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9920475 No.9920475 [Reply] [Original]

Brainlet here, is cancer unavoidable?
Like, the way I understand it, if somehow we manage to extend our life expectancy to let's say 500 years somehow, but we still dont have cure for cancer, at some point it will surely kill us, right? Cancer is just bound to happen given long enough time cos of random mutations, correct?

>> No.9921348

Bump

>> No.9921389

If you're discounting the possible intervention of future medical cures, then yes, cancer is pretty much inevitable if you live long enough. Some organisms are better at dealing with cancer than others on a per-cell longevity basis, like elephants are much more cancer resistant than us. Most old men will also have some form of prostate cancer but it's so slow growing it's not worth addressing because you'll likely die from something else first before that becomes a problem.

>> No.9921460

Brainlet here, are car accidents unavoidable?
Like, the way I understand it, if somehow we manage to extend our life expectancy to let's say 500 years somehow, but we still dont have safe cars, at some point an accident will surely kill us, right? Car accidents are just bound to happen given long enough time cos of bad drivers, correct?

>> No.9921474

>>9921460
honestly the analogy isnt terrible. Going 500 years without being involved in a car accident is highly improbable but possible, as is living 500 years without developing some sort of cancer. Well cancer will develop but the body would have to be very good at detecting and getting rid of it, which it generally is

>> No.9921488

>>9921474
Yeah, its a great analogy, that's why I made it.

>if we managed to extend our life expectancy but didn't cure this common cause of death, wouldn't a lot of people die of that cause of death?
yes

>> No.9921494

yep, pretty much. it only takes one cell and you're getting hit with radiation and chemical mutagens and just plain bad luck every second of every day

>> No.9921523

yes, people arent aware, f.e. even drinking huge amounts of water will increase the chance of you getting cancer

>> No.9922406

>>9921488
It really isnt

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>>9920475
Depends, can you extend your telomeres and keep all the cell functions in check?

Can you extend your maximum cellular lifespan and replace (mechanically or otherwise) the stem cells at key neuron locations?

Can you increase the amount of memory in your head by adding more brain cells artificially or reducing/compressing data to function?


If the answer is yes to any of these you are on your way to eternal life through "The Left Hand of God." except to cast this spell will take every last iota of strength you have. However the rewards is maybe multiverse or seeing the end of this universe. Your math will need to be perfect. Good luck.

>> No.9922702

How do we cure cancer, bros???

>> No.9922726
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9922726

Use proton lasers to kill of faulty cells in tandem with a low frequency scan of the entire body and a tracker table...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS590Xtq9M4

>> No.9922974

>>9922702
iust b urself ;)

>> No.9923192

>>9921474
another brainlet here

if cancer starts from some problem in cell division, then larger/taller people should be more at risk. more cells - more chance for things to go wrong - higher cancer rates. In a big enough sample this should be the case. but it is not. why?

>> No.9923590

>>9923192
It usually boils down to ratios. The bigger bodies actually can manage themselves as long as smaller ones if the exercise/mineral and energy requirements are met. In short.

It's a truck but it's still a vehicle.

>> No.9923621

You "get" cancer daily, but in nearly all instances your immune system is able to recognize and clear the cancer before it is even able to form a tumor, or the cancerous cells die because they're shit at not inducing apoptosis, necrosis, etc.

Being able to immunize to hot tumors is an ongoing topic of research. Developments in this field are, in my opinion, the turning the obvious yes to OP's question into a possible no.

>> No.9923701

>>9922702
insert more copies of the p54 gene into our cells

>> No.9923704

>>9923701
p53 friend.

>> No.9923705

>>9923192
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peto%27s_paradox

Bigger people are at a greater risk of cancer. All other things equal with healthy individuals, bigger people die earlier. You can't compare species, e.g. elephants mentioned earlier, but you can compare that within

>> No.9923709

>>9923704
my p53 mutated into the superior p54

>> No.9923712

>>9922702
lurk moar

>> No.9923919

>>9922702
Delete /pol/, /r9k/ and /s4s/

>> No.9924286

>>9923705
well shieeeet

better start catching whales for research

>> No.9924287

>>9920475
by the end of the century I bet cancer will be cured or will be a lot less of a problem.

>> No.9924311

>>9923919
delet all boards exept 242

>> No.9924313

>>9924311
s4s why cant i do anything right

>> No.9925427

>>9923919
jej

>> No.9925637

>>9923621
Or it's just a benign tumor like a mole or just a chunk of "stuff" in your soft tissue.

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9925732

>>9920475
The mutagenic chaos of the universe far outnumbers the mutagenic control we have as an entire species.

>> No.9926287

>>9925732
Pickle rick Xd

>> No.9926425

>>9920475
Cancer is one of the aspect of aging.
It's unlikely we'll ever prevent it from happening entirely.
What would be possible is diagnosis methods and treatments capable of dealing with cancers very early on, which would make it much, much easier to get rid of.

>> No.9927339

>>9926287
based