PhD students lel

[Anonymous No.9995755]

Look at this duuude... Oh nononono.... HHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

https://www.quora.com/Is-a-PhD-really-worth-pursuing-How-many-PhD-students-can-really-get-%E2%80%98productive%E2%80%99-or-real-time-use-output-from-their-PhD-research/answer/Juan-Lu-5?share=60d0d105&srid=5NynB

Just get a masters you stupid kids

[Anonymous No.9995760]

>Masters in Applied Physics (coursewok)
>0*5 publications
>Get engineering job 2 weeks after graduating
mfw

[Anonymous No.9995792]

Honestly the only reason you should be studying for a PhD is to become a professor. And even that has a very low chance of happening. It also involves retarded factors like university politics and other shit. In my university there is a guy that has been doing postdocs for years, still not a lecturer.

[Anonymous No.9995818]

Do you get paid for doing a PHD where you live?

[Anonymous No.9996036]

>>9995818
you get a slave wage yes.

[Anonymous No.9996046]

>>9996036
a slave wage and free tuition, and $150k+ no credit check loans

[Anonymous No.9996126]

>>9996046
what country are you from

[Anonymous No.9996141]

>>9995792
his research was probably shit
a dude i know AND his wife both got professorships at the same university (top 5 in their field btw) at the same time

[Anonymous No.9996148]

>>9995755
What if your major requires a PHD?

[Anonymous No.9996167]

>>9996148
>your major requires a PHD
w-what major would that b-be

[Anonymous No.9996175]

>>9996167
Any sort of biology/Chem degree. If you want to work in pharma or agriculture and not be a beaker scrubber, you need a PhD

[Anonymous No.9996181]

>>9996167
Population Genetics. I don't want to go to school that long but it's the major I want.

[Anonymous No.9996192]

>>9996141
>his research was probably shit
in the world of publish or perish, what research ISN'T shit.

[Anonymous No.9996199]

>>9996181
how's the job market for population geneticists

[Anonymous No.9996213]

>>9996199
Really good. It's just that you need to get a PhD to get hired.

[Anonymous No.9996249]

>I was under suffering for a very long time bullies and abuses by my adviser. After doing research 5 years with him, besides I could not get the Ph.D. degree, they robbed all my researches results by killing and destroying any opportunities and efforts that I tried to publish my works on IEEE through manipulating their powerful influence in academia
>I left from America without one penny left in my pocket. They deprived everything of me. My research results, my money, my time, 7 years. I went to America for chasing a dream of a Ph.D. degree. It is not only the dream of myself but also of my family. I never went home in these 7 years, from 2010 Aug and 2017 July. All my time, my money, my energy, my family’s money, my family endeavor are in my studies to obtain that Ph.D. degree.

I admit this is kinda sad tho. This dude probably lost his mind already. He even have some conspiracy theories on why he was denied his PhD. Too long to read right now, I just skimmed it. I might read his full ramblings later.

[Anonymous No.9996398]

>>9995755
Not reading that shit but sounds like the guy had a shit advisor. This is a crucial mistake.

I don't regret my PhD at all. Literally the only downside is the opportunity cost of what I could have been making, and not only am I fine with that, I will probably earn it back over my career. I actually really miss being a grad student, it's such a comfy lifestyle with the exception of a few crunchtimes per year.

[Anonymous No.9996420]

>>9996148
>tfw you can have a bachelor or a master or a phd and easily get a job in my major
Feels good being applied

[Anonymous No.9996439]

>>9995755
Maybe the dude is schozophrenic and the whole situation is just really sad and no one is really equipped to handle it.

[Anonymous No.9996445]

>>9996420
applied what? maths? physics?

[Anonymous No.9996458]

>>9996249
Maybe it's the corporate culture in America. It's a hardcore country that says you either die or fly. Europe allows the average person to be something

[Anonymous No.9996468]

>>9996445
Applied math with heavy focus on stats and stochastic modelling

[Anonymous No.9996802]

>>9995755
>HHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Mom let the hyaena use her computer again.

[Anonymous No.9996809]

>>9996802
did you learn that insult from Disney channel cartoons?

[Anonymous No.9996833]

Juan Lu is a chick. The "Ms. Lu" should've been a massive fucking clue. You're right -- plenty of middle- and upper-management potential in this thread, and I'm not even kidding.

[Anonymous No.9996837]

>>9996833
P.S. Relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDDCeoVMwKQ

[Anonymous No.9996840]

>>9995755
>the school and my adviser killed my academic career by giving me two semesters unsatisfactory grade of research in a row. I paid a huge amount of the tuition fees and other fees in 5 years of Ph.D. program studies.

Maybe because the work was unsatisfactory? I'm sick of these entitled foreigners delivering garbage work and believing that they should still get good grades simply because they pay tuition.

>He tortures me by designing intentionally overloaded physical works. To erase their crimes, they deleted the related emails from my school email box.

I mean, really? We all fucking work 80 hours a week if we're serious about our research. The professors are competing against others too. We're a team and we're trying to beat others. It's a harsh reality, b


>[My adviser stole my papers and accused me of plagiarism]
I seriously doubt this. First of all his writing ability seems terrible I don't even believe , he is not the first author on any of those papers he posted. Secondly he should have ample proof such as lab journals and other emails of him working on the project. Why is none of this posted on his blog?

>finished grade 43 students homework in two days with the cooperation of his favorite student Won-jae Yi who will buy him gifts in festivals regularly.

I mean fuck I regularly have to grade 80+ students. The other TA not helping is a dick move, but we don't know if he didn't do other work on the course.

[Anonymous No.9996849]

>>9995755
>>9996840
>. He held my previous semester research credits without grading and give it a fail and also failed my consecutive semester when I insisted that I should graduate from school. My mother died during my study in IIT. My father is so tired, we had paid everything that we could. But my adviser cheated me again and again. He is so greedy and his desires of pulling teeth from my month are never stopping and getting satisfied. It has been two years since I came back to resume my Ph. D. program, but he shows no clues of will to let me go after I was suffering in poverty and experiencing very painful and extremely hard time.


Listen, that really sucks, but again paying tuition does not ensure you should graduate. I really do wish he would just find another job. If you're not being funded for your PhD you should not see it as "an opportunity".

>my work is far not enough to reach the graduation
Which is correct. She has no first authorship papers. It's a PhD, not a masters.


>Start over, what does that mean to me, another 5 years. I had been in America 7 years for this degree without going home even once.
Why the fuck are you taking this long to finish your PhD? What did you even do for that 7 years when the nett result is a large chunk of copy-pasting?


I checked the actual e-mail screenshots in the blog. He was accusing the student of SELF-plagiarism (copy-pasting from the Masters work) and plagiarism from the papers (on which Lu contributed, but is not first author). It seems that Lu did indeed do this based on the screenshots from the same blog where the student is trying to defend the plagiarism.

Self-plagiarism is still plagiarism.

This is a very tragic fate and Lu should've tried to get a normal job instead, but honestly didn't get fucked over by anyone as far as I can tell.

[Anonymous No.9996867]

>>9996175
I feel that biology and chem are the fields where people get abused the most.

The problem with the field is that there is a lot of grunt research to do, so professors who have a lot of postgrads tend to pull ahead easily. Postgrads get fucked over unless they do their own independent breakthrough research.

[Anonymous No.9996868]

>>9996181
>>9996199
>>9996213
Isn't that the field where the guy who contributed to the Nobel prize lost his grant, then his job after a few years and ended employed as a taxi driver before being rediscovered?

[Anonymous No.9996869]

>>9996398
>the guy had a shit advisor.
She didn't he was the head of the department and she was studying part time.

Which means she probably had little to no contact with him. In this kind of hands off case you really need to be self driven because the only determining factor in your success own productivity (which can be good or bad).

[Anonymous No.9996877]

>>9996439
>Maybe the dude is schozophrenic and the whole situation is just really sad and no one is really equipped to handle it.

Basically it is this. It's a very grey zone area and generally fucked up situation. He might even have told her to file the OTP and forgot about it. The plagiarism incidents are ambiguous and you both sides have very valid points. We also don't know how much of the work is her own because there appears to be another postgrad that worked on the same code.

That secretary bitch is covering her own ass. I side explicitly with Lu on that one, she wasn't trying to get her PhD approved prematurely, she doesn't know how many papers she needs etc. and the secretary marked it without following the proper bureaucracy.


The entire point of all this is that a real investigation would take years and require a lot of technical expertise. The problem is that in the mean time she is getting fucked over in every possible way. I hope she finds employment and resolves the issue by transfer her to another adviser so she could keep her paper count. If she has any will left at that point it will require at least one more paper, a conference paper or two and a new thesis which will take 2-3 years.

It's really sad.

[Anonymous No.9996882]

>>9995760
w..wait, that's a boy?

[Anonymous No.9996895]

>>9996458
thing is if you are poor but smart you have a far better chance in the EU/UK than in the US

[Anonymous No.9996926]

I knew of a couple who spend 5 years in the PhD program and had to leave with a masters. It seems to me that they should have been let go earlier, but the adviser was too nice and allowed them to continue thinking they'd shape up. Too bad, apparently, that didnt happen.

No one is entitled to a phd if you don't perform. It's not a bucket list degree.

[Anonymous No.9996927]

>>9996877
Damn I don't know how the US handle shit. Didn't know it was that bad... fuuuuarrkkk. Hope things gets better for her. Also I didnt know it was a girl. I thought Juan was a guys name lel. Suddenly I feel more sympathy knowing that. Goddamn I'm alone. I want a schizo gf so bad..

[Anonymous No.9996931]

>>9996868
nah that was douglas prasher and it was a completely different field

[Anonymous No.9996942]

>>9995755
im so glad im not in the US and i have a fully funded phd with a hard cap of 4 years to finish

[Anonymous No.9996947]

>>9996468
Same here, what industry do you plan on working in?

[Anonymous No.9996948]

>>9996868
Nobel fucking prize and gets unemployed. Thanks for convincing me not pursue academia or research. I'd rather be a lab monkey

[Anonymous No.9996949]

>>9995755
this is so sad. however you want to dice it. lot of good points itt. still so sad.

[Anonymous No.9996968]

>>9996849
The situation Ms Lu is currently in is probably my worst nightmare. 5 years of your life wasted. And to be asked to start over? I'd rather kill my self. Starting my PhD next year btw

[Anonymous No.9996970]

>>9996942
>hard cap of 4 years to finish
How quaint. Here in the 'States, we had a guy who was 19 years into his math PhD at Stanford before he said "fuck it" and murdered his advisor with a hammer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Streleski

[Anonymous No.9996974]

>>9995792
You need a phd in math physics chem and bio to get an entry level job

[Anonymous No.9996976]

>>9996942
what country is that and can a sandnigger apply for such programme with the funding and shit?

[Anonymous No.9996980]

>>9996849
You're allowed to plagiarize from your own work

[Anonymous No.9996987]

>>9996976
Yes. Probably Sweden

[Anonymous No.9996991]

>>9996970
Is it weird that I kinda agree with him. I would probably kill someone in half the time. 19 fuckin years man..

[Anonymous No.9997000]

>>9996976
in the UK and i think it's harder for non UK students in the EU and harder still for non EU students

[Anonymous No.9997002]

>>9996970
i know about that case, poor guy, honestly if i was american there is no way id be doing a phd

[Anonymous No.9997007]

>>9996991
The professor mocked his shiny Florsheim shoes as well, among other outrages:
http://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/streleski-theodore.htm

A legend of Stanford.

[Anonymous No.9997032]

>>9997007
what? he got released after 7 years?

[Anonymous No.9997034]

>>9996970
>In 1993 Streleski was turned down for a fare box repair position with the San Francisco Municipal Railway after his crime came to light.

ouch lmao, after all this shit he had to go through

[Anonymous No.9997043]

>>9997007
>I covered him with a clean garbage bag like a shroud to save the feelings of the janitor who would probably find him."

That was nice of him lol.

>The killer's surrender too was carefully planned. After taking a train to San Francisco, where he phoned his ex-wife's family to warn them that there might be "some legal problems," he returned to Palo Alto, had a beer and a slice of pizza and waited in a bus shelter reading a Western novel until 3 the next morning. Then he walked to the police station and turned himself in, handing over the bloodied hammer in a clear plastic bag.

Damn.. if I ever went berserk this is what I would do after I kill someone. What a legend

[Anonymous No.9997045]

>>9995755
>I was under suffering for a very long time bullies and abuses by my adviser. After doing research 5 years with him, besides I could not get the Ph.D. degree, they robbed all my researches results by killing and destroying any opportunities and efforts that I tried to publish my works on IEEE through manipulating their powerful influence in academia

>PhD level english

[Anonymous No.9997053]

>>9997007
got a link to the Phil Donahue episode they talk about?

[Anonymous No.9997056]

>>9997045
Chinks get PhDs just fine with bad English. I saw it happen once. He was competent but bad at English.

[Anonymous No.9997075]

>>9997007
> "My feeling for the jury is mellow," he says, "because they gave me the use of the word 'murderer' at the cheapest possible cost. I wanted that buzz word to play with. There are other students who have encountered the treatment I did, but who has ever heard of them? The publicity has been used as a weapon against Stanford. I think I got out of the murder what I wanted."
>"I killed for notoriety," he explains one more time. "If I kill again, it weakens my argument."
Mutha-fuckin-legend.. That was a great read. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.9997081]

>>9996840
>delivering garbage work and believing that they should still get good grades simply because they pay tuition.
it's literally not their fault, this is what they are told before they come and this is pretty much how it works in plenty of unis. Aside from corrupt universities there are snivelling worm academics who don't have the courage to say to a person's face "this work is nonsense, you aren't up to the standard, you just won't able to do research i'm afraid" they just kick the can down the road and pretend the guy's work makes sense and get their friend to review the phd. That's probably how their boss treats them as well

[Anonymous No.9997088]

>going in to research at all
I legitimately don't know how these people don't kill themselves. Are they just shit at the actual jobs their field is in? Some of the nursing and pharmacy PhD candidates I've met are the most insufferable cunts I've ever seen and I can't imagine them even doing a job properly.

[Anonymous No.9997092]

>lmao who needs formal education just go to a bootcamp and make 300k/nanosecond as codemonkey

[Anonymous No.9997102]

>>9995755
She's kinda cute...

[Anonymous No.9997106]

>>9997102
They still didn't give a shit about her

[Anonymous No.9997114]

>>9997102
h-how do we save this cute azn grill from being bullied my her advisor and administration.. fuckkkk I'm lonely...

[Anonymous No.9997124]

>>9997102
>>9997114
>man-jaw no-lips four eyed square head chinese peasant
>cute
niggas, lay off your books and get laid. I'd fuck the guy next to her before I'd touch that.

[Anonymous No.9997130]

>>9997124
>I'd fuck the guy next to her before I'd touch that.
and I believe you

[Anonymous No.9997783]

>>9997102
Since this thread is a garbage dump, post your first glance impression of the team. Here's mine:
>Beardy shorts
>Overly serious about research
> https://youtu.be/_uMEE7eaaUA?t=18s
>Pakistani Dr. Phil on the outside, evil villain on the inside.
>awkwardly anemic
>thinks he's the "cool guy" of the group but obviously isn't
>The actual cool guy of the group
>The unlikely hero of the story
>Resting rapist face

>>9996927
>I thought Juan was a guys name
You're thinking of the Spanish name that's pronounced with an h sound (hoo-an). I think "Juan Lu" is pronounced with a hard J sound (joo-an lu).

[Anonymous No.9997788]

>>9997102
God fucking damn that girl looks absolutely manlier than me. Her fucking Jaw could destroy me, and I fear that if I fucked her, my little penis would be destroyed by her testosterone filled vagina muscles. That girl is a man.

[Anonymous No.9997797]

>>9997088
"Life is good for only two things, discovering mathematics and teaching mathematics."
-Siméon-Denis Poisson

[Anonymous No.9997799]

>>9995755
Half of India is shocked.

[Anonymous No.9997809]

>>9997032
Guess the jury thought it was in the "heat of the moment" but the degree of planning suggested otherwise. Probably sympathized with his plight, and the legal system is a roll of the dice anyways and he came up hot instead of snake eyes.

[Anonymous No.9997833]

>>9997102
>>9997783
from the top left
>steve: token white guy, faps to blacked pron, has an mlp collection
>chang: 2nd generation asian-american, looks like he's doing graduate studies to get a promotion, has 2 kids studying law or medicine or both
>pradeep: top scholar in his village, faps to facebook pics of his female colleagues, smells like curry
> saniee: arab dr phil, faps to facebook pics of his collegues' kids, has 6 kids and faps to their pics too
>mehmet: former baker in a turkish town, faps to sheep pics on facebook, has a knife collection, no kids but keeps his ejaculate in mason jars under his bed
>misha: former russian mafia, faps to soviet propaganda on youtube, may or maynot killed before, 6 pairs of adidas shoes (all stolen)

from bottom left
>akira: human calculator, faps to the 10,000th digits of pi and above,can recite the entire script of the dark knight trilogy in at least 3 languages
>lu: schizo azn chick, faps to graduation pics of her holding a phd degree (photoshopped), fantasize about eating her groupmates flesh, talks to herself in incomprehensible language while writing a report
>kim: gay korean dude, faps to reflections of himself, can accurately determine your dick size, watches reality tv religiously

[Anonymous No.9997994]

>>9997797
this is what a math undergrad says to himself to cope with the fact that his degree is useless

[Anonymous No.9998010]

>>9996849
What? "Self-plagiarism" is not in the same league as plagiarism, because you are the legitimate author of the work. You can steal other people's work, but you can't steal your own. Any unethical aspects of it would only be that you harmed the journal or the school by publishing the same thing elsewhere, but that's a far cry from actually stealing content from someone else.

[Anonymous No.9998082]

>>9997994
this is what someone who is doing neither of the things life is good for tells to himself to cope.

[Anonymous No.9998092]

>chink
Who gives a shit?

[Anonymous No.9998099]

>>9997102
>math or cs american grad program
>it's full of pajeets and chinks
Why is this?

[Anonymous No.9998102]

>>9998092
It could happen to all of us man. I mean, just read of the 19 year Ph.D. student. It is of interest to know if these people were actual failures, or if there are just some professors who are out there to fuck you in the ass with a big black cock.

[Anonymous No.9998104]

>>9998099
Whitey can't compete. See US IMO team 2018.

[Anonymous No.9998111]

>>9997007
>Upon his release in 1985, he said, "I have no intention of killing again. On the other hand, I cannot predict the future."

[Anonymous No.9998124]

>>9998104
https://www.imo-official.org/year_reg_team.aspx?year=2018&code=USA

This stimulates my asian cock...

[Anonymous No.9998126]

>>9998124
It is true that Asian men are superior to white men when it comes to intellect but chill Ling Ling. Everyone knows there is a reason you need r/asianmasculinity.

[Anonymous No.9998145]

>>9998126
>tfw kpop is becoming popular with white thotties
>tfw feminist and libtard promoting the idea of "toxic masculinity"

[Anonymous No.9998153]

>>9998145
>tfw kpop is becoming popular with white thotties
This just means you are going to get a gf at 15, who will then dump you after Sarah from History 101 tells her about how Tyrone fucks her.
>tfw feminist and libtard promoting the idea of "toxic masculinity"
Kek you think you are going to win this one? I suggest you go talk to your local feminists and ask them about the men they are dating or fucking.

[Anonymous No.9998171]

>>9998153
So you be saying that asians get to fuck prime tight white pusspuss and black get to fuck the loose ones. Hmm.. so what does the whiteboi get?

[Anonymous No.9998177]

>>9998171
>So you be saying that asians get to fuck prime tight white pusspuss
Yes, I am saying that. But also I am saying that after that, you are getting no more pussy.

> so what does the whiteboi get?
A lifetime supply of onions, like they have always wanted. The EU just passed a law that says that you get food stamps specifically for onions mailed to you yearly after getting a vasectomy.

[Anonymous No.9998195]

>>9995755
This thread is actually on /sci/

[Anonymous No.9998201]

>>9998102
>It is of interest to know if these people were actual failures, or if there are just some professors who are out there to fuck you in the ass with a big black cock.
While bad advisors do exist, it's generally a case of either apathy or (less common) poor management skills. Advisors who are going to deliberately ruin your life are extremely rare.
And honestly, if you didn't talk with your potential advisor enough to realize he's a complete sociopath before you said
>please let me be your slave for 5 years
then you may not be a failure but you are certainly very stupid.

[Anonymous No.9998708]

>>9998082
>le life is for mathematics
how much of a fag can you get ?

[Anonymous No.9998713]

>>9998708
nice image to deflect criticism from your worthless and wrong opinion

t. spooky skellington

[Anonymous No.9998748]

>>9998713
>worthless and wrong opinion
nothing is more worthless than an undergrad that thinks le mathematics for lyfes. Oh wait.. unless you're a grad student.

[Anonymous No.9998754]

>>9995755
Translation: I paid for my degree and also paid some other foreigner to write my thesis for me and got caught.

[Anonymous No.9998756]

> get econ PhD
> work alongside business bachelors holders
> make 5% more than them

[Anonymous No.9998764]

>>9998756
OMEGALUL. At least your mom calls you Dr

[Anonymous No.9999783]

>>9997002
>honestly if i was american there is no way id be doing a phd
Of course you wouldn´t, since American academia doesn´t appreciate halfwit socialists who feel entitled to higher education. Do us all a favor by staying in your feudal backwaters.

[Anonymous No.9999894]

.999999999999999999999999 = 1
You’re all NPCs if you don’t realize this is the truth

[Anonymous No.10000045]

>>9996970
how the fuck did he only get 7 years?

[Anonymous No.10000052]

>>10000045
Because he already wasted 19 year of his life and didn't get a PhD

[Anonymous No.10000068]

>>10000052
>>10000045
fair amount of time for extinguishing that psychopath

[Anonymous No.10001667]

>>9996882
no cute girl. tsuruko on instagram

[Anonymous No.10002005]

>>10001667
>tsuruko
>girl
you cannot prove or disprove that she has a penis

[Anonymous No.10002047]

>>9995792
You also get one to work at national labs for research

[Anonymous No.10002331]

>>9997056
This. My chinese diff eq professor was straight out of grad school. He had typos in his emails pretty often but he was a good teacher... and a great friend.

[Anonymous No.10002418]

>>9995755
It's interesting how people like to blame their advisor for everything

[Anonymous No.10002450]

>>9995755
Oh nononono.... HHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[Anonymous No.10003147]

>>9998145

>tfw kpop is becoming popular with white thotties

lol no. it's mostly popular with brazilians and hijabi indonesians. some blaqs too.

[Anonymous No.10003183]

>>9995755
A lot of foreigners don't realize that the single most important factor for a PhD experience not sucking dick is to choose a compatible adviser. My adviser is a young dude like 34 and we're very good friends, hell the whole lab is very good friends, we have events outside of school like twice a month where we all get drunk. Even if I dont get a PhD and master out for some random reason, I honestly wouldnt feel I wasted my time at all even after 3 years, just because of the fucking fun ive been having.
Plus the undergrad poon

[Anonymous No.10003241]

>>10002450
HAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA....!!!