Starting the technosphere from scratch.

[Anonymous No.9953486]

Today's technology is a mess. 200+ years of switching paradigms, building up infrastructure for one approach and then having to adapt the new tech to it, created a situation where:
>cameras have to abide by standards of color reproduction and framerates set half a century ago
>phones have to support outdated and unused bands and frequencies just to pass certification
>there's undocumented legacy code liying inside all of the major operating systems
>programming itself includes at least 5 tiers of obfuscation, no single person can see the whole picture of what's going on with soft-, firm- and hardware
>separate interfaces for everything
>the energy grids in all developed countries could only be updated to the modern theoretical perfection after being completely destroyed first
>99% of the energy in the grid is still produced by steam turbines
>transportation is inefficient due to conflicting standards and technologies spanning at least a century
>the roads and railroads are a fuckery on a global scale
>patents everywhere
>global banking system is actually a fuckload of different providers and new ones pop up every now and then.

Now, anon. The Great Solar Flare will certainly come in a few decades and fry all this shit with EMIs and Eddy currents, good riddance. A few more decades of a dark, messy post-apocalypse await us afterwards. But the printed books and theoretical knowledge won't go anywhere. We can rebuild, even if there'll be only 1/10th or even 1/100th of the 8 billion humans left alive after all that happens in the meanwhile.
The question is - which shit-tier trap intermediary technologies should we skip on the path to the Second Information Age? Will it even help the future engineers, designers and manufacturers?
I personally would like to nominate steam power in all of it's forms to the list of what has to die together with the modernity. ICE should get the TechnoRenaissance started on a small scale, and RTG+Solar combination should become the mainstay.

[Anonymous No.9953508]

>>9953486
I don't know about the other shit but we definitely need to wipe software clean and start over. It's horrible.

[Anonymous No.9953520]

>>9953508
What would you personally concentrate on? Designing HW in a way that low-level programming languages could be easy to comprehend? Making a unified environment, so that the same language can be efficiently used for all purposes? Getting rid of operating systems, and therefore demanding unification of all processors and peripherals?

[Anonymous No.9953566]

The major problem with software is that it is written with shit tier naming conventions, style, and documentation.

[Anonymous No.9953580]

>>9953486
Fuck you man steam turbines are freaking awesome

[Anonymous No.9953617]

I can definitely get on board with killing some forms of energy, energy transfer, storage and transmission.

I'm not an electrical engineer (chem eng by trade), so I can't articulate the argument against phasic AC current, but it seems to me like utilizing soft microgrids with DC current could be a YUGE step in the right direction. If for no other reason that I dont have to get confused as fuck by power factors when I'm trying to figure out how much power a fucking VFD is using.

Internal Combustion Engines (ICE's): we NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED to fucking kill kill kill kill crude oil distilled gasoline as the primary liquid transportation fuel. it's got sooo many fucking limitations in terms of environmental damage and thermodynamics. Something like a 50-70 % blend of bio-derived alcohols (ethanol, isobutanol etc) blended with the higher quality cuts of distilled petroleum products would seriously do us wonders.
>but-but muh EROEI
>but-but muh food vs fuel

these are non issues. If alcohol derived fuels were a 100% wash in terms of energy, environmental impact and impact on food, we would still come out about 20-30% ahead on energy and emissions, as well as slightly ahead ( < 10%) on food prices. And our fucking ICE's would be half the size they are, with almost twice the power density.


I loathe communism, but one concept that can and should be taken from them is district utilities. Just do it right, and on a market basis. You could even incorporate industrial waste heat for home use. I don't think it would be practical to have low pressure steam in homes, but you could certainly maintain a hot water source that could be utilized for cooking, showering and home heating etc. then have a parallel loop that piggy backs off the capital cost, and benefits from economies of scale of a cooling loop. Utilize this for in home cooling, refrigeration etc. Simultaneous water treatment, waste remediation and recycling in conjunction, but to a much higher degree.

[Anonymous No.9953629]

>>9953617
There is literally nothing wrong with phased AC power and only Edisonian stooges are pushing DC.

[Anonymous No.9953634]

>>9953629
Look. I'm not a wizard of the electric magic.

But you have to invert for some uses, you have phasic interference losses (power factor?), and intentionally pumping all over the place at extreme distances causes yuge losses, no?

maybe i'm just retarded. entirely possible desu

[Anonymous No.9953680]

>>9953486
Solar flares can't fry all electronics. Really the only thing that goes is the grid's electrical transformers. So only electrical distribution goes down. Things will probably look like third world countries for a bit. That is they have almost all the tech we have, but intermittant electrical power. Smart phones won't go away in this scenario. Smartphones, and hell most electronics in general, don't consume all that much energy and they have their own energy storage. So expect to see a lot of solar/wind smartphone charging stations. We might even see mesh networks pop up. We could also remove the threat of a solar flare entirely by installing a couple hundred grounding resistors to transformers in the the grid. This would completely sap away solar flare induced eddy currents. The US DOE is also setting up a strategic transformer reserve so that if lots of transformers get damaged we could reppace them fairly quickly.

>> steam power in all forms
steam power ain't going away. Especially since any solar flare that can fry a giant lump of metal, will kill all life on earth. Supercritical CO2 might be able to replace steam in some situations.
>> RTG
No

[Anonymous No.9953695]

>>9953617
We could totally switch to DC in most non-industrial applications, that's true; but that'd also require extensive use of microgrids to pull off, since long-distance transfer is the main reason behind use of AC today. Also, to be honest, it might break more shit than it fixes, if we dig deep enough.
ICEs should go and stay go for certain, but they would still be optimal for jumpstarting the emergent tech industry after the 'Wipe' OP suggests.
And, as someone living in a post-Soviet country, I really struggle with the idea of living in a cold-ish environment and NOT having a central heating and centralized hot water supply. In the urban areas far away from major rivers or nuclear powerplants, most of the electricity and hot water is generated in the local coal or gas powerplants.
On the other hand, we all know all too well what's that leading into - you either get centralized utilities and live in concrete human beehives, or live in a nice house of your own and keep the shit warm the way you want it.

[Anonymous No.9953707]

>>9953695
Wouldn't that shit cool off by the time it gets to you?

[Anonymous No.9953729]

>>9953707
Not really. Local CHP plant gets water to almost boil temperature and pumps it into well-insulated pipes running mostly underground. Nominal temperature of the water coming out of the tap is 65-75°C all year round, set by law (apart from a couple of weeks during summer when traditionally the supply gets shut down for maintenance) with deviations within ±3°C during the day. Water gets mostly disinfected at 70+ degrees, so there's that too.

[Anonymous No.9953742]

>>9953729
>two weeks without hot water, so I guess you're washing/showering cold
Achievements of communism.

[Anonymous No.9953749]

>>9953742
Eh, there's always a way around that.
Our parents took baths with water they boiled in kettles.
Today most people have small-ish (50-120 litres) tank-type water heaters in their apartments just for those couple of weeks and any situation when something goes wrong with the supply.

[Anonymous No.9953752]

>>9953749
>>9953742
Also,
>You pay next to nothing for having hot clean water in your tap and really warm apartment 50 weeks a year
>gotta suffer for 2 weeks a year without it

[Anonymous No.9953758]

>>9953749
>>9953752
That sounds quite reasonable and practical. You're still a damned commie though.

[Anonymous No.9953763]

>>9953629
No, he's right. AC power transmission is limited by the skin effect

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect

A DC power grid could run in gigavolts using the same amount lines as an AC grid operating in megavolts meaning less energy is lost to transmission.

Current power lines could be overhauled to be DC on the main grid with converters to 110v AC breaking off to power houses without too much disruption

[Anonymous No.9953835]

>>9953758
It wouldn't be Communist if it was under a market system. Then again from experience privatizing utilities like this never ends well.

[Anonymous No.9954664]

>>9953520
This might be too much, but I was thinking since desktop and laptops only need to do so much, maybe stuff like graphics and audio processing can directly be integrated into the processor and these high level functions can be used with single instructions. Maybe have the processor completely oriented around the desktop experience, have USB, hard drive interfaces, monitor interfaces and shit be a part of the processor. (No I'm not talking about an SOC. Those have regular cores just with peripherals too.) That way software could have a completely common platform to execute on without relying on the OS for abstraction

[Anonymous No.9955730]

>>9953680
and how do phones connect to everything?

[Anonymous No.9956011]

>>9955730
Diesel or solar powered cellphone towers that operate intermittently. One could also have the cellphones connect to each other in a mesh network.

[Anonymous No.9957965]

>>9953486
>no single person can see the whole picture of what's going on with soft-, firm- and hardware
What is this phenomena called - knowledge lack/capacity inadequacy/insufficient XP (etc)...?
How does one transcend this?
Especially in an increasingly complex world of increasingly complex objects/realms/domains (etc)...
Perhaps there is not inherent complexity increase with ascension/transcension, and technological progression, and epistemological sophistication effectiveness and efficiency increases.
Perhaps there is.

[Anonymous No.9957978]

>>9954664
Sounds like you want one standardized operating system that never changes and everyone uses.
Don't worry anon it'll happen eventually.

[Anonymous No.9959164]

>>9953508
Then support Redox-OS of 9Front. Both represent fresh starts.

[Anonymous No.9959185]

>>9953617
>we NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED to fucking kill kill kill kill

[Anonymous No.9959188]

"one size fits all" tech is backwards looking and rarely works. 100 years after railroads were invented, in 1930, the original creators of them lamented they didn't take a few more feet for wider gauges. Does it really matter? No it doesn't because the railroads operate just fine. If you're whining about OS bloat then get a tiny microprocessor and only run emacs to your DIY radio. Instead of phone calls send SSTV signals.

[Anonymous No.9959197]

>>the roads and railroads are a fuckery on a global scale

What exactly do you mean by this OP? America's railroads are more consolidated now than they ever have been, except maybe during WW1. As we speak remote controlled locomotives are already the standard, with computerized signalling (PTC) rapidly becoming standard. A single operator can control 10+ locomotives from one handheld beltpack, whereas ten years ago even the most basic train needed an opertator, a conductor, a fireman and two brakemen.

It's more efficient now than it ever has been in it's history.

[Anonymous No.9959640]

Does anyone here have any fairly recent military manuals (or torrent links or links) on restarting the industrial and/or technosphere (etc)?

[Anonymous No.9959957]

Bump.