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Any STEM majors here regret their decision and are exiting the field?
>love geography, history, politics in highschool
>buy into STEM meme and Dad pressures me to become chemical engineer
>math too shit to be engineer, become chemistry
>suffer alone for 4 years of college, by the end have a gpa of 2.5
>job prospects include making paint for 30K annually
>currently looking for inside sales jobs in texas
Maybe one day I'll become a lawyer. But honestly I made a massive mistake not following my passion. I now feel completely lost in the world, having no goal, ambition, or plan. I wish I majored in history and rolled the dice in becoming a professor. I honestly believe that could've been a perfect job for me.

>> No.9919090

>>9919083
>job prospects include making paint for 30K annually
if you should have actually done something in college instead of spending four years collecting Ds wallowing in self-pity your job options would look a hell of a lot better

>> No.9919094

I love you buddy but you blew it.

>> No.9919095

>>9919083
you can still do it dude, there's no law that says your career is your college major. if you talk to successful professors, lawyers, etc., lots of them didn't follow a straight path to get where they ended up. just have the confidence to follow your instincts and work for your goals.

>> No.9919134

>>9919083
>love geography, history, politics in highschool
So OP loves Unemployment & SJWs.

Failing STEM or Graduating in Humanities will led you to Mc Donalds tier Jobs.
Unless you graduate from Ivy league tier Unis.

I recommend CS since it's the easiest STEM major, perfect for Brainlets.

>> No.9919171

>>9919083
I have a fantastic job on paper but I hate being in office so much I'm thinking about giving it all up. Going there is starting to make me suicidal. I see how many sunny days of my youth I've spent staring at a screen in a shitty office.
I'm seriously gonna try to kick around my business plans that are not too insane and self fundable.

If you're an engineering major and you think it's great because you're an introvert, you have yet to meet office culture. Most of you will end up in an office too.

>> No.9919233

>>9919171
lol, I'm ditching chemistry because I'd rather be in a nice, cozy office than in the factory sniffing paint and slowly losing my sense of smell

>> No.9919245

imagine being passionate about geography, history, and politics

>> No.9919279

>>9919245
History is interesting.

>> No.9919284
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9919284

Stop playing paradox games and grow up. Stem pays the bills
>>9919083
Also nice op pic btw

>> No.9919301

>be math fag
>start doing business intelligence/data analytics
>keep my math major but also get business inteligence major, business technology masyer
>90k minimum starting
suck my dick stemlets

>> No.9919307

>>9919301
Getting a math degree and teaching myself data analysis/R. How do I get the 90k

>> No.9919310

>>9919083
Gotta say, I can't relate to you. You fucked up and you're an idiot.

>> No.9919312

>>9919307
My moving to California and accepting an unreasonably high cost of living, while working more hours per week than you did in undergrad.

>> No.9919315

>>9919312
Sounds like a shit deal. Gonna stick to figuring out some niche to do consulting in and make bankeroni and cheese.

>> No.9919316

>>9919279
i get that, but imagine being passionate about geography

>> No.9919323

>>9919083
STEM are the new slaves to corporate Amerika. You are the highest educated in the physical sciences yet you make less than the fuck on the floor who manages the union labor. You make less than the scheduler and the business majors putting contracts together and the purchasing agents buying the overpriced details and assemblies from suppliers. As a senior STEM you are a fool. You have been forced to work so much unpaid overtime your wife has kids from another man that you never know about but you have raised. You have one or two ex wives. You pay for maintenance to your cars and homes because you have no time for anything but sleep and work. The pirates take and take because their country club fee's keep going up so you have to work harder, You see corruption and fraud to the gubmint but if you bring it up they slaughter you.
Go ahead. make corporate pirates executives more millions....be a STEM major. Fucking fools......took me a lifetime to understand I gave my life for nothing. Tens of thousands like me out there used up and thrown away as they recruit new fresh bodies and minds to use as slaves. Thinking of STEM? Go watch the movie FALLING DOWN with Michael Douglas. Would the last person laid off and leaving Seattle please turn off the lights.

>> No.9919328

>BS in CS
>MS in CS
>Starting PhD in Linguistics this fall

>> No.9919330

>>9919083
Microbiologist here, wanna move to archaeology.
JUST
U
S
T

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>>9919316
Back in highschool I could list the name of every single country in the entire world from the top of my head, as well as pin point it's location from a map. Nowadays I need to brush up on my skills...
>>9919330
Archaeology sounds fun, even if there's a lot of manual labor, it'd be a good place to find a waifu.
>>9919328
What are the job prospects in linguistics? What languages are you interested in?

>> No.9919360

>>9919134
You sound like a pretentious jackass with no appreciation for the outside world or the actual critical examination of your discipline. Kuhn and Popper are, at this moment, breaking our understanding of physics as their bodies have begun to spin without any outside force.

>> No.9919367

>>9919328
Comp Ling is nice!

>> No.9919370

why waste your life doing something you dont want to do? are you literally insects?

>> No.9919392

>>9919323
Someone please tell me this is bullshit...anyone....

>> No.9919405

>>9919315
>Bankeroni
This is why you are going to stay poor

>> No.9919421

You shouldn't really regret doing STEM. It's important to know at least one of the natural sciences before you die.

>> No.9919452

>>9919367
yh bruh and there's lot of QTs here
>>9919355
i only speak english lol. job prospects are pretty good because i can program ads to scam people into buying more shit

>> No.9919453

>>9919083
Yes. I have a mechanical engineering degree and the best offer I got over the last year of job searching was for $25 an hour with no benefits doing uttwrly braindead work and no hope for career advancement. Currently bailing out to become a codemonkey, and have five different companies trying to recruit me.

>> No.9919466 [DELETED] 

i love chem and wanted to do pure chem/synthesis for phd but i ended up in a program in which the project is very interdisciplinary and i have to learn a bunch of chem eng and material science bullshit and there very little synthesis

im actually looking forward to the job prospects in this regard because im doing something that several industries rely on as opposed to pure fucking synthesis of the fucking obscure molecules of a fucking sponge

STEM is working out for me pretty well so far, OP just totally blew it

>> No.9919837

>>9919405
Because I post retarded shit on mongolian basket weaving forums?

>> No.9919867

>>9919083
>But honestly I made a massive mistake not following my passion.
Well I mean following your passion doesn't work out either.

I ended up with several graduate degrees in math and engineering which led to me being unemployed and unable to pay my bills.

Grass is always greener.

>> No.9919874

>>9919307
>>9919312
105k is classified as "low income" in SF bay area.

95k is literal and official poverty.

>> No.9919886

>>9919095
I mean there is a law saying he can’t practice engineering in some fields without a PE, but yeah

>> No.9919895

>>9919453
>five different companies trying to recruit me
Buddy...

>> No.9919906

>>9919867
>several graduate degrees
>math and engineering
care to explain? This sounds more like you were being fickle

>> No.9919917

>>9919083
>>9919284
>>9919355
First off, gonna have to ask you to cool it with the hentai degeneracy. Secondly, I have a friend that also fell for the meme and majored in math. Took him six years to graduate (with a poor GPA, probably) and he ended up just working for his dad. I specifically remember him making fun of my philosophy degree. Guess who's laughing now? Not me. Because although I loved philosophy, I've only just realized what a shitshow academia is and how hard I'm going to have to work/network to make it. So the grass is always greener, whether or not you did what you loved. I'd still always advise someone to do what they love but don't fool yourself into thinking that life would've been dandy had you majored in history (which I minored in, lots of fun).

>> No.9919920

I buried some weed in a sealed ammo can at GPS N 32.93365 W 112.70340 if anyone wants it because I am unable to get a ride back to dig it up.

>> No.9919967

>>9919330
English major wanting to move to physics
But biology interests me too

>> No.9919992

>>9919083
you're a fucking dumbass foro forcing yourself to do something you aren't passionate nor talented in

>> No.9920030

>>9919083
>>math too shit to be engineer, become chemistry
>>suffer alone for 4 years of college, by the end have a gpa of 2.5
Sounds like you should've exited long ago, anon.

>> No.9920039

Finished mech engineering degree with 3.42 GPA. Been jobless for 2 years. Was a loser idiot who didn't get an internship.

Currently waiting on a reply from the kennedy space center for a job that works on the SLS and Orion. If I don't get this job then I'm giving up and joining Border Patrol. Spent the last 2 years getting fit as fuck so I'm ready for it and you need a 4 year degree with at least a 3.0 to join so it's not like my degree was a total waste.

>> No.9920055

>>9920039
Why not join Trump's space patrol, or it isn't a thing yet?

>> No.9920065

OP, just do an MBA at a nice uni and find a role in some industry giant.

>> No.9920075

Lads, I'll be honest with you, I got into EE because R&D seems nice but and fun. But in my country (argie) seems that the govt will end up outsourcing everything to the chinese by the time I'm able to contribute to something (and get $ in return ofc). So in the meantine I'd like to learn some fintech/quant meme skills, what knowledge/books/classes should I get/attend to, to do so?

Thanks.

>> No.9920079

>>9920055
I don't think that's established yet or I would be interested.

>> No.9920086

>>9919083
>Maybe one day I'll become a lawyer
Try the patent bar and become a patent attorney and make use of your existing degree. You can also see if you can get a job as a patent examiner, good job security and pay isn't too shabby.

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>>9920086
I was actually thinking about becoming a divorce attorney and to trying improve family law for men. That could be something that brings me real happiness, to make an improvement in the world.
I've decided for now though that I gonna focus on getting my sales job, then maybe consider going to law, because law school is a lot of debt, even if you do become a lawyer.
>>9920075
I had the chance to become an electrical engineer, now I wish I had become one.
>>9920065
An MBA? I would still have to get some job experience.

Lads! Do any of guys have any tips on getting a sales job? Especially when you don't have any experience? My resume mainly has shit for chemistry but I've done my best to market it for sales, but I've been struggling for 2 months to find a job. I've concluded that my best shot is to get a job in IT sales, they seem to be the only people eager to hire young people.
>>9919867
Yeah, but at least I wouldn't feel so lost in the world. Now I will forever live with this monkey on my back of what could've been. Plus I would've had a much happier college experience. I was literally depressed for 4 years because of chemistry.
>>9919466
I hate chemistry. But after learning it for 4 years a part of me sort of wishes it could still make use of what I've learned. Sometimes I think about getting a master's degree in material engineering, the job prospects there seem nice and it looks like an interesting field.
>>9919421
The only happy thing about majoring in chemistry was that it truly challenged me. In my final senior year, I essentially had zero chemistry classes, only humanities classes and one low level fermentation class, and that was honestly one of the most boring semesters ever, even though the material I was learning was very interesting.

>> No.9920386

>>9919360
Kuhn's a fucking hack that couldn't explain himself even at gunpoint.

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9920393

>>9919920
What if it's a trap though

>> No.9920397

>>9919083
>Maybe one day I'll become a lawyer.
make sure you actually go through law school, don't just do the patent attorney thing

>> No.9920506

>>9920393
Anon, it's a BOMB.

>> No.9921541

>>9919134
>I recommend CS since it's the easiest STEM major, perfect for Brainlets.

CS is also the highest paying out of school - if you don't go to a shit school or can code gud, the most relaxed work environments, and the largest end game salaries.

So I agree, take the path of least resistance :^)

>> No.9921691

>>9921541
Alternatively, you could also do academia for CS on high impact topics for high impact journals. Complexity theory to examine quantum gravity through black holes is a really interesting topic.

>> No.9921704
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9921704

>>9919083
i read that as stemsexit.

>> No.9921742

>>9921541
If you don't mind sitting at a desk all day. That sounds like hell IMO

>> No.9921769

>>9919452
>job prospects are pretty good because i can program ads to scam people into buying more shit
Not only is this a retarded and scummy idea, but your English is awful. You gave up a solid job in comp sci to pursue your dream of "scamming people into buying more shit"? Just end it already

>> No.9921779

>>9921769
lmfao i didn't give up shit, lmfao. i still have two degrees in CS. my dream is to have shitloads of money, idgaf what i do to get it lmfao. if it makes you so butthurt just get smarter so i can't scam u lmfao

>> No.9921864

>>9921742
For large design and science projects, it's mostly being on a whiteboard, sending emails, making a few calls, and then implementing.

>> No.9921983

>>9919083
post more panties

>> No.9921991

>>9919920
>go all the way to bumfuck nowhere arizona
>just for some fucking weed
>when i could literally buy some down the street

>> No.9921999

>>9919837
It's a peruvian pickle pruning posterium

>> No.9922010

>>9919906
Not really. I did an undergrad in chemical engineering, then a masters in cheme again and I did my PhD in Applied Mathematics working on the same same problem as my masters project, but more generalized and abstract.

It's not that uncommon, Von Neumann himself had a similar background (but far superior).

Funny thing is I did at every point want to study something more pure, but I thought that applied math would get me a position doing software algorithm development. There are jobs like that, but I haven't heard back from any of the companies I really wanted to work for.

>>9920307
>Yeah, but at least I wouldn't feel so lost in the world. Now I will forever live with this monkey on my back of what could've been. Plus I would've had a much happier college experience. I was literally depressed for 4 years because of chemistry.

Honestly I think your confusion and anxiety also stems from the fact that you failed ChemE. Most dropouts have this kind of depression and they say they failed because they aren't "naturally good at math" or whatever, but it's usually more because they were lazy and never realized how much work it took to graduate in engineering. So instead they think they are just stupid. I don't think you would've done better in the arts. You would probably still have graduated with a GPA below 3 because you would've become even lazier to skimp through your degree and watched more Anime or whatever.

The thing you need to realize is that you need to work hard for your happiness. When you become really good at something (anything) by working hard enough it will turn into your passion.

Material engineering is oversaturated though, don't go that route.

>> No.9922027

>>9922010
I feel for you; I want to do some algorithm work in the industry as well. I'm only an undergrad double major in math and CS, so I can't give you any advice. At the end of the day though, my favorite subjects are on the intersection of CS theory and physics, so I think I'll be studying quantum information through theoretical CS so I can do more stuff in physics. This sort flies in the face of my industry interests, so who knows where I'll be in the future.

I'm honestly unsure as to what I should do. I don't know if either of my dreams are gonna end up biting me in the ass later.

>> No.9922034

>>9922027
Meh Anon it will work out. Software dev is a massively growing job market.

We might not get to do STEM, but I'm not going to cry over six figures and being forced to live on the West coast.

>> No.9922038

>>9921779
Lmfao coping lmfao much lmfao

>> No.9922041

>>9922034
I would say that algorithms, quantum computation, etc. are definitely STEM. I think that as long as you're willing to grit your teeth and keep on moving forward, you can really do it. It's what keeps me going forward, and it at least has gotten me so far

>> No.9922050

>>9919083
>buy into the college meme
There's no point in regrets even though we all have them since we can't go back in time. Time isn't even real because the past and future is imaginary and both are inside your head. I would take it one day at a time and slowly plan out what you want to do. You don't have to rush.

>> No.9922069

why the anime butt though

>> No.9922103

>>9922038
>i feel insecure because someone uses common internet chat abbreviations
still think this place is your sekrit club?

>> No.9922134

>study biochemistry
>realize you need to network and get student jobs while being a student to get anywhere
>start bioinformatics graduate degree
I'm too autistic to network, but now that I can code, i.e. now that I actually have tangibly useful skills, I'm probably gonna end up making it after I graduate.

>> No.9922150

>>9919083
>go to CS because I like programming and math
>love it

>like X
>study Y
>STEM is bad
You are a brainlet.

>>9919134
If he doesn't like programming, he won't be any good at CS. At best he will be code monkey in corporation.
To actually make good money and be good you have to do tons of things in your own, learn new technologies, take part in open source projects etc. Just having a CS degree is worthless.

>> No.9922154

>>9921704
>i read that as stemsexit.
Stem + EXit = SEX?

>> No.9922343

>>9919083
I'm the same as OP. Except I'm on my 2nd year of college. Failing every other subject, can't even bother trying to study anymore, not that I studied seriously anyway considering I'm such a scatterbrained undisciplined fuck myself.
My favorite subjects in HS were History and Geography, but I loathe the disgusting SJW environments these universities tend to breed, so I steered far away from Humanities. I also have a vocational degree in IT so I can do basic programming, network and maintenance work, but I'm not sure if I would enjoy the desk work in the case of the first two.

>> No.9922350

>>9919316
What's the problem about liking Geography? Topography/Geology, Geopolitics, International Relations and Trade are fascinating topics by themselves.

>> No.9922429

>>9919392
It's not bullshit. But hey 90k starting....

>> No.9922547

>>9919323
Yes, goy, keep borrowing money from our banks to make payments on that brand new Lexus SUV because the Joneses next door just bought a BMW 3 Series sedan, even though the car you had before could last for the next 4 years at least. Hey, maybe you should buy another one for your life so she can carry 'your' children to football practice. *wink* *wink*

Yes goy, keep burdening yourself with mortgage loans for a cardboard drywall house in some suburb in Bumfuckistan county or a 270 sqft apartment in a city full of immigrants and hipsters.

Yes goy, keep treating your boss and coworkers as family, because you would rather spend time with them than your dysfunctional family, squandering whatever little bargaining power you had as an experienced worker.

Yes goy, keep taking all of these hours of unpaid overtime because you can't fathom falling behind in the rat race, because you ABSOLUTELY can't afford to hurt your boss's fee-fees and lose your job in the process, or else you'll default on the massive debt you've accreted throughout the years.

What's wrong goy? Feeling sick? Can't sleep anymore? Here are a prescription for some sleeping pills and painkillers. Oh, and here's a $5000 bill for the visit, make sure you won't OD on them until you pay your obligations!

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>>9922069
>>9921983
>>9922343
Yes, the only thing that would draw me back from study what I liked, could've been the possibility of SJW propaganda. However it doesn't appear to exist in history, or at least not in upper level classes. They only existed in an English class I took, and an Anthropology class I took (both very heavy propaganda, we fucking learned about "GamerGate" and the evil Sargon of Akkad in English!) My Anthropology teacher actually was vehemently anti-Trump through the election, was in total panic mode when he won, and talked shit about Otto Warmbier saying he deserved what he got and got fired from the university.
The English classes I took in college were vastly inferior to the English classes I took in highschool.

>> No.9922580

>>9922568
yes but what's the thing with the anime butt

>> No.9922599

im just here for the anime grills tbqh

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>>9922580
To attract attention, come on man! Aren't you a scientist? Shouldn't you know this?

>> No.9922642

>>9922150
>STEM is bad
He never said this you literal brainlet

>> No.9922649

>>9919083
Yeah, Used to want to be a researcher one day, eventually dropped out of STEM because of boring ass labwork, endless ladder to the serious work, low prospective wages and autistic classmates. Now I just do it as a hobby, making stuff at home etc.

>> No.9922784

>>9922350
It's a high-school subject not a real career.

Geophysics is a real career, something that requires a lot of physics.

>Topography/Geology, Geopolitics, International Relations and Trade are fascinating topics by themselves.
Maybe they are if you haven't studied many advanced topics in your life.

>> No.9922791

>>9922784
Then the answer is to study the closest adjacent field that is still somewhat profitable, do well, and then study topography/geology, etc. in your free time (if they are so easy as you claim). The thing is that if you're committed enough, your degree breaks you into a number of fields.

>> No.9922799

>>9919392
Let me decompose his post for you.

>>9919323
>STEM are the new slaves to corporate Amerika.
This is true in many ways. But it's not like anyone has a choice in the matter.
>You are the highest educated in the physical sciences yet you make less than the fuck on the floor who manages the union labor.
Your managers are usually tech managers who are senior company employees that have STEM degrees themselves. This might not be true in shitty companies and banks.
>You make less than the scheduler and the business majors putting contracts together and the purchasing agents buying the overpriced details and assemblies from suppliers.
Scheduling is done by engineers. The entire field of systems engineering is scheduling. Business majors in the same position do not get paid half as much as industrial engineers.
> As a senior STEM you are a fool. You have been forced to work so much unpaid overtime your wife has kids from another man that you never know about but you have raised.
Getting cucked has nothing to do with your career. Engineers work far fewer hours than say medicine. Physics and engineering is probably the highest paid job per hour.
>You...slaughter you.
Pirates?
>Go ahead. make corporate pirates executives more millions....be a STEM major.
These people don't "make" money, they control old money and its flow. If you're not born into it you're unlikely to get venture capital regardless of what you study.
>Fucking fools......took me a lifetime to understand I gave my life for nothing. Tens of thousands like me out there used up and thrown away as they recruit new fresh bodies and minds to use as slaves. Thinking of STEM? Go watch the movie FALLING DOWN with Michael Douglas. Would the last person laid off and leaving Seattle please turn off the lights.
STEM doesn't have job security, this is true. You will often need to find creative ways to make money. A lot of the time this money won't be good. Such is life. It's hard for everyone.

>> No.9922825

>>9922791
>Then the answer is to study the closest adjacent field that is still somewhat profitable, do well,
No, see, this is exactly what's wrong with modern education and why so many people end up depressed.

A tertiary education doesn't prepare you for a career. A trade school does. You go to a fucking trade school if you "just want a job" and an income better than you can get with a high-school education. University degrees are more suited to people who can strike it out on their own or if you have a professional degree in mind (law, engineering, medicine; every other degree does NOT lead to a professional degree).

>and then study topography/geology, etc. in your free time (if they are so easy as you claim).
What the fuck does that even mean? You learned how topography works in high-school, there is not more to learn, just case specific applications. Same with geology. Modern geologists as a career has been entirely replaced by geophysics. Someone with a pure physics or petro engineering degree is more likely to get a high paying job than someone who studied the superfluous and largely historical aspects of the field.

>The thing is that if you're committed enough, your degree breaks you into a number of fields.
Yes, and it also doesn't apply to any field at all. Having knowledge in something doesn't people are willing to employ you for it.

>"Hey I can totally be a surgeon, trust me I aced Biology II, 300k pls"
>"Go away."

>> No.9922898

>>9922825
A trade school does give you skills to become immediately employed, yes. These topics mentioned earlier are for mostly academic and research oriented careers. The target workplace are labs across the country (or the world even). In that regard, getting an academic degree with research experience is fine. What I'm saying is that you should study what you like on the side, just for fun.

I'm not claiming anyone can be a surgeon just out of nowhere. But consider that pre-med only has a small list of required classes, and you can do whatever major you want. Being a surgeon takes years upon years of schooling.

I'm talking about, say, a PhD. If you get a PhD in a mathematical science and want to travel to another field, you pick some interdisciplinary postdocs and collaborations. You slowly inch your way. Eventually, you'll study target field. This is how a lot of people in math do physics and CS later. This is how people in quantum computation end up in quantum information and then different physics. The list goes on. I double majored in math and CS. I got everything from algorithm work, to embedded solutions, to working alongside engineering teams on big projects

>> No.9922911

>>9922898
>These topics mentioned earlier are for mostly academic and research oriented careers
These are oversaturated to the point of non-existence.

>What I'm saying is that you should study what you like on the side, just for fun.
Who doesn't do this anyway though? And tradesman can study too. It's just a day job.

>> No.9922913

>>9922898
Anyway, I (>>9922911) agree with you Anon. Sorry should've added that.

>> No.9923997

>>9920307
>thinking about becoming a divorce attorney and to trying improve family law for men
you wouldnt be hired as an activist lawyer likely

>> No.9924001

>>9922134
>bioinformatics graduate degree
you dont even realize how based this is

>> No.9924209

STEMEXIT is just code for brainlet. You couldn't figure out how to do a Laplace transform because you're a retarded 90 IQ normie who snapchats in class all lecture, so you treat an entire branch of study like sour grapes.

>> No.9924433

>>9919134
Your aggressive rhetoric might lead someone to actually adopt your sheltered beliefs, please contain yourself when posting about matters you have no knowledge about

>> No.9924455

>>9924209
You seem like you're good at making up imaginary scenarios even if they're just products of some sheltered dialectical process you go through when you're lying in bed at night, have you thought about going for a literary degree yourself?