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Your opinion of this organization?

>> No.10687634

>>10687630
Based but somewhat too conservative. They should be at the frontier yet they're in the backline

>> No.10687656

>>10687630
They have fallen out of graces post-Apollo. But they're getting better it seems like. Hopefully they'll actually get stuff done instead of sending probes every year or so while growing beans in LEO. They can do more and go further than any other agency/company if the US government applies them for such instead of treating them like a vanity project.

I wish them good luck on their return to the moon.

>> No.10687698

>>10687656
>They can do more and go further than any other agency/company if the US government applies them for such instead of treating them like a vanity project.

This so hard. Nasa could be so great if the government used it for anything other than cold-war-style dick waving.

>> No.10687702

>>10687630
Mired in administrative burocracy for the last 30 years but one of my least despised governmental organizations.

>> No.10687706 [DELETED] 

>>10687630
The use 73% of the national budget. And still won't use coal.

>> No.10687712

>>10687630
They use 73% of the national budget. And still won't use coal.

>> No.10687715

>>10687712

Based and nonsensepilled

>> No.10687733

Really impressive, miles ahead of any countries equivalent even if they had equal budgets. (Saying that JAXA's current asteroid mission was seriously impressive in execution and complexity) Hoping the SLS and JWT don't run into any problems either politically or financially.

>> No.10687736

>>10687733
I'm hoping James Webb launches soon. I have been waiting for it to launch for years.

>> No.10687739

>>10687712
Unbased and coalburnerpilled

>> No.10687766

>>10687630
Fraudulent occultist organisation that creates a false reality regarding the nature of reality.

If you disagree, who was Jack Parsons?

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>>10687736
>They have fallen out of graces post-Apollo. But they're getting better it seems like. Hopefully they'll actually g

>Explodes on launchpad

>> No.10687818

>>10687816

>Citing half of the wrong post
>I am a retard

>> No.10687847

>>10687766
Probably a man

>> No.10687914

>>10687847
We don't want to assume their gender, but we'll call him a man for now.

He was the guy that started JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory, AKA Jack Parsons Laboratory) which then lead to the formation of NASA. He was a Thelemite occultist magician who used rocketry as a ritualistic/symbolic tool.

Occultists worship all things that are high in the sky, therefore they love things that exist on earth that can reach very high altitudes, as it means they can get closer to their deities such as the sun or moon. They love eagles as they can fly higher than any other bird. Hence why the Eagle landed on the moon. It's no coincidence the moon "missions" were named after Apollo either.

>> No.10687917

>>10687630
undervalued. but over rated. government isn't efficient for science.

>> No.10688014

>>10687914
So was Parsons legit occult iyo, like was it the occult first and that inspired the space stuff, or he lurved space and used the occult stuff to get the space stuff going and get others involved?

>> No.10688055

>>10687712
cringe and blackpilled

>> No.10688088

>>10687630

World leaders in deep space unmanned vehicles and missions by far. Should give up on cost plus contracting for launch vehicles outright. Home-brewed manned space flight program (Orion) is a bad joke. SLS is an absolute shitshow and either should have been a clean slate design using no legacy hardware other than the very basics (alloys) or should not have been pursued at all. Station is interesting but extremely bloated and isn't doing the most important science, which is obviously to test the effects of reduced gravity as opposed to zero gravity (despite multiple decades of manned space flight including on-orbit stays of over a year we still have done zero research in this field and instead insist on wasting time and effort confirming 'zero G bad').

>> No.10688151

>>10687630
Gemini
Apollo
Mariners
Voyagers
Cassini
Mars landers and rovers
Magelan
New Horizons
Hubble

>> No.10688226

>>10688014
Occultism and science fiction go hand in hand. He was reading books on mythology and then science fiction. Science fiction is written by occultists. He got into rocketry because he wanted to go to the moon and stars. He then began occultic rituals and the rest is history.

Occultists write science fiction like a magical script in hopes that the reality it tells can be falsified in real life and the public believe it. Jack opened the door to the sci-fi reality of rockets going into space etc. Other occultists will then latch on to this opportunity to continue moulding this fake reality to align with their beliefs.

>> No.10688263

>>10688088
>despite multiple decades of manned space flight including on-orbit stays of over a year we still have done zero research in this field and instead insist on wasting time and effort confirming 'zero G bad'
This part makes me sad. The ISS really seems like it was built before there was a purpose for it, and lots of stuff that's done for it seem very tacked compared to other purposes of a space station. A spinning space station isn't some mysterious tech from a dark age, it could've been done years ago (even something as simple as two cans connected via cable). Wasted opportunity.

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>>10687630
Utterly compromised.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PRgoisHRmUE

>> No.10688299

I don't how you can watch this and still believe that not only have these people been to space, but that they're supposed to be the cream of the crop in terms of intelligence and competence. It's so obvious they're intelligence agents acting as "astronauts".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmcwW-8CC6E

>> No.10688545

>>10688299
Took long enough for conspiracytard to drop dumb video.

>> No.10688569

An experiment, some may know it some not! Lol, a corridor for funds and a test ground for scientists and others who can be called higher up!

>> No.10688573

>>10687630
anyone can do it nowadays, but they did good in the past.

we should honor the historiy of nasa

>> No.10688603

>>10688545
I always find it funny that conspiracy theorists believe that there is this world wide conspiracy to fake space involving thousands of people, lasting for decades even centuries, and would require some of the most brilliant minds to keep up a consistent cover story. Yet it can be blown wide open by some random guy. The "bubbles in space" is the funniest. Because apparently the conspirators who have fooled the entire world are so stupid that they keep making the same mistake over and over again even though better methods of faking mircogravity have been around for years.

And then there's the whole of issue of why go through all the trouble of faking space. Which will end up with endless speculation and backtracking on behalf of the conspiracy theorist.

>> No.10688610

>>10688603
Also the fact that maintaining such a hoax would cost far more than the money they allegedly stand to gain by "stealing muh tax dollars"

>> No.10688646

Has anyone ever studies how humans behave if they are allowed and able to roam free in vast territories and encounter a barrier they cannot cross or have no information what is beyond the berier? It alears that majority of the humans despite having absolute comfort and resources will not giveup trying to break through the barrier, eventually paranoia will spread masivly making life difficult and possibly leading to absolute implosion and destruction. You think now the conspiracies are everywhere, immaagine times 10 or more and everyone believes in at least 10!
It is amazing how humans behave, and more amazing 5hat true behaviour is not known by most! Essentially is the scenario was such where a barrier was present and the beyond unknown or very little known there would be no such thing as too much effort or resources and time dedicated to keep it secret to ensure development and very survival of species!

>> No.10688697

>>10688646
What are you even talking about? Space being a barrier?

>> No.10688704

>start exciting new mission
>president changes
>mission is canceled and a new mission is made to make the new president look good
>repeat every 4 or 8 years
fucking politics ruined nasa

>> No.10688721

>>10688704
The "return to the moon" mission is supported by the same group that supports SLS, so there's a chance that it'll survive the next administration after Trump since that group doesn't care about the president's wishes. The next president would have to have a serious vendetta against spaceflight to stop it now.

>> No.10688734

>>10687630
I miss the "worm" logo. The meatball is ugly.

>> No.10688735

>>10688603
Clearly they don't need to be very good at the conspiracy as they can make dumb mistakes and people like you will still deny there is one because you want space to be real. You've been buttered up with star wars and all that other space shit.

>And then there's the whole of issue of why go through all the trouble of faking space.
Fits with the current mainstream belief regarding reality. They also want the possibility of aliens being real to create a threat that will unite mankind.

>> No.10688737

>>10688721
>The next president would have to have a serious vendetta against spaceflight to stop it now.
Have you seen how much contempt that Cortez bitch shows towards space progress?

>> No.10688740

>>10688545
>>10688610
Explain the video then instead of deflecting with drivel.

>> No.10688757

>>10688740
>>>/x/

>> No.10688764
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>>10688735
>Clearly they don't need to be very good at the conspiracy as they can make dumb mistakes and people like you will still deny there is one because you want space to be real
So the conspiracy is falsifiable then? You can't respond to legitimate criticisms of your theory with "Well, you just don't want to believe that my theory is true!" Maybe bring up some hard evidence of space being faked such as how NASA faked the ISS clearly being seen by literally anyone with eyes.

>Fits with the current mainstream belief regarding reality.
That's not a valid reason. "It fits with everyone's expectations" can also be explained by it being a real thing rather than a fake perpetrated by an unseen conspiracy.

>They also want the possibility of aliens being real to create a threat that will unite mankind.
More speculation isn't evidence. Who's "they"? Why do aliens being real have to rely on spaceflight being a thing? Why do "they" want to unite mankind? Got ANY evidence for this, or are you just going to say "You just too brainwashed"?

>> No.10688767

>>10688757
Another deflection.

>> No.10688772

>>10688740
>What's light exposure?
Also, why would a world wide conspiracy, who has all of the resources and power to fake not one but two moon landing programs between two super powers who severely distrusted each other, forget basic continuity of stars being visible or not? Would "differences in eyes, lighting situations, background effects, and unreliable witnesses" be a simpler explanation than an all powerful conspiracy?

>> No.10688775

>>10688151
all but apollo were robots not people
still impressive feats

>> No.10688776

>>10688764
>They also want the possibility of aliens being real to create a threat that will unite mankind.
This one especially doesn't make any fucking sense because in order to believe the moon landings were faked you must also believe that the entire cold-war was a sham and that the people ruling over the US and Russia were and still are in collusion. If this is the case then any divide between the two nations is purely manufactured in the first place. If they can manufacture a false divide then there's no reason they need aliens to undo this divide.
>>10688767
>deflection
No one cares about your schizo conspiracies, take it to /x/ where people might be dumb enough to fall for your shit.

>> No.10688786

>>10688776
>This one especially doesn't make any fucking sense because in order to believe the moon landings were faked you must also believe that the entire cold-war was a sham and that the people ruling over the US and Russia were and still are in collusion. If this is the case then any divide between the two nations is purely manufactured in the first place. If they can manufacture a false divide then there's no reason they need aliens to undo this divide.
I didn't think of that one. Good catch!

Also >>10688767, the reason why everyone seems to be deflecting to you is because your theory is incredibly weak, lacks good evidence, and has been around for years yet hasn't generated any results. Find evidence, such as classified documents explaining how to fake parts of a space program, location of the soundstages used to fake the moon landing, or proof that spaceflight hardware in general aren't built to spec. Then you'll be taken seriously.

>> No.10688792

>>10688764
>So the conspiracy is falsifiable then? You can't respond to legitimate criticisms of your theory with "Well, you just don't want to believe that my theory is true!" Maybe bring up some hard evidence of space being faked such as how NASA faked the ISS clearly being seen by literally anyone with eyes.
You can't deny many people are emotionally invested in space being real due to so many stories being based upon it. When people want space to be real, they instantly become an ally in the conspiracy unknowingly as they will not only believe space is real, but they will defend it against detractors, fuelled by emotion rather than logic.

Observing something in the sky doesn't prove anything as they could easily have the technology to do such a thing. Commercial space travel is what we need - what's taking so long? Hmmm.....
>That's not a valid reason. "It fits with everyone's expectations" can also be explained by it being a real thing rather than a fake perpetrated by an unseen conspiracy.
What came first, the theories regarding space, or space travel?
>More speculation isn't evidence. Who's "they"? Why do aliens being real have to rely on spaceflight being a thing? Why do "they" want to unite mankind? Got ANY evidence for this, or are you just going to say "You just too brainwashed"?
Space and the giant universe is required for alien life to be likely and for the potential for them to visit us. An alien threat would unite humanity against one enemy, at which point we could be controlled as one entity. It's simply a theory, backed up by how aliens and alien invasions have been shoved into our collective consciousness for so long.

>> No.10688801

>>10688792
>the conspiracy
What conspiracy?

>> No.10688802

>>10688792
Why didn't Russia expose the US for "faking" the moon landings?

>> No.10688807

>>10688772
>world wide conspiracy
>two super powers who severely distrusted each other
See the contradiction here? Wouldn't be a very good world wide conspiracy if they actually did distrust each other.
>forget basic continuity of stars being visible or not?
Perhaps to test how people will react? If they can get away with that they know they're doing it right.
>Would "differences in eyes, lighting situations, background effects, and unreliable witnesses" be a simpler explanation than an all powerful conspiracy?
Considering in the first clip one of the "astronauts" was waiting for the other to answer instead of actually answering themselves tells me they have stock answers. They would be viewing the stars in the same environment etc.

>> No.10688816

>>10688792
>You can't deny many people are emotionally invested in space being real due to so many stories being based upon it. When people want space to be real, they instantly become an ally in the conspiracy unknowingly as they will not only believe space is real, but they will defend it against detractors, fuelled by emotion rather than logic.
Unfalsifiable notion.

>Observing something in the sky doesn't prove anything as they could easily have the technology to do such a thing.
Do you have evidence that the ISS is being faked? If not, then the large amounts of amateur observations of the ISS are still valid.

>Commercial space travel is what we need - what's taking so long? Hmmm.....
Because the United Stages was paranoid about the technology on how to make ICBMs getting out to rouge states. Only recently has the United States have warmed up to commercial space because it became almost impossible to control the technology so it was pointless to hold commercial space back.

>What came first, the theories regarding space, or space travel?
The theories. Theories which were based on evidence and rational thinking. Both of which your theory is lacking. Unless you have the evidence? If so, then share it.

>Space and the giant universe is required for alien life to be likely and for the potential for them to visit us...
Read: >>10688776

This will be my last reply to you, because you have repeatedly failed to present evidence for your conspiracy and thus it's pointless to argue with you over spaceflight existing if all you're going to offer is more speculation that's too lame for a science fiction novel.

BRING EVIDENCE!

>> No.10688820

>>10688807
Evidence? Do you have it?

>> No.10688825

>>10688807
>dude they were deliberately being inconsistent with their pre-scripted answers
Literally anything is evidence of a conspiracy to people like you

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>> No.10688829

>>10688825
>Cashier was accidentally a couple of coins short on change
>"(((THEY))) must be behind it!"

>> No.10688842

>>10688776
>This one especially doesn't make any fucking sense because in order to believe the moon landings were faked you must also believe that the entire cold-war was a sham and that the people ruling over the US and Russia were and still are in collusion. If this is the case then any divide between the two nations is purely manufactured in the first place. If they can manufacture a false divide then there's no reason they need aliens to undo this divide.
They want to create division first so that we crave unity. At which point aliens can be used to provide that.
>No one cares about your schizo conspiracies, take it to /x/ where people might be dumb enough to fall for your shit.
Kinda ironic how I'm being called the schizo conspirator yet I'm the one denying the existence of aliens - tin foil hats are used to stop aliens reading your mind. It has become mainstream belief that aliens likely exist, so maybe you should invest in a tin foil hat?

>> No.10688844

>>10688842
Where's your evidence?

>> No.10688846

>>10688786
>Also >>10688767 (You), the reason why everyone seems to be deflecting to you is because your theory is incredibly weak, lacks good evidence, and has been around for years yet hasn't generated any results. Find evidence, such as classified documents explaining how to fake parts of a space program, location of the soundstages used to fake the moon landing, or proof that spaceflight hardware in general aren't built to spec. Then you'll be taken seriously.
How about we just get fucking commercial space travel? How many more years of no commercial space travel before you call bullshit? Space should be undeniable in 2019, yet here we are.

>> No.10688848

>>10688842
>They want to create division first so that we crave unity. At which point aliens can be used to provide that
>source: my ass
>I'm the one denying the existence of aliens
Denying the existence of something that's pretty much mathematically certain is pretty retarded
>tin foil hats are used to stop aliens reading your mind
Source?

>> No.10688850

>>10688801
Conspirators love people like you.

>> No.10688851

>>10688846
Evidence that commercial space travel should've happened earlier? Evidence that it being late is a sign that space travel is fake? No? Then try again.

>> No.10688852

>>10688802
Because they were in on it of course. Fake enemies. It's why they happily share the ISS with America.

>> No.10688854

>>10688850
>Conspirators
Of what conspiracy?

>> No.10688858

>>10687712
>73% of the national budget
Based schizo poster

>> No.10688863

>>10688852
>they were in on it of course
Proof?
>It's why they happily share the ISS with America
Are you saying the USSR and modern day Russian Federation are comparable?

>> No.10688880

>>10688816
>Unfalsifiable notion.
You've proved my argument.
>Do you have evidence that the ISS is being faked? If not, then the large amounts of amateur observations of the ISS are still valid.
Observations of something in the sky are not proof. Even if the ISS was real, it doesn't prove that space is real, or how we're being told it is supposed to be. NASA have the money and access to military technology so it's certainly feasible they could put something up there.
>Because the United Stages was paranoid about the technology on how to make ICBMs getting out to rouge states. Only recently has the United States have warmed up to commercial space because it became almost impossible to control the technology so it was pointless to hold commercial space back.
Riiiiight. Horseshit.
>The theories. Theories which were based on evidence and rational thinking. Both of which your theory is lacking. Unless you have the evidence? If so, then share it.
Commercial space travel please. My standards of evidence are higher than yours - you're free to believe information from military agencies regarding "space", I need much more than that.
>This will be my last reply to you, because you have repeatedly failed to present evidence for your conspiracy and thus it's pointless to argue with you over spaceflight existing if all you're going to offer is more speculation that's too lame for a science fiction novel.
>BRING EVIDENCE!
The public can't access space in 2019 despite landing man on the moon in 1969. That goes against Moore's law.

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>>10688880
>Moore's law applying to spaceflight

>> No.10688890

>>10688820
I have logic. You believe the mainstream narrative that was woven during a period of heavy propaganda. You believe these two super powers were genuine enemies in a battle to land on the moon.

I believe they're smarter than that, and actually worked together.

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>>10688880
>My standards of evidence are higher than yours

>> No.10688896

>>10688890
No amount of logic can explain the world around us alone. So, again, where is your evidence?

>> No.10688907

>>10688825
The point is it doesn't matter if they're inconsistent because people like you will defend them regardless. Do you honestly not find their responses weird?

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>>10688848
>Denying the existence of something that's pretty much mathematically certain is pretty retarded
They got you.
>Source?
Pic related. They use movies to mock.

>> No.10688922

>>10688912
>Pic related
That's not a source for your statement. Prove that "tin foil hats are used to stop aliens reading your mind"
>>10688907
People like you will deride them regardless. NASA will bring 4K cameras with them to the moon just like many of your kind have requested as evidence, yet once this is presented it will simply be handwaved away as being fake by you and your ilk.

>> No.10688926

>>10688851
Ancient technology was used to land man on the moon multiple times. Technology gets cheaper and better. Commercial space travel is a great business opportunity, with the opportunity of becoming the market leader as it's so new. Decades go by and Richard Branson can't even reach the Karman line in 2019 let alone offer space travel publicly.

How many years of no commercial space travel before you think something fishy is up?

>> No.10688930

>>10688854
No conspiracies exist, don't worry about it.

>> No.10688935

>>10688926
Evidence that spaceflight technology should've been made cheaper at a rate faster than what we see? No?

>> No.10688936 [DELETED] 

>>10688863
>Proof?
Look up the masonic flag that Buzz supposedly took with him to the moon. Then look up the coat of arms of Russia. The USSR also did a symbolic rendezvous with the US in space after the moon missions which is very weird.
>Are you saying the USSR and modern day Russian Federation are comparable?
Look up the rendezvous they did with each other, yes of course they're comparable.

>> No.10688937

>>10688926
>Ancient technology
Define ancient.
>Technology gets cheaper and better
And? SpaceX rockets are cheaper and technologically superior to the Saturn V, what's your point? Payload capacity isn't the only measure of a rocket you know.
>Richard Branson can't even reach the Karman line in 2019 let alone offer space travel publicly.
Who says his goal was the Karman line?

>> No.10688942

>>10688936
>Look up the masonic flag that Buzz supposedly took with him to the moon. Then look up the coat of arms of Russia. The USSR also did a symbolic rendezvous with the US in space after the moon missions which is very weird.
That's no proof.

>> No.10688944

>>10688885
Moore's law can apply to other things, but in terms of computing power of course it will improve space travel.

>> No.10688945

>>10688930
>No conspiracies exist
According to you? Why should I trust you?
>>10688936
>Look up the masonic flag that Buzz supposedly took with him to the moon. Then look up the coat of arms of Russia. The USSR also did a symbolic rendezvous with the US in space after the moon missions which is very weird.
This is not proof that Russia was "in on it". I thought you said you had a "very high" standard of proof?
>of course they're comparable.
In what regards?

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>>10688894
Truth hurts.

>> No.10688948

>>10688944
>computing power can lift things off the ground
Retard.

>> No.10688950

>>10688947
Is that why you're still desperately trying to peddle your shit conspiracy which hasn't been able to come up with a single piece of concrete evidence in 50 years?

>> No.10688953

>>10688896
TV transmission not being possible 230,000 miles away using 1969 batteries.

>> No.10688956

>>10688953
>TV transmission not being possible 230,000 miles away using 1969 batteries
According to you? Anything to back up this statement?

>> No.10688958

>>10688953
Evidence? Come on, this is some low effort posting.

>> No.10688963

>>10688922
>That's not a source for your statement. Prove that "tin foil hats are used to stop aliens reading your mind"
It's just a silly belief - I'm not claiming it's true. I'm just saying that the existence of aliens is a pretty mainstream belief now, yet ironically that was a belief that nutty conspiracy theorists were mocked for, hence tin foil hatters.
>People like you will deride them regardless. NASA will bring 4K cameras with them to the moon just like many of your kind have requested as evidence, yet once this is presented it will simply be handwaved away as being fake by you and your ilk.
It's 2019 - travelling to moon should be a common trip, it should be undeniable. Yet the best you can offer is 4K video?

>> No.10688964

>>10688935
Because all other technologies that can be used in space flight got better and cheaper.

>> No.10688967

>>10688963
>I'm not claiming it's true
So why did you say it?
>ironically that was a belief that nutty conspiracy theorists were mocked for
No it wasn't. The mathematical probability of extra terrestrial life has been known and accepted mainstream for decades. It's nutjobs who claim they saw a flying saucer/got abducted with literally no evidence to back up their claims (sound familiar) that are derided with the tinfoil hat meme.
>travelling to moon should be a common trip
According to who? You? Why?
>>10688964
Proof that human-rated reusable rockets should have been developed before now?

>> No.10688973

>>10688937
>Define ancient.
1969.
>And? SpaceX rockets are cheaper and technologically superior to the Saturn V, what's your point? Payload capacity isn't the only measure of a rocket you know.
Wow, it's superior to a rocket from the 60's. We should be way past comparing to that.
>Who says his goal was the Karman line?
That just makes it even worse.

>> No.10688975

>>10688942
It's evidence.

>> No.10688976

>>10687630
Management lacks efficiency and is too tied to political organization rather than a science organization. Lack the will/goals/vision for a successful future missions. Lack of innovation/stagnation..

>> No.10688983

>>10688975
No it's not. Coincidences in symbolism isn't evidence. How about classified documents? Scientific evidence that spaceflight is impossible or not how it is commonly shown? How about a verified testimony of someone who was inside on the conspiracy? No?

>> No.10688988

>>10688945
>This is not proof that Russia was "in on it". I thought you said you had a "very high" standard of proof?
Proof? I said evidence. The US was able to land on the moon without issue or interference from the Soviets, and they managed to do it multiple times after that. The Soviets were so gracious in defeat that not only did they admit the US landed on the moon, but they did a symbolic rendezvous with them, then disbanded and became Russia, who adopted the double headed eagle as their coat of arms. Russia now occupies the ISS along with the US. Even the cold war was very peaceful. But of course, they're dire enemies. There's so much evidence of it.

>> No.10688989

>>10688973
>1969
Why is 1969 ancient?
>Wow, it's superior to a rocket from the 60's.
Yes, and?
>We should be way past comparing to that.
Why? Would you like me to compare it to the STS rockets instead?
>That just makes it even worse.
No, you didn't answer my question. Where did Richard Branson state that his company's goal was offering trips PAST the Karman line?

>> No.10688994

>>10688948
>implying computer chips can't improve engines

>> No.10688995

>>10688988
>I said evidence
It's not evidence of it either.
>not only did they admit the US landed on the moon
Because they had no way to deny it, because it actually happened.
>Russia now occupies the ISS along with the US.
It's not called the INTERNATIONAL space station for nothing. Are Russia not allowed have a space agency now?
>the cold war was very peaceful
No it wasn't. Do you know what a cold war is?

>> No.10689002

>>10688994
>implying you can cheat physics because your computing power has increased
Unless some vastly new and improved method of propulsion was discovered between 1969 and now, you can't lift heavy payloads into orbit without a fuck-huge rocket. Fuck-huge rockets are expensive. Moon trips are expensive and require extensive planning. Being able to play fortnite on your home computer at 300FPS won't change that.

>> No.10689009

>>10688950
HAHAHA 50 years! Maybe you spacefags could make it undeniable and shut us up? That's all we want. If space is real, great. MAKE IT UNDENIABLE. SHOW ME 4K FOOTAGE OF A SOLAR OR LUNAR ECLIPSE FROM SPACE. SHOW ME THE MOON ORBITING THE EARTH IN 4K. SHOW THE ORBITS OF EVERYTHING IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM IN 4K.

Surely you spacefags want the same thing? Even if it is still denied as fake, eventually the evidence will be overwhelming. SO WHAT'S TAKING SO LONG?

>> No.10689012

>>10688956
>>10688958
The size of TV transmission towers and the power they required to broadcast a few hundred miles on earth - not possible with what they had in the Apollo missions.

>> No.10689015

>>10689012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkes_Observatory

>> No.10689022

>>10689009
>SHOW ME 4K FOOTAGE OF A SOLAR OR LUNAR ECLIPSE FROM SPACE
https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/galleries/2017/total_solar_eclipse
Here you go.
>SHOW ME THE MOON ORBITING THE EARTH IN 4K
https://youtu.be/1t8UNxY2bgQ
Now take your meds and run along back to /x/

>> No.10689028

>>10689012
Broadcasting entirely through atmosphere to tiny consumer antenna is in no way comparable to broadcasting through a vacuum to one of the largest satellite dishes/network in the world

>> No.10689029

>>10688967
>So why did you say it?
To show you have more in common with tin foil hat wearers than myself.
>No it wasn't. The mathematical probability of extra terrestrial life has been known and accepted mainstream for decades. It's nutjobs who claim they saw a flying saucer/got abducted with literally no evidence to back up their claims (sound familiar) that are derided with the tinfoil hat meme.
This mathematical probability being based upon a belief regarding the nature of reality. Your belief about the "universe" is not fact, so neither is this mathematical probability you are so sure exists.
>According to who? You? Why?
Because it was done 5 times many decades ago without anyone dying using very primitive technology. Such a trip can only become easier and cheaper - if not, why?
>Proof that human-rated reusable rockets should have been developed before now?
Because it's a natural progression.

>> No.10689046

>>10688983
>No it's not. Coincidences in symbolism isn't evidence.
So the US and the USSR/Russia haven't been friendly to each other in space? These countries use symbolism but the double headed eagle is merely a coincidence and doesn't symbolise a partnership, not forgetting that the US' coat of arms is also an eagle, and the lunar landed was nicknamed the eagle. Nah, just a coincidence...

>Scientific evidence that spaceflight is impossible or not how it is commonly shown?
I've still yet to see a rocket flying around in a large vacuum.
>How about a verified testimony of someone who was inside on the conspiracy? No?
Why did Neil Armstrong become an alcoholic recluse after the landing? Why did he claim he didn't deserve the fame? Why did he and the others act so oddly at the press conference?

>> No.10689047

>>10689029
>you have more in common with tin foil hat wearers than myself
Why do you think that?
>Your belief about the "universe" is not fact
It's based on centuries of compiled scientific knowledge, define "fact".
>Because it was done 5 times many decades ago without anyone dying
And? Not a very large sample size. Apollo 13 nearly resulted in the deaths of all three astronauts. If you're implying that the Apollo missions all went off without any problems then you are simply ignorant of their history.
>Such a trip can only become easier and cheaper
How much cheaper? Who is going to fund these trips and why? Pitch your sale to Congress as to why they should spend billions more on manned lunar expeditions.
>Because it's a natural progression
What time-frame are you working on? What data led you to believe human-rated reusable rockets should've been developed earlier? Sources?

>> No.10689051

>>10689046
Oh, you're one of those retards who thinks rockets push off air. Why the fuck are you even on /sci/?

>> No.10689053

>>10689046
>Why did he and the others act so oddly at the press conference?
How many days after they landed was this press conference held? What were they doing in the time between landing and having said conference? Please answer these simple questions.

>> No.10689062

>>10688989
>Why is 1969 ancient?
Why are you ignoring the argument to play semantic games?
>Why? Would you like me to compare it to the STS rockets instead?
I'd like there to be commercial space travel please. I thought rocket scientists were supposed to be smart?
>No, you didn't answer my question. Where did Richard Branson state that his company's goal was offering trips PAST the Karman line?
The point is that he cannot get past it, in 2019. If he could get past it, as was done in '69, then he would. Year after year he claims that he'll be offering flights to the public, but it never happens. What's going on?

>> No.10689070

>>10689062
>the argument
What argument?
>I'd like there to be commercial space travel please
So start up your own company.
>I thought rocket scientists were supposed to be smart
Making rockets and making space travel commercially viable are two entirely different things. What a stupid comment.
>he cannot get past it
Who says he was aiming to get past it? SpaceX can get past it when they try.
>If he could get past it, as was done in '69, then he would.
Why are you comparing a Saturn V specifically designed to bring 3 highly trained risk-takers to the moon and back to a glorified thrill-seeking plane for rich tourists?

>> No.10689079

>>10688995
>It's not evidence of it either.
So why do you believe it's impossible for two super powers to be enemies publicly but friends behind closed doors? Do you think the true relationships of countries are broadcast to the public?
>Because they had no way to deny it, because it actually happened.
Riiiight. So that country you couldn't trust during that period suddenly became trustworthy because they didn't deny the landings happened?
>It's not called the INTERNATIONAL space station for nothing. Are Russia not allowed have a space agency now?
Considering the US and Russia are supposed to be enemies, it seems rather odd that not only do they share the same space in the station, but Russia also use their rockets to get American astronauts into the ISS. What next, Palestinians and Israelis sharing rockets with each other to join the ISS? Give me a break.
>No it wasn't. Do you know what a cold war is?
Russia didn't get bombed by the US and vice versa. All it took was landing on the moon to end it. It's like something straight out of a comic book.

>> No.10689083

>>10689002
>Unless some vastly new and improved method of propulsion was discovered between 1969 and now, you can't lift heavy payloads into orbit without a fuck-huge rocket. Fuck-huge rockets are expensive. Moon trips are expensive and require extensive planning. Being able to play fortnite on your home computer at 300FPS won't change that.
If space is fake, it's in the interest of NASA to make sure propulsion technology remains stuck in the 60's as well as being very expensive.

>> No.10689086

>>10687702
this

>> No.10689088

>>10689083
What is your evidence of this?

>> No.10689089

>>10689015
That's a receiver, not the transmission from the moon.

>> No.10689091

>>10687630
It's ok. Don't really care though. But they're handy when you need them.

>> No.10689109

hold up are there retards in this thread saying space is fake? lmao@them

>> No.10689112

>>10689022
>https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/galleries/2017/total_solar_eclipse
>Here you go.
Amazing 4K footage! Not! Is that seriously the best you've got in 2019?
>https://youtu.be/1t8UNxY2bgQ
>Now take your meds and run along back to /x/
That's the weirdest shit I've ever seen. Seriously is that the best you've got? You think I'm the one that needs to take meds? Tell me how that footage looks legitimate to you.

>> No.10689114

>>10687712
Based

>> No.10689121

>>10689112
did you even watch the entire video? there's literal camera footage from the satellite

...you know if you saw a blood moon eclipse in person, like there was this year, you wouldn't be trying to ride this super dead 'space is fake!!1!' horse, right?

>> No.10689144

>>10689028
>Broadcasting entirely through atmosphere to tiny consumer antenna is in no way comparable to broadcasting through a vacuum to one of the largest satellite dishes/network in the world
It's way easier right? They nailed it first time too. You also believe Michael Collins was orbiting around the moon relaying the communications back to earth, and he also docked with Neil and Buzz once they took off to go back to earth?

What else they do? Fly through a meteor shower dodging every one? Give me a fucking break.

>> No.10689172

>>10689047
>Why do you think that?
You believe aliens exist.
>It's based on centuries of compiled scientific knowledge, define "fact".
It's a belief. A fact would be that there is an area above us the public are unable to go to. Claiming you know what the lights are in the sky etc is all faith based.
>And? Not a very large sample size. Apollo 13 nearly resulted in the deaths of all three astronauts. If you're implying that the Apollo missions all went off without any problems then you are simply ignorant of their history.
What do you mean and? Don't you realise how absurd it is to land on the moon first time, then take off, dock with Michael Collins, and land back to earth? All in a vacuum in alien moon gravity, in bespoke space crafts. None of this can be truly simulated on earth, no where near it, yet they nailed it first time. COME ON.
>How much cheaper? Who is going to fund these trips and why? Pitch your sale to Congress as to why they should spend billions more on manned lunar expeditions.
Are you a space fan or not? Everyone would visit the moon if it was safe and easy and relatively affordable - there'd be plenty of money in it.
>What time-frame are you working on? What data led you to believe human-rated reusable rockets should've been developed earlier? Sources?
I believe re-usable rockets were already a thing before Musk did it. But rocket technology is funded by the military who have a fairly decent budget as far as I know.

>> No.10689173

>>10689051
Just show me a rocket/craft flying in a large vacuum. Shouldn't be hard.

>> No.10689184

>>10689088
Propulsion technology not improving. No commercial space flight. Where is your evidence that NASA can be trusted?

>> No.10689191

>>10689121
>did you even watch the entire video? there's literal camera footage from the satellite
Satellite? You mean the ISS? Ignoring the fucking weird footage of the moon and sun, notice how the earth is absolutely tiny too?

What I want is a video camera much further away facing towards the earth with the moon also in frame, filming the complete orbit. None of these weird minute long clips cut together. Show the solar system in action from a real perspective. There's nothing to hide right?
>...you know if you saw a blood moon eclipse in person, like there was this year, you wouldn't be trying to ride this super dead 'space is fake!!1!' horse, right?
How do blood moon eclipses prove space is real?

>> No.10689253 [DELETED] 

>>10688270
I don't know why, but this seems fake, there seems to be something odd about the story and how it got pushed by so many mainstream news corporations. I honestly don't buy it.

>> No.10689287

>>10689191
i got confused by thinking the moon was earth during one of those shots, but then i think i, iunno, actually decided to watch the video?

and that sun footage sure is weird right? it's almost like three things might be spinning together in a way where while the sun sets from earth it might not totally set on the ISS sometimes... woah bro thats a mind blower i think this is how they did 9/11

>> No.10689294 [DELETED] 

>>10689191
and as for the eclipse, you can SEE the earth's shadow racing against the speed of the moon's orbit to gain ground, the orbit is only slightly slower though, and gradually the shadow begins to overtook the lunar surface. when the shadow finally totally overtakes it, after being a sliver waxing and waning slightly for half a minute or so, the moon takes on a /slight/ red hue, almost like it might be scattering only the wavelengths at barely-red and lower

it's naked eye astronomical phenomena on a grand scale, when you keep in mind how small the moon is, how big the earth is, and then spend a snall moment struggling to reconcile suddenly perceiving the depth of one lightsecond, and something moving that far away at apparently pretty decent speed

>> No.10689297

>>10689191
and as for the eclipse, you can SEE the earth's shadow racing against the speed of the moon's orbit to gain ground, the orbit is only slightly slower though, and gradually the shadow begins to overtake the lunar surface. when the shadow finally totally overtakes it, after being a sliver waxing and waning slightly for half a minute or so, the moon takes on a /slight/ red hue, almost like it might be scattering only the wavelengths at barely-red and lower

it's naked eye astronomical phenomena on a grand scale, when you keep in mind how small the moon is, how big the earth is, and then spend a snall moment struggling to reconcile suddenly perceiving the depth of one lightsecond, and something moving that far away at apparently pretty decent speed

>> No.10689309

>>10689287
>i got confused by thinking the moon was earth during one of those shots, but then i think i, iunno, actually decided to watch the video?
You watched it and didn't think it looked like shit? If that's the best you've got then it's embarrassing and you know it.
>and that sun footage sure is weird right? it's almost like three things might be spinning together in a way where while the sun sets from earth it might not totally set on the ISS sometimes... woah bro thats a mind blower i think this is how they did 9/11
It looks completely retarded. Explain why the earth looks so small as well. Don't you wish you had better footage than this mess? We need to see space in all its glory. We want to see the orbits in action from a stationary camera with a wide view to get as many planets in view as possible. We need to see that same solar system model we had in science class filmed in real life.

Do you disagree? Are you happy with the footage we have of supposed space? Do you think it could be better?

>> No.10689320

>>10689297
VIDEO THE FUCKING ECLIPSE WITH THE MOON, EARTH AND SUN ALL IN FRAME.

Document the entire thing for goodness sake. WHERE IS IT!?

>> No.10689376

>>10689320
https://youtu.be/e-QFj59PON4?t=10

>> No.10689383

>>10687630
lazy un·ion·ize "fags" .

>> No.10689441

>>10688299
https://www.nasa.gov/content/milky-way-viewed-from-the-international-space-station there are photos of space from the ISS lmfao

>> No.10689442

>>10688299
https://www.iflscience.com/space/why-can-t-we-see-stars-in-space-photographs/

>> No.10689446

>>10688299
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-astronauts-disagree-on-seeing-stars-in-space-Why-did-Aldrin-say-he-didnt-see-stars-but-the-astronauts-on-the-ISS-say-they-do

>> No.10689689

>>10689079
>why do you believe it's impossible for two super powers to be enemies publicly but friends behind closed doors?
Who said I believed it was impossible? I haven't been shown any actual evidence of it, why do you expect me to take your word for it?
>So that country you couldn't trust during that period suddenly became trustworthy
No, I'm no doubt they were trying their best to see in what ways they could discredit the US, but any attempt to call the US's moon landings fake would require evidence, which they didn't have because it wasn't faked. They literally didn't have a choice but to accept that the US beat them.
>Considering the US and Russia are supposed to be enemies
?
>it seems rather odd that not only do they share the same space in the station, but Russia also use their rockets to get American astronauts into the ISS
Not really. Since after the cold war, nations have generally been fairly cooperative on non-military space projects. The research that goes into the ISS benefits all the nations involved.
>Russia didn't get bombed by the US and vice versa.
Great so you have no understanding what a cold war is.
>All it took was landing on the moon to end it.
The cold war ended in 1969? Are you mad?

>> No.10689690

>>10689089
And? Why do you think they needed such a big reciever?
>>10689083
>If space is fake
>If
No further comment is necessary until you provide evidence to back up this assertion.

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10689691

>>10687630
>>10687630
>Your opinion of this organization?
Their R&D has given so much to society - oh no, that was the American military.

What's NASA done again. . . ?

>> No.10689695

>>10689144
>It's way easier right?
No, not "way easier" in terms of logistically pulling it off but in no ways impossible. Do you have some actual evidence to suggest otherwise? Equations stating how much power they would've had to use and why this power was impossible to generate etc.
>They nailed it first time too.
Apollo 11 was NOT the first Apollo mission. It's in the name, dummy.
>You also believe Michael Collins was orbiting around the moon relaying the communications back to earth, and he also docked with Neil and Buzz once they took off to go back to earth?
Not while on the far side of the moon but yes, that's what happened.
>What else they do? Fly through a meteor shower dodging every one?
No, what makes you think that?

>> No.10689705

>>10689172
>You believe aliens exist.
I believe extra terrestrial life exists yes, now why does that make me similar to people who claim to be abducted with no evidence and believe there is a massive government cover-up of aliens? Sounds more like your domain.
>It's a belief
Belief based on centuries of facts, retard.
>A fact would be that there is an area above us the public are unable to go to.
Unable according to whom?
>Claiming you know what the lights are in the sky etc is all faith based.
Wrong. Telescopes, spectroscopy etc all exist and have been known about for centuries.
>Don't you realise how absurd it is to land on the moon first time, then take off, dock with Michael Collins, and land back to earth?
Why are you acting like Apollo was the "first time"? Do you have any idea what Apollo 10's purpose was? You're so historically illiterate it's pathetic. Read up on the thing you're trying to discredit for once, and I mean read, not watch some crackpot on YouTube.
>All in a vacuum
At a pressure difference of 5psi, which is pretty small.
>alien moon gravity
*known moon gravity
>Everyone would visit the moon if it was safe and easy and relatively affordable - there'd be plenty of money in it.
Is that seriously your pitch to Congress as to why they should pony up billions for more manned moon missions?
>I believe re-usable rockets were already a thing before Musk did it
Examples? If you're referring to the shuttle boosters explain HOW reusable they actually were.

>> No.10689711

>>10689173
Why? Explain to me why Newton's third law is suddenly invalid once the pressure of a system drops to zero? Why can SpaceX rockets be seeing flying into and back from the upper atmosphere where the pressure is so low it can be essentially described as a vacuum? By what method does the fuel transmit information back to the craft that it has "pushed off" something once it leaves the craft?

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>>10689191
>You mean the ISS? Ignoring the fucking weird footage of the moon and sun, notice how the earth is absolutely tiny too?
Focal length, retard.
>What I want is a video camera much further away facing towards the earth with the moon also in frame, filming the complete orbit
DSCOVR is the best you're going to get for now. The entire Space industry and scientific community doesn't hinge around your stupid whims. You'll just call any footage fake anyway.

>> No.10689718

>>10689309
>You watched it and didn't think it looked like shit? If that's the best you've got then it's embarrassing and you know it.
Not an argument.
>We want to see the orbits in action from a stationary camera
Stationary in relation to what reference frame? What resolution do you think this camera would need to be to resolve ALL the planets in one giant frame? Do you have any sense of scale?

>> No.10689725

>thread status
>rekt

>> No.10689729

Why do mods babysit these literal space-denying conspiracy schizos?

>> No.10689734

>>10689046
>>10689053
Why have you ignored my simple question?

>> No.10689755

>>10688646
How come these nuts cant spell for shit. Are they orgasming while writing their posts?

>> No.10689774

>>10688792
> have the technology to do such a thing
So you are saying they put things up there to trick people into believing there is something up there when it isnt?
>what came fist, theories or space travel
I'll do you one better, what came first, the jet engine or the blueprints for it

>> No.10689830

>>10689109
Singular

>> No.10689918

>>10689830
I think there may be two, for all his stupidity, the first one seems a bit more coherent than
>>10689320
>>10689009

>> No.10689930

>>10689918
I kinda find these threads entertaining. Sure its like arguing with a block of Jello, but at least its not another IQ-thread

>> No.10689940

>>10687630

Love them. I wish they could collaborate more with ROSCOSMOS and have their budget at least doubled or tripled. The amazing stuff and discoveries that would come of this would be incredible. I'm a firm believer that more widespread collaboration between the Russian and USA space programs, especially if they could make some landmark discoveries together would help tame the tensions between the nations. This of course will never happen but one can dream.

>> No.10690173

Bureaucracy hell