Getting graduate degree across the pond

[Anonymous No.9993430]

Any Americans here get a graduate degree in Europe or vice versa? I've been thinking about getting my masters among the europoors since I dont think I can land a funded position here and I don't want to get $30k to $50k in student loans.

Everyone is telling me that European degrees are valued less than American degrees but that seems like ass since I will most likely won't be getting into a top tier school here anyway. I'm thinking about Germany but some eastern European counties also look juicy since the usd conversion rate is very favorable. I hold citizenship in an EU country so that helps.
I have my bachelor's in math and I'm aiming to get a masters in applied math

[Anonymous No.9993436]

>>9993430
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[Anonymous No.9993470]

>>9993436
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[Anonymous No.9993645]

>>9993436
who hurt you?

[Anonymous No.9993683]

>>9993430
i've been thinking about this. i have 16 months of GI bill left over and i think it'd be cool to get my masters from some centuries old euro uni. is ecole polytechnique hard to get into?

[Anonymous No.9993693]

>>9993683
are graduate level classes in france taught in french and english

i'm more than confident about being able to live in a francophone country (from a linguistic point of view, ignoring any social problems that may or may not exist presently) but i don't think i could 100% understand complex scientific concepts in it

[Anonymous No.9993698]

>>9993693
french or english* maybe i should work on my english a bit, sorry

[Anonymous No.9993700]

>>9993693
>i don't think i could 100% understand complex scientific concepts in it

really? i'd think that would be the easy part. its all explained with math and diagrams.

[Anonymous No.9993704]

>>9993700
that's true, but as an example reading an article on wikipedia about a subject would take me maybe 2-3 times as long in french as in english without accounting for any words i'd have to google

it's possible, and if every anglophone in the world suddenly forgot english and spoke french, i could probably survive after some acclimation, but it's far from optimal for me personally

[Anonymous No.9993713]

>>9993693
Many graduate programs around Europe are taught in English luckily. That seems to be the defacto language so that let's people in France attract people internationally.

Most of them have their websites but I found Germany's to be the best designed https://www.daad.de/deutschland/studienangebote/international-programmes/en/

[Anonymous No.9993714]

>>9993713
>germans have the best organization
wow who woulda thunkit

Sadly if I go abroad it'd be to a francophone country (either QC or FR) so I don't have many options (outside of maybe Britain) because if I'm in a country i'd really, really prefer being able to communicate with the locals

that said you've inspired me to actually consider it, I'll stop asking you to spoonfeed me now !

[Anonymous No.9993715]

>>9993704
when i was in the Navy i spent a year in Japan and let me tell you, that whole "immersion" learning a language thing is real. i'm sure you'd be proficient enough by the end of your first semester.

i thought about Trinity College just because the language barrier wouldn't be as bad. Worst case scenario is i get denied entry to all of the ancient 7 and try to go to Aussie land.

[Anonymous No.9993720]

>>9993715
maybe, it's just that at my current level i can hold a pretty good conversation with a francophone who isn't jizzing slang so it's sort of a "fear of potential failure"

that said, from what I've heard about educational institutions in western countries (and from that other poster ITT) advanced classes are likely to be taught in the new lingua franca

[Anonymous No.9993732]

>>9993720
how have you been learning french? i've been using duo lingo for the past 2 months with okay results.

[Anonymous No.9993742]

>>9993732
high school forced me into it, then after high school ended i took a college french class on a chance (i was really iffy) and found that it wasn't so much the subject that i hated, just the teacher that absolutely ruined the classes for me the last two years (the first two years of class were designed for kids who weren't college bound, so i didn't learn much there)

all in all my level of fluency is probably embarrassing for being involved in the language for 6 years, but to my credit the first 4 of those years were, in some way, rendered unproductive and the last 2 of those years i only spent 3 months a year in a class

it was only this most recent summer that i started studying on my own, i went on a vacation to québec and started reading a lot of books (well, so far only 4 because it's been a hectic fucking summer, but so far i've read some camus, maupassant, sartre, etc.)

sorry for the blogpost but hey you asked

[Anonymous No.9993751]

>>9993742
lol, shit dude. i was just going to do 6 months of self learning and submit my application but you got 6 years? also, pick up pic related, i've yet to make it through the first 100 pages of any of his books yet, but i like it. any tips for learning french?

[Anonymous No.9993762]

>>9993751
the thing that made me able to think in french without translating my thoughts from english, i believe, was pseudo-immersion

most of my vidya is in french, most of my computer programs are in french, my phone is in french. i'm definitely kind of obsessive about french when it's something i'm not even gonna minor in haha (it'd be fun but I don't think i have enough room left in my schedule between now and graduation for it)

but the way i see it, you have a pretty good grasp on english that, by living in an anglophone country, you won't lose anytime soon--so why not expose yourself to as much french as possible? don't go overboard--don't set anything important to french, don't set anything relevant to your studies, career, data, etc. to french--but most other things

oh, also, something i could never do--figure out how to do the accent. i can pronounce the words and i put emphasis on the correct syllables, but fuck if you can't immediately identify me as an american

[Anonymous No.9993769]

>>9993762
Sounds like you're the ideal type of person to take english taught courses in a French speaking nation desu

[Anonymous No.9993770]

>>9993762
>but fuck if you can't immediately identify me as an american

i came to terms with this as soon as i heard what i sounded like speaking french. i'm just going to embrace it and be as american as possible if i somehow end up over there. cheers, anon.

[Anonymous No.9993772]

>>9993751
oh also i don't know how deep you are into duolingo but when reading literature a lot of it's gonna be passé simple \ imparfait instead of passé composé \ imparfait, and être (and to a much lesser extent avoir) are conjugated unintuitively

être -> "fus", je fus, tu fus, il fut, nous fûmes, vous fûtes, ils fussent

i.e. fu______ is être and should not be confused with fi_____ which is "faire"

avoir becomes "eu" like the participe passé (such as "j'ai eu")

j'eus, tu eus, il eût, nous eûmes, vous eûtes, ils eurent

learning that (it was relatively ignored in both the high school and college course track) transformed my french literature experience from "what the shit" to "ok that makes sense"

>>9993769
yeah i have a severe lack of confidence haha but i have practical evidence for me being able to communicate in french so it'd be a lot of fun to do

[Anonymous No.9993777]

>>9993772
I was thinking about going to Germany but I have zero German skills. I figured itd be easiest to learn just immersing yourself in the language. I'm thinking about another country where I do I have language skills though since then I can take it from solid conversational to hopefully near fluent

[Anonymous No.9993785]

>>9993777
i feel like the metropolitan areas of most western european countries will have a sizable english-speaking population that'll provide a soft safety net while you get your bearings, but that you'd need some degree of conversational knowledge to leave the city centers

that said i've heard consistently that german is much harder than french, but if you're more interested in germany i see no reason why you shouldn't focus on it. life is for many people long and if you're unwilling to spend a year on something that'll build for the rest of your life that seems silly

then again i don't know anything about your situation so that might be terrible advice

[Anonymous No.9993797]

>>9993713
>Most of them have their websites but I found Germany's to be the best designed https://www.daad.de/deutschland/studienangebote/international-programmes/en/

Wow, this is awesome. It doesn't only look clean and nice, but it's also functional. What really blew my mind, though, is that I didn't need to enable any cancerous third-party JavaScript for this website to work. Everything just fucking works out of the box. I never wanted to have sex with a website until now.

WTF? I love Deutschland now!

[Anonymous No.9993800]

>>9993785
Honesty I want to get the masters and come back home so learning the language isn't that big. It'd just suck without being able to talk to the locals.

The other place my conversational skills are good enough where I could attend lecture in that language and be fine but I can't write in it and I can barely read it. I feel like a degree in Germany is better respected in the USA than one in Eastern Europe though. If I don't get accepted and funding from the schools I want in the USA I'll probably go to the eastern European uni since I know the language and the living costs are dirt cheap (given I have money in usd)

[Anonymous No.9993804]

>>9993800
That seems like a reasonable idea but I have even less of an idea about Eastern European schools than Western so I can't really offer any useful feedback

I'm sure there's more than a few eastern schools that are equivalent to decent western ones, though

[Anonymous No.9993822]

You should look into Czech republic. I see a lot of foreigners here in Olomouc. Being American I imagine living would be dirt cheap for you here. I pay 4 bucks/day for dorm, toilets and showers are being cleaned everyday, wifi,... There is advanced technology and a lot of specialists in physical sciences, I don't know about other fields.

[Anonymous No.9993825]

>>9993822
>I pay 4 bucks/day for dorm, toilets and showers are being cleaned everyday, wifi
haha what

one of my ancestors from like 3 generations ago came from bohemia so maybe it's time i return to my heritage as a 1/32 czech (and 4 dollars / day)

how common are english speakers if you had to estimate?

[Anonymous No.9993850]

>>9993999

[Anonymous No.9993855]

>>9993430
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I can say some are physical porn elitists now. I never thought boomer women with Botox to be that attractive, but I miss the old days when it wasn't a fucking PT cruiser and miss piggy who I know isn't where she is suppose to be.

[Anonymous No.9993939]

>>9993430
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[Anonymous No.9994019]

>>9993430
>Everyone is telling me that European degrees are valued less than American degrees

Issue more lack of familiarity? Your degree will be more focussed if done in Europe.

[Anonymous No.9994079]

>>9993825
Every student speaks english, its now mandatory language in school. Older profs can speak english too since they have a lot of foreign collegues and need to read articles.

[Anonymous No.9994161]

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[Anonymous No.9994170]

>>9993855
Where disappointment and regret, collide.

[Anonymous No.9994352]

>>9993430
>Everyone is telling me that European degrees are valued less than American degrees
That has more to do with familiarity than quality of education. Europe's universities have higher standards on average but American employers aren't going to recognize any of them.
>I hold citizenship in an EU country so that helps.
You're very fortunate to be able to skip the work permit process. Establish some connections in the country you choose to study in so you don't have to return empty-handed.

[Anonymous No.9994393]

>>9993430
as far as I know American education system is kinda shit, Europe surely has better uni, go for it.
Also take a look at Italy, we have extremely great universities and... well, Italian food :)

[Anonymous No.9994463]

>>9993430
>Everyone is telling me that European degrees are valued less than American degrees
This is top tier bullshit. In general all European universities are great whereas America has a load of degree mills and shitty colleges. Furthermore if you're thinking western Europe the first year's American courseload will be covered in high school plus you won't have to take general education classes. You walk away with a low more knowledge and training.

[Anonymous No.9994750]

>>9993430
Do it, just make sure you pick a place Americans know by name. Like Heidelberg or Amsterdam. It's almost a guarantee you will get an job interview. Big corporations love to hire western European masters. Many European universities offer master courses in English. All students in Europe speak English.

[Anonymous No.9995396]

>>9993822
Nothing more cozy than the usd conversation rate in a country with a failing economy