

>>12087165
based

[Anonymous No.12087185]

>>12086930
They poke a hole in it to take off.

[Anonymous No.12087189]

>>12087169
BO has never put anything in orbit

[Anonymous No.12087191]

>>12086239
>gypsies
You redpilled yourself already. Fraud, embezzlement and forgery.

[Anonymous No.12087194]

>>12087172
What if he eats a whole bowl of asparagus?

[Anonymous No.12087199]

>>12086393
Raptor will never look that sleek due to the complexity of FFSC compared to "let's just dump shitloads of fuel overboard" open cycle.

[Anonymous No.12087204]

>>12087194
Blue Pee™ technology

[Anonymous No.12087205]

Let's get real, it's almost as if BO needs 10 times more funds to get anything done than SpaceX.
I bet thy got mandatory hookers to relieve stress or whatnot.

[Anonymous No.12087207]

>>12086986
We hope you enjoy your flight with AmazonBasics Rockets

[Anonymous No.12087209]

>>12086395
Methane NTR Phoenix engine when?

[Anonymous No.12087210]

decane NTR when bros

[Anonymous No.12087215]

Crude oil NTR when bros

[Anonymous No.12087216]

I really like this timeline.
Both Bezos and Vasimir retards are getting their ass handed to them.

[Anonymous No.12087217]

>>12086986
Look at that dinky little rocket bell. LOOK AT IT AND LAUGH!

[Anonymous No.12087218]

>>12087216
Punished Zubrin is thoroughly vindicated.

[Anonymous No.12087219]

stale piss NTR when bros

[Anonymous No.12087281]

>>12087218
now we just need mini starship and the trifecta is complete

[Anonymous No.12087288]

>>12087281
Kek he is so autistic about his mini starship, when he was trying to push it on Elon irl who was just like, "bro stop I'm not building that gay shit"

[Anonymous No.12087293]

>>12087281
I sort of get where he is coming from with his mini starship, it makes a lot of sense in the oldspace tuna can paradigm, but we really, really need to move past that.

[Anonymous No.12087356]

>>12087293
it's strange that he's so adamant about it to the point where he makes up shit about starship being too big to land on the moon (he ignores it will be with hot gas thrusters). Also complains that it'll cost too much to refuel on mars (who cares)

[Anonymous No.12087367]

>>12087293
>>12087356
>nooooooooo you can't just use your big fucking rocket, why won't you look at my sensible little tin can, look at how efficient it is on delta v reeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.12087392]

>>12087356
>>12087367
you would think he'd be all for getting the most mass possible to the surface. you can't do that with a tin can

[Anonymous No.12087393]

>>12086458
I think the success of SpaceX is in big part due to the lack of original funding and the hardships they went trough at the beginning. There are numerous stories about how they just jury rigged up what they needed by scavenging rocket landfills, bought market ACs instead of going for the space grade million dollar stuff etc. It's this "improvise, adapt, overcome" spirit that makes this company build stainless steel super heavy rockets by Mexican welders in a backyard. Their engineers are probably in a perpetual crunch also, which helps, but their accomplishments probably keep them working if the union busting brigades don't.

[Anonymous No.12087396]

Bezos often displayed scientific interests and technological proficiency, and he once rigged an electric alarm to keep his younger siblings out of his room.[17][18] The family moved to Miami, Florida, where Bezos attended Miami Palmetto High School in nearby Pinecrest, Florida.[19][20] While Bezos was in high school, he worked at McDonald's as a short-order line cook during the breakfast shift.[21] He attended the Student Science Training Program at the University of Florida. He was high school valedictorian, a National Merit Scholar,[22][23] and a Silver Knight Award winner in 1982.[22] In his graduation speech, Bezos told the audience he dreamed of the day when mankind would colonize space. A local newspaper quoted his intention "to get all people off the earth and see it turned into a huge national park".[24]

bezos is based as fuck and loves space has more money, why is he not more successfull with space stuff than musk, what did he do wrong and what does he need to do?

[Anonymous No.12087399]

>>12087396
>bezos is based as fuck

Yeah, no. There is a good reason why pretty much everyone hates him.

[Anonymous No.12087400]

>>12086061
Joe is a general tech guy, seems to mostly hear about something in the media then read the wiki on it.
Ben is a business guy, he understands what makes something economically viable.
Tim is mainly a rocket guy but seems to put in the most effort of the 3 to educate himself on other topics.

[Anonymous No.12087404]

>>12087399
What's the reason?

[Anonymous No.12087405]

>>12087396
Earth should be demolished and turned into pressurized deep space habitats

[Anonymous No.12087407]

>>12086294
Anyone that remembers Falcon 1 and Falcon 9 development knows BFR is going to keep exploding / crashing for awhile yet.
My money is on them not even risking a boat and just trying to do a soft water landing before they let it anywhere near something worth money.

[Anonymous No.12087408]

>>12087396
>he worked at McDonald's as a short-order line cook during the breakfast shift
>be wagie
>be aware of the utter shit and despair it is
>make it big
>treat your employees 100x worse and fuck them over at every turn
>be the literal progenitor of the wage cage meme

Wow I didn't think it was possible to hate him even more than I already did, thought he was born into some money. How can you work as a blue collar and then turn into a satanic oligarch piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.12087411]

>>12087404
deflated blue balls

[Anonymous No.12087413]

>>12087408
Are you commie btw?

[Anonymous No.12087416]

>>12087405
Or perhaps an intergalactic highway construction project for a hyperspace express route

[Anonymous No.12087418]

>>12087408
Why shouldn’t he? Making money means gaining power, and gaining power is good. It doesn’t matter if some random idiot he doesn’t know personally has a bad experience as one of his employees as long as the cash, and thus power, keeps rolling in.

[Anonymous No.12087419]

>>12087404
>"left wing"
>Hates him because he is uber rich and fucks over his employees at every turn, paying then like shit, no unionising, etc...

>"right wing"
>Hayes him because he is solely responsible for the mass importation of cheap, easily accessible thrid world products, finishing off any semblance of native industry
>Hates him because he brings in masses of cheap imported labour and fucking over the native population

>Third positionists
>Yeah nah rope this cunt

[Anonymous No.12087425]

>>12087408
>>12087399
>>12087419

i mean how being hated does stop you from doing successful space stuff?

[Anonymous No.12087431]

>>12087396
So why does Elon NOT want to build space habitats? They'd be way better for long-term human habitation off-Earth than pretty much anything else at present.
Wanting to turn all of Earth into a giant national park is absolute tree-hugger tier though.
>>12087425
It doesn't inherently, but do you really think someone like Bezos will actually do successful space stuff when he's already nearly China-tier with all things he does regarding space?

[Anonymous No.12087432]

>>12087419
everyone just jelly bc he have big monies

[Anonymous No.12087433]

>>12087413
No, but all sides of the political spectrum have valid reasons to oppose and hate him.

>>12087418
>gaining power is good
>Hitler was good
>Stalin was good
>Pol Pot was good
>Thatcher was good
>George Washington was good

Try to develop a coherent worldview retard.

>>12087425
>i mean how being hated does stop you from doing successful space stuff

He seems pretty capable of not doing any successful space stuff without any interference lmao, 0 tonnes to orbit, pathetic.

[Anonymous No.12087435]

>>12087431
>So why does Elon NOT want to build space habitats?

Colonizing planets is 100x cooler and more practical.

[Anonymous No.12087438]

>>12087433
>Hitler was good
>Stalin was good
>Pol Pot was good
>Thatcher was good
>George Washington was good

Yes. I agree with all of those premises so my worldview is coherent. I value literally nothing except increasing my personal power and the power of a handful of people I associate with,

[Anonymous No.12087442]

>>12087419
>be me, global neoliberal capitalist
>Love Bezos and Musk, even think the Zuck is kinda based

It's a lonely world out there.

[Anonymous No.12087443]

>>12087431
>So why does Elon NOT want to build space habitats?

Because space habitats are so much further down the line than establishing habitats on a planet with massive available resources that it's laughable.

>when he's already nearly China-tier with all things he does regarding space?
>China
>Successfully launches the most tonnage of space hardware every year (peasant village sacrifices aside)
>Bezos
>Um I have a sub orbital dildo that hasn't flown anything to orbit and an engine that I haven't even sold for a flight yet

[Anonymous No.12087444]

>>12087431
>They'd be way better for long-term human habitation off-Earth than pretty much anything else at present
Planets are a proven technology. If you have the capacity to build O'Neill cylinders, you're probably a machine race that has no need for an atmosphere/dirt/food/toilet

[Anonymous No.12087446]

>>12087433
Some of those guys were good

[Anonymous No.12087447]

>>12087438
>I value literally nothing except increasing my personal power and the power of a handful of people I associate with

Enjoy the camps, 4chan incel.

[Anonymous No.12087448]

>>12087404
Because he's a locust. He doesn't leave anything behind for the local community except sales taxes and taxes on employee wages. Add in that he uses his market position to snuff out competition and he's absolute fucking scum.
His money that could have gone to help where he sets up shop? Tucked away in tax paradises through BEPS and the like.

Yes, he may create jobs, but he's making damn sure that there's nothing for the local community to gain from it and maximum for him to gain from it.

[Anonymous No.12087449]

>>12087447
>I want to put people I disagree with in camps
>haha I don’t lust for power over others tho

We are the same thing; only you shackle yourself with delusions.

[Anonymous No.12087452]

>>12087443
bezos fucks the sky with his little blue penis. but remember, it's not about size, it's what you do with it

[Anonymous No.12087453]

>>12087449
Wew lad all this projection.

[Anonymous No.12087454]

>>12087449
Not the same guy but nothing wrong with putting shitty people into camps.

[Anonymous No.12087456]

>>12087446
if you read about hitler, he wasn't that bad. he gave us von braun

[Anonymous No.12087458]

>>12087448
>He doesn't leave anything behind for the local community except sales taxes and taxes on employee wages

So what?

> Add in that he uses his market position to snuff out competition

So what?

> His money that could have gone to help where he sets up shop?

Why should he use his money to “help where he sets up shop”?

> but he's making damn sure that there's nothing for the local community to gain from it and maximum for him to gain from it.

Sounds like a smart and admirable person.

[Anonymous No.12087459]

>>12087452
>it's what you do with it
>things bezos has done with his little blue penis
>...
>.......
>..........

[Anonymous No.12087460]

>>12087454
we have tent city here in az where we put the stinky wetbacks

[Anonymous No.12087461]

>>12087456
yeah he was an okay dude. Some issues though but no one is perfect

[Anonymous No.12087462]

>>12087458
Absolutely ropeable

[Anonymous No.12087464]

>>12087458
You cant have a decent society if you think like this. but I just think you're being edgy to shit up this thread.

[Anonymous No.12087465]

>>12087432
> They'd be way better for long-term human habitation off-Earth than pretty much anything else at present

Can i have some proofs or maybe your reasoning?


>>12087433
> seems pretty capable of not doing any successful space stuff without any interference lmao

So why is it? Or is being hated in our time realy prevents you from going to space?

>>12087442
You'r not alone. Kinda I don't have much bad fealing about bad oligarch guys making advanced stuff if it could speed up our civilization etc.

> His money that could have gone to help where he sets up shop?

Wait re you using same arguments some guys against musk?

[Anonymous No.12087466]

>>12087448
i mean, idgaf if he's an asshole or not. i just want him to get off his ass and use his money and power to actually compete in newspace

[Anonymous No.12087468]

>>12087454
It is merely using your power to impose your will onto others, and that is indeed a noble act.

[Anonymous No.12087469]

>>12087465
=>
>>12087448

[Anonymous No.12087470]

>>12087435
>Colonizing planets is 100x cooler
In TV shows, maybe.
>and more practical.
Not when the gravity is so different that it would fuck up the development of children thus ending any ability to be a self-sustaining colony.
>>12087443
They are further down the line. I don't have any problem with establishing colonies on other planets for now to bridge the gap until we can reasonably start making habitats in space, but it doesn't seem like Elon cares about space habitats at all.
And the only difference between Bezos and China is that Bezos has to keep up some semblance of competency and profit. So he can't just slam billions upon billions of dollars into random shit to make it work. They both steal most of their tech and other shit.
>>12087444
That's a massive leap.
But also they don't even have to be full on O'Neill cylinders, the only things that need to have artificial gravity are the places where humans will spend most of their time (so basically just the habitation itself and maybe food growth). A lot of the stuff can either be remotely controlled by a human on board or humans can just do spacewalks for a little bit when they need to. Even several hours of zero-g per day in a normal work week is fine so long as you live in a normal-g environment.

[Anonymous No.12087471]

>>12087458
Because there's something called a social contract. You take out of a community, you give back to it, that's how capitalism works. You still make a shitload of money off it. But for assholes like Bezos, it's just not enough.
In the end, you end up with no fucking money to pay for anything and your country turns into a complete shithole.

>>12087466
How can he do that? His money is in Ireland. He'll have to be very careful how he moves his money or he'll have to pay taxes on it. You don't know how BEPS works.

[Anonymous No.12087472]

>>12087468
No its putting shitty people like you that are a scourge of mankind into camps.So you can at least be some use for the good of us all is a noble act

[Anonymous No.12087473]

>>12087466
+

[Anonymous No.12087475]

>>12087464
>You cant have a decent society if you think like this

What do you mean by “decent”?
I’d agree to an extent that it would be undesirable if the entire population thought like that, because the positive selection pressure would disappear for such a trait, but as long as it’s expressed only in a minority of the population, it can be very advantageous for them. I don’t feel empathy for people who aren’t my blood relatives and friendly associates, and generally act only to benefit myself and that small group.

[Anonymous No.12087477]

>>12087470
>Not when the gravity is so different that it would fuck up the development of children thus ending any ability to be a self-sustaining colony

It’s quite literally only conjecture to suggest that even zero-g would fuck up “development”

[Anonymous No.12087478]

>>12087470
>gravity is so different that it would fuck up the development of children
evolve better children

[Anonymous No.12087479]

>>12087475
Yeah but that just proves you're a leech on society. If you were productive or good your behavior should be widespread. It would then stand to reason to stamp out or discourage such behavior.

[Anonymous No.12087481]

>>12087471
>You take out of a community, you give back to it, that's how capitalism works.

Bezos does pay his employees, and provide a service to those who buy his shit, so he acts within the bounds of the social contract.

[Anonymous No.12087484]

>>12087481
Pay taxes on your income, that's how it works. He doesn't. He tucks it away through BEPS. His workers follow the social contract, he breaks it.

[Anonymous No.12087485]

>SPACEFLIGHT

[Anonymous No.12087486]

> but it doesn't seem like Elon cares about space habitats at all.

elon wants just some good life on mars far from stupid earthlings,

[Anonymous No.12087488]

>>12087479
>Yeah but that just proves you're a leech on society

I don’t give a fuck about society. Society is shit.

> If you were productive or good your behavior should be widespread.

Not true. If the trait was too widespread, it would stop being advantageous, so it remains present but a minority.

[Anonymous No.12087490]

>>12087484
>He doesn't. He tucks it away through BEPS

Good for him. I admire a tax evader.

[Anonymous No.12087491]

>>12087471
Wut? Is money in Ireland problem for competing in newspace?

[Anonymous No.12087492]

IT'S TEARING US APART

[Anonymous No.12087493]

>>12087491
You can't get it back into the country without paying taxes on it. Google had the nerve to demand it back into the country without paying taxes on it under Obama.

[Anonymous No.12087494]

>>12087470
Space habitats are stupid they won’t happen

[Anonymous No.12087495]

https://www.nasa.gov/specials/ESDSuppliersMap/

[Anonymous No.12087498]

>>12087488
>i dont give a fuck
Okay then you wont care if people stamp you out.
>not true
Its not advantageous to having a society at all. Thats why its not the norm and people who have those traits should be nothing more then expendable killers or in camps.

[Anonymous No.12087500]

>>12087490
Yeah, if he did pay taxes, he would be funding SLS. I consider myself liberal, but even I know giving the government my money is the last thing I want to do

[Anonymous No.12087501]

> Is being hated in our time realy prevents you from going to space?
up

[Anonymous No.12087503]

>>12087498
>I don’t understand population genetics

[Anonymous No.12087506]

>>12087493
I don't understand you/ You mean bezos cant money back in ireland without paying taxes on it?

[Anonymous No.12087507]

>>12087495
pissed myself with patriotism looking at that map

[Anonymous No.12087508]

>>12087506
Can't move money out of Ireland and into US and put it into BO without paying a hefty tax on it. Because his income is from Amazon.

[Anonymous No.12087509]

>>12087503
>trying any justification to just be an edgy teen.

[Anonymous No.12087511]

>>12087495
>Cable Ties And More
Cable Ties And More
>Cable Ties And More
Cable Ties And More

[Anonymous No.12087513]

>>12087477
How could it not? It fucks with very healthy fully grown men after not even a year, more than enough to cause potential danger if they stayed in zero-g for too long. Even if it had absolutely no other effects whatsoever, a child raised in a low-g environment would be unable to return to a normal-g environment due to how much the heart would atrophy, just due to them spending so much time in it if nothing else.

[Anonymous No.12087514]

>>12087509
I need no justification. It’s simply a true statement that it can be beneficial to yourself to not help others.

[Anonymous No.12087515]

>>12087511
>and more

[Anonymous No.12087519]

>>12087513
>It fucks with very healthy fully grown men after not even a year, more than enough to cause potential danger if they stayed in zero-g for too long.

No it doesn’t lol
It just makes certain bones and muscles shrink since they aren’t doing as much.

[Anonymous No.12087521]

>>12087511
THEY'RE NOT EVEN GOOD AT CABLES

[Anonymous No.12087524]

>>12087519
>It just makes certain bones and muscles shrink
Certain muscles like the heart? Seems like a pretty important muscle to have getting weaker after such a short time.

[Anonymous No.12087525]

>>12087508
Oh thanks. it now makes sense kinda. But could't he build rockets in somewhere other than us? But then it'd be significally expensive to transport them for us or what?

[Anonymous No.12087526]

>>12087513
it only fucks them if they want to return. if you're born on mars it wont fuckin matter

[Anonymous No.12087529]

>>12087514
yeah yourself. I consider the long term well being of people not just myself. I dont see the benefit long term to the things I care about if I acted like you.

[Anonymous No.12087531]

>>12087525
>irish rockets

[Anonymous No.12087533]

>>12087521
>their cables and more cause the sls crewed launch to blow up.

[Anonymous No.12087535]

A banner streak of wealth gains came to an end Thursday for the world’s richest technology billionaires.

The industry’s 10 wealthiest people had $44 billion erased from their collective net worth as U.S. equities tumbled the most in almost three months over investor concerns about frothy valuations.

Amazon.com Inc. founder Jeff Bezos led the way, dropping $9 billion as shares of the e-commerce giant fell the most since June. Elon Musk’s net worth fell by $8.5 billion as Tesla Inc. neared bear-market territory, marking his third-straight day of declines.

The reversal of fortunes underscores the ephemeral nature of paper wealth, particularly in a lofty market that at times seems divorced from economic realities.

[Anonymous No.12087536]

>>12087525
No. If he did he'd be barred from doing anything with them in regards to the US because of national security concerns.

[Anonymous No.12087538]

>>12087533
technically they're an orion contractor. the only one in wyoming

[Anonymous No.12087539]

>>12087524
It doesn’t matter as long as you stay where you are. The body is adaptive. It will atrophy if it doesn’t need the mass and it will grow if it needs the mass. It’s the same reason doing bench presses grows your pectorals and ceasing to do bench presses for a few weeks will start shrinking them

[Anonymous No.12087541]

>>12087531
Seems cool.
>>12087536
US cant use foreign rockets?

[Anonymous No.12087545]

>>12087525
ITAR.

[Anonymous No.12087547]

>>12087529
I act to benefit a number of other people I could count on my hands. The rest are free game.

[Anonymous No.12087549]

What's the difference between SLS and STS?

[Anonymous No.12087553]

>>12087541
They probably can (see: the Russian engine they used for the past decade or so), but it's a giant hassle and would require explicit permission for each specific thing in the rocket. Though that was for NASA itself, not a private company. Overall if he were going to build the rocket somewhere it would probably be better to go all in on wherever he was going to build it rather than trying to play every side.

[Anonymous No.12087556]

>>12087526
>>12087539
So we're just gonna have non-Earth humans be weak as shit? Seven foot tall, hundred pound Martian "humans"? That's a very good way to make humans be much less human much much faster.

[Anonymous No.12087558]

>>12087556
Gotta keep the martians weak so they don't start getting ideas.

[Anonymous No.12087567]

>>12087556
they're called miggers

[Anonymous No.12087568]

>>12087556
Yay, diversification!

[Anonymous No.12087570]

Today in history:
>1929 – Andriyan Nikolayev, Russian general, pilot, and astronaut, is born (died 2004).
>1977 – Voyager Programme: NASA launches the Voyager 1 spacecraft.
>1984 – STS-41-D: The Space Shuttle Discovery lands after its maiden voyage.

[Anonymous No.12087576]

Why elon doesn't have thoughts about asteroid mining? Is it bad

[Anonymous No.12087578]

>>12087576
It is extremely profitable but we need to get there first, the starship could help with that

[Anonymous No.12087580]

>>12087549
The former is souless, the later is pure soul.

[Anonymous No.12087586]

>>12087576
Once you move your industrial base off Earth, the prospect becomes more exciting.

[Anonymous No.12087590]

>>12087549
space lunch system
space the shuttle

[Anonymous No.12087593]

>>12087576
>Is it bad
For earth use yes, for off earth use no.

[Anonymous No.12087594]

>>12087576
during the great gold rush it was the train companies that got rich not the miners, he's building the train

[Anonymous No.12087599]

>>12087590
I want space lunch.

[Anonymous No.12087603]

>>12087594
>ymn be a space trucker hauling a mined astroroid worth of minerals and metals in a multi-colour space tug.

[Anonymous No.12087605]

>>12086473
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""science""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

[Anonymous No.12087606]

>>12087603
>You will never haul a payload of refined ores through space only ot be woken up early and find you are in the wrong area because the computer detected a possible SOS symbol on an uninhabited world and company policy dictates that you must respond.

[Anonymous No.12087611]

>>12086103
>>12087049
Well it's a backroad to nowhere, only used by... like the 20 youtube streamers striving for that 24/7 360° sphere live diorama in 24500^3p... and they are running a fucking space program, so I can see them just keep doing that indefinitely as well.

[Anonymous No.12087614]

>>12087606
Is it some real plot or reference?

[Anonymous No.12087618]

>>12087614
Alien

[Anonymous No.12087619]

>>12087614
It doesn't matter, we just seriously need to talk about the bonus situation.

[Anonymous No.12087620]

>>12087603
space tug pulling a whole asteroid by anchoring some ellipsoid that is part of the asteroid ?

[Anonymous No.12087627]

>>12087594
So miners selt gold to intermediaries that are secretly train companies agent?

[Anonymous No.12087695]

>>12087620
Couldn't find an appropriate Chris Foss image to go with the text.

[Anonymous No.12087701]

>>12087576
Bezos is the one that is probably thinking of that more, even if he doesn't say it out loud, all his talk about "building space infrastructure for future entrepreneurs" just reeks of outer space amazon, where they'll carry stuff for others in and out of space

[Anonymous No.12087715]

>>12087606
I'm a contractor, the company lately handed out SAR gigs and with the lack of options around here r n, I took the bite. Turns out some 14200brt escort vette never resumed pinging after blackout period and the last node and vector of their flight path suggested, they were dipping into high atmosphere of this shithole planet. You know, the fun zone with all he storms and thick neural gas wakes from that mining accident bout 3000sols ago? So I siliconed my old Cobray up, cus you really don't want contamination and headed out. Day two, 8 hours in on the sensors yelling at wakes 500m out and reflective wakes 500m away yelling at my sensors it's starting really to get exciting, when my starboard fuel rail starts pinging again and I have to reroute... the price for having these old pre ban hyperionized aerospikes, I guess, but they are way worth it. I tell you man, the pickup man...
Yea well turns out I'm crawling because of sensor range, but still this airframe, I love it. Out of nowhere this fucking giant massive thing pops up and I'm sliding straight into it. I'm giving it a purge and simultanious emergrncy rotaté into a dead reverse vector. I just barely match up my V with this fucker... Actually I don't, because I'm inside it. A cavity... Pop my floods and It looks crusty, about as crusty as cargo bays on mining carriers... and it turns out, that it's indeed just a bit more crusty with all the gamma radiation going on here. You now wonder how I'm in an "air tight" compartment of a mining carrier and still streaming, or the fuck, hvy mining carriers fuck around this low over company bodies.
I was wondering that too.

Thing's completely burnt out, bays imploded and the reactors clearly banana'd it. Without propulsion this fucker will just stay in this semi stable orbit for at least another 60sols. Good thing is, it's integrity should be alright and it's loaded.
Trading data for legal salvage! Only took up what my Cobray c'd hold, It's virtually untouched.

[Anonymous No.12087747]

>>12086451
it's a good song, nazi boy BTFO

[Anonymous No.12087752]

>>12086494
I still don't believe in starship. I think it will fly but will be scaled down and probably will never go to mars.

[Anonymous No.12087753]

>>12087715
Cmmon, I always hear you guys moaning about the recession and that you want to ditch mining for more profitable gigs. Now is the time.

Make me an offer,
I'm sitting on a million and a half registered tons of legal salvage, the VAG Logasiri, plus cargo in easy to reach, stable orbit! Clean, years old write-off, no drama!
Give me a figure, or a take... retool your crap, bring a barge and haul that shit up here, now!

We're talking exclusive salvage claim, and I can even stick around to look after you or do some haulig (my ship is cleared for 600kdan)!

[Anonymous No.12087759]

>>12087752
second that

[Anonymous No.12087763]

>>12087408
People who live hard lives generally don't attack the system but others who don't want to join them. The "I had to do it so why shouldn't you?" mentality.

[Anonymous No.12087764]

>>12087752
*scaled UP

[Anonymous No.12087767]

>>12087752
What would cause it to be scaled down? Starship was already a massive scale down from ITS. Also Elon mentioned liquidating Tesla shares to fund it, so doubt it'd be a money problem

[Anonymous No.12087770]

>>12087759
Finally someone else who isn't a fanboy. Musk is doing great things but Starship is overambitious and his Mars mission is full of flaws that he's just handwaved away. Also he is succeeding in an existing market, satellites. There is currently zero market for Mars so just because SpaceX is doing well in the orbital market doesn't mean it will translate to interplanetary success.

[Anonymous No.12087772]

>>12087764
>Don't talk to me or my little brother ever again.

[Anonymous No.12087775]

>>12087752
There's no money on mars.

[Anonymous No.12087776]

>>12087767
life support and safety issues of carrying 100 people at once. that many raptors may not work together (not saying it won't but it's a new engine on a new rocket who knows) the heat shield will likely be dumped (it already has been for Artemis hasn't it?). In orbit refuelling is still speculative technology, if it doesn't work good it will severely limit Starship, possibly even kill it. And as you said they already scaled it down from ITS implying that they put out concepts that are unrealistic.

[Anonymous No.12087791]

>>12087775
It doesn’t matter if there’s money there or not. SpaceX does what Elon Musk wants it to.

[Anonymous No.12087794]

>>12087791
I'd like to see someone go to Mars with no money.

[Anonymous No.12087796]

>>12087776
>In orbit refuelling is still speculative technology

Wrong it’s already been done stop talking

[Anonymous No.12087798]

>>12087794
mars uses the barter system, currency is unnecessary

[Anonymous No.12087800]

>>12087776
Lunar Starship doesn't have a heat shield because it doesn't need one, the Artemis requirements mean they probably won't be re-entering earth again

[Anonymous No.12087803]

>>12087798
I hear that Martians use a cashless system known as 'Dogecoin'

[Anonymous No.12087809]

>>12087776
how some people are betting against spacex this late in the game is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.12087823]

>>12086983
i just what

[Anonymous No.12087827]

>>12087776
The size is pretty much already set. I do see your point on life support and right now the heat shield tiles freak me out too. However you have to remember that even an expendable Starship costs under $100 Million, and it can put 180-200 tons into LEO. Trust me, Starship will survive.

[Anonymous No.12087839]

>>12087794
Elon Musk can launch Mars mission with the equivalent of pocket change

[Anonymous No.12087850]

>>12087809
stupidity and wanting (you)s
>>12087827
heat tiles will be ok

[Anonymous No.12087851]

>Domtard suddenly appear again
Fuck off Old Space shills

[Anonymous No.12087857]

>>12087851
they always find a way to slime into threads

[Anonymous No.12087858]

>>12087770
Yeah the thing is that even if flight to mars will be successfull, raising martian infrastructure is diffuclt af

[Anonymous No.12087866]

>>12087858
Super easy, you mean.

[Anonymous No.12087873]

All it took was a single photo of the vacuum raptor to get the oldspace shills to come out of the woodwork. Sad!

[Anonymous No.12087890]

Another day another day the SLS is still fucking useless

[Anonymous No.12087891]

but....guys........will going to mars be safe??

[Anonymous No.12087895]

>>12087891
No (and that's a good thing)

[Anonymous No.12087905]

>>12087891
We'll bubble wrap starship. And don't forget to wear shin guards

[Anonymous No.12087935]

>>12087891
The biggest threat for humans on Mars will be the other humans on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12087936]

>>12087823
The way she‘s looking at that big, powerful engine. You just know.

[Anonymous No.12087954]

>>12087858
>3d printer go brrrrrrrrrr

[Anonymous No.12087957]

>>12087936
'fraid I don't, old sport

[Anonymous No.12087958]

>>12087954
Where the fuck would they get plastic from?

[Anonymous No.12087962]

>>12087958
oh, honey

[Anonymous No.12087963]

>>12087958
starship

[Anonymous No.12087965]

Did everybody see the Isaac Arthur face reveal?

[Anonymous No.12087966]

>>12087958
the future is (regolith)

[Anonymous No.12087970]

>>12087965
Face reveal? Guy does livestream q&a monthly where you see him.

[Anonymous No.12087977]

>>12087954
This meme stopped being funny like 3 months ago

[Anonymous No.12087979]

>>12087977
ok, boomer

[Anonymous No.12087991]

>>12087764
>not the 110 meter diameter version

[Anonymous No.12088005]

>>12087764
God I want to fly in one so fucking bad bros.

[Anonymous No.12088006]

Starship has captured the imagination. It is the Space Shuttle of our time. They can't not get it spaceworthy.

[Anonymous No.12088012]

>>12087890
SLS does have a use. To charge up fury in space flight nerds to be used on an anger powered rocket.

[Anonymous No.12088016]

Alright, tried using RVE64k but it just crashes once the main menu loads. Nevermind then.

[Anonymous No.12088017]

OK /sfg/, who will copy Starship first? ULA with their 3-stage Magma Griffin rocket, Blue Pee with New Armstrong, Rocket Lab with Tau Superheavy, China with their Extra Long Ching Chong, or perhaps even Arianespace with Le Frog Heavy

[Anonymous No.12088024]

>>12088017
China always copies, it will be them 100% since Poo Origin won't ever get to Armstrong

[Anonymous No.12088029]

>>12087935
Martian wars will be badass. I hope we war with eachother for billions of years amongst the stars

[Anonymous No.12088032]

>>12088017
>>12088024
yeah it is assumed China, maybe the more interesting question is who will be third

[Anonymous No.12088040]

Status SpaceX Chads?? Are we getting nervous yet???

[Anonymous No.12088041]

>>12088017
Probably Blue Origin. They were already studying belly-flopping capsules before ITS. They have the talent, knowledge, and capability to do so. All they need is proper motivation.

[Anonymous No.12088045]

>>12088040
>opens hanger door
>BRRRAAAAAAAP

[Anonymous No.12088051]

>>12088041
sauce on the flip flop?

[Anonymous No.12088058]

>>12088040
Why would anyone be nervous about the prospect of another cool new rocket?

[Anonymous No.12088064]

>>12088058
I'm sry sir, this is Space-X Flight General

[Anonymous No.12088074]

>>12088017
Why would China want reusable rockets? How would they rain boosters down on their villages then?

[Anonymous No.12088077]

>>12088051
A sole infographic, and an old one too because it uses a very early concept of the New Glenn.

[Anonymous No.12088081]

>>12088077
>facing down during launch

[Anonymous No.12088085]

>>12088077
lmao, imaging hanging by the seatbelt straps during launch

[Anonymous No.12088087]

>>12087511
>Lockheed Martin needs zipties for holding shit together in Orion
>They could go to he depot an buy a bunch, or buy them online for cheap
>LMAO NO, Let's fucking contract out zipties manufacturing to add more bureaucratic complexity to our project
LITERALLY HAVING THE GOVERNMENT BUY A HAMMER

[Anonymous No.12088090]

>>12088081
>>12088085
>chairs can't be moved after launch

[Anonymous No.12088095]

>>12088090
It doesn't say that it can do that.

[Anonymous No.12088097]

>>12088077
>Have to strap yourself to the cieling for launch.

[Anonymous No.12088100]

>>12088090
Why would you need to? just put them in the right configuration to begin with and use the space for something more useful. It's a fucking capsule not a luxury liner.

[Anonymous No.12088101]

>>12088095
this infographic has barely any official info and almost none of it is relevant today

[Anonymous No.12088102]

>>12088077
Why the fuck would they overcomplicate the Casper let design like this??? Why put the heat shield on the fucking nose, instead of the aft section of the capsul
who thought putting the seats like that was a good idea holy fuck lmao, imagine the abort motor going off, and you pulling 10-15g of force, you'd break your fucking neck from that

[Anonymous No.12088104]

>>12088077
>BO passengers waiting for launch

[Anonymous No.12088112]

>>12088100
Dude, capsule is not the preferred nomenclature. Blue Pee Pod, please.

[Anonymous No.12088114]

>>12088077
>it's fucking crooked

[Anonymous No.12088118]

>>12088114
Been wanking off a lil too much, huh bozo?

[Anonymous No.12088126]

>>12088114
absolute state of blue origin

[Anonymous No.12088129]

>>12088077
Minus the crooked stick, it kinda looks like Dragon 2 lmao

[Anonymous No.12088131]

I miss Starhopper

[Anonymous No.12088132]

>>12088017
Starship will be the most complex machine ever fly, I doubt Chink could copy it.

[Anonymous No.12088139]

>>12088132
Even after Starship succeeds (it will), you think other aerospace companies will still be too big of pussies to try the same dev method?

[Anonymous No.12088141]

>>12088131
Didn't they do that to placate MZ so he doesn't pull out?

[Anonymous No.12088143]

>>12088114
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!

[Anonymous No.12088144]

>>12087958
With Starship's payload capacity it will be trivial to provide tens of tons of polymer to Martian printers, the other larger portion of building material will come from Mars itself in the form of powdered basalt.
In preliminary NASA sponsored contests a team already demonstrated the extraordinary strength of basalt-polymer as a construction material. Their printer still isn't optimized yet and it's software needs a bit of work in terms of managing heat at the print head, but all of the fundamentals are already there.

Power management is going to be the real issue with any major construction project. Large machines need lots of power, soil movers, drills, large 3D PROOONTers, mixers, whatever will be needed will demand probably tens of kilowatts of electrical power total.

[Anonymous No.12088147]

>>12088143
BEZOS NO THINK OF THE PASSENGERS

[Anonymous No.12088148]

>>12088132
It’s actually a relatively simple design, which is kinda the point

[Anonymous No.12088156]

>>12088104

[Anonymous No.12088160]

>>12088144
You could probably deploy the solar panel fins of landed Starships and hook them up to something else with, I dunno, an extension cord

[Anonymous No.12088166]

>>12088132
Is it really? I was under the perception that it would be more streamlined to be economic and the polar opposite of overly complex. Like the Nissan GTR among Ferraris. And that the Chinese were pretty good at setting up conveyor belts. Complexity means turnaround time and this is what doomed the Shuttleprogram from that standpoint.

[Anonymous No.12088169]

>>12088147

[Anonymous No.12088172]

>>12088156
they need head braces to avoid the neck snapping Gs

[Anonymous No.12088174]

>>12088160
They can harness the power of the raging erections of the first men to walk on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12088175]

>>12088139
That's more like it. Spacex will just gap dab on the industry and attempts to jump on this so much faster train will be deemed too dodgy to try.

[Anonymous No.12088180]

Could you increase Earth’s apoapsis/periapsis above the sun by building a big rocket engine facing towards the sky and burning when facing away from Earth’s prograde direction?

[Anonymous No.12088182]

>>12088074
The chinks can propulsively land super heavy long dong 10 core stages in Chinese villages, then vent the remaining hydrazine and N2O4 into the surrounding area

[Anonymous No.12088183]

>>12088166
The braptor is pretty fucking advanced shit, the rocket itself is not particularly super advanced.
The software running it will also be really advanced shit.

[Anonymous No.12088185]

>>12088175
That picture is retarded, that's the breathing hole. No fucking wonder space development takes so long, people are fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.12088187]

>>12087204
Well aleast his head is already aerodynamic

[Anonymous No.12088188]

>>12088180
Yes, actually

[Anonymous No.12088191]

>>12088166
It's simple where it needs to be, like the autogenous pressurization system and the choice of bipropellants for example. Having the vehicle self-pressurize lets you cut out extra tanks of helium, using bipropellants that won't freeze each-other at cryogenic temperatures lets you do away with most insulation and allows you to use common bulkheads. The engines are complex but designed intelligently to be easy to assemble and disassemble, that improves both construction time and turnaround time for maintenance or repair.
The TPS looks like it's going to be incredibly simple compared to previous reentry vehicles, and that was one of the primary bottlenecks for the Shuttle since it took upwards of like two days just to get one single tile out of several thousand installed.

[Anonymous No.12088192]

>>12088182
Yo that might actually work

[Anonymous No.12088196]

>>12088143
>>

[Anonymous No.12088198]

>>12088183
Well software is easy to steal, if propulsion systems are made easy enough to mass produce by "unskilled" labour, as Elon said... they will be easy enough to copy as well. At least compared to like an F1 engine that we supposedly can't produce anymore because the knowledge how to tig it together got lost with the workforce dying out.

That's my take on it.

[Anonymous No.12088205]

>>12088191
That was basically my thought, just less detailed.^^

[Anonymous No.12088210]

>>12088198
Having taken more than a glance at the literal maze of plumbing that is the full flow stage of the raptor, no. It's not as simple as just "stealing it".
You can use fairly unskilled labor to use a wrench and put shit together, you can't use the same labor to replicate the parts.

That's what's in the statement about mass production, because any half trained monkey can use a wrench. I've trained several of them fresh out of the unemployment office myself.

[Anonymous No.12088213]

>>12088143
>>12088114
>>12088196
Offset intensifies!

[Anonymous No.12088214]

>>12088182
cant the chinkies use solid boosters that are designed to slowly decrease thrust until they eventually softly land on legs? or make a big ass solid rocket that practically eats itself all the way up the stack? who needs reuse when your tank is the fuel

[Anonymous No.12088215]

>>12088196
I think I pressed the wrong button!

[Anonymous No.12088216]

>>12088213
>[Pioneers over C intensifies]

[Anonymous No.12088218]

>Potentially no rocket launches until the 10th
What the FUCK

[Anonymous No.12088221]

>>12088215
MOOOOOOM

[Anonymous No.12088223]

>>12087567
no they'll be called the reds

[Anonymous No.12088226]

>>12088218
>TFW we have to wait nearly two weeks for a rocket launch instead of the usual 4 days
Fuck ULA, what is it, 2005? Lmao

[Anonymous No.12088232]

>>12088226
Scrubs > belly rubs. That's how ULA is so reliable, anon. Do you see?

[Anonymous No.12088236]

>>12088210
>you can't use the same labor to replicate the parts.
I didn't say that. The guys in China, or any place that tries that, won't be unskilled labour.
What I said is, that design streamlined for production is easier to copy on an industry scale than one offs where you have to depend on labour that in some cases even took part in the development to do their magic to make it happen. And the more hands off it gets, the more it's just replicating tooling and setting up your own production line, which China excels in.
they can easily shove out Golfs, but on 1971 Lotus F1 cars

[Anonymous No.12088238]

>>12088215

[Anonymous No.12088243]

>>12088236
And you think they can just replicate a production line from what? Pictures?
lol. This shit is so tightly locked up thank to ITAR that everyone is probably under homeland security scrutiny from the designers to the fucking janitor.

[Anonymous No.12088250]

China can barely replicate a DC-9 after Boeing left behind the tooling for it.

[Anonymous No.12088252]

>>12088215
t-try ctrl-Z a few times, it's the only way now!

[Anonymous No.12088258]

>>12088243
we have folks reverse engineering the raptor from pix since 2016

[Anonymous No.12088259]

What do I study if I want to be a rocket man? Astrophysics? Engineering?

[Anonymous No.12088262]

>>12088258
lol

[Anonymous No.12088265]

>>12088259
If you have to ask you'll never be good enough.

[Anonymous No.12088277]

>>12088243
Keep in mind that I didn't wanna discuss that and my statement was, that SpaceX doesn't try to build the most complex rockets, but rather the most economical ones, which is revolutionary in the industry, based on the other guys statement that China "couldn't steal it"
But hey, let's derail...
What you suggested, that would be oldspace during cold war, from what I can tell, the Gvt even is conflicted about if they want to help SpaceX or crush them, so I doubt that they are under any state sponsored security. I dunno about PMC tho, but the streamers on youtube don't seem to get harassed too often and the only sec I see to close the roads are local law enforcement. So I doubt that security is off the charts tight.

[Anonymous No.12088281]

>>12088259
>frogposter

Austronomy.

[Anonymous No.12088287]

>>12088259
It depends on what part of the rocket you're most interested in, assuming you actually want to be specialized in something. There's propulsion, lots of mechanical engineering, thermodynamics, fluid/gas dynamics involved, you've got plumbing and tankage, structural engineering, aerodynamic surfaces are increasingly common, thermal protection systems require ME and probably some high level chemistry at this point to figure out new ceramics, you've got guidance and avionics which will be a lot of programming.
There's a shitload of different STEM fields involved in rocketry, pick the one you love the most and focus on that, or spread yourself out to enough of the different rocket components to know what you're doing and then surround yourself with autists who can handle the specifics.

First, what kind of rocket man do you want to be? One of many rocket men actually making the rocket, or the rocket man thingken about roket and telling them what to do?
Second, what sub-category under "rocketry" interests you the most which you wouldn't mind immersing yourself totally in?
Once you know those then you should have a better idea of what specific qualifications you should be seeking out.

[Anonymous No.12088293]

>>12088277
Taking pictures of an engine or a rocket out on the pad won't get you fucking anywhere. So what the fuck are you on about?
It's one thing to film outside their test pad, that's not exactly the same as heading into Hawthorne and having a look at the fucking production line or the blueprints. Because that shit, nobody gets to see without proper permissions.

[Anonymous No.12088294]

>>12088250
And they still have to buy the engines from the west too.

[Anonymous No.12088295]

>>12088294
Well, the turbopumps at least. They still haven't figured that shit out.

[Anonymous No.12088309]

>>12088295
What's the Chinese moon rocket called

[Anonymous No.12088310]

>>12088259
orbital mechanics is the only answer

[Anonymous No.12088314]

>United "Launch" Alliance
>Doesn't launch anything

[Anonymous No.12088317]

>chinese innovation

[Anonymous No.12088326]

>>12088309
Rong March 9
Supersized kerelox skyscrapers will fall on Chinese villages

[Anonymous No.12088327]

>>12088317
hey man, they do good at rockets tho

[Anonymous No.12088331]

>>12087570
thanks

[Anonymous No.12088334]

>>12088309
Not sure which they're going to use. I don't really follow Chink escapades. Long March 9 is their planned super heavy lunar/mars rocket. Long March 7 is the only thing they have active that can put *some* payload to the moon.

[Anonymous No.12088340]

>>12088326
At least the first stage isn’t hydrogen

[Anonymous No.12088343]

>>12088327
They bought their tech from Russia, so at least it works.

[Anonymous No.12088350]

What's the most realistic non rocket way to get to space? Elevator plebs need not reply.

[Anonymous No.12088352]

>>12088343
isn't russia talking about a heavy lift launcher too? lmao

[Anonymous No.12088355]

>>12088326
why's it so complicated

[Anonymous No.12088356]

>>12088352
I think they're satisfied just selling or leasing engine tech to be honest. They are worse than fucking ESA at this stage. They're still resting on the spoils of the Energia booster engines.

[Anonymous No.12088360]

>>12088350
Space emulators

[Anonymous No.12088362]

>>12088326
>>12088355
Looking at that tank diagram, that shit is going to N-1 itself out of existence.

[Anonymous No.12088364]

>>12088350
Powerful cannon

[Anonymous No.12088367]

>>12088350
Elevator, you dumb fucking faggot. Skyhooks still require a rocket plane, launch loop still requires a rocket plane, spaceguns still require the projectile to use a rocket to circularize it's orbit once it's reached the desired altitude.

[Anonymous No.12088368]

>>12088293
No what the fuck are YOU on about, fuck off bitching at me for entertaining your bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12088372]

>>12088364
can i do manned launch this way?

[Anonymous No.12088373]

>>12088368
k, let us know when your FFSC engine is up and running.

[Anonymous No.12088374]

>>12088326
We will destroy as many villages as we have to to get to the moon.

[Anonymous No.12088376]

>>12088372
personed, anon

[Anonymous No.12088380]

>>12088350
>On Earth
Just kill yourself, rockets are uironically the best way to get off Earth
>On the moon
Mass driver/space elevator/skyhooks all work, launch loops are fucking dumb because they require working fusion power plants, so they're just as useless as a space elevator on Earth, everywhere

[Anonymous No.12088383]

Random thought: Assuming the N1 was made to work and LK became viable, what might a joint US/USSR moon mission looked like, following the success of the Soyuz/Apollo orbital meetup?
Was that ever a proposal/concept? Just curious what the alternate history could've been.

[Anonymous No.12088384]

>>12088374

[Anonymous No.12088385]

>>12088367
How the fuck are you going to maintain a space elevator?

[Anonymous No.12088387]

>>12088374
I mean at some point they will have cleared swathes of no-man's-land to safely crash into, right?

[Anonymous No.12088390]

>>12088372
no, cant survive g force

>>12086016
https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/2020/09/04/cameron-county-beaches-reopen-tuesday/

They want spacex to test at night and open the road at day. I wonder if that would delay spacex a bit due to lack of visual telemetry data.

[Anonymous No.12088391]

>>12088376
Really?

[Anonymous No.12088394]

>>12088384
they're touching!

[Anonymous No.12088399]

>>12088385
nano toobs, mitch cockatoo told me so

[Anonymous No.12088404]

>>12088374
>boosters on upper stage

[Anonymous No.12088412]

>>12088387
They can start launching at a different azimuth then.

[Anonymous No.12088417]

>>12088404
They're not boosters they're tofu compartments.

[Anonymous No.12088423]

>>12088404
They separate fully-fueled and seek out their own villages to strike.

[Anonymous No.12088435]

>>12088423
The main delivery vehicle then returns to the launch pad to be fitted with more boosters.

[Anonymous No.12088442]

Say what you will about our Chinkly friends, but I know one thing. Space is hard.

[Anonymous No.12088443]

>>12088435
>"But Mr. Chang, how does this help us into space?"
>'Space?'

[Anonymous No.12088448]

>>12088435
that's when it completes 1 orbit, the fireball orbits at just 200m off the ground to booster up again

[Anonymous No.12088450]

>>12088412
to level more space, I like your way of thinking!

[Anonymous No.12088453]

>>12088404
>blocks your path

[Anonymous No.12088457]

>>12088448
>Mid air reboostering
I'd like to see Elon pull that off.

[Anonymous No.12088459]

>>12088450
& collect more souls

[Anonymous No.12088462]

>>12088457
He doesn't have the GUTS

[Anonymous No.12088466]

>>12088453
parts your block.
^^

[Anonymous No.12088475]

>>12088457
>>12088462
Initially I thought, well that's dumb, but then I recalled how I had the same feeling about reusable rocket parts, 5 years ago "Just make them cheaper and don't reuse them"...
Now he's doing both.

[Anonymous No.12088476]

It's happening bros

[Anonymous No.12088478]

>>12088476
>Russian SLS

[Anonymous No.12088483]

>>12088476
For what purpose though?

[Anonymous No.12088485]

>>12088385
It could hypothetically be pulled off using para-aramids with very high tensile strengths, the idea that only metamaterial tether cable could work was based on the mistaken idea that all of the cable will be under 1G of gravity, which obviously it wont if it's going all the way up into orbit. Obviously, you'd need something like four or five tethers of kevlar or vectran to be able to hold the same weight as one of say CNT cables but if you're capable of making the investment to build a space elevator it's a cost you'd be willing to absorb.
The counterweight mass will be another issue, it would probably need to be 4-5 megatons or fifty thousand fully loaded Starship's worth of say concrete cubes, it would probably be easier to build a moon base that could produce slugs of mooncrete with deceleration rockets attached to them and use a mass driver to sling them into the correct orbit to construct a counterweight.

None of these processes are physically impossible though, just large and ambitious on a scale current space powers are incapable of handling. You want a method of getting things from the ground to space without using a propulsion system? That's what you've got, until you invent Star Trek transporters or some other implausible shit ten times less likely to work than what is essentially a very long suspension bridge.

[Anonymous No.12088492]

>>12088476
Does it land?

[Anonymous No.12088494]

>>12088485
What if they just build a really tall launch platform on top of a mountain?

[Anonymous No.12088497]

>>12088492
Theyre building a diff rocket for that

[Anonymous No.12088507]

>>12088494
The benefit you get at altitude is so minimal as to not be worth the trouble of trucking all the supplies up there. The rocket spends practically none of it's flight time in the thickest portion of the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.12088513]

>>12088497
Any info on it?

[Anonymous No.12088516]

>>12088513
I think that anon meant this one.

[Anonymous No.12088520]

>>12088516
I wish they would make energia again.

[Anonymous No.12088530]

>>12088259
Aerospace engineering, with a focus in astronautics (as opposed to aero) if your school offers it.

[Anonymous No.12088564]

>>12088516
The wing fold mechanism hurts my brain. That's fucking inefficient.

[Anonymous No.12088577]

>>12088317
>Michelin
>US

[Anonymous No.12088580]

>>12088507
>The benefit you get at altitude is so minimal as to not be worth the trouble of trucking all the supplies up there.

Yeah okay try Eve

[Anonymous No.12088588]

>>12088564
How else would you do folding wings? Like how the DLR does it with their Flüssiger Rücklaufverstärker (LFBB)?

[Anonymous No.12088590]

>>12088564
Idk if it’s necessarily inefficient, but it would we way better if it used a delta wing that didn’t need to fold. It wouldn’t even need vertical stabilizers if they were offset at a slight angle

[Anonymous No.12088611]

>>12087776

I'm not hung up on the 100 people number. I see that as preliminary and a goal like the RapVac ISP goal versus its present capacity. Starship is still good with lesser numbers.

Life support tech itself I consider a non issue. It just has to be worked on and done. Shorter term lengths can be predicated on SpaceX's current ECLSS know how, and space station modules have demonstrated longer mission lengths and SpaceX can whip up their own method.

Without orbital refueling Starship still takes over as their main rocket and does all those Starlink and other missions.

When ITS was presented Elon could predicate it on a possibility that there might be NASA and Air Force buy in to financially support a larger project. That didn't happen, and the current design is something they could tackle on their own.

[Anonymous No.12088635]

>>12087124
doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.12088638]

>>12087776
>The heat shield will likely be dumped
This isn't the space shuttle lmao, the body isn't made out of Aluminum, it isnt an exotic shape, it doesn't use fragile silica tiles or carbon carbon wings, and it doesn't have an orange fuel tank spitting cannonballs of foam at super sonic speeds into it
It's most likely going to work, and doesn't need to be built to as high of a tolerance as the shuttle due to its use of steel, and simpler design, so most of the tiles will be interchangable, and easy to replace

[Anonymous No.12088668]

>>12087776
>s) the heat shield will likely be dumped (it already has been for Artemis hasn't it?)
The moon lander doesn't need a heat shield you absolute retard.
Holly shit how can you be so dumb?
The only correct part of your post is that orbital refueling could be a challenge but it is not "speculative technology" like aerospikes and flt.

[Anonymous No.12088676]

>>12088390
>>12088372
yes, but your cannon needs to be the size of a continent

[Anonymous No.12088693]

Attention: China launched a secret reusable rocket into space.

>A report from Chinese state media's Xinhua said the launch was successful and that a Long March 2F rocket sent the spacecraft into orbit from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in the Gobi Desert, but it provided no information about exact launch time or what technologies the spacecraft will test.

>"After a period of in-orbit operation, the spacecraft will return to the scheduled landing site in China. It will test reusable technologies during its flight, providing technological support for the peaceful use of space," Xinhua said in the report.

The Chinese have done what the US government backed company ULA is uncapable of.

https://www.space.com/china-launches-experimental-reusable-spacecraft.html
https://futurism.com/the-byte/china-launched-mysterious-reusable-test-spacecraft
https://spacenews.com/china-carries-out-secretive-launch-of-reusable-experimental-spacecraft/

[Anonymous No.12088695]

If you have the massive rocket infrastructure required to build a space elevator, why do you need a space elevator?

[Anonymous No.12088697]

>>12088693
they launched an X-37B, anon
both ULA and SpaceX have launched one of those for the DoD before

[Anonymous No.12088705]

>>12088693
>China makes fully reusable SSTO
>It drops random toxic garbage on rural Chinese villiages just because it's considered tradition and good luck now

[Anonymous No.12088710]

>>12088697

ULA carried a payload, which happened to be a reusable spacecraft, they didn't develop it.

[Anonymous No.12088713]

>>12088697
This anon is right.
>>12088710
BOING makes the X-37B.

[Anonymous No.12088716]

>>12088710
yeah, no shit, they didn't get payed to develop it
Boeing did
China replicated a capability (completely useless for both of them) that the DoD has had for a while now, it doesn't really matter who made it for them

[Anonymous No.12088717]

>>12088705
It wasn't a SSTO, it was a X-37B on a normal rocket, the long march 420.

[Anonymous No.12088724]

>>12088695
To make it easier to put massive infrastructure everywhere else in the solar system.

[Anonymous No.12088745]

>>12088724
Think about it harder.

[Anonymous No.12088765]

>>12088724
wrong, your massive rocket infrastructure already does that
the ONLY thing that space elevators do is suck up resources and let you convert energy directly into payload upmass, instead of using rockets
if you're building megastructures you don't want to use rockets for everything

[Anonymous No.12088781]

>>12088588
Have both wings pivot around the same bolt, establishing a single, centered stress area that everything can go into, that is upwards and downwards supported.
In this configuration you are just putting so much unnecessary structural strength into something that could easily designed to be way easier on the airframe. Or have no wings at all, like sorry but like the F9.

You can see this is an idea because that would never make it past the concept stage.

>>12088590
Yea kinda... but that would probably discard the whole idea.

[Anonymous No.12088782]

Would sending people to the Moon/Mars be an investment and bring money into the economy? Other than the “hurr durr for every dollar we put in to aerospace we get a return in the economy”. I don’t see how starting a colony that can’t be self sufficient for a while would help generate money. What could they do? Science? Make methane and oxygen all day?

[Anonymous No.12088801]

>>12088782
Make Loonies grow wheat for use on Earth until they all eat each other up there. What could go wrong, not like they'd revolt or anything.

[Anonymous No.12088814]

>>12088782
>Muh profits

Irrelevant to Musk.

[Anonymous No.12088815]

>>12088782
More money than flying a spinning tin can in the middle of vacuum would bring. Just going prospecting to see what's under the ground would be a start. There are no resources in vacuum.

[Anonymous No.12088828]

>>12088782
>Would sending people to the Moon/Mars be an investment and bring money into the economy?
Perhaps nothing, but it is a private endeavor.
On the long term, places on mars will probably develop into their own nations. Those will probably have freer markets and be much more open to innovation, simply because they have to. Martians won't be able to afford paying high taxes because "muh jobs".

[Anonymous No.12088845]

>>12088814
I’m not necessarily asking because I want Musk to get richer. I was on the toilet and started thinking about what it would take for the US government to cash in on colonization. My thought process went like this:
Assuming musk launches supplies to Mars, the Artemis program went very well, people eventually started living full-time on the moon and mars, and countries like china and russia started to catch up with moon bases too, would the US have an incentive to launch space force bases and/or continually send supplies and people to the colonies? Would it just be a money dump to scare away other foes....... or could money be generated and help the US economy back on Earth?

(Basically i’m asking if it would be a waste of resources for NASA and the government to invest. I know musk doesn’t give af about money, he’s just autistic and doesn’t care how much it costs for him to send people to other worlds lmao)

[Anonymous No.12088861]

>>12088845
>I was on the toilet and started thinking about what it would take for the US government to cash in on colonization
If you can use them as bases for mining, then that could pig back on the economy.
If you can't, you could create free market zones with very low taxes to foment innovation.

[Anonymous No.12088865]

[Anonymous No.12088885]

MIGRATE
>>12088884
>>12088884
>>12088884
>>12088884

[Anonymous No.12088904]

>>12088845
Earth will be a polluted fucked up wasteland populated entirely by niggers, spics, and maybe a surviving pocket of civilization in the Chinese empire within a century or two

[Anonymous No.12088913]

>>12088904
this

musk is from South Africa and he knows whats up, Earth population is destined for dysgenic degeneration while the best of us will inherit the stars

[Anonymous No.12088951]

>>12088801
And if they do start to get ideas about revolutions, set up a Warden and peacekeepers to placate/rape them. What could go wrong?