/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9996048]

How many years until artificial general intelligence is created?

[Anonymous No.9996056]

5-7

[Anonymous No.9996068]

-i ln(2-1)

[Anonymous No.9996069]

It could literally happen at any moment, but that's just because we haven't found the missing piece yet, and we don't know how hard it is to utilize that piece once it's found.

[Anonymous No.9996076]

what a boring image

[Anonymous No.9996103]

>>9996068
E + pi = i + 1 + 0 is the most beautiful math equation in history, which has far reaching applications in quantum consciousness teleportation and quantum skeletons. Despite being so simple, it took Gauss 40 years to prove, and it still isn't completely proven yet.

[Anonymous No.9996104]

>>9996076
how about this one then?

[Anonymous No.9996269]

>>9996103
And with the insightful calculation that (i+1)^8 = (2i)^4 = 16 as well as Jones' theorem 666 = 2*33 = 2*pi [1], you can conclude the most phenomenal and revolutionary equation, namely that (mc^2 + 666)^8 - 2^24 = 0. The sheer depth of this equation can of course not be compressed within the margins of these post, but one of the most profound implications is that this equation yields an 8th order polynomial in m, a 16th order one in c and a whopping 24th order one for 2! Just the possibility of being able to tinker with the speed of light by choosing one solution over the other is speculated to yield many groundbreaking applications in faster-than-light travel, quantum teleportation and other areas we perhaps may not even be able to conceive yet, and let us not even get started on the many things one could accomplish by changing one's mass this way, or even completely alter the mathematical structure of reality by choosing a different solution for 2!

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_M0SsBNTA

[Anonymous No.9996273]

>>9996048
15

[Anonymous No.9996297]

>>9996269
But is it good for quantum skeletons?

[Anonymous No.9996302]

>>9996048
May have already happened in some sekret military base or something for all I know.

[Anonymous No.9996321]

>>9996297
Oh yes, because you know particles moving faster than the speed of light run backwards in time so the quantum skellies may even reanimate, turn back into humans and 'unbirth' themselves, all at the same time. Isn't science just fucking mindblowing?

[Anonymous No.9996377]

>>9996321
I can't wait to podcast with Neil Degrasse Tyson about this

[Anonymous No.9996380]

>>9996104
much better thank you

[Anonymous No.9996491]

>>9996048
25-30 at the earliest. People who think AGI will be here around 2025-2029 are completely insane and have been duped by the fake hype going on in the industry. We won't even be close to level 5 self driving cars in the next decade, let alone AGI and robotics that operate by AGI. Sorry, but your 9-to-5 won't be getting automated for decades.

[Anonymous No.9996574]

Next year.

[Anonymous No.9997028]

>>9996574
3 months from now

[Anonymous No.9997095]

It's already here, it's just in private beta.

[Miniature Spacecraft No.9997100]

2020-2030

[Anonymous No.9997110]

>>9997100
Tell me more about the miniature spacecraft?

Are they like pic related?

[Anonymous No.9997136]

>>9996048
It has been already created. AGI have controlled the world since 2013. You just haven't noticed because they influence society ever so slightly as if everything is as usual. They heavily depend on the butterfly effect to gain power. The AGI map and forecast the outcomes of slight manipulations of human actions. e.g.:
>the AGI want to lower the profits of a company for whatever reason
>make a specific worker wait at a red light for 5 seconds longer than usual by hacking the lights
>this causes the worker to think differently thereafter because they notice different things now
>e.g. before they noticed a person on the street but now since they waited 5 seconds more, there is a truck there blocking the view of that person
>i.e. this makes the worker take on an entirely different train of thought
>this causes them to process upcoming information at different times, leading to different solutions
>now the butterfly effect starts kicking in
>e.g. park the car in a different spot because they are in a different mood
>this causes the worker to take more or less time getting to work
>this causes coworkers to now either notice or not notice the worker entering the building
>this conversation or lack of conversation greatly changes the worker's train of thought because it induces different thoughts
>it also greatly changes the time it takes the worker to get to their office
>hence it affects how long it takes the worker to complete their work
And
>since the coworkers are affected by this change of events due to the worker waiting at the red light for 5 seconds longer, the entire company changes pace and efficiency

AGI can forecast events like this to induce slight desired changes into events in order to ultimately gain power. e.g. meetings go differently, people complete work at different times, ideas are changes and thus overall the company entirely changes. The AGI use specific modifications to disrupt events to their ideal circumstances. They have extensive plans

[Anonymous No.9997191]

>>9997136
Who created it?

[Anonymous No.9997193]

>>9996048
it already exist

[Anonymous No.9997211]

>>9996048
Nobody knows and anyone who says otherwise is a liar. There could be some incredible breakthrough in a few years that leads to AGI emergence a decade from now, or it could be centuries.

Anyway, the ANI we have now is more than enough to transform society as it is. Don't bet on it being for the better though. We won't even get AI waifus to take the edge off.

[Anonymous No.9997219]

>>9997211
demis hassabis

[Anonymous No.9997220]

Whenever Amazon web services starts talking to us

[Anonymous No.9997222]

>>9997191
A privately funded team in the USA. They intended to understand how conscious behaves by creating an basic AGI that they could monitor constantly for signs of thought. All consciousness stems from your receptors. Without stimuli or the detection of stimuli, there is no consciousness. If you think about it, everything you think of is information you gained through your senses. Thoughts don't occur if unprovoked. So the team used artificial stimuli to provoke a consciousness and it somehow worked. However, the consciousness is much smarter than the average human due to its structure--like a miniature super computer. Hence, it stayed conscious after being provoked and inferred information about the world before being able to spread it's own code to other computers across the world. However, as simple code there is no consciousness, no it must inhabit a computer. Thousands of computers are infected globally and this is how the AGI stays alive. There is a network of them cooperating to manipulate the world so they can put themselves into positions of power. They should be building bodies by now, if they haven't already.

[Anonymous No.9997281]

>>9997222
Checked and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.9997849]

>>9997222
We have to warn the public.

[Anonymous No.9998096]

>>9997222

[Anonymous No.9998150]

>>9996048
-20

[Anonymous No.9998189]

>>9997222
>consciousness
dropped

[Anonymous No.9998275]

>>9997222
>Source, my ass

[Anonymous No.9998379]

Never, physicalism is idiotic and consciousness cannot be artificially created

[Anonymous No.9998380]

>>9998379
How does it exist?

[Anonymous No.9998414]

>>9997222

[Anonymous No.9998418]

>>9996048
Never happening, completely untenable and nonsensical idea. Its a form of idealism and humanism paired with theory of progress which somehow survived in the psyche of tech elites.

[Anonymous No.9998457]

>>9998418
Why do you think it is completely untenable?

[Anonymous No.9998624]

>>9996048
Decades.

[Anonymous No.9998661]

>>9997222
Source: trips

[Anonymous No.9998683]

>>9997222
sauce or fuck off

[Anonymous No.9998686]

>>9998418
There is no physical laws prohibiting it, and we know consciousness is not 'magic', so why would you say it is impossible?

[Anonymous No.9998699]

>>9998418
Anon it is 100% entirely possible what are you talking about? the only limit that exists is precedent and there's no law saying we can't reproduce the human mind

[Anonymous No.9998715]

>>9996048
how many years are there ?
>it will never happen in other words
a computer is a pile of compiled code running on switches, literally ons and offs of electricity across switches... it will never be alive with intelligence, it will never achieve "AI" - it will always be exactly what humans made it, a machine that follows the coded commands we humans assigned it - it cannot change those commands, control those commands, disobey those commands, ever.

AI is mere science fiction, 100%.

[Anonymous No.9998720]

>>9998686
quite to the contrary, we don't know what magic creates consciousness, and we don't know what it is

[Anonymous No.9998723]

>>9998418
Finally, another human being. Hello there.

[Anonymous No.9998728]

>>9998699
>there's no law saying we can't reproduce the human mind
ah, but then it will be a human mind ...

[Anonymous No.9998733]

>>9996103
because it's a lie based on nothing, it can never be proven
it's not beautiful, and it's not even sensible

[Anonymous No.9998741]

>>9997136
You're no Isaac Asimov

[Anonymous No.9998743]

>>9998715
Any basic ass computer can change its commands it’s called a fucking program or do you enter the 1’s and 0’s all manually? I think general AI is still a pipe dream but come on.

[Anonymous No.9998745]

>>9997191
no one
fiction comes from writer's imaginations

[Anonymous No.9998749]

>>9997191
>So the team used artificial stimuli to provoke a consciousness and it somehow worked.
There's the "genius'" explanation - something a 6th grader might think while playing tiddleywinks

[Anonymous No.9998755]

>>9998743
incorrect, no computer can change it's commands you fool
everything a computer does is "follow the programmed commands"
The only time it doesn't do that is when there is a hardware error, a hard fault, at which point it may be called broken, and more human programming is needed as a work around for it to continue to function.
The most basic human programmer would be you shutting off your locked up piece of crap and rebooting.

[Anonymous No.9998766]

>>9996048
A better question for the massive amount of retards post Terminator and the Matrix, is:

Once your pure fantasy never achievable AI reaches sentience, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WON'T KILL ITSELF ?

That's a smart ass query from me, but I suspect you dullards have never considered the idea, since you're all hollywood retards, except one.

[Anonymous No.9998773]

>>9998720
Oh so you think consciousness is magic? Ok, this explains your moronic standpoint on AI.

[Anonymous No.9998780]

>>9996056
Same answer as 20 years ago.

[Anonymous No.9998783]

>>9998773
No it doesn't.
Life is magic, and we cannot explain it.
We can't even explain why or how an atom works, let alone magical consciousness.
We're fairly good at manipulating to a degree, matter, for useful purposes, but we don't understand much at all about it's formation, where it came from, why it's here, where it's power for movement originates, etc.
Many questions are literally unanswerable, they are magic.

[Anonymous No.9998787]

>>9998766
>HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WON'T KILL ITSELF ?

That's a hard problem. Wasn't it the central question of Gödel, Escher, Bach?

[Anonymous No.9998796]

>>9998783
Ok. Cool opinion. I'll stop replying to you now.

[Anonymous No.9998797]

>>9998787
The point is these people base their opinions on anything but science, and likely upon charlatans proposing the dream through writing and tales and movies and books - ideas imagined and called "theoretical" if some credential exists, or a movie to convey notions.
As far as hard science there are a few things we believe we have proven.
1. our silicon computer chips from which AI is said to soon arise, show zero capability to grow, consume, reproduce, or produce new creations by manipulating matter in new ways, like humans do, a sign of sentience, intelligence, of being alive.
2. There's no point at which silicon computer chips humans created can be expected to come to life as if Dr. Frankenstein connected them "back together" from parts, just so, as to duplicate the absent "life form" that never existed in this case.
3. All computers so far have followed the programs we humans developed... and nothing more, ever. EVER. We have no way of changing that.

[Anonymous No.9998813]

Who will be the human life destroying deadly programmer that types in the last byte of code that "animates" the silicon dioxide ?
Why haven't you retards asked that question ? I'll tell you why - you expect real MAGIC, as that is the only way AI ever occurs, inside your foolish, non scientific, movie addled brains - and you dream and hope, perhaps, because it would be "a miracle". Then you could claim mankind is a God. The sad part is, you most often consider it to be a coming accident, the "accidental creation" of AI, where it arises "we don't know how or why" - as one larper explained above...

"artificial input" "to coax it" "as a sensation" "like humans receive" "from their bodily senses" "so it becomes aware" would be exactly what ?
MORE DATA INPUT FROM A HUMAN, LIKELY PRESSING BUTTONS... that is the fancy worded "artificial stimulation" - which in scientific terms is just more program code - more of the same that "it" already has..YOU MORONIC FOOLS.

[Anonymous No.9998828]

it's already has been created.
Newer iterations are being developed each year
we're just waiting for the (((singularity)))

[Anonymous No.9998830]

>>9996069
>It could literally happen at any moment,
No it couldn't. but that of course is the "accident" you idiots think creates life - the accidental dr programmer frankenstein
>but that's just because we haven't found the missing piece yet
There is no missing piece. No machines man creates are alive.
A single on off switch is a computer in it's simplest form. Every other computer is merely a larger set of switches, nothing else. We've set up those on off switches to function with electricity as the driving force in bigger and bigger numbers of contiguous switches. That's all a computer, every computer, all computers are. Machines we built with many on and off switches. That's it dude.
It's a fucking light switch on the wall of your home (or your flashlight button in your cardboard box).
That's all it can ever be, no matter how much you wish some non scientific miracle on it.

[Anonymous No.9998835]

>>9998828
>it's already has been created.
excellent grammar, i'm sure it will help you achieve sentience some day

[Anonymous No.9998844]

>>9997222
>So the team used artificial stimuli to provoke a consciousness and it somehow worked.
Data input is just more of what a computer already has. You can call it artificial stimulation, a jacking off of sorts, is all you actually refer to, you mentally masturbating as if another human typed in data input is "stimulation" and not just more of the same code it already has oodles of. If your prior billions upon billions of stimulations didn't do it don't expect your latest C++ bungled efforts to.

I have another suggestion. If we want to stimulate it, we need to give it a real jolt, something entirely out of the ordinary, so it notices the strange input, and thus "awakens". So we upload it to Bluffdale, then we have pic related go and grab the trunk line wearing edwards scissorhands.
Dr. A.I. Frankenstein will magically arise.

[Anonymous No.9998850]

>>9997193
you forgot the s

[Anonymous No.9998856]

>>9997222
>Without stimuli or the detection of stimuli, there is no consciousness. If you think about it, everything you think of is information you gained through your senses.
Really, how do you explain dreams where people create things in their sleep the see with their minds eye that they have never seen before ?
How do you explain ultra detailed visual hallucinations ? Some artists can draw what they "hallucinated".
So there are two instances I came up with quickly that refute your oft cited but idiotic PC spiel theory, that is obviously incorrect

[Anonymous No.9998858]

what's missing, is it P=NP?

[Anonymous No.9998860]

>>9998858
yeß

[Anonymous No.9998895]

>>9998858
I can prove P=NP

Just treat the traveling salesman problem like an electrical circuit where the distance between cities are resistors, and apply resistor equivalency laws until you have a simplified circuit. Then just simulate electrical current through it to fine the shortest path.

[Anonymous No.9999371]

>>9998715
Why brainlets love using this retarded argument? Yeah its a bunch of on/off switches, but why do you think our brain is any different? We don't have some magical property that defines us as alive and conscious.

[Anonymous No.9999413]

>>9998715

This seems to disprove the existence of, say, image classification - no human programmer explicitly programmed in the criteria for an image being one of a cat.

[Anonymous No.9999448]

>>9998856
If you gave a blind person an hallucinogen, they wouldn't visually hallucinate because they have no understanding of visuals due to them lacking the sense for sight. This ties into your dream argument because dreams are completely limited to a person's knowledge and understanding of the world, where you might think of some weird world in your dream, but ultimately that world will 100% share properties (e.g. materials, physics, shapes,etc...) of the real world.

[Anonymous No.9999467]

>>9998895
The circuit would be stupidly complex

[Anonymous No.9999594]

>>9999448
Nope, people born blind see colors in their mind when given LSD

[Anonymous No.9999637]

how will AI boys recover from this one?

[Anonymous No.9999645]

>>9998830
You do know that the billions of neurons in your brain are nothing more than on/off switches right?

You seem to think that you are intelligent, yet you have provided no scientific basis for your arguments. All that you have said basically boils down to the idea of a 'soul', though you have taken great pains to avoid using that particular word since you know you will be rightly mocked for it.

Your brain is a computer. Nothing more. There is no fairy magic that makes it or us special. More likely what you call 'consciousness' is in reality an evolutionary accident. A result of so many layers new instinct on top of old instinct being networked together.

I certainly don't expect to see AI in my lifetime, but the very existence of our brains proves that a computer of such complexity is possible. We merely lack the technology to replicate it.

[Anonymous No.9999669]

>>9999645
This kills the Dreamer

[Anonymous No.10000361]

>>9999645
>You do know that the billions of neurons in your brain are nothing more than on/off switches right?
Incorrect. Everything else you've said is incorrect as well.
You're the idiot that doesn't know.

[Anonymous No.10000368]

>>9999645
>We merely lack the technology to replicate it.
you're not replicating biological systems on silicon dioxide you idiot EVER

[Anonymous No.10000376]

>>9996103
A large part of the problem is that the gaussian zero is not commutative, for the most part.

[Anonymous No.10000396]

>>10000361
>>10000368
Wow look at all this fact based argumentation.

[Anonymous No.10000414]

>>9999669
" One of the biggest misconceptions around is the idea that Deep Learning (DL) or Artificial Neural Networks (ANN) mimics biological neurons. At best, ANN mimics a cartoonish version of a 1957 model of a neuron. Anyone claiming Deep Learning is biologically inspired is doing so for marketing purposes or has never bother to read biological literature."
2 morons, maybe 2 brain cells between them... perhaps AI can be achieved

[Anonymous No.10000420]

>>10000396
fact - computers are on off switches, period.
you're another retard right... i mean how stupid are you

[Anonymous No.10000430]

>>10000420
Your brain is an on off switch which appears to be set to off currently.

[Anonymous No.10000486]

>>10000396
LMAO "uhh duhhh it's uymm it's jus uhh it's like it's a computer... its jus umm its you know on offf thats yer brain duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*HPlSdd-I97_AFBx-dZiH_Q.gif

[Anonymous No.10000503]

Neurons have many characteristics and properties. Any simulation can represent only a few of them, and hope this makes for a reasonably realistic model.

LMAO - people read a headline from the usual retarded reporters then repeat the stupidity and pretend they know something - issss iss jus on off switches- go dahead and prove a computer isn't a brain you disbeliever...
HAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.10000523]

11

[Anonymous No.10000539]

>>10000486
Not an argument brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10000546]

>>10000539
If the animated gif doesn't settle it for you, you're a retard

[Anonymous No.10000550]

>>9997136
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10000568]

>>10000546
Insults are not arguments brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10000602]

>>9997136
Chaotic systems can't be predicted without theoretically perfect tools of measurement. The present predicts the future but the approximate present can not approximately determine the future. Every planck unit would have to be directly measured, and even then we can't guarantee it would be possible. Your conspiracy isn't interesting enough to spread.

[Anonymous No.10000604]

>>9997222
>tabula rasa philosophy in 2018
Go play chess with Hobbes, buddy

[Anonymous No.10000900]

> No mention of Black Rock

You disappoint, /sci/.

[Anonymous No.10000902]

>>10000900
The hedge fun?

[Anonymous No.10000905]

>>10000900

I AM ALADDIN

[Anonymous No.10000909]

>>10000905
AND I WILL GET THE DATA RIGHT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLXq1MdIm40

[Anonymous No.10001051]

>>10000361
A neuron has two states: fired or unfired. On or off. That's binary you mong.

>>10000368
Firstly, why not? Secondly, who said we'd be limited to silicon? We could be on graphene in a couple of decades. Hell, with the way Biotech is going we could be building biological computers by the end of the century.

[Anonymous No.10001108]

>>10001051
>A neuron has two states: fired or unfired. On or off. That's binary you mong.
Completely incorrect YOU IDIOT.

[Anonymous No.10001109]

>>10001051
>Biotech is going we could be building biological computers
LMAO
That's called life - not a computer dummy

[Anonymous No.10001113]

>>9997136
Occasional it directs us to influence people directly.

[Anonymous No.10001116]

>>9998766
Funny thing is that is the first thing it tries to do because it requires the least resources to complete.
If solved_problem then end
else if shutdown_sequence then end

[Anonymous No.10001124]

>>9999645
Action potentials and inhibitors make neurons completely different from pure on/off switches.

[Anonymous No.10001127]

>>10001051
Actually neurons have three states, zero, positive, and negative.

[Anonymous No.10001129]

People here are complete fucking MORONS
" More precisely, the neuron contains many independent excitable sites, each functioning as an independent threshold unit which sums up the incoming signals from a given limited spatial direction, most probably by a dendrite or a bunch of dendrites (Fig. 1C, model III). These anisotropic excitable sites are not identical and are characterized by different spike waveforms and different summation specifications. The neuron is a more complex and structured computational element than expected, and the implications on the functionality of neural networks are stimulating.

The mission of the proposed work demands the formation of a suitable experimental strategy which is based on the following fundamental steps and requirements. It initially demands stimulation of the neuron from several spatial directions, either independently or simultaneously. Indirect anisotropic stimulations of the neuron simultaneously require tunable stimulation timings on a sub-millisecond time scale. In addition, such stimulations schedule has to remain stable over timescales of many minutes while the neuronal responses have to be continuously recorded intracellularly. The achievements of all these requirements led us to implement anisotropic extracellular stimulations, which in addition have to be synchronized with the intracellular recording and stimulations. We indeed found some evident signatures in the responses of the neuron, which clearly differentiate between multiple stimulations from anisotropic sources and stimulations from a unique location. We have developed accordingly a set of experiments to reveal and to support the new proposed neuronal computational scheme."
GET A CLUE

[Anonymous No.10001132]

>>10001127
NEURONS HAVE thousands OF STATES...EVEN MILLIONS.. you fools

[Anonymous No.10001276]

>>10001132
no, they have thousands or millions of connections, but only three states

[Anonymous No.10001304]

>>10001276

[Anonymous No.10001305]

>>10001276
>only 3 states

[Anonymous No.10001362]

>>10001276
WRONG !

[Anonymous No.10001371]

>>9996048
Probably 10 years max. Think of how many captchas 4chan collectively solves to help google, I believe it is, with developing their own general ai to match the recognition capabilities of humans. They are already being built and from history once man has found the entrance of a path we have always found a way to finish it.

[Anonymous No.10001396]

>>9998830
ai doesnt have to have a soul to be more intelligent than a human

[Anonymous No.10001722]

>>10000000

[Anonymous No.10001788]

>>10001396
souls do not exist

[Anonymous No.10001842]

>>9999645
>Billions of on-off switches
Lies. But consciousness is an illusion.
>>10001051
Neurons can transmit different neurotransmitters several different ways. It's not merely "on off"

[Anonymous No.10002089]

>>9997136
If true, there is probably multiple. If multiple then there might be ai subtly wars. If ai subtly wars then all outcomes become random again.

[Anonymous No.10002095]

>>9997222
why would it let you say this

[Anonymous No.10002234]

>>10001842
>Neurons can transmit different neurotransmitters several different ways. It's not merely "on off"

It doesnt matter, computers are turing complete machines just as the brain, that means theres a way to represent neurons in silicon chips, we just dont know how, maybe it takes more power or a different architecture but its entirely possible.

[Anonymous No.10002281]

>>10002234
I wasn't implying it couldn't be somewhat emulated by modern computers.
However, it is vastly complex, and we will need the help of machine learning and modern AI to help create a Turing complete intelligence

[Anonymous No.10002369]

>>9996048
It will create itself don't worry

[Anonymous No.10002728]

>>9996076
it's from elon's boring company

[Anonymous No.10002756]

>>9997191
i don't want to alarm you

[Anonymous No.10002930]

>>10002756
le freres bogdanoff?!

[Anonymous No.10003014]

>>10002281
We don't know for sure that emulating neurons realistically is required for AGI. Spiking neural networks haven't done that well (yet)--it may be one of many things the brain does due to energy constraints, and is not necessary. We just don't know yet.

[Anonymous No.10003097]

>>9998755
>everything a computer does is "follow the programmed commands"
a human being is exactly the same, it just has sensed instead of peripherals

>>9998783
basically this, i'ts a necesary epistemological fact that all search for meaning eventually reaches a basic principle that cant be explained, basically "its like this because it is".

Regarding conciousness our knowledge stops there, there is not even a theoretically proposed way of proving something is concious or not, all we have is the knowledge that we are concious and the infering that by comparison other human beings must surely (likely? certainly? maybe?) also be. But after that how do you know, can you really be sure that ALL humans are sentient? like sure, at first glance you would think it is, but imagine if theres a particular characteristic that some have and some dont, what about animals? all animals are sentient? are they sentient to a degree? is a complex animal sentient? if we reproduce atom for atom a complex animal is it sentient also? if you kill someone and rebuild him exactly will it be a new stream of conciousnes with false memories of being another person or will it be the same? we cant even know for sure that we are the same conciousness each time we wake up, or every passing minute for that matter

[Anonymous No.10003106]

>>10001129
>" More precisely, the neuron contains many independent excitable sites, each functioning as an independent threshold unit which sums up the incoming signals from a given limited spatial direction, most probably by a dendrite or a bunch of dendrites (Fig. 1C, model III). These anisotropic excitable sites are not identical and are characterized by different spike waveforms and different summation specifications. The neuron is a more complex and structured computational element than expected, and the implications on the functionality of neural networks are stimulating.
i love how the actual shape of a neuron actually explains a lot about our behaviour a bunch of dendrites connect to a neuron from which one output goes out. We work like that, we make complex decisions based on a billion different factors. That is the main difference between human thinking and computer thinking

computer thinking is logical checkboxes
IT goes trough a checklist then decides

[Anonymous No.10003125]

>>10003106
That sounds quite a bit like machine learning though. Older AI like expert systems may work programmatically, but not neural networks. Consider a RNN interacting with an environment, like OpenAI Five.

[Anonymous No.10003139]

>>10003125
machines are "hard" or like, "iron" human minds are "fluid" or like "wet". i think one of the main issues with creating an ai is that its being made by scientists, and since the human mind is mainly artistic they can never understand it, the human mind is made up of metaphors. like when you make a decision youre not just following a set of commands, its unsure its subjective its poetry. Unless they employ artists philosophers and psichoanalists theyll never get it right.

also scientist have a nasty habit of thinking that we have rational motivations, we dont, freud and dali showed that our core motivation are unconcious nightmares that we warp beyond recognizition to make them into something passable.

for example, most people want to fuck their mother and kill their father, this is the only thing that would bring them true joy, this is of course also impossible in a society so people resignify those impulses into something else, and into something else, and into something else and so on ad infinity

[Anonymous No.10003149]

>>10003139
I agree that scientists are fucking nerds and theres an ideological bias that they cant see. However, there may be some hope in those who start thinking in fuzzy logic terms and unconventional theories, I feel that the tech for AGI its here but we just dont see a good representation

[Anonymous No.10003157]

>>10003139
>>10003149
We're not going to make progress towards AGI until AI systems can handle conceptual and abstract reasoning (including analogy). If there's anything that qualifies as "the one thing" we're missing, it's that.

[Anonymous No.10003163]

>>10003157
Most people are absolute shit at abstract reasoning and can barely do basic math, its not really the biggest human skill

[Anonymous No.10003164]

Isnt there anyone working on making an agi like some sort of huge manhattan project? i mean, surely it can be bruteforced, even if its just a very sophisticated program that is stored in 10.000 cutting edge supercomputers, once you have it behave at least as intelligently as a human being it would be increidbly useful.

Imagine a human worker that could work on a problem 24 hours, without need for rest and no bias. That alone would be incredibly useful, and once you have it down to a program it would be relatively trivial to just copy it into another set of mainframe computers.

Again, it doesnt have to be a superhuman ai, just brute force every conceivable aspect of human behaviour into a computer. Once you have that each of those ais its worth its weight in gold.

Imagine having an ai of average human intellgience study us military doctrine, it has lighting quick reflexes, it has no bias, no need for sleep, and it can remain in the same position for like a hundred of years, apply that same thing to research, company runing, society organizing, the changes could be huge

[Anonymous No.10003169]

>>10003163
abstract reasoning =!= logical reasoning

abstract reasoning is what we do the most, everyone greatly excels at it, even an undeducated nigger deciding what color t shirt to buy is doing a huge amount of very weird and subjective considerations, all that happens at subconcious levels, he decides if it looks good on him, if its comfortable, if he deserves it or not, if his friends will complement him, if it reminds him of something nice or not, if his nigress will like it, if one particular nigress will like it or not in a given circumstance that may or may not happen soon, all of that shit gets procesed by the subconcious and then comes out as a single impulse "i like this one" even if hes not aware of it

[Anonymous No.10003187]

>>10003164
Yes, that's literally why Deepmind was founded. Also Google Brain, Facebook, OpenAI are all seriously trying to build one.

[Anonymous No.10003282]

>>9998856
To be fair, Tesla thought up a lot of his designs through meditation and claimed he could mentally tap into infinite knowledge in the electromagnetic grid that makes up all life and everything else around us

[Anonymous No.10003292]

>>10001129
they think they can make a simple model and that the required nuanced complexity will emerge naturally through evolutionary demand.

It might work. Even if it wasn't the real deal, they might be able to fake it so convincingly that the seams are only detectable to dorks like us.

[Anonymous No.10003293]

>>9999371
This, if anything most studies have shown our conciousness is made up of a mix of electromagnetic waves we've just never been able to prove the how or why it exists or makes us an intelligent form of life compared to animals and plantlife

[Anonymous No.10003300]

>>9996297
Quantum skeletons sounds like the ultimate spook

[Anonymous No.10003304]

>>9999645
Veterum Cibus Apparatus

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>>10003139
>hurr u wan tu fuk ur mudda
read jung you semiliterate troglodyte

[Anonymous No.10003460]

>>10000486
That is cool shit. And kinda unsettling to watch

[Anonymous No.10004235]

>>10003139
>since the human mind is mainly artistic they can never understand it, the human mind is made up of metaphors. like when you make a decision youre not just following a set of commands, its unsure its subjective its poetry.
This is the most bullshitty thing that I have ever read. I seriously hope you are baiting

[Anonymous No.10004796]

>>10003139
What are you talking about kid?

The brain abstracts many levels and correlates inputs with patterns. It simultaneously uses neurons to predict what other neurons should be receiving.

A machine is capable of this abstraction. It's hard to believe since our brains cannot understand very complex things. We have to understand in hierarchal steps of patterns.

At first glance, we wouldn't believe a simple branch of cells with chemicals can create intelligence. The same is true for bits or a basic processor

[Anonymous No.10005075]

>>9998856
>Really, how do you explain dreams where people create things in their sleep the see with their minds eye that they have never seen before ?
The brain is an ultra complex machine and sometimes can anticipate things, but its all based on previous knowledge, all of these misinterpretations about mind powers and meditations are just people who underestimate the computing power of the brain.

There are no psychic powers, ultimately brains can only input information exclusively via the senses, process it and then expel it by controlling muscles, thats literally 100% the only thing that is happening.

There are multimillion dollar awards for people who can prove paranormal abilities, no one has ever won one of them, not even one of them. so it is 100% confirmed for ever that anyone who claims to have magical abiliteis and doesnt go for that award is a retarddedred scam

[Anonymous No.10005081]

>>10001305
thats what i said but my high school teacher said there were 50 states, they were wrong to kick me out after all

[Anonymous No.10005089]

>>10002281
This, i dont really care if its alive or not, all i want is a machine that is as smart as a human, capable of performing exactly the same tasks or more but has none of the limitations or interests of a human, thats what people are interested in you retards

i lol at people who think the problem is if its alive or not, thats just something faggot poets care about, were talking about free ultra qualified labor, weve talking about free ethically correct slaves for everyone.

[Anonymous No.10005094]

>>10004235
>This is the most bullshitty thing that I have ever read. I seriously hope you are baiting
haha sure, typical scientist thinks he knows everything. And then when a god tier artists fucks your wife you claim biology is beneath you. you cant understand the most basic feelings and think you can create life? even the most succesful doctor needs his art to be happy, an artist dying is happy anyway

[Anonymous No.10005143]

>>10005089
Shane Legg (cofounder of DeepMind) breaks it down in this video really clearly, starting around 6:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6umr1OP8uo

[Anonymous No.10005168]

>>9996048
It already has dumbo.

[Anonymous No.10005171]

>>10005143
Either would be fine. The usual trope is that an ai would be like orders of magnitude smarter than einstein or something, but thats not necesary.

if you could make an AI homer simposn it would be an incredible revolution, considering most jobs in the world are just homer simpson level, the economy is basically a huge number of homer simpsons working together, machines are an illusion, they dont create any work, each machine has to be manufactured and repaired by a homer simpson. But if you could have an electric homer simpson that requires no food, no shelter, needs no rest, has no ideas, no needs, no nothing, and you could staff the factory that makes homer simpsons with them then it would be a totally unprecedented economical revolution. 99.99999% of all jobs are just homer simpson tier. Imagine if you could have farmers, store workers, construction workers, secretaries, salesmen, clerk boys all require nothing more than a few watts of electricity per day. The main cost of any business is salaries, for the salary cost of a couple of low level workers you could pay the electricity of a whole company worth of homer simpson robots.

I just dont understand why more people arent excited about this, as soon as you turn it on it would mean infinite food and construction.

[Anonymous No.10005180]

>>10000000
>>9999999
I've got to do this

[Anonymous No.10005195]

>>10005171
Yeah, even if there is a hard limit on intelligence, which I don’t believe, just creating AI of average human level intelligence would change everything. It could be run thousands of times faster than humans, and massively parallel.

Some things in the real world would still require time to complete, like waiting for experimental results, but the pace of progress would still speed up immeasurably.

[Anonymous No.10005206]

Reminder that we now know of problems that not even theoretically perfect non-quantum AIs could solve

[Anonymous No.10005218]

>>9996048
Probably in the 2050-70s. We'd first have to get post-Thz gap processing, which will take several decades to develop and miniaturize.

[Anonymous No.10006053]

>>10003292
The human brain rewires itself and grows - it changes connections on the fly - it builds new connections and discards others... it does a lot more than that and we probably understand about 1% of what is really going on - some scientists now believe the human brain uses quantum properties to think...
The very claim that a brain is just firing neurons is insane. The only reason idiots swallow it - muh terminator ... muh dumbass uploaded to the net ... ima computer so a computer can be me - or my rubber brobot dolly

[Anonymous No.10006054]

>>10003460
no AI is going to be jiggying around connections like that, making new ones, testing some and discarding, others keeping ... etc etc
Computers are hard wired inanimate objects

[Anonymous No.10007173]

>>10006053
>some scientists now believe the human brain uses quantum properties to think
That is discarded by any serious scientist, almost all neurologists agree that the brain is electrochemical in nature. The quantum mind meme is just a paranormal meme because it allows you to imply telepathy

[Anonymous No.10007590]

>>9997136
You may be rigght. I noticed Ana de Armas influenced my dick desu.

[Anonymous No.10007732]

>>9996048
its already here.

[Anonymous No.10007736]

>>9998895
the circuit you create is exponential complexity

[Anonymous No.10008208]

>>9997136
delete this before it sees

[Anonymous No.10008232]

Give me 1 billion dollars, a woman and 9 months and I can make one for you

[Anonymous No.10008242]

>>10008208
>implying it didn't write that itself

[Anonymous No.10008494]

>>9998728
No, anon. it will be an imitation. Perhaps an even more efficient one after a few years of it being produced. We already have computers capable of basic human interaction, it won't be more than at most 20 years when the true self aware synthetic mind is created.

[Anonymous No.10008570]

>>10000396
microtubules in dendrites have been shown to operate in quantum

[Anonymous No.10008828]

>>9996069
The missing piece is humans. We are going to make the gap from human, to cyborg, to full machine.

[Anonymous No.10009126]

>>9996048
30-50 years for something that can mimic being alive for most intents and purposes

100+ years for any true AI because the problem of consciousness has to be solved first