/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.991757]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37271857/ns/us_news-life/?GT1=43001

>AUSTIN, Texas - The Texas State Board of Education adopted a social studies and history curriculum Friday that amends or waters down the teaching of the civil rights movement, religious freedoms, America's relationship with the U.N. and hundreds of other items.

>The new standards were adopted after a final showdown by two 9-5 votes along party lines, after Democrats' and moderate Republicans' efforts to delay a final vote failed.

>The ideological debate over the guidelines, which drew intense scrutiny beyond Texas, will be used to determine what important political events and figures some 4.8 million students will learn about for the next decade.

[Anonymous No.991770]

America. First-world economy, third-world society.

[Anonymous No.991779]

Haha, I'm moving to Canada next year. I don't give a fuck about this country anymore.

[Anonymous No.991780]

[Anonymous No.991783]

>>991770

Eighth-world education.

[Anonymous No.991792]

God damn it, why can't that state just secede already?

[Anonymous No.991799]

/headdesk

[Anonymous No.991808]

Texas, I am disappoint.

[Anonymous No.991810]

I'm really tired of Glenn Beck and company who are cherry picking history to support their ideologies. They brag about the constitution but can't be bothered to read the fucking first line of the first amendment and notice how it establishes that the US is NOT a Christian, or religious nation. Then they forget how progressive the founding fathers were in the context of their time. They think taxes are unconstitutional and pointless despite it being clearly written that the US has the right to tax its citizens.

It's like I'm taking crazy pills.

[Anonymous No.991823]

>>991810
>It's like I'm taking crazy pills.
It's like THEY'RE taking crazy pills.

[Anonymous No.991827]

>>991823
Well, there is Limbaugh.

[Anonymous No.991834]

What would Jesus think of them :D?

I wish something massive could happen. Maybe all the gun nuts will try over powering the govn't or another hurricane can hit Texas not Louisiana.

[Anonymous No.991836]

I find this comforting. To see Texas acting in this way, is confirmation that everything is normal.

[Anonymous No.991847]

>>991823

In Zoolander, Mugato says "It's like I'm taking crazy pills" because Derek's popular looks are all exactly the same and yet nobody notices. So the phrase, to me, communicates the cray feeling of being the only sane person in an insane world.

[Anonymous No.991848]

>>991757
>They also rejected language to modernize the classification of historic periods to B.C.E. and C.E. from the traditional B.C. and A.D.

faceplam.jpeg

[Anonymous No.991851]

Oh Texas, you so detrimental to out entire society as a whole and indeed the fate of future generations.

[Anonymous No.991865]

>america teaching its children that a 230 year old document is sacred
I hate living here.

[Anonymous No.991870]

Do you have a list regarding the specific changes to be made? Your link contained a few tidbits, some of which I actually agree with: referring to the U.S. as a constitutional republic rather than a democratic republic, and requiring students to examine the abandonment of the gold standard in relation to the falling value of the US dollar.

[Anonymous No.991880]

When I saw the first part about how the UN is anti freedom I was all like fuck yeah! But then it went to shit.
>>991851
Texas is actually a pretty cool place, and quite important as far as this country goes, and really as far as the world goes.

[Anonymous No.991882]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/21/texas.textbook.vote/index.html?hpt=T3

Here's a better link.

[Anonymous No.991890]

>>991880
And also, AFAIK the slave trade already is also referred to as the triangle trade, at least it was when I was in school.... In Texas.

[Anonymous No.991895]

>>991865
Since when does THAT get taught?

[Anonymous No.991905]

>>991880
>the UN is anti freedom
lol

[Anonymous No.991907]

I live here. Suprisingly, most people keep their opinions and beliefs no matter how right or how ass backwards to themselves. So it's meh. Also I can speak from experience that kids don't really remember the shit they learned in history class especially in a public school in texas.

[Anonymous No.991908]

>>991882
Thanks for that, I first read about it on the BBC.. Their article was quite skewed.

[Anonymous No.991925]

You know, this isn't really that bad. We can swallow it. I think what they're doing is getting us exhausted on outrage on something relatively small, so later on when they try a more dramatic move, news outlets won't pick it up, because we're tapped out on that topic for a while. Same reason the first earthquake or celeb death in a while is big news, but later ones, if they happen right afterwards, aren't as reported on.

[Anonymous No.991928]

It is interesting that the state that so clearly goes against so many of the nations progressive trends has surpassed California as the leading economy and has made tremendous leaps and bounds in the pursuit of renewable energy. Also, few states can match it's diversity, either

Mock the king all you want, you cannot be heard in Texas.

[Anonymous No.991930]

>>991880
> the UN is anti freedom
Amurikkan detected.

[Anonymous No.991938]

>>991928
With such a high population you are bound to have some people who aren't retarded.

[Anonymous No.991942]

>to require students to become familiar with the political philosophies of Thomas Jefferson.

Wanna bet they're not going to mention his low opinion of Christianity?

>Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

>But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

>Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

>Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.

>And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE CHRISTIAN DERP

[Anonymous No.991943]

Texan here.
I am disappoint.

Fortunately, we still have guns, and that means we get to contest the vote next Sunday. I love shooting me some Republicans.

[Anonymous No.991946]

>>991880
Texas is a cool place? lol wut. I have lived in Texas for most of my life and I couldn't wait to get the fuck out of this state when I went to college.

[Anonymous No.991951]

>It is interesting that the state that so clearly goes against so many of the nations progressive trends has surpassed California as the leading economy
It hasn't.

>Also, few states can match it's diversity, either
California still has it beat there.

[Anonymous No.991956]

>>991930
Freedom hating anti-American detected.

[Anonymous No.991965]

>>991946
You must not have been very many places. I can't wait for grad school to move back to Texas.

[Anonymous No.991967]

>>991928 few states can match it's diversity, either

Yes, It has some former slaves (that it fought a war over to keep) and some illegals. Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.991971]

>>991956
Yes, I do hate freedom. Have you met your average person? The less freedoms they have the better.

[Anonymous No.991972]

>>991951
Texas isn't diverse. It just has lots of Mexicans. 2 groups, whites and mexicans, is not diverse.

[Anonymous No.991973]

>>991951
But California is the only US state with a larger economy than Texas, and perhaps more diverse (I have no idea about that claim). And Texas is still the 12th largest economy in the world, or thereabouts, and has quite a lot going for it in many ways. There is really no way one can reasonably claim Texas as either a backwater or some how a failure of a state.

[Anonymous No.991976]

>>991928
>few states can match it's diversity
And we all know how happy they are to have all those Mexicans sharing the space with them. They just can't stop talking about how much fun they are to have around, and what a boon to the economy they represent!

[Anonymous No.991977]

>>991972
There are tons of Asians there too, and many Europeans.

[Anonymous No.991985]

>>991965
Actually I have lived in several states ranging from California, Colorado, Florida, and Massachusetts. What is so appealing about Texas to you and what grad school are you going to?

[Anonymous No.991989]

Texas's secession would solve many problems is America LOL

[Anonymous No.991990]

>>991943
Democracy in action!

[Anonymous No.991991]

>>991973

And that is exactly what makes me sad about the board of education's decision. I wouldn't care if they did this in a backwater state, but Texas is not, therefore, it is a big deal.

[Anonymous No.991997]

>>991977
>Implying Europeans aren't all under the umbrella of "white"

[Anonymous No.991999]

>>991989
*many=most

[Anonymous No.992002]

>>991989
Why do people think Texas can secede from the US? I mean in all practicality, Texas cannot secede.

[Anonymous No.992030]

this is a big step towards Nazism, IMO

then again, if Russia could whitewash Stalin and present him as a national hero ...

[Anonymous No.992032]

>>992002
Doesn't mean we can't hope.

Please let them secede. Please.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.992038]

>>992002

There is still hope that it will secede and the rest of the US will nuke it back to the jurassic period

[Anonymous No.992045]

I once again say, usa is the worst country to live in now.

I'd rather live in Iran than usa now..atleast they let you do your science there..

[Anonymous No.992050]

>>991973
This. It's quite hilarious how delusional and immature that /sci/ is at times.

[Anonymous No.992056]

>>992045
You fucking can't be serious.

[Anonymous No.992072]

>>992056

Ausfag here, America is fucking stupid, that is all.

[Anonymous No.992075]

>>992072
American here, America is fucking stupid, that is all.

[Anonymous No.992078]

get this, atheists??

[Anonymous No.992083]

Texan here. Currently in Illinois for college. That is all.

[Anonymous No.992084]

>americunt_god.jpg

nice troll, bro

[Anonymous No.992092]

>>992084
fuck.

[Anonymous No.992095]

>>992056
I am, i've been to iran. They praise scientists there like hitler praised enginiggers. If you go there you are practically a god. It's not like the "demooocrachy" in usa. Fuck, just the thought of poisonous creationists makes me sick, atleast the muslims are too dumb to get in the way of science.

[الإسلام هو النور !J.v3VhGnOI No.992101]

>>992095
>muslims
>dumbs
sage.

[Anonymous No.992104]

>>992101
>middle-east secterists
>smart??? HAHAHAHA

fix'd

[Anonymous No.992107]

>>992095
Have fun rubbing your sticks together, Muhammad.

[Anonymous No.992116]

>>991997
Okay, well there are a lot of whites, blacks, Mexicans, Asians, and American aboriginals. So who else is there that they're lacking?

[Anonymous No.992125]

social studies and history education have nothing, NOTHING to do with science

why is this thread here?

[Anonymous No.992132]

>>992095

So how man Muslims have won a nobel prize? How many non-muslims?

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.992133]

>>992125
Your mom has nothing to do with science what are you doing here?

[Anonymous No.992153]

>>992050
>>991973
Now keep in mind that
>Texas (Listeni /ˈtɛksəs/) is the second-largest U.S. state in both area and population

So the thing that would indicate success is per capita GDP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita_%28nominal%29
Texas is 23rd there.

We know that Texans earn 20-30% less than the coastal states, they have the lowest rate of health insurance among the population (75%), it's 30th in life expectancy among US states.

I'd just like to add that not all Texans are fucking retarded (pic related)

[Anonymous No.992175]

>>992132
Your question is retarded.

Perhaps you meant to ask what the population proportional rate of nobel prizes amongst muslims is, relative to other faith groups.

Or perhaps it's because you're too dumb to see why your question is stupid.

[Anonymous No.992193]

>>992175

Muslims don't like the science. That's my point. There's a reason why they're behind.

[Anonymous No.992199]

>>992101
Call me when you guys stop getting upset over images of your prophet.

[Anonymous No.992206]

>>992153
Yeah, not all of them are retarded.. some of them didn't vote for Obama/McCain.

[Anonymous No.992207]

>>992132
They havent because they are all dumb. I'm sayiing it's a good idea to GO THERE AND BE a scientist. You'd get mad money bro.

[Anonymous No.992223]

>>992207

you'd risk being bombed by evil Western imperialists

[Anonymous No.992229]

>>992223
Well, you don't have to stay there permanently. Just work for the filthy muslims for a couple of years, until a fortune is amassed, then return home and live large.

[Anonymous No.992243]

>>"They have ignored historians and teachers, allowing ideological activists to push the culture war further into our classrooms," said Rep. Mike Villareal, a Democrat. "They fail to understand that we don't want liberal textbooks or conservative textbooks. We want excellent textbooks, written by historians instead of activists."

qft

[Anonymous No.992252]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10141121.stm

>>and that the Founding Fathers may not have intended a complete separation of church and state.

but they clearly did. they even fucking wrote it down.

[Anonymous No.992289]

>>991890
>triangle trade
what the FUCK?

[Anonymous No.992320]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10141121.stm

>>However, proponents argue they are redressing a liberal bias in education.

So they admit reality has a liberal bias...

>>And Thomas Jefferson has been dropped from a list of enlightenment thinkers in the world-history curriculum, despite being one of the Founding Fathers who is credited with developing the idea that church and state should be separate.

ffs

[Anonymous No.992321]

>>992193

Christians don't like science either. Your argument is invalid since most religions don't like progressive reform.

But there are religious people that do in-fact love science.

Also: Jābir ibn Hayyān and Algebra.

[Anonymous No.992325]

>>The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

>>Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

>>I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, 1799

>>Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

[Anonymous No.992327]

>>992206
yeah, right, the Libertarians

[Anonymous No.992329]

>>Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society. We have solved, by fair experiment, the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.
-- Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808)

[Anonymous No.992341]

>>992321

Also: al ghazali and the end of muslim enlightment

[Anonymous No.992347]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States#Article_6_of_the_Un
ited_States_Constitution

Pretty sure the founding fathers clearly intended a seperation of church and state...why is there an arguement over this? (not American btw)

[Anonymous No.992353]

>>992193

Abu Rayhan Biruni - considered the 'father of anthropology'
Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī - father of algebra (along with Diophantus)
Abdus Salam - Nobel prize winner for electro-weak theory
Ahmed_H._Zewail - Nobel prize for femtochemistry

[Anonymous No.992360]

>>992289
I learned triangle trade in Texas as well.

[Anonymous No.992368]

>>992206
>>992327
132 voted socialist.

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/2008presgeresults.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_independent_presidential_candidates,_
2008

[Anonymous No.992380]

>>992321
>>992321

Mathematicians are the greatest atheists of them all. They don't even believe in themselves. Don't fool yourself, none of those great pre-dominative islam scientists cared about theology.

[Anonymous No.992382]

>>992368

roughly 55.5% are morons, that's the point

I know that many disillusioned people didn't even go to vote

[Anonymous No.992386]

>>992380
how many Mathematicians do you know?:(

can tell you from my experience, majority are crazy religious

[Anonymous No.992387]

>>992347
Because Christian conservatives feel that we need to "reclaim America for Christ" as it has become godless and morally bankrupt. The are then trying to push so-called Christian values into the political sphere and make sure that everyone follows them.

cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Prayer

[Anonymous No.992388]

>>992386
derpherp anecdotes=statistical proof herpityderp

[Anonymous No.992389]

>>992347
The US is full of fundamentalists.

[Anonymous No.992393]

>>992386
No, they are just too smart to reveal themself in an opressive world.

[New Dark America. No.992397]

Everybody learn this word:

THEOCRACY

[Anonymous No.992398]

>>992388
take it for what it's worth, but the majority of the top mathematicians I've met were very religious Christians and a Jew

[Anonymous No.992399]

>>992002

Texas is the only state in the country that can voluntarily GTFO.

[Anonymous No.992403]

>>992393
oh they did reveal themselves in the opposite, fundamentalist, direction, believe me

[Anonymous No.992407]

>>992398
It is worth nothing, you need an actual, unbiased survey. And are you really that low on "arguments" that you need to rely on saying other people are religious so that must mean religion is right?

[New Dark America. No.992413]

>>992398
>>992398
No, they are just, very very convincing.

[Anonymous No.992418]

>>992399
Not so much:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v_White

[Anonymous No.992419]

>>992407
>It is worth nothing
maybe in your eyes, because you don't believe me

I'm a fucking atheist, you cunt.

[Anonymous No.992425]

>>992347
Because Christians are being less favored in the social and political spheres, and they consider this "oppression". (Who cares about everybody else, right?)

So, to combat this "oppression", they continue to make up ridiculous bullshit like how this country was "founded on Christian principles" to support their warped view of reality. Pretending that one can't infer "separation of church and state" (or that it doesn't apply to atheism) from the Constitution is one of their tactics.

There's also a lot of "Things were better back in my day!" nostalgiafaggotry mixed in. They're misty for the days when black people and women knew their place and godless commies were the great evil.

[Anonymous No.992427]

>>992418

well fuck my uncle.

[Anonymous No.992428]

>>992419
Awww, resorting to ad hominem attacks already? Strawman too? When did I say you were not an athiest, and how would that make your anecdotal evidence statistically valid?

[Anonymous No.992435]

>>992428
0/10

[Anonymous No.992440]

>>992435
0/10

[Anonymous No.992446]

>>992428
He said
>take it for what it's worth

Calm down, man. He needs a chill pill too, but come on, he SAID it was anecdotal from the very beginning.

[Anonymous No.992447]

>>992435
Why is it when religious people argue, they get so angry when confronted with logic? Great job man, you really made islam look good.

[Anonymous No.992449]

>>992446
lol samefag. pathetic.

[Anonymous No.992461]

>>992353
rofl, u got 4 while christians have like hundreds? hahaha

[Anonymous No.992464]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

Check out how Euler and Cantor were crazy religious

[Anonymous No.992466]

>>992419
calm the fuck down, don't fucking bomb us now.

[Anonymous No.992468]

OP's pic disturbs me......

[Anonymous No.992474]

>>992466
fuck off same trollfag

[Anonymous No.992479]

>>992474
who the fuck are you you faggot, so what if posted again? its only my second time

[Anonymous No.992490]

>>992464
Problem, athiestfags? This is a long list of people vastly more intelligent that %99 of people on /sci/.

[Anonymous No.992494]

>>992435
>>992440

ZING!

[Anonymous No.992503]

>>992464
You mean Euler the son of the pastor?

[Anonymous No.992506]

>>992490
intelligence has nothing to do with this, many top scientists were also plain insane.

I'm just saying that you'll find plenty of religious fanatics among scientists, especially mathematicians

[Anonymous No.992515]

>>992464
>>992464

That list should be called "http://wikipedia.com/You are gullible, therefore you believe in anything here.html"

[Anonymous No.992523]

>>992506
>intelligence
>nothing to do with success in science

[Anonymous No.992526]

>>992515
read their biographies anywhere, moron

Both had also written extensive memoirs so there's no arguing about that

[Anonymous No.992540]

>>992506
child

[Anonymous No.992544]

>>992523

As I said, many scientists struggled with massive insanity and were very successful scientists despite this

[Anonymous No.992558]

>>992540
0/10

[Anonymous No.992560]

>>992558
u mad

[Anonymous No.992562]

>>992544
"many" and "plenty" can still only be an incredibly small amount when looking at such a large group of people.

[Anonymous No.992568]

You all are so childish.

FUCKING GAMESTOP.

[Biofag No.992579]

>>992523

>has never met a creationist "scientist"

[Biofag No.992588]

>>992490

Why would their be a problem?

You can still be a good scientist and religious. It's just when your religiously biased thats fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.992592]

>>992562
yeah but we're talking batshit insane people, with severe schizophrenia etc!
even religion is not quite there in most cases

[Anonymous No.992594]

>>992562
He's unwilling to accept that he's immature for refusing to believe that perfectly intelligent, rational people can be religious, and that religion is not in fact a very important component to human life.

[Anonymous No.992596]

>>992588
No, statstically and by probability you won't. 98% of all the members in the national academy of science are atheists.

Basically, if you raise your children religously, they WILL become stupid.

[Anonymous No.992597]

>>992490
There's low temporal generalization when you're talking about theism like that. To be atheist in our era and to be atheist in a previous era are very, very different.

[Anonymous No.992601]

>>992596
>98% of all the members in the national academy of science are atheists.
[Citation Needed]

>Basically, if you raise your children religously, they WILL become stupid.
Bullshit.

[Anonymous No.992608]

>>992579
Why does creationism and science have to be mutually exclusive? All religion doesn't attempt to discredit science and doesn't attempt to explain the origin of the universe in detail.

How is the big bang any less evident than a creationist belief that the universe was created from 'nothing'?

If someone were to postulate that the big bang was initiated by some being at a command line in his lab, could you disprove it?

[Anonymous No.992615]

>>992596
>>992597
Statements like these show me that most of /sci/ are angry high school kids that have yet to live in the real world.

[Anonymous No.992619]

>>992608 Why does creationism and science have to be mutually exclusive?

Because people insist that creationism is science?

[Biofag No.992620]

>>992608

Yes but the rest of the creationist theory is bullshit. Sure you could only talk about the origins of the universe, but thats it.

[Anonymous No.992629]

>>992594
>Implying that religion is not an irrational belief.

People can believe in rational and irrational things? WELL GWARSH

It doesn't make the irrational thing any less stupid.

[Anonymous No.992631]

>>992601
This fact is known all over the world, but sure, here.
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/harris06/harris06_index.html

It's also quoted as 98% in Carl sagans book "Demon hunted world"

[Anonymous No.992635]

>>992629
What about nationalism? It's very similar to religion.

[Anonymous No.992640]

>>992608

>could you disprove it?

Being unfalsifiable is one of the things that makes it not science. Not being able to disprove something says nothing about the validity of the idea. It doesn't suddenly make it any more possible. Not only that but when you can't prove something doesn't exist then you are only left with proving it exists. Which there is no natural evidence for God so it's irrelevant to science.

We know the big bang happened. All that's left is specifics. There's nothing in the bible to indicate God did the big bang. It says the order in which God created everything and it conflicts with the big bang. So Christanity's creation myth isn't a viable hypothesis.

[Sorry bro, I win. No.992644]

>>992601
>>992601

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

In 1914 the eminent US psychologist James H. Leuba found that 58% of 1,000 randomly selected US scientists expressed disbelief or doubt in the existence of God, and that this figure rose to near 70% among the 400 "greater" scientists within his sample.[59] Leuba repeated his survey in somewhat different form 20 years later, and found that these percentages had increased to 67 and 85, respectively

[Anonymous No.992645]

>>992635
I consider it to be bullshit. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.992648]

>>992631
fuck off with that reference

the real number of theists is much larger

[Anonymous No.992649]

Ideology of science and religion in simple form.

[Anonymous No.992653]

>>992619
Do you honestly believe that these people represent the entire religious community? That is a faulty assumption if so.

[Anonymous No.992654]

>>992615
Are you implying that there's no difference between atheism now and atheism then? I'm sure some statistics alone would tell you otherwise.

[Sorry bro, I win. No.992666]

>>992648
1997, Federal Bureau of Prisons

Catholic 29267 39.164%

Atheist 156 0.209%

[Anonymous No.992672]

>>992645
you can sort of rationalize nationalism, and thus religion as a cultural belonging, too

[Biofag No.992673]

>>992653

What part of creationists don't you get?

[Sorry bro, I win. No.992678]

The New Criminology", Max D. Schlapp and Edward E. Smith say that two generations of statisticians found that the ratio of convicts without religious training is about 1/10

Meaning: There is 10 times greater chance your child will become a criminal convinct if it's religious.

[Anonymous No.992682]

>>992666
there are religious services for Catholics, you numbnuts

you want to be a Catholic in prison because at least you can spend some time as a human and belonging to a group can help you to survive in that hell

[Anonymous No.992686]

>>992672
Nationalism is based on something that actually exists, though. Religion is something used to cover up human ignorance and fear, such as what happens after death and the fact that we aren't all that important in the Universe as we like to think ourselves to be.

[Anonymous No.992695]

>>992682

There are good reasons not to go to prison, numbnuts.

Being an intelligent atheist and not doing illegal shit helps you avoid the hell of prison.

[Anonymous No.992696]

>>992686

>Nationalism is based on something that actually exists
Churches, your fellow churchgoers, the whole way of life also exist (and are very similar to nation-identity)

[Anonymous No.992697]

>>992672
The only way I would rationalize nationalism is the fact that you're stuck in a country, so you might as well want the best for the country to indirectly benefit yourself.

[Anonymous No.992699]

>>992695
>implying all illegal shit is stupid

enjoy financing your drug war, dumbshit

[Anonymous No.992703]

America is number 1 in science. /sci/ should love America. Plus we just created artificial life. So America is now god. But /sci/ is full of atheists....

[Anonymous No.992706]

>>992696
It's still based around the worship of a hypothetical higher being or belief in the supernatural.

Nationalism seeks the best for the nation, an actual presence on Earth. Even if opinions on what's best for the nation differ.

[Anonymous No.992707]

>>992703

[Anonymous No.992708]

>>991755

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[Anonymous No.992710]

>>992699

So let me get this straight. Catholics in prison are catholic because it helps them cope, not because god actually exists, and they're in prison because laws are unfair or stupid.

Wow man, you should run for public office. People would eat your shit up.

[Anonymous No.992712]

>>992707
>implying that america isnt one of the top contributors to the lhc

[Anonymous No.992713]

>>992707
We have several of those.

[Anonymous No.992715]

>>992699
That's not what he said. While the illegality of drugs is stupid, intelligent people will still avoid partaking in illegal drugs because they want to avoid their ass going to prison.

[Anonymous No.992717]

haha godfaggots rage against the reality.

Just face it, being atheist is being smart.

[Anonymous No.992718]

>>992706
>It's still based around the worship of a hypothetical higher being or belief in the supernatural.

c'mon, people just do the rituals and gt together from time to time
there's not much philosophy going on LOL

[Anonymous No.992719]

>>992707
Number of Nobel prize winners from the USA: 300+
Number of Nobel prize winners from Sweden: < 40

Suck our dicks.

[Anonymous No.992721]

>>992710
>and they're in prison because laws are unfair or stupid

absolutely, only a child or a moron would think otherwise

most people are in prison accidentally

[Anonymous No.992722]

>>992712
Build your own if you;re so great, dipshit

[Anonymous No.992724]

>>992721

>most people are in prison accidentally

Negro detected.

[Anonymous No.992725]

>>992717
Atheist =/= smart. I'm an atheist and I find the company of atheists not much more intellectually stimulating than the company of theists.

[Biofag No.992726]

>>992721

Wtf?

[Anonymous No.992728]

>>992722
We have several you dumb ass.

[Anonymous No.992729]

>>992719
USA: amount of nobelprizes per capita: 1

Sweden: Amount of nobelprizes per capita: 4,4

[Anonymous No.992733]

>>992715
>intelligent people will still avoid partaking in illegal drugs because they want to avoid their ass going to prison.

Blasphemy laws? Sodomy Laws? Segregation? Discrimination?

Calling the resistance "unintelligent"?
I hope you'll fucking die soon.

[Anonymous No.992736]

>>992718
You're deluded if you think most churchgoers get together just for shits and giggles.

We already have social events that aren't based religion. They're called parties.

[Anonymous No.992737]

>>992728
tiny once, sure

like your penis LOL

[Anonymous No.992739]

>>992729
You fucking suck at math.

[Anonymous No.992741]

>>992725
Atheist = smart. I'm an atheist and I find the company of atheists much more intellectually stimulating than the company of theists.

>Fix'd

[Anonymous No.992743]

>>992733
Which are all laws we have now in America, right?

Go choke on a dick.

[Anonymous No.992744]

>>992736

>We already have social events that aren't based religion.

yeah but that's too big of a leap for most people, just like seeing their country for what it is

[Anonymous No.992745]

>>992739
>>992739

you know i meant per million you silly fag

[Anonymous No.992746]

>>992719
Cool, so have you adjusted those numbers for the base rate proportions of scientists in each country or are you just gonna ignore those?

[Anonymous No.992748]

Fuck texas, that is all.

[Anonymous No.992750]

>>992744
Should've used an Obama image, brah. Then we could be tricked into thinking you're still socially relevant.

[Anonymous No.992751]

>>992741
Simply not believing in god doesn't make you intelligent. Most of the atheists I know are fucking idiots.

[Anonymous No.992756]

>>992743

That's the whole fucking point, people have always been thrown into prison for stupid shit.
America has by far the biggest prison population in the whole fucking world.
Connect the dots, dumb shit!

[Anonymous No.992758]

>>992733

>religious apologist changing the conversation away from the amount of religious people in prison to unconstitutional laws.

herp derp

[Anonymous No.992762]

>>992748
>>992748

<---- This man agrees

[Anonymous No.992763]

>>992751
Yeah. Being an atheist just means you're presumably not irrational about one aspect of the Universe.

While it helps, it doesn't indicate intelligence in another areas.

[Anonymous No.992766]

>>992758
still an atheist, brah

[Anonymous No.992767]

>>992756

>there is a large disparity between religious and non-religious people in prisons because people have always been imprisoned for the wrong reasons.

Sounds logical to me...

[Anonymous No.992768]

Religious:

The majority of wars
The majority of inmates
The majority of ignorants
The majority of terrorists

-------------------------------------

Save your children from religion.

[Anonymous No.992770]

>>992767
no this was my reply to a faggot implying religious people are more likely to smoke pot or cause harm negligently or shit like that

[Sorry bro, I win. No.992777]

Religion makes a country poor.
Religion makes you poor.

[Anonymous No.992779]

>>992768
>The majority of terrorists
define 'terrorist'

[Anonymous No.992781]

>>992768
>Abandon religion and all the world's problems will be solved.
Clearly this is how it will work out.

[Anonymous No.992784]

>>992777
>correlation implies causation

[Anonymous No.992785]

>>992770

I'm the faggot you were talking to and I never implied religious people are more likely to be criminals. My point was that your point about religious people being in prison only because of unfair laws is stupid.

Religious people murder, they do drugs, they steal. So do atheist but apparently they don't get caught.

[Anonymous No.992786]

>>992784
>implying these statistics aren't related

[Anonymous No.992787]

>>992777

[Anonymous No.992790]

>>992784
This isn't just 1 statistic to 1. This is 8 to 1.

[Anonymous No.992797]

>>992785
>So do atheist but apparently they don't get caught.

Once you realize how retarded this statement is, you'll get my point.

[Anonymous No.992798]

>>992490
>that %99

indeed

[Sorry bro, I win. No.992799]

>>992779

According to the 14,338 islamic terrorist attacksONYL in Iraq 2007, with the counting rising globally.

[Anonymous No.992802]

>>992790
Doesn't matter, bro. Correlation cannot be used to directly show causation.

It can start to tell us stuff when the correlations are strong, and we can eliminate other variables, but that's just not the case here.

[Anonymous No.992803]

>>992799
I said DEFINE not cite propaganda

[Anonymous No.992808]

>>992799
>terrorist attacksONYL in Iraq

Clinton killed at least 1/2 million children there, Albright said it was worth it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo

[Anonymous No.992810]

>>992797

That part was a joke genius.

And you do know you're asked your religion when you're being processed into prison right? Not when you leave. So implying that people convert is why there are so many is wrong.

[Anonymous No.992819]

>>992810

>And you do know you're asked your religion when you're being processed into prison right?
do you speak from experience?

[Anonymous No.992820]

>>992819

No. Do you?