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SHUT

IT

DOWN

>> No.10822829

>>10822820
>other shitty 5G thread pruned and deleted
>immediately posts a new one

mods pls

>> No.10822831

>>10822829
>oy vey the goy exposed our stealth goy killer weapon
>SHUT IT DOWN PLEASE

>> No.10822836

>>10822820
This is what some don't understand, Non-ionizing radiation doesn't cause anything, on the SHORT TERM

in long term it fucks cells up

>> No.10822839

>>10822836
better engulf all the goy countries in it 24/7 first then

>> No.10822843

>"The levels and duration of exposure to RFR were much greater than what people experience with even the highest level of cell phone use, and exposed the rodents' whole bodies. So, these findings should not be directly extrapolated to human cell phone usage," said John Bucher, Ph.D., NTP senior scientist.

dose is inapplicable to normal exposure levels and everyone in this thread is retarded

>> No.10822846

>>10822843
https://ehtrust.org/science/myth-vs-fact-national-toxicology-program-cell-phone-cancer-study/

Fact: The NTP study was designed to mimic long term human exposure to cell phone radiation and to test the adequacy of safety limits.

The NTP study had three radio frequency radiation exposure levels which were 1.5 W/kg, 3 W/kg, and 6.0 W/kg. These radiation exposures are the same and only slightly higher than a person gets while using a cell phone to the head. For comparison the US FCC exposure limit for cell phones is 1.6 W/kg (about the same as the first exposure group) and the FCC limit for extremities such as the arms, legs and ears- the limit is 4.0 W/kg (more than the second exposure group). The 6.0 W/kg was a level that is not even twice what we allow to our arms and legs. This study was designed to test if government safety limits (which only protect us from thermal radiation levels) are protective of human health and the NTP findings indicate these limits are not protective. The exposures of the brain in the NTP study were not very different from human exposures associated with use of cell phones. It is standard practice for rodent studies to have experimental groups with higher exposure levels than average human exposure in carcinogenicity studies. Many teens sleep with their cell phones and people most commonly hold phones against their ears and body, while cell phone manufacturers and carriers have resisted efforts to warn people not to do so.

>> No.10822858

>>10822846
>The exposures of the brain in the NTP study were not very different from human exposures associated with use of cell phones

Mice also generate tumors at significantly higher rates than humans do, and in some cases exhibit greater sensitivity to mutagens than we do.

If this is a real signal, where is the epidemiological data? I get that ethically we can't run toxicology trials on humans, but why do we see no greater concentration of cancer in EMF hotspots when normalized to things like air pollution and demographics?

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>>10822858
uhhh

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>>10822858

>> No.10822869

>>10822862
First, I'd want to actually see the source material. Second, I emphasize the importance of 'normalized to things like air pollution and demographics' because obviously more urbanized areas have more cancer.

>> No.10822880
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>>10822869
I believe it's this paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/270005635_A_Melanoma_Trend_Forecast_from_2002_-_what_happened_then

Air pollution lmfao

>> No.10822883

>>10822862
>R^2 = 0.417
Literally fucking worthless, imagine posting that with a straight face

>> No.10822892

>>10822880
Normalizing to these things is just due diligence for this kind of study. People in cities live longer (thus increasing per capita risk for things like colon and prostate cancer that are heavily age dependent), have access to better diagnostic infrastructure, and are exposed to more potential mutagens like car exhaust and smog. For melanoma you should also look at lifestyle as well - how much time do they spend outdoors? Obvious racial components as well due to skin pigmentation (although that may be less important in Swedish communes lol)

I'm pretty sure you would find the same sort of association if you regressed melanoma risk against population density. This doesn't mean that looking for the effect of EMF on melanoma risk is impossible, you just have to adjust for confounding variables.

>> No.10822893

>>10822820
Why are you pretending anyone cares? 5G will still roll out and the majority of the population will never even begin to notice your perpetual freakout over it.
You're free to move to a far from civilization patch of wilderness and live in a log cabin.

>> No.10822895

>>10822883
I don't agree at all with the woo about 5G causing cancer, but for epidemiological studies, R^2 = 0.417 is actually extremely strong correlation for just one variable in your model. Humans make noisy-ass data.

>> No.10822900

>>10822892
look up Andrew Marino and read his books on this topic

>> No.10822905

>>10822893
He could also wear a tinfoil suit with a tin foil hat.

>> No.10822906
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>>10822893
this strikes fear into your heart

>> No.10822908

>>10822831
>>10822839
Why do Nazis hate technology?
You do realize America is only on top in the 21 century because of California right? The same libs y

>> No.10822909

>>10822900
while I get that this may be an obsession for you, asking someone to literally read a book to respond to your 4chan thread is not reasonable

if you can give me some snippets of information to pique my interest, I might be more willing to spend my free time on it

>> No.10822914

>>10822908
why wouldn't conspiracy theorists gravitate towards blaming everything on a highly insular religious group that's very small but has weird and ancient mythology wrapped up with it?

as a jew I think it's ridiculous that we get blamed for everything but people like alex jones didn't give a shit when trump went to go touch a glowing orb with the Saudi king in a weird ritual. how the hell does that not rile up the theorists?

>> No.10822916

>>10822909
it is entirely reasonable. this is a huge topic and will be the basis for the medicine of the future, rooted in quantum biophysics. if you want a head start you'll look into acquiring Marino's books.

here's the book's page on his website: https://andrewamarino.com/goingsomewherebook/message.html

>> No.10822922

>>10822908
>>10822914
when is 5G for Israel first and open borders for Israel happening

>> No.10822924

>>10822916
>quantum biophysics

I've published biophysics papers and this is entirely not a term that anyone uses

>> No.10822925

>>10822900Reminder that this spammer is an avid reddit/discord user. See the link below where he posted a picture of his own desktop. Look at the bookmarks and programs in the taskbar.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/216583385/#216593256

>> No.10822927

>>10822924
my dad is CEO of nintendo too

>> No.10822928

>>10822922
probably never - I'm not a big fan of netanyahu or most israeli politics anyway

jews (especially american ones) aren't a monolith and there is plenty of criticism of israel by jews

>> No.10822933

>>10822928
whaaaat you dont want open 5G borders for israel right now? fucking anti-Europeanite

>> No.10822935

>>10822933
what is a '5G border'?

>> No.10822938

>>10822935
a border that keeps all the 5G in israel

>> No.10822939

>>10822938
so a giant faraday cage?

>> No.10822943

>>10822939
what happens when you put a microwave transmitter in a faraday cage

>> No.10822949

>>10822943
it blocks them? that's how the oven keeps it inside the cooking area.

the cross-hatched pattern on the front of the glass door is actually part of the cage

>> No.10822952

>>10822925
proof that that's the based OP

>> No.10823010

>>10822893
Thats the fucking point you asswipe. No one cares and its part of the plan. You are being mind controlled into not caring

>> No.10823020
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>The herd published experiments that mimicked all the errors I had seen so often since my education in how science really worked had begun.
>Krause analyzed an enormous amount of meaningless data and found nothing, a technique that Richard Phillips had pioneered.
>Fritzer compared the brain waves between two different groups of subjects and should have known that the natural variations were far greater than any potential impact of the EMFs, which was another trick used by Phillips.
>Inomato-Terada slammed the brains of his subjects with magnetic fields so intense that their muscles contracted, and then measured whether the contractions were affected by puny mobilephone EMFs, like Phillips who had squeezed big rats into little cages which effectively hid the smaller stress effect produced by EMFs.
>Roschke played the game that was most common among the investigators who favored Motorola’s point of view, which was to average the results from subjects whose measurements went up with the results from subjects whose measurements went down, and then report there were no changes, on average.
>I had thought no one was better at that game than Phillips, who used it to prove to the satisfaction of the power industry that male and female mice in the three generations were not affected by EMFs, even though the opposite was true.
>In the twenty-first century, however, the method of obfuscation by averaging was improved.
>Wagner averaged the data along three dimensions so a positive effect was triply unlikely. Kleinlogel did it twice, in two identical experiments. Hamblin also did it, and then professed surprise she found no effects.
>Nothing these investigators did was worth doing, but they did it well, at least from Motorola’s perspective.

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>>10823010
>5G poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague unto our houses!
>"It did?"
>No! But are we just gonna wait around until it does?

>> No.10823026

>>10823022
This post sponsored by Motorola™

>> No.10823028

>>10823026
everyone who disagrees with my conspiracy theory is a shill for the opposition

>> No.10823031

>>10823028
why wont 4chan stop gangstalking the poor innocent telecoms industry

>> No.10823032

>>10823031
why won't retards stop flooding /sci/ with non-scientific schizo bullshit?

>> No.10823035

>>10823032
the science is not in your favor hence the spergouts
dump scat

>> No.10823041

>>10823035
your entire theory is based on bullshit 1960s studies that fail to replicate in a modern controlled environment

the definition of pseudoscience is shit that looks like science (is written in a paper, uses instrumentation, maybe even has a PhD as an author) but doesn't replicate and doesn't teach us anything new

sure your cranks have 'responses' to the dozens of people that have tried to recapitulate their findings, but the bottom line is that if independent labs can't make your signal show up, then it isn't real and the planes aren't landing

>> No.10823046

>>10823041
Intoxicated with physics, the herd, and other experts who
sympathized with them, argued that all reliable responses were robotically
reproducible, a state of affairs that is antithetical to the behavior of every
living thing, from the tiniest virus to man himself, all of which desperately
fight to stay in being and, in doing so, exhibit behaviors that are never
precisely predictable and are often inconsistent with those of others of its
species. No solid, liquid, gas, or man-made object struggles for existence, so
each behaves today as it did yesterday and will tomorrow. Among EMF
studies, inconsistency is to be expected.
The law governing human reaction to EMFs is particular to each person
and not, in any important way, general like the laws of physics. Life does not
point beyond itself to pithy equations. There is no deep theory behind
biophenomena. The biophenomena are the theory, so an answer regarding
whether EMFs cause harm can’t emerge from the same process that
successfully explained the behavior of air, water, fire, and earth. Attempts to
do so are based on a kind of lawfulness, embodied by equations, that is alien
to life.

Tobacco does not reliably cause cancer.

>> No.10823055

why is /sci/ so shit lads

>> No.10823057

>>10823046
>argued that all reliable responses were robotically
reproducible, a state of affairs that is antithetical to the behavior of every
living thing, from the tiniest virus to man himself, all of which desperately
fight to stay in being and, in doing so, exhibit behaviors that are never
precisely predictable and are often inconsistent with those of others of its
species. No solid, liquid, gas, or man-made object struggles for existence, so
each behaves today as it did yesterday and will tomorrow. Among EMF
studies, inconsistency is to be expected.

very poetic but just because you argue life is noisy doesn't mean your irreproducible studies aren't bullshit.

maybe the signal is real and just hard to detect, but that's your problem to deal with. nobody is obligated to accept your bullshit just because it 'should have replicated'

>The law governing human reaction to EMFs is particular to each person
and not, in any important way, general like the laws of physics

This is kinda like arguing that a person who wins at the slots is just special compared to everyone else. You don't get to claim that your experiment was just magically 'correct' when everyone else can't get it to happen. That is the opposite of how modern science works.

>Tobacco does not reliably cause cancer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)#Crank_magnetism

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>>10823010
>No one cares and its part of the plan. You are being mind controlled into not caring
No, not caring is the default. You don't need to "mind control" anyone to get them not to care about possible health risks of a new telecom networking standard. Most people couldn't even tell you what a cellular network generation actually constitutes even if you put a gun to their head and demanded they describe it.
>>10822906
>this strikes fear into your heart
Yeah, exactly. You keep pretending you're somehow terrifying a bunch of shadowy 5G orchestrating psychopaths who inexplicably hang out on an anime website's "science" discussion board.
This is way weirder to me than the idea 5G will cause serious health problems. Causing serious health problems is a completely legitimate concern to be interested in. It's the conviction you're having some covert internet battle with people working to implement 5G that puts you into mental illness territory.

>> No.10823066

>>10823057
the NTP study got you all worked up though dont pretend

>>10823063
all this projection is pretty yikes dude, chill out have sex

>> No.10823068

>>10823066
>the NTP study got you all worked up though dont pretend

not really, since the investigators themselves claim that it's not applicable to humans

>> No.10823069

>>10823068
>SD rats
>not applicable to humans
h-hehe

>> No.10823070

>>10823046
Tobacco is non-ionizing.

>> No.10823071
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These outlets are fervently Pro-5G to the point of using propaganda to distort science:

>BuzzFeed
>Vox
>NYT
>Ars Technica
>Washington Post
>Yahoo!
>NBC
>CNN
>Fortune
>LAtimes
>LinkedIn

From: https://ehtrust.org/science/myth-vs-fact-national-toxicology-program-cell-phone-cancer-study/

All kike propaganda outlets.

If all these subversives are telling you that Microwave radiation is good for you, your parents and brothers and sisters and children to be subjected to, at all times, then maybe, just maybe... it's not?

Just a thought.

>> No.10823072

>>10823069
Rats that develop tumors if you look at them wrong.

>> No.10823077

>>10823071
the funny thing is that even if you think you're a soldier in the war against the evil shadowy 5G empire, you're immediately discrediting your views to normies by dragging the jews into it

I genuinely believe that conspiracy theorism should be divided into its own subtype of schizophrenia

>> No.10823079

>>10823072
>the reality wasn't radiation causing the difference between control and experimental groups, it was that the scientists looked at the control rats less
>everyone is really afraid to publish the study on scientists with carcinokinesis powers

>> No.10823080

>>10823077
stop projecting your crackpot headcanon and have sex bro chill

who hurt you?

>> No.10823082

>>10823077
>you're immediately discrediting your views to normies by dragging the jews into it
Hey, you understood the plan!

>> No.10823083

>>10823079
sprague-dawley rats are tumor-making machines. they do it at random and in response to environmental stressors

which is why they're the strain of choice for cranks who want to prove that intervention B made a 'statistically significant' increase in tumors (p = 0.0473)

>> No.10823084

>>10823066
>projection
I'm projecting a belief that I'm terrifying 5G promoting agents who inexplicably hang out on an anime website?
Pretty sure that's not something I believe. A lot more plausible is that's something the anons literally claiming they're "striking fear into [the] heart" of 5G pushers believe in.

>> No.10823086

>>10823079
Since you're so familiar with the study go ahead and tell me how many tumors the control rats got.

>> No.10823088

>>10823080
>"jews are controlling all the media and trying to use 5G to mind control us"

"anon that sounds pretty crazy and schizophrenic"

>"hurr bruh stop projecting, haev some sex bro"

>> No.10823090

>>10823083
Further proving the hypothesis that the researchers used their psychokinetic ability to cause cancer in the rats.

>> No.10823092

>>10823088
I don't think he understands what "projection" means.

>> No.10823093

>>10823088
>everyone who disagrees with 5G is the same goy

>> No.10823094

>>10823093
Everyone on /sci/ is actually one schizo who has disassociated completely.

>> No.10823096

>>10823090

carcinokinesis sounds like a cool power for a sci-fi retrofuturism novel

>> No.10823098

>>10823020
I note the shilling increased massively after this post.

>SHUT IT DOWN!

>> No.10823099

>>10823093
seeing as how these threads are spammed on a bi-weekly basis with the same exact set of brainlet reaction images and out-of-context plots, I made the hasty assumption that it's just the same wacko pushing this bullshit here time and time again

>> No.10823105

>>10823090
>psychokinetic
Why do you keep trying to make that retarded attempt at satirizing?
A hemophiliac child would be prone to bleeding and bruising more often than a child without that condition. This doesn't mean the hemophiliac child's parents are telekinetically causing their child to bleed and bruise.

>> No.10823106

>>10823020
In psychology, these are all considered valid methods.

>> No.10823111

>>10823105
we have basically a complete genetic understanding of why that kid bleeds more, often down to the specific polymorphism that caused it - where's the mechanism of action for 5G mutagenesis?

>> No.10823112

>>10823106
good thing psychology is not science

>> No.10823121

>>10823105
Wait, you genuinely don't understand what the implications were of saying "those rats always get cancer, so it doesn't matter if there was a significant trend with another variable"?

In your analogy, it would be like if you had two groups of hemophiliacs in identical conditions, made some invisible environmental change that wasn't expected to directly cause bruising and that group bruised a lot more than the one without the control. Then you write it off as due to hemophiliacs bruising "when you look at them" and therefore the environmental change must have done nothing.

>> No.10823123

>>10823055
Because the mods are far too slow at removing obvious spam threads

>> No.10823124

>>10823111
Knowing exactly why something happens is not a prerequisite for knowing that it does happen. The pathogenesis for many medical conditions is unknown or poorly understood.

>> No.10823127

>>10823121
>Wait, you genuinely don't understand what the implications were of saying "those rats always get cancer, so it doesn't matter if there was a significant trend with another variable"?

it means your experiment is off-model from humans that don't spontaneously generate tumors due to years of inbreeding

the compelling part about showing necropsies of mice full of tumors having received treatment B is that tumors aren't normally supposed to happen. If your strain just makes tumors all the time, is it just the luck of the draw or did it actually make a difference? did the coil whine off your EMF generator stress the rats out and make them grow more tumors? who knows

adding in copious amounts of controls is standard for animal work, and there is no excuse to use that kind of model for this sort of research

>> No.10823131

>>10823124
you're correct - I was just illustrating that the hemophilia analogy is a poor one

>> No.10823135

>>10823093
>I'm n-not that poster
Yeah okay, you're definitely not the same person that spams the exact same talking points time and time again who also has an active thread right now on /g/ where he copies and pastes his replies to and from. Definitely not that guy. Got it.

>> No.10823137

>>10823135
why are you monitoring 4chan for threads about 5G?

>> No.10823138

>>10823135
Given the reaction it gets here, I see no reason to think it's always the same person.

>> No.10823160

>>10823127
>it means your experiment is off-model from humans that don't spontaneously generate tumors due to years of inbreeding
That's great. It's still sufficient to demonstrate there still might be something going on and that there should be further research instead of declaring it safe and forcing it on the entire planet.

>is it just the luck of the draw or did it actually make a difference?
If only there was some sort of value scientists could use to display how likely an outcome was purely by random chance under the null hypothesis.

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>>10823137

>> No.10823181

>>10823137
A large group of people who post on /sci/ also post on /g/, the board on which your shit thread has been up for literal hours.
>>10823138
>I see no reason to think it's always the same person

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/search/text/5g/type/op/page/4/

https://boards.fireden.net/sci/search/image/S_vm45C4HBN9LtC_t5c8tA/

https://boards.fireden.net/sci/search/text/5g/type/op/

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/search/image/S_vm45C4HBN9LtC_t5c8tA/#

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/search/text/ionizing/type/op/

>> No.10823185

>>10823181
Gonna copy and paste the OP so I can join the new hivemind.

>> No.10823186

>>10823181
Why are you evading questions about why you are monitoring multiple boards on 4chan for 5G threads/posts? and why are you compiling massive amounts of archived posts on users you think are all one anti-5G poster?

This behavior is rather strange. Certainly not becoming of an organic 4chan user.

>> No.10823193

>>10823186
>he doesn't compile multiple enemies lists with all posts likely to be from them
Maybe you're not the real 4chan user, doesn't sound like you're autistic enough.

>> No.10823194

>>10823193
>compile enemy list
>all posts anonymous
>no identifiable info
impotent lel

>> No.10823197

>>10823194
You can recognize a poster by the smell of their words. That's why 4channers hate people with big noses.

>> No.10823198

>>10823160
>That's great. It's still sufficient to demonstrate there still might be something going on and that there should be further research instead of declaring it safe and forcing it on the entire planet.

no one is obligated to delay the progress of technology to spend decades probing what's most likely just a false positive

>If only there was some sort of value scientists could use to display how likely an outcome was purely by random chance under the null hypothesis.

hey dipshit, the null hypothesis assumes the only difference between the two populations is your treatment variable. if stressors caused by the experiment are making one group grow more tumors, your p-value tells you something about the stressors, not EMF

I swear, scientists should be obligated to prove they understand how statistical tests work before ever publishing a paper with p-values in it

>> No.10823202

>>10823197
OPs words smell of zyklon. oy

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>>10823198
>it's just a false positive bro, probably kerosene in the cars

>> No.10823205

>>10823198
>what's most likely just a false positive
I bet you call yourself a "skeptic".

>> No.10823207

>>10823204
your experiment is off-model from aliens that don't spontaneously generate symptoms due to years of inbreeding

>> No.10823208

>>10823204
oh cool another plot with no methodology or context to establish whether it's meaningful or not

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>>10823207
just a coincidental false positive, probably air pollution from nearby ants nest

>> No.10823211

>>10823209
those trees just die if you look at them this proves nothing

>> No.10823212

>>10823205
maybe use studies from scientists with the brains and foresight to not use a spontaneously tumorigenic animal model in their carcinogenesis experiment (like, for instance, one of the dozens of commercially-available rat and mouse strains that don't do that)

i would bet my entire phd stipend that none of you idiots have ever stepped into a lab

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10823213

>>10823207
>>10823208
haha just a little funny false positive on that one bro

>>10823208
http://it-takes-time.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Shinjyo-2014-Significant-Decrease-of-Clinical-Symptoms-after-Mobile-Phone-Base-Station-Removal-.pdf

>Our intention was to examine whether there were health impacts on residents from RF-EMFs emitted by the mobile phone base station erected on the roof of their condominium building. We conducted thorough research on whether there were any other factors to account for the improvements of the residents’ health other than the removal of the base station.
>The results of this case report indicate that health problems of the residents were associated with the operation of the mobile phone base station and that these problems improved after its removal. Although this report is not a double-blind study, it can be used as an example indicating the potential effects of RF-EMFs emitted from mobile phone base stations erected on the roofs of condominium buildings on human health. It is imperative that further detailed research is conducted regarding the impact of RF-EMFs on human health.

fucking wacko schizo crackpots and their woo science bro, false positives all over the place. probably believe in the ether too lmao, orgone

>> No.10823218

>>10823186
>Why are you evading questions
?
>why you are monitoring multiple boards on 4chan for 5G threads/posts?
Who said I was "monitoring" anything? I browse both /g/ and /sci/, much like you browse both reddit and 4chan.
>why are you compiling massive amounts of archived posts on users you think are all one anti-5G poster?
By "compiling massive amounts" you mean 5 simple links to archival sites right? Maybe if your spamming style wasn't so predictable and consistent I wouldn't be able to catalogue your entire post history using 5 simple searches.
>you think are all one anti-5G poster?
We've already established earlier that you browse both /v/ and /sci/&/g/
You post the same images you post on /g/&/sci/ to /v/ regularly, hence why half your threads use fallout/half life images in the OP post. This also ties in nicely with the fact that you're a massive redditor, as /v/ has a very high concentration of reddit users.

>> No.10823220

>>10823209
>trees never die and it was the smart meter that did it (n=1)

good post anon

>> No.10823225

>>10823213
>haha just a little funny false positive on that one bro

literally there is no way for me to interpret your evidence without knowing what the experiment was

>http://it-takes-time.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Shinjyo-2014-Significant-Decrease-of-Clinical-Symptoms-after-Mobile-Phone-Base-Station-Removal-.pdf

not peer-reviewed and only 'published' on a sketchy italian website about the dangers of EMF

>> No.10823226

>>10823218
you are spending hours poring over image compilations of what you think are my posts. you have probably a spreadsheet database of what you think are my posts and have categorized them as "confirmed/likely/possible". you scour the archive and have a ticker that alerts you whenever "5G" is posted on 4chan, any board. you have even enlisted help to attempt to clamp down on anti-5G sentiment in the last thread that mysteriously disappeared after you called in a favor with your jew pedo mod friend

watch your back kiddo

>> No.10823227

>>10823209
Seems like room for an experiment. It shouldn't be too hard to estimate how much that tree was absorbing and try it with other plants. If it's killing plants, it shouldn't even take a full 2 months to see an effect.

>> No.10823229

>>10823121
>Then you write it off as due to hemophiliacs bruising "when you look at them" and therefore the environmental change must have done nothing.
An environmental change doing something to a test subject which has a condition of easily provoked medical problems doesn't have to mean it matters at all for a normal healthy population.
Would you prove exposure to common and typically mild or even completely asymptomatic pathogens is seriously harmful or even fatal for the general population just because your test subjects were immunocompromised (e.g. AIDS patients)?
Pretty sure that's all the anon bringing up a strain of rats being notoriously prone to tumor generation is getting at here.
Lots of totally harmless things for 99.99% of the population could be extremely harmful for 0.01%. Doesn't mean there wasn't an environmental mechanism for it, just that the mechanism isn't necessarily anything relevant to the general population, especially when you're talking about an entirely different species on top of all this.

>> No.10823231

>>10822908
>America is on the top in the 21st C
lol. keep dreaming big guy.

>> No.10823233

>>10823225
tons of peer reviewed literature on Bioinitiative.org all saying the same thing

get stuck in

>> No.10823237

>>10822908
>The same libs y
y?

>> No.10823239

>>10823226
>you are spending hours poring over image compilations of what you think are my posts.
What makes you think I spent hours poring over image compilations?
>you have probably a spreadsheet database of what you think are my posts and have categorized them as "confirmed/likely/possible". you scour the archive and have a ticker that alerts you whenever "5G" is posted on 4chan, any board. you have even enlisted help to attempt to clamp down on anti-5G sentiment in the last thread that mysteriously disappeared after you called in a favor with your jew pedo mod friend
>watch your back kiddo
https://www.psycom.net/paranoid-schizophrenia

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10823240

>>10823233
>>10823213

this 'study' is actually laughably bad. they added together a dozen completely insignificant effects and summed it together, then used Fisher's exact test to show that their condominium data set (which is really just n=1 for this experiment) showed a 'statistically significant increase' in health problems

I'm really curious how the one person with glaucoma suddenly had it cured after they removed the tower. That's kind of a chronic illness, isn't it?

>> No.10823242

>>10823237
ignore the shizo jew, he skitzhos every thread his scitzo ass finds itself in

>> No.10823246

>>10823239
just chill dude have sex

>>10823240
tons of peer reviewed literature on Bioinitiative.org all saying the same thing

get stuck in

>> No.10823247

>>10823246
>tons of peer reviewed literature on Bioinitiative.org all saying the same thing

you mean they used this same bullshit p-hacking strategy that the cargo cult scientists did in your last paper?

curious who the 'peers' are in this review, Andrew Wakefield and the Bogdanov twins?

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10823250

>>10823247
probably not the WHO emf committee who are all ex-telecoms

>> No.10823251

>>10823229
The point isn't that it would prove it causes the same effect universally, it's that you can't say "there's no effect because they were already predisposed to that outcome" when there's a statistically significant difference between groups. That anon wasn't saying it might not effect other people, he genuinely thought the rats being predisposed to tumors meant the control group having fewer was just luck:
>If your strain just makes tumors all the time, is it just the luck of the draw or did it actually make a difference?

>> No.10823252

>>10823233
if[argument == 0]
{
print("refer to bioinitiative.org");
}

>> No.10823254

>>10823251
He's being massively disingenuous. The tumors the exposed rats acquired are attributable to microwave exposure. Similar heart/brain tumors pop up all the time in RADAR operators.

>> No.10823255

>>10823250
see I think there might be other variables at play here if your standard for a 'non-industry study' is shit that a high school student does for their AP statistics class

>> No.10823256

>>10823252
Sorry but you've posted no science thus far proving 5G is safe. The other side has provided ample evidence and high quality study after high quality study.

>> No.10823258

>>10823250
And who would know better than the people who make the products?

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10823259

>>10823255
see
>>10823020

Industry 'research' is low quality and this is intentional. Insurer behavior says it all.

>> No.10823260

>>10823256
>Sorry but you've posted no science thus far proving 5G is safe.

except for all of the papers that try to replicate these EMF animal experiments and fail to show harm

>>10823020

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10823263

>>10823258
lol

>> No.10823265

>>10823259
why would an insurance company cover made-up illnesses in their plan? likewise I don't think they cover Unbalance Of The Humors or 'having too much blood' under their policies

>> No.10823266

>>10823256
>thinking things pushed by massive industries need to be proven safe

>> No.10823268

>>10823260
>All these bunk studies that failed to show results
Wow!

>> No.10823271

>>10823268
Failing to show results is synonymous with showing something is safe. No effect of the treatment group on cancer risk/death/etc is the null hypothesis of a toxicology experiment. The best you can ever do is fail to reject the null hypothesis. Didn't they cover this when you took statistics as part of your science degree?

>> No.10823272

>>10823265
If it's just wacko made up hibbery jibbery why not just cover the transmitters without comparing the situation to asbestos in one of their advisory reports? (Lloyds of London)

>> No.10823275

>>10823271
There are tons of studies showing tobacco is safe. So let's give kids 5 packs a day to smoke now ok.

Especially the White kids.

>> No.10823276

>>10823272
And asbestos is safe and effective, so what's the problem?

>> No.10823279

>>10823276
Exactly, many industry studies show thalidomide to be a great way to reduce morning sickness. Let's give it to White rural Christian mothers, Moshe.

>> No.10823281

>>10823275
This is literally the only feasible way we could solve the problem of black kids being cooler.

>> No.10823282

>>10823275
>tobacco is safe
This but unironically. Liberal think tanks perpetuated the meme that tobacco is harmful

>> No.10823289

>>10823275
>There are tons of studies showing tobacco is safe. So let's give kids 5 packs a day to smoke now ok.

there are a handful of older studies showing it's safe, but literally thousands showing it's not

this goes back to what I said about replicability being the core of how science works. if we assume that effects are distributed normally (which in life sciences they often are), then a certain percentage of the time, a group will get the wrong result just due to bad luck. what matters more is what the literature says in the long term, and the question of tobacco being carcinogenic has pretty much been answered now

>> No.10823292

>>10823289
a long-term review of the literature can be found at Bioinitiative.org

>> No.10823294

>>10823282
Most, if not all, the oldest recorded people smoke/smoked, so you might be on to something.

>> No.10823295

>>10823292
I'm thinking you maybe have some affiliation with that website that you've spammed in this thread over and over

>> No.10823296

>>10823289
We've known these signals are dangerous since the Moscow signal incident. Likely before.

>> No.10823297

>>10823296
so why are most independent groups incapable of replicating these findings, when a handful of investigators who write books about the dangers of EMF seem to be able to pump out new papers on it at an annual basis?

>> No.10823298

>>10823296
>blaming it on the russians
Clearly this is all a hoax.

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10823300

>scientists are lying to us about the safeness of 5G
>they're being 100% truthful about the shape of the earth though
Imagine being a ballhead in 2019

>> No.10823304

>>10823297
this has been explained via the excepts from Marino's books ITT.

You know the actual cancer causing mechanism for tobacco is unknown, right? Same with asbestos. Same with microwave radiation. But it exists.

2 are banned or heavily restricted.1 is about to be heavily restricted.

Stop getting in the way of progress.

>> No.10823306

>>10823295
It's his go to response when he realises he's arguing with someone who actually knows what they're talking about, because he doesn't actually understand the things he parrots and therefore can't properly defend them.
See: literally any of his previous spam threads that have gotten responses

>> No.10823309

>>10823306
this is what they call a "cope" post on other boards
you are "coping"

>> No.10823311

>>10823304
>You know the actual cancer causing mechanism for tobacco is unknown, right?

pretty sure I've seen literature looking at the mechanism of action for how certain tobacco mutagens cause DNA damage

at the very least, long-term smoke inhalation is going to scar your lungs, and scar tissue is inherently more prone to becoming cancerous.

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10823312

>>10823300
There's only one theory that explains everything.

>> No.10823314

>>10823309
Barring maybe two people in this thread, I don't think here anyone agrees with you. 'Coping' is what you do when your side is losing. 5G is going to be implemented and the vast majority of people are not convinced nor care about the woo you're selling here.

>> No.10823315

>>10823311
sure but the mechanisms for all those mutations are entirely unknown- "no consistent evidence" is an excuse you could use to keep tobacco killing kids.

it's the excuse you use for microwaves killing kids.

>> No.10823317

>>10823309
Nope, a cope response is one in which is made when the poster cannot adequately counter an argument and tried to downplay/sidestep the other poster's point, exactly like you do when you run out of stock responses and instead just repeat the tired old "refer to bioinitiative.org" line.
Cope.

>> No.10823319

>>10823314
type 5G into fb or yt, people are waking up big time
the threshold was crossed probably a month ago and now it's too late to stop what comes next

>> No.10823321

>>10823315
It's not a real issue. The kids will grow up, enjoy 4K porn on 5G (your data cap runs out in 5 minutes, but that's all you really need), and provide income to whoever is making the best cancer treatments at the time.

>> No.10823322

>>10823315
>sure but the mechanisms for all those mutations are entirely unknown- "no consistent evidence" is an excuse you could use to keep tobacco killing kids.

It's abundantly clear that they're carcinogenic though, which is ultimately what matters.

There are literally hundreds of known carcinogens in a cigarette. You could use sanger and bisulfite sequencing to figure out specifically what's happening to DNA upon exposure to your given mutagen, but that's not really worth the money unless you have some reason to believe that specific compound is special or important.

>> No.10823325

>>10823319
Like I've told you before: the average person has literally no interest in 5G except the supposed speed increase they'll see from it. Normal people are not actively seeking out public discussion on 5G. The only people actually posting about it are people like you who have severe and misplaced grievances over it. Literal textbook negativity bias.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias

>> No.10823326

>>10823319
unless it becomes public policy, nothing will happen. anti-vaxxers failed to prevent hospitals from giving up vaccines, so the same with your bullshit.

fortunately you can protect yourself with faraday cage technology. to protect your most vulnerable organs (like your brain), simply take some conductive material (such as aluminum foil) and fashion a protective garment that you can wear whenever you're driving near a cell tower.

>> No.10823327

>>10823317
trying to appear snide with passive aggressive snipes while obviously licking your wounds is a big cope in any book

>>10823321
it's already getting shut down en masse in Australia and every week a new city puts a moratorium until 5G is proven safe (so never)

>>10823322
it's also abundantly clear that microwaves are hazardous to health at this juncture. the NTP study wasnt needed but it fully cements the reality that EMF emissions need to be massively reduced.

>>10823325
jew mental gymnastics

>>10823326
>attempting to conflate anti-vaxx with anti-5g
cope

>> No.10823329

>>10823263
I like viceroys.

>> No.10823332

>>10823327
>cope

ask your anti-5G friends about their opinions on vaccines and I think you'll find something surprising

it's called 'crank magnetism'

>> No.10823335

>>10823332
>crank magnetism
this is woo, but wasnt there a very recent vaccine study that showed kids that were vaccinated had massive increases in allergies and rates of ADD?

hmm makes you think possibly

>> No.10823338

>>10823272
because people literally have fake electricity based illnesses that shouldn't be covered, it's like being transgendered, if something can't be tested experimentally it's not worth debating.

>> No.10823339

>>10823327
>trying to appear snide with passive aggressive snipes
Such as? Do you deny constantly falling back on referring to bioinitiative.org when you run out of arguements?
>it's already getting shut down en masse in Australia
[Citation needed]
>every week a new city puts a moratorium
[Citation needed]
>jew mental gymnastics
Imagine being so retarded you can't understand a concept as simple as negativity bias.
>attempting to conflate anti-vaxx with anti-5g
You literally admitted to being anti-vax in a previous thread.

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>>10823332
huzzah, le man of science is here

>> No.10823342

>>10823335
>wasn't there a very recent study that shows kids that were vaccinated....
no.

>> No.10823344

>>10823332
>people who believe large corporations are putting profits over safety also believe large corporations are putting profits over safety
Seems likely.

>> No.10823347

>>10823340
>calling others redditors when there is literally photographic evidence that you have reddit in your bookmark bar
Bold move

>> No.10823348

>>10823335
>hmm makes you think possibly
It better make you think "safe and effective" and nothing else or we're gonna have a problem.

>> No.10823352

>>10823338
it can be tested experimentally though, see NTP study retard

>>10823339
the more Bioinitiative.org is posted, the more people will look at it

Look up Ray Broomhall

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/expert-claims-5g-roll-out-3108121
3 councils in UK have put moratoriums on 5G

>jew telling me about posts in a previous thread
schiz

>>10823342
saw it posted around various sites. it was definites real

>>10823347
ive never taken a photograph of my laptop or any computer ive ever used

>> No.10823362

>>10823352
>either hasn't read or doesn't comprehend the NTP study
it literally shows nothing of significance.

>> No.10823363

>>10823362
>clear evidence of cancer
>no significance

>> No.10823364

>>10823352
>It's getting shut down en masse in Australia
>can't provide examples
>every week a new city puts a moratorium
>a new city
>every week
>three councils in the UK
W E W
>jew telling me about posts in a previous thread
Why do you think your public posts suddenly become off limits once a thread gets archived?
>ive never taken a photograph of my laptop or any computer ive ever used
Okay pal, keep pretending you aren't the anon who posted >>10822925 despite the fact that you spam the same links and use the exact same talking points

>> No.10823370

>>10823363
clear means seethrough

>> No.10823371

>>10823364
Ray Broomhall forced Australian telcos to roll back thousands of small cell 5G sites across Sydney. not reported in fake news MSM of course. get the deets here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p3Ip5U0ZWM

>three councils in uk
>wew
you know those are councils for cities or areas bigger than cities, right? what a retard

>obsessively combing through archives
seriously seek help shlomo, it's not healthy to lose arguments this severely on the reg

>> No.10823377

>>10823363
>equating marginal results in one of the 9 groups of males to meaning cellphones cause cancer
>study doesn't show Kaplan-Meier survival curves like any normal medical paper would where survival is noted
honestly the study can just as easily be used to show that cellphone radiation actually increased the life span of rats.

>> No.10823381

>>10823377
>outright ignoring any evidence except clear
>"it was only le males anyway xd upvotes please"
>muh lifespan
cringe/cm2 off the charts

>> No.10823385

>>10823377
>cellphone radiation actually increased the life span of rats
That's not a totally unexpected result, and not necessarily a good sign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

>> No.10823389

>>10823381
that's a great rebuttal, you must be head of the debate team.

>> No.10823396

>>10823385
ionizing radiation

>> No.10823398

>>10823396
I wish I had your ability to read only keywords and ignore larger concepts. It must make life much easier.

>> No.10823401

how come anti-5G has all the science on their side? and pro-5G seems like a bunch of hired mental patients?

beats me

>> No.10823403

>>10823398
I get the concept, but it doesn't apply to non-ionizing radiation.

>> No.10823405

>>10823401
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

>> No.10823411

>>10823405
"hired mental patients" was too vague for you?

>> No.10823412

>>10823371
>not reported in fake news MSM of course. get the deets here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p3Ip5U0ZWM
>dude just trust me or watch this hour long video
No, provide timestamps and evidence or fuck off
>you know those are councils for cities or areas bigger than cities, right? what a retard
>Town councils in Frome and Glastonbury have voted to oppose the roll-outof 5G in their area,
>town councils
>Frome
>Glastonbury
>Glastonbury (/ˈɡlæstənb(ə)ri/)[2] is a town and civil parish in Somerset, England, situated at a dry point on the low-lying Somerset Levels, 23 miles (37 km) south of Bristol. The town, which is in the Mendip district, had a population of 8,932 in the 2011 census.[1]
It seems that you're the retard in this case. Towns with populations of less than 10,000 are not "cities", nor is a new one getting a moratorium "every week". Stop lying.

>> No.10823413

>>10823381
>xd upvotes please
Again accusing others of being redditors while you yourself are one

>> No.10823417

>>10822908
It's not nazis, it's mostly paid shills. There are some certain governments in the world which want to sink the US and entire Anglosphere population into the ocean of mutual hate, distrust and disdain. I don't want to get political, but I feel the need to beware you and others because this d&c shit is everywhere on the internet now. Anti-5G shilling, anti-vaxx hysteria, climate change denial, moon landing conspiracy theories, IQ and race threads – these are among the most effective disinformation strategies they use on /sci/. There are many of the same trolls on /his/, /g/, /lit/, /tv/ and, obviously, on /pol/.
It's such a shame that so many average citizens fall for it again and again and begin to spread these lies across the internet.

>> No.10823422

>>10823411
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/health_services/mental_health/admission_to_a_psychiatric_hospital.html

>> No.10823426

>>10823422
Good idea, some people might not know what a mental patient is.

>> No.10823428

>>10823237
The same libs you hate*

>> No.10823441

>>10823426
wasn't trying to spread awareness, you're doing plenty for that. Just trying to help you get some help anon

>> No.10823445

>>10823441
>no u

>> No.10823609

In this world it's yeet or be yeeted, and OP has been thoroughly yaught
https://pastebin.com/VuLYa82S

>> No.10823621

>>10823352
>literally no sources on the website
is this a joke?

>> No.10823622

>>10823371
What reason did he have? Maybe he’s just another cuckoo like you with more power.

>> No.10823626

>>10823385
Sometimes I take a jar, put it up my ass, and squeeze real hard until it shatters into thousands of pieces and then I bend forward and suck my own dick while bits of intestine, blood, and glass fall out of my prolapsed anus.

>> No.10823635

>>10823327
>>10823335
>>10823340
>>10823344
>>10823348
>>10823352
>>10823363
>>10823371
>>10823381
>>10823385
>>10823398
>>10823417
>>10823626
And a lot of the time when I get finished giving myself a little heady wedy I find my mommy and show her the glass and gut bits and say “mommy I feel good” and she cries and then I get put into the place where the good people go who do the same thing and I feel sad that I can’t put more jars in my butt

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>>10822820
Huh.

>> No.10823678

>>10822908
Nazis loved technology more than anyone else at the time.

>> No.10823702

>>10823678
So much that they alienated all their good physicists with autistic aryan physics

>> No.10823709

>>10823332
>you're only allowed to distrust popular consensus on exactly one subject, preferably less

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10823770

>>10823332
Clamped, vaccinated, circumcised.

C L A M P E D
L
A
M
P
E
D

VAXXED....
Circ'd.

Nothing is wrong.

>> No.10823785

>>10823668
go back to /x/ with your hoaxes

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>>10823785

>> No.10823836

>>10823789
not an argument

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>>10823836

>> No.10823857

>>10823789
true

>> No.10823865

>>10822862
>>10822868

/sci/ nerds BTFO

>> No.10823937

>>10822820
Everybody knows they are being poisoned slowly by radiation. I'm not sure why you care so much. I've moved somewhere where there is no 5G. Or 4G. Or 3G. And the nearest neighbour is too far for me to see their wifi. Radiation is still raining down on me and not all of it is natural.

To live is to die slowly.

>> No.10824234

>>10823937
fuck off jew

>> No.10824463

>>10822862
This graph show the devil side of statistics, the R^2 it's 0.4, a fucking bad level, but hey, p value it's so dam low! We have to believe it!
That distribution cannot be cleary explained by using a linear classifier.
What i'd do by looking the image it's trying to classify in polar coordinates.

>> No.10824492

>>10822820
>We microwaved rats and they died
>Therefore you should believe in this anti new tech meme

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>>10822820
Mandatory

>> No.10825438

>>10824492
shalom

>> No.10825446

>>10824492
The irradiated ones actually outlived the unirradiated ones, which makes the study look poorly made and retarded.

>> No.10825457

>>10825446
you are poorly made and retarded