/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9903868]

Reminder that most of the world is going to be uninhabitable in 30 years and if you're not working on solution right now whatever you're doing is useless.

[Anonymous No.9903883]

this is unironically why global apocalyptic race war is inevitable, imho

[Miniature Spacecraft No.9903900]

>>9903868
>working on solution right now

First : Don't vote Republican (or any right wing)

Second : Name and shame every firm, every brand

[Anonymous No.9903953]

Where's Antarctica? I heard a few parts of it might become viable for large-scale colonization if average temperatures ride too much.

[Anonymous No.9903958]

>>9903953
ONLY SCIENCE AND TOURISTS ALLOWED THERE KEEP YOUR GRUBBY FEET OUT OF IT.

[Anonymous No.9903961]

>>9903868
>US rek'd
>Most of Europe rek'd

wtf. I love climate change now.

[Anonymous No.9904066]

>>9903868
we need to invest in sheep
desertification does not happen due to warm weather and is only impacted by droughts if the area is already structurally impacted
farming techniques as burning growth and the practice of thinking 'overgrazing' exists will kill the fields
savanna lands die slowly if not grazed upon as the water comes too sparsly
if grazed the manure will improve the ground much more than dying plants
as manure increases, fertility rises
if the grass is grazed untill there is nothing
the dead animals will be more food for the land
manure will grow into dirt, which will keep more water, more plants grow, and the cycle creates better lands each year

[Anonymous No.9904072]

>>9903900
Unironically this. Fucking retards actively working against their own interests.

[Anonymous No.9904077]

>>9903900
this

city people vote hillary

only rural and suburban retards vote drumpf

say it with me

madam president

[Anonymous No.9904078]

>>9904072
>vote democrat instead
>socialists waste all the money on gibsmedats so none is left to fight climate change.

Fucking retards actively working against their own interests.

[Anonymous No.9904086]

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[Anonymous No.9904095]

>>9903868

looks like we just need to build a huge wall

[Anonymous No.9904096]

My country is in the top 5 of recycling and renewabel energy off all the world.
we in the west are working on a solution, it just that the rest of the world doesnt give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.9904106]

>>9903868

also if you look at sibir in Russia, that is huge frozen land that will be warmed up by the increase in temperature, probably can feed the rest of the world if that land becomes warmer. dont underestimate how huge that area is, this is distorted flat map

[Anonymous No.9904112]

>>9904066
Are you retarded? Most savannas and grasslands in general are fire dependent ecosystems and will be overran with woody plants and die in a catastrophic fire due to fire suppression. Grazing is a localized disturbance that while imporant for maintaining patchy hetrogenitity, is negligable for systems wide disturbance regiemes. There is definitely such a thing as overgrazing and domesticated rangelands must be intensively and cleverly managed to support the growth and reproduction of the local flora, short interval high-intensity grazing with frequent rotation is appropriate in some circumstances and in other cases long interval low intensity grazing is appropriate, perdiodic perscribed burns are usually appropriate, most importantly seed saving and other active measures to promote biodiversity, community structure and ecosystem function are what we should do.
Overgrazing is definitely a hug problem, especially in the north American prairie and south American cerrado that I am familiar with. The biggest problem facing grasslands and wooded grasslands m by far is conversion to agriculture fields driven by rapid urbanization and international trade, with associated problems like the suppression of disturbance regimes fragmentation and worst of all biodiversity loss.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.9904114]

>>9903868
>all those dead shitskins
>the important part of Europe is fine
wtf I love global warming now

[Anonymous No.9904115]

>>9904078
You must be joking.

[Anonymous No.9904119]

>>9904078
You can strawman all you fucking want but you literally cannot top a world leader who doesn’t acknowledge the issue, thinks it’s a Chinese hoax, and thinks it snowing outside is equivalent to it being made up.

Hell Obama’s fucking farewell address stressed the importance of dealing with climate change. At least the dems fucking acknowledge there’s a problem instead of outright denying it and pretending God is going to fix everything.

Also
>muh gibsmedats

gibsmedat $12,000,000,000 daddy gubmin us farmers are a hurtin after we voted in a dipshit who hurt us with his dumbass trade policies in the first place

[Anonymous No.9904120]

>>9904114
>implying the lefties in our country will not open the floodgates to let these people in
We will be swarmed by billions of africans.

[Anonymous No.9904122]

>>9904115
It's well-known that Democrats place penis mutilation and mental illness acceptance above any scientific fact. Go and ask some commies in the streets whether or not """gender discrimination""" is our most important fight in 2018.

[Anonymous No.9904126]

>>9904122
>Some people actually believe this

[Anonymous No.9904127]

>>9904119
Trump is a billionaire, from a millionaire father. He has a higher education than even you. Trump knows climate change is real, he just says otherwise because he knows that's exactly what really pisses you liberals off.

[Anonymous No.9904132]

>>9904127
So he acts like a 12 year old and childishly destorys the world to piss people off?
Cringe.
Actually he denies climate change because he is riding the energy lobbies dick.

[Anonymous No.9904140]

>>9904132
No, he just likes to piss you off. Which I suppose. I'm already convinced I'm voting for 4 extra years of you being salty as fuck. Also:

>gibsmedat $12,000,000,000 daddy gubmin us farmers are a hurtin after we voted in a dipshit who hurt us with his dumbass trade policies in the first place

You fucking retard. What do you think a trade war is? The point is that the US has more money than China, so we can easily keep injecting the economy with money longer than China can. THIS is the point of a trade war. China will have to give in before us, and then we will win.

I mean, how do you think trade wars are fought? What do you think a trade war even is? Jesus fuck you liberals are beyond retardation.

[Anonymous No.9904145]

>>9903868
Not Shilling against you, but the pic you chose is bullshit. It isn’t that only cold regions will be habitable, it’ll be that coastal regions will be uninhabitable. Every island, beach, and everything in between will be fucked.

[Anonymous No.9904146]

>>9904127
>I was just pretending to be retarded

[Anonymous No.9904147]

>>9904126
>Some people are not willing to destroy civilizations by bringing communism back and going apeshit over not only fossil fuels but also their only mass-producible alternative
Yeah. Some people are down to earth.

[Anonymous No.9904148]

>>9904077
This post just really makes me cringe. Not even pro-Trump. This post is pure unadulterated lefty/pol/ autism and just made me lose all faith in this board.

[Anonymous No.9904149]

>>9904140
>No, he just likes to piss you off. Which I suppose. I'm already convinced I'm voting for 4 extra years of you being salty as fuck.
Epic troll lel
I have a hard time believing someone with this mentality is old enough to vote?
You should be on /b/ or ifunny

[Anonymous No.9904153]

>>9904149
>ignoring my comment on your lack of knowledge about trade war
As I expected you to do. Never change, liberals. It is your retardation that we love. Please hit me up the next time you are dressing up as prostitutes and marching on London looking like fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.9904154]

>>9904148
/Leftypol/ hates Hillary. That post is obivously a lost /b/tard trying to bait you.

[Anonymous No.9904156]

climate change is real, the climate has been changing for billions of years.
we are only speeding up the process a little bit.
There have been volcanic explosions in the bast couple of hundred of years that have blown more toxic stuff in the air then humanity has managed to produce since the industrial revolution.
The earth is going to heat up, so what, it was going to happen anyway.
we just need to prepare for this.

[Anonymous No.9904161]

>>9904140
>winning a trade war by harming yourself more than your enemies and alienating your allies at the same time

[Anonymous No.9904162]

>>9904153
there's no way this user is over 18
it's completely impossible

[Anonymous No.9904164]

>>9904153
I never commented about the "trade war" you autist. Also you have no idea how agriculture works, who gives a fuck about the trade war, America will run out of groundwater and surface water much sooner due to Trump's BLM USDA and EPA corporate take over and the climate is changing, we will have to import our food 40 years from now.

[Anonymous No.9904165]

>>9904072
The wall will be quite useful to minimize the climate refugees. It is definitely in my self interest to impede their ability to invade my space when the climate goes tips up.

[Anonymous No.9904172]

>>9904161
But, dude. That is a war. The entire point of wars is that you sacrifice something (in normal wars: people) hoping that your things last longer than your enemy's, and then you can make demands.

Jesus fuck, I didn't know liberals were THIS ignorant.

>>9904162
>>9904164
>>9904162
Shut the fuck up. I already confirmed liberals have the effective IQ of a sub-Saharan African. Please go on with your business. The 30+ IQ barrier indicates you people can't even comprehend what I'm telling you.

[Anonymous No.9904173]

>>9904172
>Thinks this is passible bait.
You aren't fooling anyone you cringey retard

[Anonymous No.9904174]

>>9904154
>Leftists hate the candidate they made win the popular vote

[Anonymous No.9904178]

>>9904174
Dude, chill. Liberals can't properly think. Leave them in their little fantasy magic land. I'm up here trying to explain to them what wars are, they don't even know. They are like children.

[Anonymous No.9904179]

>>9904156
This. CO2 in the atmosphere was roughly at the same level it is now 10-15 million years ago, but it didn’t cause an extinction level event. Obviously we should be cautious with our Carbon emissions, but the doomsday stuff is blown out of proportion.

The primary concern is coastal flooding and potentially trillions of dollars of damage to infrastructure, but it’s nothing humans can’t handle.

[Anonymous No.9904183]

>>9903868
Banning western governments, churches and NGOs from providing aid to the third world would be a good start. The problem is that the West has a suicidal ideology that seeks to increase the third world population because of guilt, while simultaneously wanting to stop MAN made environmental destruction. It does not make sense. Norman Borlaug saved an estimated 1 billion lives with his "green revolution", and what was the net cost to the planet? The Indian ocean is full of feces, and the pacific ocean is full of plastic. The solution is war and/or famine. There are no politicians in the West with the balls to advocate for this, so they all talk about cucking ourselves via carbon taxes.

[Anonymous No.9904204]

>>9904179
>This. CO2 in the atmosphere was roughly at the same level it is now 10-15 million years ago, but it didn’t cause an extinction level event.
That's because the biosphere was adapted to carbon levels that high. Every time carbon ppm has experienced a change of 100ppm is associated with a mass extinction event. The current rates of extinction are hunders of times higher than the background rate at least, reguardless of climate change. We are currently in the middle of one of the largest mass extinction events on record and the effects of climate change have barely started.
Yikes

[Anonymous No.9904219]

>>9904172
imagine being this autistic

[Miniature Spacecraft No.9904233]

>>9904078
>Democrats are socialists

[Anonymous No.9904240]

>>9904204
The Holocene extinction (The current one) started well before the industrial revolution and is the result of humans simply existing. With or without carbon emissions, life on Earth would still be experiencing an extinction level event, and it won’t stop until all life on Earth can adapt to Humans like domesticated animals.

[Anonymous No.9904252]

>>9904240
Humanity should just fuck off to space and turn the earth in to a wildlive reserve&vacation destination.
Instead we are becoming slaves to instant gratification and gave given up on the our desire for exploration&adventure.
In a couple of billions of years some advanced alien race will pass by earth and find fauna&flora, and only after looking a bit closer they will find our ruins and have a good laugh at why they are superior to us because we could not even get free out of our own gravity well and died on our tomb world.

[Anonymous No.9904272]

If everything the climate change alarmists said came true, we’d have gone extinct hundreds of times by now. I highly doubt that this is an exception. Fucking brainlets. All you’re doing is holding back progress.

[Anonymous No.9904290]

>>9904252
>Humanity should just fuck off to space and turn the earth in to a wildlive reserve&vacation destination.
Then we'll have to fuck off to space and turn Mars into a wildlife reserve and vacation destination. Then we'll have to fuck off to space and turn Venus into a wildlife reserve and vacation destination. Then we'll have to fuck off to space and turn Titan into a wildlife reserve and vacation destination. Then we'll have to fuck off to space and turn the rest of the solar system into a wildlife reserve and vacation destination. Then we'll have to fuck off to space and turn our spaceships into a wildlife reserve and vacation destination.

[Anonymous No.9904310]

>>9904290
I see it going two ways, we fuck of to space and all live in O'Neill cylinders, or we all fuck of to space and upload our minds to computers and become immortals who live in simulations.
Not that these two will ever happen because we are already drowning in Multiculturalism.

[Anonymous No.9904329]

>>9903868
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_aerosol_injection_(climate_engineering)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_fertilization

Thank me later.

[Anonymous No.9904344]

>>9904252
>Humanity should just fuck off to space and turn the earth in to a wildlive reserve&vacation destination

Humans are the only thing on Earth capable of saving other life on Earth from its inevitable doom when the Sun’s expansion makes life on the planet impossible anyway in a billion years.

Humans are singularly what gives any value whatsoever to Earth and terrestrial life. Without us, life on this planet would inescapably live and die without so much as a whisper in the universe. Everything on this planet exists only for the purpose of furthering our own existence.

[Anonymous No.9904361]

>>9904329
but that'll have drastic effects on the ocean ecosystem right? Too much phytoplankton isnt good either

[Anonymous No.9904379]

>>9904361
Marine life needs to learn how to stop being a pussy then. Pretty much any solution to solving climate change is ultimately gonna lead to the side effect of causing another problem requiring another solution to deal with that problem.

We aren’t, nor should we, halt progress to keep the Earth a hugbox for other life. Our only concern is keeping Earth’s ecosystem well enough away from reaching a crisis which actually threatens Human life.

[Anonymous No.9904388]

>>9903868
lol good luck for walking here over sahara when it spreads from congo to france
billions of nigs gone die and that's a good thing

[Anonymous No.9904418]

>>9904379
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.9904453]

>>9904140
>The point is that the US has more money than China, so we can easily keep injecting the economy with money longer than China can. THIS is the point of a trade war. China will have to give in before us, and then we will win.
basically:
>I shot myself in the dick, but he shot himself in the head
>so I win!
the only way to actually win is not to play, retard. trade wars hurt everyone involved; a big part of the reason for modern peace and prosperity is that America and Europe have been working for decades and decades to reduce trade barriers.
high schoolers can understand this simple concept but it's beyond the capacities of Orange Daddy.

[Anonymous No.9904474]

>>9904453
>economically weaker country tries to abuse us in the international market
>let's not retaliate

-If you kill your enemies, they win - Cuckstin Trucuck

[Anonymous No.9904594]

>>9904178
Imagine being this autistic

[Anonymous No.9904598]

>>9903868
Doubt it fag.

>carbon dioxide removal technologies will advance to the point that it will cost around 10 burgerbux to remove a ton of CO2 from the atmosphere.
>Electric cars will eclipse the efficiency of gas powered cars as battery technology and automotive engineering become more optimized
>First world citizens are already increasingly switching to plant based diets as the price of produce reduces due to advances in GMO technology and the public becomes more aware of the effects of pesticides and anti-biotics on health are better known.
>As geothermal, wind, solar, and water based power becomes more optimized it will become more efficient to use renewable energy rather than oil.
>vertical farming is introduced to third world countries, leading to the solving of world hunger
>Africans wont though because they are too fucking stupid and their governments too corrupt, but southeast asians will be able to take advantage of new technologies to create better societies, and contribute to the speed at which technology advances.

OPs map is wrong if even like, 2 of these things happen.

[Anonymous No.9904611]

The level of retardation and incivility in replies in this climate change thread compared to the ones in >>9903666 are just astounding. How is it possible for so many brainlets to congregate in one thread? Do your special ed handlers know you’re shitposting on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.9904629]

>>9904418
At least express your autismal outrage in a way where I can thoroughly deconstruct the ridiculous notion that non-human life has greater priority over human life.

[Anonymous No.9904649]

>>9904629
Arguments are for brainlets
I think people like you should be exiled.

[Anonymous No.9904667]

>>9904077
I hate Trump but thank the fuck christ at least it's not Hillary Clinton.

[Anonymous No.9904700]

>>9904649
You can think anything you want. Fact is most humans will never subscribe to the notion that their welfare is less important than the welfare of non-human organisms, so good luck coalescing your army of squirrels and alligators and what not to exile the majority of humans who believe they matter more than other life.

[Anonymous No.9904703]

>>9904077
>tfw rual Arkansas Hillary voter
Trump supporters really are retards in real life btw. The subarbanites are by far the worsts, I give my bumpkinbros(unless they are rich) a pass. We should gas metropolitan areas now.
All the subarbanites are demented alien post-life monsters like this fella>>9904379 Urban rats are the same way but they are at least interesting. And it's spreading this urbanization must end.

[The Lord No.9904711]

>>9904667

[Anonymous No.9904712]

>>9904700
Life's better with company and life holds our world together. Biodiversity loss and climate change are by far the biggest threats to human comfort. There is no separation between human and non human life.

[Anonymous No.9904748]

>>9904112
overgrazing is not a problem. It's been seen as a problem for decades which it isn't.
grazing improves biodiversity.
Periodic burning should be minimalized
reforestation of savanna grounds is actually positive. It'll lead to more forests whilst the remaining grassland is safet from desertification
you are regurgitating the same textbook talking points and are saying nothing concrete
biodiversity is not the ultimate goal. it is de-desertification. grasslands cannot be converted to agricultural fields most of the time
it is an European mindset that thinks this should be
they should have been treated like the pampas in argentina
many cows and the ground will improve by itself

[Anonymous No.9904761]

>>9904086
This is due to the cfc bans

[Anonymous No.9904765]

>>9904712
Biodiversity can recover and has shown the ability to do so multiple times in history in the midst of far worse global crises. Localized climate change was the catalyst which propelled humans to evolve in the first place.

>There is no separation between human and non human life

Humans are capable of expressing this, other life can’t.

[Anonymous No.9904771]

>>9903868
>4 degrees by 2050
woah there
That‘s exactly why the cigarette lobby had a field trip with the concept of climate change.

[Anonymous No.9904780]

>>9904748
>reforestation of savanna grounds is actually positive.
It will burn. Low intensity burning of grass is good, and puts carbon in the soil,(not uncommon for 80%+ of biomass in grasslands to be underground) a dry tree tenderbox burning is catastrophic and with no grassland plants or soil it will have no reslience. If you are looking for long term carbon sequestering in arid areas look no further than grass. There are reasons why those places didn't have many trees growing in the first place, reforresting gallery forests and other humid areas in arid landscapes is great.
>biodiversity is not the ultimate goal. it is de-desertification
Biodiversity is by far the most important thing to stabilize an ecosystem.
Overgrazing absolutely is a thing depending on what species of grass we are talking about. Hell I doubt you could name 10 species of grass in your own back yard. I run cattle myself and am paid to seed and manage thousands of acres of rangelands, I have been very involved in reforresting and grassland, I'm am very literate in the life sciences too, please stop pretending like you know what you are talking about.
>>9904765
You know how long speciation and niche relationships take? Clearly you do not. What we have now is irreplaceable, and we will die with the rest, if we do survive things will not get any better, its a long, lonely road to human extinction you are talking about. That would be a tragedy because as you pointed out we are the first life form in history capable of understanding what life is. There is alot to understand and I don't want to flush it down the toilet for the sake of cheap cell phones and wider roads, that isn't "progress" that is degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.9904819]

>>9904127
>Trump is a billionaire
we don't know that since he won't release his tax returns

>from a millionaire father
investing $1M in index funds starting in 1988 would (much more easily) make you a billionaire now

>He has a higher education than even you
personally, I have a PhD in physics

>Trump knows climate change is real, he just says otherwise because he knows that's exactly what really pisses you liberals off
literally wants to burn down the house just to own the libz

[Anonymous No.9904832]

>>9903868
nice to see Canada and Russia becoming the worlds super powers in 30 years

[Anonymous No.9904843]

>>9904819
>literally wants to burn down the house just to own the libz
Yes, because it is that funny. And Trump has more immediate political goals to accomplish. I'm sure he knows that if he just lets renewable energy technology develop naturally, it will eventually replace fossil fuel anyway. There is actually very little need to become alarmists when the tech is already being developed literally every day.

> PhD in physics
Then why don't you use that education to help Trump and work in developing renewable energy sources? No? Would rather just stay on the internet whining about "HE IS LITERALLY HITLER!"? Well, okay. That's your choice. What a waste of education though.

[Anonymous No.9904848]

>>9904832
Not really. Russia will just invade Canady and they'll say "If you kill your enemies, they win".

[Anonymous No.9904860]

>>9903868
there is no evidence the world will be 4 degrees warmer by 2050.

There's a possibility it will be by 2100, but its much more likely to be 2.5 c. Still bad though

[Anonymous No.9904870]

This place has a lot of climat change deniers, but I want to hear this from a climate change believer.
I have hit a wierd snag in my thoughts about carbon, please let me walk you through my thoughts.

What is the problem? There is too much carbon in the air! It doesn’t belong there. We need to put it back where it belongs. We need to make things go back to how they used to be before it’s to late.
How did it get into the air? Corporations and citizens burning up fossil fuels that they dug up from the ground.
That means we should take the carbon out of the air and put it into the ground! No, that would be silly, carbon does not belong in the ground, because it wouldn’t do anything useful there.
How did the carbon get into the ground, to get into furnaces, to get into the air? Ancient animals and plants full of chemical energy being fossilized into the ground.
That means we should take the carbon out of the air and put it into the biosphere! No, that would be silly, all that carbon doesn’t belong in the biosphere because we already have enough animals alive in the world, any more than survive now would just be overpopulated because of other limiting factors than just carbon.
How did all that carbon get into the ancient biosphere, to get into the ground, to get into furnaces, to get into the air? The animals and plants all breathed it in through the air. That means that we should take the carbon out of the air, and put it where it truly belongs: the air! Wait, what?

What is the error in that thought experiment? How is this paradox resolved?

[Anonymous No.9904878]

>>9903868
>>>/pol/180582140

[Anonymous No.9904882]

>>9904780
>You know how long speciation and niche relationships take? Clearly you do not. What we have now is irreplaceable, and we will die with the rest, if we do survive things will not get any better, its a long, lonely road to human extinction you are talking about. That would be a tragedy because as you pointed out we are the first life form in history capable of understanding what life is. There is alot to understand and I don't want to flush it down the toilet for the sake of cheap cell phones and wider roads, that isn't "progress" that is degeneracy.

Why is strict speciation absolutely necessary for Earth’s ecosystem to function when Humans have over the course of only 15 or so thousand years been able to use artificial selection to aggressively create multiple breeds of dogs which all still belong to the same species while developing unique physiological and behavioral features which differ more drastically and purposefully from each other than most organisms do that are of a different genus but the same family classification? And now we have the even more drastic ability to directly modify organisms genetic code at its source as is the case in GMO crops.

Speciation from natural selection isn’t necessarily important to keep the ecosystem functional anymore as humans can circumvent the trial and error process of evolution making countless fragile and failed species and skip straight to making long lasting and successful organisms?

[Anonymous No.9904901]

>>9903868
Why is that part of western Australia going to become habitable? It currently isn't

[Anonymous No.9904905]

>>9904901
BAD GOY! DO NOT QUESTION THE LIBERAL PROPAGANDA!

[Anonymous No.9904907]

This board so fucking trash, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.9904910]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkdxObsCVGY

[Anonymous No.9904923]

>>9904870
Well for one, this is neither a thought experiment nor a paradox. The problem is not necessarily the amount of carbon in the air, it's how fast that amount is changing. It took millions of years for carbon to be pulled out of the atmosphere by algae and plankton blooms and get sequestered beneath the earth as fossil fuel. During that time the climate slowly cooled. The cool climate that process resulted in is what humans evolved in and have always lived in. Releasing all that carbon in only a few hundred years is not equivalent, so your narrative fails. It's taking us out of the climate humans and the ecosystem we rely on are adapted for, too quickly for us to re-adapt without causing serious harm.

[Anonymous No.9904927]

>>9903868
Solution: War and breakdown of unnecessary trade and production.

[Anonymous No.9904936]

>>9904882
you are overestimating our abilities and underestimating the problem. you were off by a long shot.

[Anonymous No.9905000]

>>9904819
>investing $1M in index funds starting in 1988 would (much more easily) make you a billionaire now
You fucking idiot. First of all, your math is terribly wrong and it's ironic. 30 years, one million, and 8% interest compounded yearly is only 10 million dollars. Not even close to a billion.

Secondly, your premise implies practically anyone could have predicted the future and the current stock market prices. There's a tremendously small amount of people who actually did. There was no guarantee we would have survived multiple crashes where it have ended up like the Japanese market. Any idiot can look at a graph and pretend he would have been a billionaire, it make it true.

I refuse to believe you actually have a "PhD in physics". Timestamp a photo of your degree. You must be the greatest cocker in the history of the world to be this stupid and still graduate.

[Anonymous No.9905040]

>>9904272
>>9904905
>rape of the natural world ain't happening, I keep my A/C set at 55 in the summer
Ignoramuses need to stop being the loudest voices on the skeptic side.

[Anonymous No.9905059]

orange man bad

[Anonymous No.9905061]

>>9904832

>Implying Russia isn't going to be bum rushed by China and India

Literally over 2.5 billion people will be knocking at their door and they aren't going to take no for an answer.

[Anonymous No.9905066]

>>9905061
>natural barriers such as mountain ranges, deserts, and huge rivers do not exist

lol

[Anonymous No.9905079]

>>9904096
Ya got that right. Nothing to give a fuck about.

[Anonymous No.9905087]

OP posted a troll map and got nearly 100 responses.

Places like Phoenix, Houston, and Las Vegas are among just a few or many cities around the world that are already built in and function just fine in climates that according to OP’s map would be “Unihabitable”.

[Anonymous No.9905101]

>>9905066

>Lol our moutains, deserts and rivers will proctect us!
>It's not like humans haven't spent hundreds of thousands of years literally traversing the entire planet

Again anon Russia is fucked, China and India will come for the land .

[Anonymous No.9905151]

>>9905087
>how do wawa work!!!!

[Anonymous No.9905156]

>>9905101
>logistics aren't a thing. people can literally go anywhere they want, no problem.

lol

[Anonymous No.9905157]

>>9903868
What degree do I get to fight it?

[Anonymous No.9905177]

>>9904927
>unnecessary trade
such as?

[Anonymous No.9905182]

>>9905177
You're right. Thanks to globalization, virtually all trade is necessary. May God have mercy on us all if it is ever disrupted.

In other news, economists agree that moving forward globalization is the best way to grow the economy.

[Anonymous No.9905184]

>>9903868
lol. many people already live in deserts, floodplains, and storm corridors. that picture is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.9905195]

>>9904780
>Biodiversity is by far the most important thing to stabilize an ecosystem.

to stabilize a natural ecosystem. few places are that closed loop with humans around providing inputs and applying throttling mechanisms.

[Anonymous No.9905218]

New Zealand here.

Heh. Hope you fuckers know how to swim :^)

[Anonymous No.9905223]

>>9905156

>He thinks 145 million people are going to stop 2.5 billion people who want better land regardless of who gets in their way

You can't even go with the quality vs quantity argument because China's population also has a higher IQ average.

[Anonymous No.9905236]

>Chinese so smart!
>We take you land, gwei lo

[Anonymous No.9905239]

>>9905223
Yeah, but the problem of 'how' is still quite pressing, anon. Chinese are not going to swim to the USA.

[Anonymous No.9905247]

Post yfw you live in a green area and are waiting for the rest of the world to fuck off and die for their mistakes
Post yfw you realise that it's almost entirely the big contributors to global warming that are yellow

[Anonymous No.9905257]

>>9904078
>democrats are socialist

[Anonymous No.9905259]

>>9904703
>rural Arkansas Hillary voter
hello Levi

[Anonymous No.9905263]

>>9904145
>every island
Some islands are really hilly.
New Zealand for example would lose about two metres of coastline for every metre rise in sea level, which is nothing.

[Anonymous No.9905267]

>>9903868
Inhabitable means habitable? What a country!

[Anonymous No.9905290]

>>9904072
>Fucking retards actively working against their own interests.

lol shut the fuck up. all the NIMBY faggots that are cockblocking hydropower, windpower, and nuclear are raging liberals.

[Anonymous No.9905307]

NZfag here. Just want to know that if this planet turns into Kharak will biodiversity at least stabilize? Or will it set off a mass extinction event?

[Anonymous No.9905342]

>>9905307
Depends on how fast it happens.
Over a long period, biomes would move away from the equator, as their ideal temperatures move the same way.
Over a short period, it simply creates more barren land; areas arid because of heat expand, and areas arid because of cold become less arid but take a long time to transform into a biome suited to the new climate.

Also, anywhere that you can't go any further from the equator (northern and southern Africa), there's nowhere for biomes to move to. They're just swallowed up by desert.

[Anonymous No.9905345]

>>9905087

I live in Las Vegas. Beneath every tree, and in every single area where there is green, there is a hidden circulation pumping freshwater like blood to keep it alive... and we're running out of freshwater. Drought is endemic...

[Anonymous No.9905351]

>>9905307

If the earth turns into a barren wasteland will biodiversity stabilize? We're already in a mass extinction event.

[Anonymous No.9905355]

>>9903868
>world is going to be uninhabitable in 30 years

And that's a good thing!

Here's why: Good Riddance

[Anonymous No.9905368]

>>9905355

You only think that now because you aren't starving to death.

[Anonymous No.9905381]

>>9905368
STEM minds should focus in living comfy on Mars, conquering Space, instead of saving this gay Earth.

Millions of starving plebs aren't our business.

[Anonymous No.9905395]

>>9905239

Are you literally retarded? They were talking about Russia not the USA. Russia is connected to china by land. Regardless of mountains and rivers, humans already invented the technology to easily traverse them thousands of years ago, and it's only become easier as technology goes on. Hell, the mongolians could fucking do it and all they had were horses which are unironically shit at crossing mountains.

>>9905263

Billionaires have already bought tons of land in New Zealand for this very reason. They call it a "utopia" totally safe from armageddon. And the funny thing is, not only is it isolated but it has an invite-only immigration policy, meaning the dying masses won't be allowed in when the end-times come.

[Anonymous No.9905400]

>>9905381

Thing is dude, Mars is so desolate that whatever solution you figure out to make it habitable is, just means that you figured out how to fix Earth too, thus making migration to Mars unnecessary.

[Anonymous No.9905432]

>>9905381

What are you serious? Get fucking serious, man. This isn't a joke.

[Anonymous No.9905434]

>>9905395
Billionaires are prone to panicking, particularly the hedge fund, stock market types.

[Anonymous No.9905436]

op is fagot grand solar minimum denier

[Anonymous No.9905442]

>>9903868
Fellow Canadians, what should we do to keep future ref*gees of climate change from migrating into our lands and taking away from our comfy space and resources?

[Anonymous No.9905449]

>>9905442

You can't. Your country has a smaller population than california and has nowhere near enough GDP to outspend the USA on defense.

Canada will simply be taken over by the USA, and there is literally nothing you can do to stop it.

Canada is also one of the few countries in the world that doesn't have nukes, and it's neighbors with the country that literally invented them and has the most of them.

[Anonymous No.9905476]

>>9905442
I dont think we need to worry about the yanks - they're pretty dum, eh buddy - bunch of hosers

[Anonymous No.9905478]

>>9905449
B-but sovereign rights :(

[Anonymous No.9905491]

>>9903868
>30 years
>30 years
>Only thirty years
The climate change shills are finally revealing their batshit insanity.

[Anonymous No.9905493]

>>9905442
>>9905449

Both of these comments operate on the assumption of the OP's premise of global warming, which is false.

[Anonymous No.9905517]

>>9905493

You got nothing. You're as bad as a social justice warrior.

[Anonymous No.9905518]

>>9904361
it saved the salmon

[Anonymous No.9905519]

>>9904923 nice psuedoscience degree you've got there, how much it cost ya

[Anonymous No.9905525]

>>9905290
da fuq is wrong with lftr and fusion?

[Anonymous No.9905528]

>>9905491
finally? they said the arctic would be iceless by 2000 and 2013 and havent gotten a single model right save the ocean temps in the last two years. these cucks can't meme magic their psuedoscience into reality

[Anonymous No.9905537]

>>9905087
Those places only function by being artificially propped up by technology which cannot maintain against droughts and energy shortages which will be happening within 20 years. The Southwest United States is already feeling these effects, today.

[Anonymous No.9905547]

>>9905528

Hot... make ice... go away.

[Anonymous No.9905552]

>>9903868
Someone has to create the stillsuits like the ones in Dune.

[Anonymous No.9905553]

>>9905351

OPs picture implies habitation which also implies a degree of biodiversity despite losses. Mass extinction never wipes out literally every lifeforn.

[Anonymous No.9905556]

>>9905547

Wonder how much it'll grow back by the end of the grand solar minimum?

[Anonymous No.9905557]

>>9905553
So far, and this is the worst mass extinction ever. Try to explain that without blaming humans.

[Anonymous No.9905558]

>>9905368
you only think that because you are too stupid to grow your own food

[Anonymous No.9905560]

>>9905556
Those pictures are typically taken at the same date every year for comparison purposes.

[Anonymous No.9905561]

>>9905449
> has the most of them
Typical amerimutt bragging about the staff he hasn't actually got.

[Anonymous No.9905562]

>>9905556

I wonder how much the sun actually has to do with temperature?

[Anonymous No.9905564]

>>9905449
> has the most of them
Typical amerimutt bragging about the stuff he doesn't actually have.

[Anonymous No.9905565]

>>9905449
Or we could solve climate change.
Reminder that veganism is a meme propagated by oil shills that want to shift the onus onto the consumer instead of taking responsibility. But it actually seems like it might work. Then again, tress are really shit at being carbon storage. We should try seeding the ocean.

[Anonymous No.9905567]

>>9905564

What are you doing? You just reinforced the point he was trying to make.

[Anonymous No.9905568]

>>9905557
>and this is the worst mass extinction ever.
It really isn't.

[Anonymous No.9905569]

>>9905568

In terms of rapidity it might be.

[Anonymous No.9905571]

>>9905557
implying our extensive studies of current bio-diversity don't skew that number

[Anonymous No.9905576]

>>9905568
Yes it is. It's not like when the dinosaurs got wiped out but we're living in the fastest mass extinction event ever observed that isn't a catastrophe like a meteorite impact. We're killing everything.

[Anonymous No.9905582]

>>9903900
>Don't vote Republican (or any right wing)
But I DID vote Republican and will continue to do so, and so will tens of millions of more people just like me.

So what's your backup plan, bitch?

[Anonymous No.9905586]

>>9905562
nice shit tier graph for tsi and not including time delayed feed back loops in your consideration. 288 k average temperature times .003 difference in tsi is how many degrees? guess you've never heard of the correlation between intergalactic rays and, the suns magnetic field, and cloud seeding either?

[Anonymous No.9905587]

>>9905571
Biodiversity generally increases as time goes on. It's recorded in the fossil record with some degree of accuracy.

[Anonymous No.9905590]

>>9905582
he's voting for Ocassio Cortez who's platform is literally hitler minus taking the bullet.

[Anonymous No.9905591]

>>9903868

I thought the map was showing where Negroids and the sand people will over run. But then I noticed the green bit in Africa. Carry on with your inane bullshit while I crank up the air conditioning.

[Anonymous No.9905592]

>>9905587
"some degree," is it worse based on total number of extinct species which would by your admission always be greater as time goes on?

[Anonymous No.9905609]

>>9905592
It's not proportional. The rate is fast as fuck boiii
Dinosaurs are the undisputable Kings of planet Earth. And trilobites of he ocean. This extinction is greater than that of the trilobite extinction
I don't have any sources btw but I'm sure I'm right.

There is such thing as the normal extinction rate and we've exceeded it by a larger margin than ever observed before.
Trilobites are arguable the most successful organisms on Earth. Nothing today really compares except for insects.
Vertebrates BTFO forever and ever.

[Anonymous No.9905611]

>>9905562
co2 be time traveling

[Anonymous No.9905620]

>>9905609
man all those at risk critters about to get a break

[Anonymous No.9905645]

>>9905620
Only if we stop destroying the Amazon
Every single tree could be home to a unique species.
We need to figure out shit out as a species.
>stop making babies
>stop building shit
>stop destroying shit
>just stop

[Anonymous No.9905658]

>>9903868
reminder that you are going to die regardless so whatever youre doing right now is useless

[Anonymous No.9905659]

>>9903900
How about dont vote and protest instead because American electoral candidates are universally the absolute fucking worst. You should probably protest your current legislature as well since its also chock full of 50 iq beasts.

[Anonymous No.9905660]

>>9905586

The fuck are you talking about, intergalactic rays? Multiply 288k by .003?

[Anonymous No.9905661]

>>9905586

I guess you've never heard about carbon dioxide.

[Anonymous No.9905663]

>>9904140
>The point is that the US has more money than China, so we can easily keep injecting the economy with money longer than China can. THIS is the point of a trade war. China will have to give in before us, and then we will win.
If your level of education is indicative of the average repub voter it suddenly all makes sense. Go cite some sources where a nation quantitatively won a trade war fiscally speaking. Let me just save you the time, you dont "win" a trade war by design everyone loses money. Saying you will win a trade war is like saying you will win a nuclear war.

[Anonymous No.9905666]

>>9905663

Gotta show em who's boss bro, you know what I'm saying? Schoolyard style.

[Anonymous No.9905670]

>>9905663
tomorrows generations win the trade war because of the lack of consumption today.

[Anonymous No.9905673]

>>9904474
>economically weaker country tries to abuse us in the international market
This narrative is patently false, the US has had the long end of the stick in every trade deal by virtue of total gdp and soft power. Trade agreements are not free markets and they are intentionally unfair so as to protect each nations more vulnerable sectors while profiting from its stronger ones. If you qualify proper negotiating as abuse then retaliation is hypocrisy.

[Anonymous No.9905679]

>>9905000
You are over blowing peoples ability to invest in the market. It has been shown multiple times that indexed funds outperform managed ones, additionally market crashes are extremely profitable for anyone with liquid capital and it takes almost no thought to reap large returns.

[Anonymous No.9905686]

>>9905670
Lol that will be the next trump claim to master plan 10d hyper chess.
>guys I knew if i started a trade war it would catalyze Americans and other western nations to abandon their paradigm of consumption, exploitation, and decadence
I already cant handle whenever someone says he solved north korea.

[Anonymous No.9905693]

>>9905247
Yfw biggest refugee crisis ever

[Anonymous No.9905694]

>>9905660
This was introduced as "no significant trend"

[Anonymous No.9905697]

>>9905663
Ironically Trump is already winning in Europe. If he shores up better deals with Japan, SK and gets a deal better than TTIP his legacy will be immortal.

[Anonymous No.9905700]

>>9905694
Sunspot activity doesn't account for global warming
>11 year sunspot cycle
>100 year warming trend
Not significant

[Anonymous No.9905704]

>>9905661
CO2 makes the sun brighter?

[Anonymous No.9905711]

>>9905704

No, but it does trap the energy the sun releases on the planet's surface.

[Anonymous No.9905716]

>>9905704

You knew it did that, right?

[Anonymous No.9905719]

>>9905704
sure as hell isn't making you brighter

[Anonymous No.9905746]

>>9904077
Politically they are no different, for the purposes displayed in this thread, she is possibly worse.

[Anonymous No.9905750]

>>9904183
>it's the third world that's the problem
your map just lines up with human population density, so it's unfair to blame the third world

[Anonymous No.9905751]

>>9904183
Dont forget more people living in poverty than ever before in human history. Hopefully Hans rosling is rosling in his grave.

[Anonymous No.9905756]

>>9903868
>all of china dies away

[Anonymous No.9905764]

>>9905218
Fellow kiwi here, don't be so smug. Already the South Island is having hellish summers, imagine our summers after a few decades of accelerating climate change. Unlike the Northern hemisphere, we don't have a boreal forest that will transform into a giant lush land ripe for habitation. We just have wild ocean for thousands of kilometres. We don't have a chance with colonising antarctica. Not even Australia has any power projection over the continent. USA, China and Russia will carve up the continent between each other once the continent has thawed out regions that can sustain civilisation, without any regard for the treaty that they never signed. WE ARE FUCKED.

[Anonymous No.9905770]

>>9905307
As a kiwi you should know very well that biodiversity never returns to original state. Despite our relentless war against introduced species, we have had no success outside small islands. The biodiversity will stabilise, but it will be extremely different.

[Anonymous No.9905773]

>>9905395
New Zealand is well known as the isolated safe space, so we definitetely aren't going to be safe in a SHTF scenario. There are plenty of islands that would be far safer to weather a catastrophe because nobody buys out their property to escape to.

[Anonymous No.9905774]

>>9905770
in another millions years the invasive species will be unique again due to evolution

[Anonymous No.9905831]

>>9904140

You don't win a trade war by default. In best case scenario you lose less, while crippling your opponent and forcing them to make political concessions. That's why it's called "war", you make sacrifices in order to achieve some political goal.

At truth to be told, I can't see America actually winning that. America can do much harm to China, but China just won't give in because their ruling party will lose all internal prestige and legitimacy. America is just too used to successfully bullying small Central American and Middle Eastern nations to comprehend that taking on something as big as China just can't work. Because China has other option and is frantically expanding its influence throughout Eurasia and Africa.

[Anonymous No.9905850]

>>9903868
>there are people that will see this and believe it
Fascinating...

[Anonymous No.9905857]

>>9905556

ice thickness is already above the 2004-2013 average

[Anonymous No.9905870]

>>9905679
>It has been shown multiple times that indexed funds outperform managed ones
I didn't dispute this. You have very basic investing knowledge but you don't actually understand what you're talking about. The percent return I gave was very fair for index funds, not that they were that popular back then. He wouldn't have more than ten million.
>additionally market crashes are extremely profitable for anyone with liquid capital
Would he have had any liquid capital? No, he would have already fully invested the original million dollars. Some markets never recover, as previously mentioned and your point is even more stupid because it implies he would have had the ability to time the market and make out like a bandit, which goes completely against your managed fund vs index fund point.

Only an absolute retard would look at historical data and assume he would have known the outcome, despite not even being a professional investor or have any real knowledge of the subject.

Serious question, are you trolling?

[Anonymous No.9905878]

>>9903868
Lies, most of the land will actually be better. It's only an issue for 3rd world shitholes (not even USA actually)

[Anonymous No.9905881]

Africa is already inhabitable because of niggers and Australia is already inhabitable because of emus, so I don't see how this would change 30 years in the future from when this was done

[Anonymous No.9905898]

>>9905878

THIS is why I can't trust Climate Change cucks...your image looks like something actually generated with data and meticulous projections.

OP's map looks like it was created by a Photoshop neophyte who simply superimposed a fucking rectangle over the land masses and hit flood fill...then added some half-ass coloring around the edges of Africa and Australia to make it look "authentic".

[Anonymous No.9905919]

>>9905898
Fuck off Biff.

[Anonymous No.9905996]

>>9905898
>man....it just feels right.....

[Anonymous No.9906235]

>>9905878
This. Agriculture in Canada, Russia, USA Midwest & North Europe, will benefit from Warming.

Australia & 3rd world will be fucked though
(Shitholes such as Africa, India, Latin America & MidEast)

[Anonymous No.9906249]

About 30 years ago there were scientists caught lying about the statistics and changing them. Because they were the only people who knew what the real numbers were nobody now knows wether the statistics can be trusted or not. That's why most of them get mad or dismiss ideas that the stats are wrong.

[Anonymous No.9906307]

>>9905700
the sun has more than 11 year cycles cuck lord

[Anonymous No.9906312]

>>9906307
the medieval warm period is a meme
The only reason we know about the maunder minimum is because Galileo was an autist.
Those long term sunspot trends aren't on a cycle.

[Anonymous No.9906382]

>>9906235
>Agriculture benefits from aridification
The Midwest is already going to run out of groundwater as is, wew lad.

[Anonymous No.9907334]

>>9904907
You're on 4chan. It's nothing out of the ordinary.

[Anonymous No.9907539]

>>9905519

[Anonymous No.9907541]

>>9903868
>kill all non-whites and Chinese
Problem solved. Name a global problem that this doesn't solve.

[Anonymous No.9907579]

>>9905582
>Using temperature instead of anomaly to exaggerate the difference
Really despicable.

And can you explain why the net affect of NOAA's adjustments is to reduce the global warming trend?

[Anonymous No.9907595]

>>9907541
That's the right-wing response to every problem isn't it, kill millions. You keep proving again and again that you have a mass of pure evil instead of anything resembling a heart.

[Anonymous No.9907606]

>>9905611

[Anonymous No.9907611]

>>9903868
fake news. Fear mongerer shills.

[Anonymous No.9907613]

>>9907595
What's your solution? Mine removes those that don't contribute to humanity, reduces resource consumption, reduces pollution, stops animals from going extinct, massively raises the average human IQ, cures most human diseases, etc

What does your solution do? Push the problem off for later.

[Anonymous No.9907619]

>>9905857
ice thickness is already above the 2004-2013 average
Wow, global warming BTFO. Ice volume has never gone above the most recent decadal average as you can see by this graph. Oh wait, it has all the time as it steadily melts. Do you ever get tired of your idiotic attempts to lie to people blow up in your face? You have zero credibility.

[Anonymous No.9907620]

>>9906307
None of the Sun's cycles produce radiative forcing even close to what's being observed. Try again.

[Anonymous No.9907634]

>>9907541

-Autism
-Women preferring chads and rich guys
-Furries
-Acidification of the oceans
-Tribalism between european nations in land grabs thus starting another world war
-Poverty which existed in pre-colonial Europe and continues to be an issue today
-Gambling
-Obesity
-People paying nonsensical amounts of money for meme consumer products like Apple electronics
-Invasive species brought over by trade equipment to foreign lands disturbing the local ecosystem
-Religon vs Atheism
-Flat Earthers
-Moon landing deniers

[Anonymous No.9907644]

1. CO2 and many other gases have "greenhouse" properties in that they allow visible light to pass through (hence invisible), but trap and re-emit infrared radiation. This is literally 19th century science, first proposed by Joseph Fourier in 1824, verified and quantified experimentally beyond reasonable doubt by Svante Arrhenius in the late 19th century

2. CO2 in the atmosphere has been rising, and this is a result of fossil fuel combustion (pic related). CO2 can be measured experimentally in the lab, and the stable isotopes of CO2 plunges into the negative values. Fossil fuel has distinct negative isotopic signature compared to natural CO2. This is also an undeniable fact from observation


3. You add 1+2, you would expect the radiative energy budget of the earth to be out of equilibrium. This is exactly what we observe, based on satellites that measures total energy in vs. energy out by CERES satellite at NASA.https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/EnergyBalance/page6.phpOn average, only 71% of energy entering the Earth is leaving. 2nd law of thermodynamics and conservation of energy states that when a system had energy imbalance, T must go up.

In short, CO2 causes greenhouse effect. Humans put CO2 into the atmosphere through fossil fuel burning. The earth is now in energy imbalance due to additional CO2, and therefore warming. All basic, high school physics that should be easy to understand and pretty much undeniable

[Anonymous No.9907646]

>>9906382
please. irrigation and diverting water is engineering childs play for any developed nation.

[Anonymous No.9907651]

>>9907613
Promotion, development and adoption of advanced technology, increased urbanization as urban locations are more efficient, reduce birth rates and provide an outlet for growth, protecting areas that have been emptied of people by urbanization and greening existing cities.

[Anonymous No.9907660]

>>9903900
>Unironically thinking that voting in America will change Chinese coal burning
As far as I know the dems only offer meme energy sources like solar or wind. Nuclear or gtfo

[Anonymous No.9907661]

>>9907634
>-Autism
This is a benefit. Crippling autism is very rare.

>-Women preferring chads and rich guys
Not a problem. Human wombs will become viable soon. All that needs to be done is return order to the world and make all newly born women property, and the problem solves itself. Who cares about Stacey when you have a harem?

>-Acidification of the oceans
This one is actually solved.

>-Tribalism between european nations in land grabs thus starting another world war
America gets all of the Americas and then supports the nips and gooks. Africa becomes it's own nation and returns to the Rhodesians. Either way, worth it.

>-Poverty which existed in pre-colonial Europe and continues to be an issue today
Poverty is a meme word with a government defined definition that use used to justify socialism/communism. It has absolutely nothing to do with objective reality.

>-Gambling
You're reaching...

>-Obesity
Got me there. But consider the following: With non-whites removed, america becomes substantially less obese.

>-People paying nonsensical amounts of money for meme consumer products like Apple electronics
this too is a problem.

>-Invasive species brought over by trade equipment to foreign lands disturbing the local ecosystem
Yeah... lots of plants/animals in a machine shop...

>-Religon vs Atheism
Muslims are mostly dead, not an issue.

>-Flat Earthers
>-Moon landing deniers
Who cares? That's not a problem.

[Anonymous No.9907666]

>>9907651
>increasing their consumption will solve the problem
... You don't understand the issue.

[Anonymous No.9907667]

>>9906382
>The Midwest is already going to run out of groundwater as is, wew lad.
If Great Lakes dry out, which is very very unlikely you can still pump water from Canada or desalinize the sea water.

[Anonymous No.9907668]

>>9907666
My point was that urbanization reduces consumption, due to both being more efficient due to the benefits of economies of scale and the reduced birthrate that comes with it.

[Anonymous No.9907675]

>>9907668
birthrate doesn't matter if you enable them to have a population boom.
5 billion growing at 2.1 is not better than 0 growing at 0.

[Anonymous No.9907701]

>>9907660
China is taking active measures to decrease emissions in every sector, including coal. The only major polluter that isn't is the USA, and a lot of other countries that are trying are failing because of energy demands from, again, the USA. India and China, the big polluters, are doing more than the US to reduce their emissions output and institute sound environmental policy.

[Anonymous No.9907713]

>>9907701
China is cheating though. They're moving big polluting industry to Africa.

[Anonymous No.9907720]

>>9907713
So does Europe and North America.

But they actually have to start reducing their footprint if they want to keep selling to people like WalMart, who have started to track the carbon footprint of the products they sell.

https://news.walmart.com/2018/03/29/walmart-commits-to-reduce-emissions-by-50-million-metric-tons-in-china

[Anonymous No.9907726]

>>9903868
>when you already live in the green.

[Anonymous No.9907739]

>>9903868
post current nebulous habitability map thanks, i'd like to see the difference

[Anonymous No.9907746]

>>9907739
it's too jpg'y, I can't paint bucket effectively.

[Anonymous No.9907751]

>>9905182
>dodges it

Oh, ok.

[Anonymous No.9907758]

They talk as if 5c+ will end the world but it was 10c hotter in the Jurassic era and there was more livable land and enough plantlife to support more o2 for larger creatures.
All the temperate areas became jungle and the tundras will become temperate.

[Anonymous No.9907763]

>>9907668
So basically everything we have been doing so far, we should continue doing, right? It's all been working out quite well. Just have faith in the miracles of industrialization.

[Anonymous No.9907766]

>>9907675
You simply don't get it. Without a population growth rate of at least 2.5% per year, the economy will crash and everyone will die horribly. We need to grow at 2.5% per year FOREVER.

[Anonymous No.9907767]

>>9907758
Unfortunately humans are not dinosaurs.

[Anonymous No.9907769]

>>9907651
>we just need to plant some trees in our fast growing mega cities and tax carbon and everything will be hunky dory.

[Anonymous No.9907771]

>>9907766
Or we kill the non-whites and automate and then enjoy a boom and then a sustainable 2.5% growth for as long as it takes for more races to develop.

[Anonymous No.9907773]

>>9905870
Serious question, do you always infer and then respond to your inference as opposed to what was written? The point is simply that it does not take a great deal of talent or education to profit from market crashes. Any serious investor increases his liquidity as volatility rises if they expect a crash and then buys into blue chip stocks when they are down. Optionally you could simply go bullish on gold as volatility rises.

[Anonymous No.9907776]

>>9905697
Not sure how you figure that, merkels first act out of that trade meeting was to go to macron and basically say we are on our own.

[Anonymous No.9907781]

>>9907758
>different landmass
>different ecology
>different atmosphere
>no industry
>different weather
This is the best shitpost I have seen in ages.

[Anonymous No.9907804]

>>9907781
I'm sure it will work itself out in a few thousand years of it.

[Anonymous No.9907808]

>>9905368
Are you OK, nigger? A rise in 4 degrees will do nothing to agriculture in first world countries. It's called vertical indoor farming and I'm sorry whatever shithole you are from can't afford to do it, consider saving your monopoly money for 30 years and trying to move to a better place.

[Anonymous No.9907813]

>>9907808
>trying to move to a better place.
fuck off, we're all full and way over capacity wrt sub-humans.

[Anonymous No.9907815]

>>9907813
Don't worry, Tradeu will take them straight to Canada

[Anonymous No.9907816]

>>9907579
>Thermometers LIE.
No, global warming "scientists" lie.

[Anonymous No.9907826]

The real question is how do we first-worlders protect ourselves from the nigger hordes. I'm not so worried about different climates as much as about ravaging pooskin armies.

[Anonymous No.9907848]

>>9907660
China is far more green than the U.S. and has a fraction of its pollution:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
>China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over double the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States. In 2013 the country had a total capacity of 378 GW of renewable power, mainly from hydroelectric and wind power. China's renewable energy sector is growing faster than its fossil fuels and nuclear power capacity.
And nuclear power is a fucking meme. They're not profitable in the U.S., ever, even with heavy government subsidiesm

[Anonymous No.9907854]

>>9904127
>Trump is a billionaire, from a millionaire father. He has a higher education than even you.
Sure he does. He totally did not just get passed despite being stupid because his dad was rich. That could never happen.

His business management decisions are objectively terrible. The S&P 500, the safest investment in the business that is often used to gauge other investments, would have made him worth $16 billion right now if he liquidated and invested the $200 million real estate company he inherited in 1973, and reinvested the dividends. Instead he's having arguments about whether he's really worth $3 billion.

[Anonymous No.9907868]

>>9907848
>And nuclear power is a fucking meme.
>They're not profitable in the U.S., ever, even with heavy government subsidies
Regulatory issues can be addressed. Modern reactor designs are substantially safer during operation. Waste is a perennial problem, but Yucca Mountain and other sites, as well as reprocessing, could provide better solutions than on-site storage. Nuclear emits no CO2 and less local radiation than a coal plant, and there's enough uranium to last decades at least. It is an absolutely essential pillar of the energy transition and should have broad support, but confusingly does not.

[Anonymous No.9907873]

>>9907868
They're just not viable compared to solar and wind. Reactors that are currently losing money have all long since paid down their capital costs. Due to a combination of renewable energy subsidies and cheap natural gas, these reactors are literally not making enough money for operations. In states like California nuclear reactors have to pay the utilities company take their energy during solar peak times. China builds AP1000s for about $2.6b/GW and it's still pursuing hundreds of billions in renewable energy investments because the government thinks renewable prices will be even lower than their cheap nuclear construction and lenient regulations.

[Anonymous No.9907877]

>>9905878
if you understood anything about ecology you'd know how scary this image really is
these kinds of changes over a century are huge and will fuck up the natural world in ways we can't even predict

[Anonymous No.9907881]

>>9907873
What? Solar and wind cannot be scaled up to meet demand. Nuclear can. High costs are partly due to on site waste storage costs, but this energy source will be rendered profitable if coal is made less profitable. We can't keep burning coal. Nuclear and renewables should be the plan for the next decades.

[Anonymous No.9907885]

>>9907854
Trump is a cheating thief
https://youtu.be/aL_0PZuJVLk?t=11s

[Anonymous No.9907911]

>He posts a source almost a decade old
You're trash.

[Anonymous No.9908040]

>>9907877
fuck nature and fuck ecology

[Anonymous No.9908072]

>>9907773
Are you always this much of a pussy that refuses to answer almost everything I said and then project that I was trying to do the same?
>The point is simply that it does not take a great deal of talent or education to profit from market crashes.
Yes, yes it does. You're just some idiot looking at a historical price graph. You don't know when to pull your money out, if it's a correction or real crash, where the bottom of the market is, if the stock prices will recover or not. The market isn't rational. Even if you time the market perfectly, you still wouldn't return more than an extra 50% roughly once a decade or two. If professional traders supported by top economists can't do it, some shit eating retarded can't either.

>Any serious investor increases his liquidity as volatility rises if they expect a crash and then buys into blue chip stocks when they are down. Optionally you could simply go bullish on gold as volatility rises.
Brainlet.jpg You are making me cringe with your yahoo finance verbatim 'knowledge'. Do you have any real experience trading millions of dollars? Have you returned, outside of crypto, 10,000% with real money like you allege it would have been easy for Trump to have done? No? Then shut the fuck up you obnoxious faggot.

[Anonymous No.9908552]

>>9907769
> fast growing mega cities
Reminder that Population is declining in 1st world due to low birth rate.

Although EU is trying to """(((solve)))""" the birth rate issue by importing Muslims and Black people.

[Anonymous No.9908559]

It's fucking fucked mate. Big time.

[Anonymous No.9908610]

>>9908072
Yeah, but trump is a time traveler.
(sorry, I have my baron trump images mislabeled)

[Anonymous No.9908627]

>MFW This thread
Oh god I'm having a fucking panic attack

[Anonymous No.9908631]

>>9908627
Spoilers don't appear to work here.
Huh.

[Anonymous No.9908642]

>>9908627
Arctic & Antartica will be warm & habitable, you would be able to grow Bananas & Avocados in Scandinavia & that's a good thing

>>9903868
>most of the world is going to be uninhabitable
*Moves to Green part*
Problem Solved

[Anonymous No.9908664]

>>9903868
I'm Dutch. We'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.9908669]

>>9907620
woah good buzz-word! .003 increase ini TSI times 280 Kelvin average temperature is how many degrees of warming?

[Anonymous No.9908670]

>>9908642
Wouldn't having areas with massive citys rendered inhabitable cause societal collapse?

[Anonymous No.9908672]

>>9907606
any non-retard can see what you did to that graph

[Anonymous No.9908685]

>>9908670
The best will survive.

The best 10% will sunbath in a Tropical Arctic under Palm trees.

If 90% of world dies that's not my business.
& I couldn't care less about 3rd World.

China is the largest CO2 polluter of all.
Even if Europe cut CO2 even more the Tropical Arctic outcome would happen anyways because OTAN hasn't balls to warn & threaten China.

[Anonymous No.9908787]

>>9903900
begone soimongrel

[Anonymous No.9908793]

>>9905569
>>9905576
Was just lurking and saw this conversation, I would be extremely wary of modern extinction rate data that isn't supported by known species' extinctions being confirmed. Popsci shits have been regurgitating data from decades old studies that extrapolated extinction rates based on further extrapolating total species on earth. This method has been thoroughly debunked for some time but as we're all too aware Popsci shits just Google stuff and decide on the first result without further inquiry. Current mass extinction is pretty bad, and should not be ignored, but it's important not to spread falsehoods and debunked data as it only makes people suspicious of real scientific studies when they learn they've been fed lies. On this point our actual robust data on holocene extinction rates puts us significantly below some known mass extinctions either in total species % loss or rate of extinctions. To be clear we're still in very deep shit, other issue is people seeing "see its not as bad as we thought" and thinking everything is fine now.

[Anonymous No.9908804]

>>9908793
>it only makes people suspicious of real scientific studies when they learn they've been fed lies

2008 ABC News prediction:
New York will be Underwater by 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaOGPcmyN54

[Anonymous No.9908810]

>>9908793 >>9908804
2018 & New York is fine
"see its not as bad as we thought"

[Anonymous No.9908842]

climate fags nevar luuk at the graphs with h20 included

[Anonymous No.9908846]

>>9908804
>>9908810
Sensationalism is also another myopic habit, especially with regards to climate change. Some will argue
>but it's the only way to make people act!
Except when these exaggerations don't turn out to be true, you've at best bought a few years of moderate to minimal "action" at the cost of losing even more public support to your opposition. Also this is entirely unrelated but nuclear fission plants should be replacing fossil fuel plants where possible. The only real downside of nuclear is its extreme long and short term cost, though to be frank this is a manufactured issue of treating power generation as a business rather than something essential to modern civilization. Those with the power and finances don't want nuclear because the investment is huge and it only increases the supply of energy and thusly reduces the price of it. Fuel and waste are red herrings, breeders and water extracted uranium basically give us limitless fuel and waste can be safely sequestered in facilities like Yucca Mountain with no short or long term effects. That being said fission should just be a stopgap to allow for solar, wind, and geothermal (hydroelectric is rather destructive, it's only good for keeping the air clean) to develop adequately and then it isn't really needed for general purposes.

[Anonymous No.9908883]

>>9908846
>Also this is entirely unrelated but nuclear fission plants should be replacing fossil fuel plants where possible.
Fuck you nigger faggot. Fissionable material is finite and ever decreasing; it should only be used among the stars, in jets, or in warheads.

>though to be frank this is a manufactured issue of treating power generation as a business rather than something essential to modern civilization.
You're either an incompetent economically illiterate marxist or making a meaningless 'poetic' statement.

>basically give us limitless fuel
No. While (potentially) less severe than electric vehicles, nuclear suffers from the same blind idealism where only the energy impact of the final leg is considered rather than the overall impact.

>solar, wind, and geothermal (hydroelectric
Other than solar, those are all stupid. Molten salt loops and parabolic troughs are the future. Panels for the northern regions. Geothermal is trading the lifespan of the planet in exchange for short term convenience. (the surface radiates off more heat than it takes in)

[Anonymous No.9908982]

>>9908883
new fags never heard of a breeder reactor

[Anonymous No.9908990]

>>9908982
Correct me if I am wrong, but breeders are not a net energy gain.

[Anonymous No.9908993]

>>9905751
There are more people living than ever before so that's a stupid comparison. As a global percentage, poverty is lower than it's ever been.

[Anonymous No.9908998]

>>9903900
>Dont vote Republican
That is exactly the problem with a two party system. I would be willing to wager that a large number of republican voters would support renewable energy, and cleaner industrial facilities. They are not, however, willing to vote for Hillary “human trafficker” Clinton to get that done. The system is broken. Dont vote at all, burn the entire shit down.

[Anonymous No.9909003]

>>9903868
Its really hard to take these climate graphs seriously when 12 years ago, they were all claiming i would already be underwater by now.

[Anonymous No.9909014]

>>9908998
There are still useful idiots out there voting for the 2 party system and more people didn't vote in 2016 than voted for either candidate. The only real choice is to keep electing manic retards like Trump that prove the system (((magically))) stays the course regardless of who the people "elect".

[Anonymous No.9909036]

>>9909014
You misunderstood me. I propose we literally set fire to voting machines.

[Anonymous No.9909063]

>>9909003

That process is still underway... So rather than looking at the failed predictions of a few outliers, why not continue to observe the general trend?

[Anonymous No.9909096]

>>9908883
We're in no danger of depleting stores of uranium if we extract it from seawater, which is then replenished by the uranium rich seafloor. The only stores in danger of depletion are those from mines. Initially water extraction will be more expensive but that is only true until you begin powering extraction with a nuclear grid itself. Wind and Geothermal are not catch all, I should have been more clear on that, they are ideal for very specific regions and would have to be applied appropriately (in limited numbers). I explicitly said that hydro was not a good "clean" energy source because it does excessive damage to the surrounding areas as long as they exist and only have the benefit of not producing air pollution. Also regarding the economics question I'm not saying anything like "dude everything should be free man..." or such nonsense. I'm simply stating the fact that if the world actually needed the replace its existing power generation infrastructure with fision plants it is entirely capable of doing so in terms of actual tangible resources required. The barriers and consequences are economic, this would only be an option for developed nations and it would damage their economies. I simply believe it is worth the damage (which will not be apocalyptic) , it is a stopgap after all. However I fully admit this is the best argument against nuclear fision and I would wager most consider the cost too high. It isn't a silver bullet but it's the fastest and most effective way to transform the global power infrastructure from its current state.

[Anonymous No.9909334]

>>9909063
Yes and earth goes through these cycles every few thousand years. Im not saying climate change doesnt need to be addressed, it does. What i am saying is that OPs pic, thread, and general attitude(also your pic) is propaganda that has been verifiably proven false and has no place in fact based discussions. Most of the world will likely still be habitable in 30 years, ice caps melt and recede over several thousand year cycles. Your pic would likely still be the case even if humans never existed, possibly accelerated by a few decades, but nonetheless its propaganda that has no real meaning.

[Anonymous No.9909347]

>>9909334

I asked this question in another thread, and I'm going to ask it again here.

Who here, reading this thread, DOESN'T think that digging up and combusting hundreds of billions of metric tons of carbon would have ANY effect on the atmosphere?

[Anonymous No.9909365]

>>9909347
Im sure it has an effect. It cant be good for the air we breathe either. The problem is that “climate scientists” have been claiming this global catastrophic warming would happen “within the next 5 years” for the past 20+ years. Dont post factually inaccurate blatant propaganda to try to sway people to your side of the arguement. Its an insult to everyone’s intelligence when pics like OPs are expected to be taken seriously. Go watch “An Inconvinient Truth” and count how many times Al Gore makes a prediction that time has proven wrong. These climate change info graphics have done more damage to the green movement than the climate deniers have, because every time they are proven false you lose a few more to the climate deniers side.

Instead of fear mongering, make conservative estimates on the rate of climate change, then present your case as to why we cannot wait until the last minute. You know, like every other field of study in existence.

[Anonymous No.9909368]

>>9909365

Fuck, Al Gore. Alright? I'm worried about the opinions of legit scientists, working in the field, publishing peer reviewed literature demonstrating UN-EQUIVACALLY, that the methane hydrates currently embedded in the siberian arctic shelf are being destabalized, and what this implies for the future of our race is catastrophe, UNDENIABLY.

Who cares that among MILLIONS of people, with millions of differen't viewpoints, that a few of those people, most of them unqualified, gave a couple of predictions that proved to be untrue? Does that mean that global warming ISN'T happening and that is ISN'T an existential threat to our future? Absolutely not.

[Anonymous No.9909372]

Human life wasn't meant to last forever... But it will continue on in some way or another regardless of the climate

[Anonymous No.9909375]

>>9903868
>and if you're not working on solution right now whatever you're doing is useless.
What if I'm doing mathematics, and my research will transcend humanity and inspire more advanced civilizations?

[Anonymous No.9909379]

>>9909372
That's a nice thought, but we can't be sure of that

Sure, humans are amazing and have shown incredible abilities, but there's a limit to what we can do
And we might reach the point of no return in this earth-ruining business

[Anonymous No.9909382]

>>9909365

Here comes Shakova et al with the news: Bad... good... All of that is subjective. The information tells it's own story and then the human mind interprets it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ

Ok? Here she summarizes her opinions after years of working in the field.

And HERE is her evidence to support her claims.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15872

For YOUR convenience, I will highlight the models demonstrating methane destabilization.

" In 2008, the top boundary of this acoustic anomaly was located ∼5m below the seafloor; (b) in 2011, the position of the top boundary of this acoustic anomaly was reaching the seafloor, causing doming of the surface layer of sediments. During the survey in 2011, bubble plumes of CH4 releasing to the water column from the seafloor were observed at this site; multiple pockmarks in the seafloor were also documented within the site as shown in Fig. 6b."

[Anonymous No.9909388]

>>9909379
We leave Earth or we stay until it becomes uninhabitable and we die anyways. Let's focus our population eugenically and then deal with fixing the climate and exploring space without such a shit population

[Anonymous No.9909401]

>>9909365
>These climate change info graphics have done more damage to the green movement than the climate deniers have, because every time they are proven false you lose a few more to the climate deniers side.
This. I am not opposed to the idea that effect are being magnified by the actions of man, but sophistry, trash evidence, and screeching to give up all my rights, and 'solutions' that conveniently involve an even bigger increase in government than FDR caused cast extreme doubts onto the entire movement.

>Instead of fear mongering, make conservative estimates on the rate of climate change, then present your case as to why we cannot wait until the last minute. You know, like every other field of study in existence.
This. It also doesn't help that the solutions touted by the global warming faggots are inherently flawed things like pure electric vehicles and the movement primarily consists of retarded eco-terrorists and retarded virtue signalers.

[Anonymous No.9909406]

>>9909388

As soon as the damage becomes irreversible (which for all practical intents and purposes, it already is), and the social systems keeping us fed and comfortable breakdown I am SURE that the human race will descend into the racist, ignorant, savage, superstitious barbarism that it always has in these circumstances, and you will get your wish. The idea that we would then magically fix the situation and explore space with a race of super-people is a fantastic leap of logic with no basis in reality.

[Anonymous No.9909418]

>>9909406
>The idea that we would then magically fix the situation and explore space with a race of super-people is a fantastic leap of logic with no basis in reality.
All we need is to just kill the non-whites and chinese, and then institute a eugenics colony for a few generations.

[Anonymous No.9909446]

>>9909418

Ok, so we kill all the non-whites. (Chinese people are nonwhite, so we'll just eliminate that particular redundancy in your statement). After that, we institute a eugenics colony.

How does this solve our problems? In your own words, I'm open to all suggestions.

[Anonymous No.9909465]

>>9909406
What is the irreversible damage? That the Earth won't stay exactly as it was at one moment in time forever? Or that we're doomed to certain extinction because we crossed some watershed moment?

[Anonymous No.9909467]

>>9909406
I get a chuckle out of progressives like you who think you are holier than nature itself.

>Everyone was retarded until I came along with my brilliant social engineering strategy which will lead us to Utopia.

[Anonymous No.9909475]

>>9909465

What is the irreversible damage? The irreversible damage is the build up of concentrations of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere that will lead to catastrophic warming of our planet and the destabilization of climate systems that we depend on for our agriculture, and by extension, our survival.

We are not doomed to certain extinction, because nothing is certain, but if we do nothing, we improve those odds such that the degree of certainty becomes PROBABLE.

[Anonymous No.9909479]

>>9909467

I was responding to his social engineering strategy, and have no such strategy myself. I think you may have misinterpreted what was written.

[Anonymous No.9909492]

>>9909418

>Kill non-whites
>Let's just get rid of genomes with higher bone density/uv resistance and higher IQ/ longer life span

[Anonymous No.9909498]

>>9909406
I was telling the bloated consumers 10 years ago that if they use up their non-renewable resources too quickly, life will get very difficult for them, and they'll start blaming minorities for their problems. They called me a radical environmentalist, a hippy, a chicken little, etc.. Back then nobody would have predicted a trump, not even me. It's happening faster than anyone ever expected, and it's only going to get worse.

[Anonymous No.9909502]

>>9909446
>How does this solve our problems?
Consumption is drastically reduced, and projected consumption and growth is sustainable.
The march towards K 0.5 civilization continues to progress. Eventually we will move from harvesting petrochem to 100% synthesis. Then, like lumber it would be 100% sustainable and carbon neutral.

[Anonymous No.9909507]

>>9909498
What were you doing in the third world a decade ago?

[Anonymous No.9909511]

>>9903868
>all of new zealand remains habitable
Guess I would just move back home.

[Anonymous No.9909516]

>>9909502

>Consumption

Not him but are you retarded? Your logic would actually imply that everyone except the Japanese would need to be killed off if we are aiming for a balance of consumption/tech development/IQ rate. Whites are just as bad as the Chinese in that respect.

[Anonymous No.9909526]

>>9909498
Sierra Club cucked on race and let the worst consumers breed

[Anonymous No.9909531]

>>9909502

If the climate system falls apart and if the global average temperature rises SIX centigrade or even FOUR, reducing the rate of consumption will be besides the point, we'll have no more arable land and fresh water.

And how does getting rid of nonwhites help us with this? The Chinese are further along the renewable energy path than the United States is.

And again, being carbon neutral is not the solution. We're already past the point of no return. Carbon neutrality was a necessity twenty years ago. Today, in my opinion, the only thing left to do is plan for post apocalyptic life.

[Anonymous No.9909539]

>>9909516
Who cares? We would have eliminated all the bad blood and culture in the world, and the growth just need to be sustainable until we naturally become carbon neutral.

Also, in what world are the chinese not worse than americans wrt the environment/consumption?

[Anonymous No.9909554]

>>9909539

Well for one thing, they are outspending the united states in the development of clean energy technology three to one.

[Anonymous No.9909555]

>>9909531
Carbon neutrality is a good solution because carbon is sequestered naturally by several mechanisms so by not introducing new carbon into the atmosphere it's only a matter of time until we revert back to pre-industrial levels. And in the meantime we might even figure out a way to accelerate the process.

[Anonymous No.9909566]

>>9909555

Alright, I like where this is going. That's definitely a start and at least we're moving in the right direction.

[Anonymous No.9909567]

>>9909554
You fucking idiot. It does not matter how much they're "spending" on clean energy if they're still using more non-clean energy.

That's like saying fatty wins because he eats more spinach even though he eats all the burgers.

[Anonymous No.9909573]

>>9909526
whites are still the worst consumers. sad but true.
And some of the most vocal anti-racist environmentalists are literally profiting from the increase in minority population. The minorities don't know it but they're being used.

[Anonymous No.9909574]

>>9909531
>we'll have no more arable land and fresh water.
No. Consider the following: lake tahoe exists, the great lakes exist. There is more than a 6 degree difference between the average temperature of those two.
There is not that much water that is above above sea level, there would be next to no impact. The tides have substantially more impact than what would happen.
There is more than a 6 degree difference between california and north dakota. Both grow fuck loads.

>And how does getting rid of nonwhites help us with this?
Reduces consumption and raises global IQ substantially, makes the future of humanity sustainable.

>The Chinese are further along the renewable energy path than the United States is.
>muh 3 gorges

>being carbon neutral is not the solution.
It literally is. Sequestration naturally occurs.

>We're already past the point of no return.
Sick assertion. I'm sure the models that say that have really great predictive capability and mesh with the past perfectly...

>Today, in my opinion, the only thing left to do is plan for post apocalyptic life.
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.9909578]

>>9909567

Hey guy, I'm not calling you names.

All I'm saying is this, the Chinese recognize there's a problem, that they're a part of it, and they're taking steps to solve it.

Our President thinks that because it's snowing global warming is a hoax. I mean, I rest my case.

AND he's a white guy (which is irrelevant).

[Anonymous No.9909587]

>>9909578
>they're taking steps to solve it.
I disagree.

[Anonymous No.9909597]

>>9909574

Yeah, of course there is, but that's a 6 degree difference between one location and another, not a six degree difference in the global average.

And actually, the asian countries have the highest IQ averages in the world.

And keep in mind, although I am patiently indulging you guys, just be aware that expressing the viewpoints of a genocidal racist piece of trash would disqualify your opinion in every serious intellectual conversation regardless of the subject. I'm not saying that's what you ARE, but I am saying that's what you sound like.

Sequestration DOES happen naturally... if there are trees and plankton left to sequester it.

[Anonymous No.9909621]

>>9909597
It's almost like you're ignorant of human history, the cultures of the world, the historical impact that culture has had in the past 500 years, heat transport, chemistry, violent crime statistics, I got bored but you get the point. You're willfully ignorant, shitposting, and have reddit spacing.

[Anonymous No.9909642]

>>9909036
Kek this also works

[Anonymous No.9909660]

>>9909539
>Also, in what world are the chinese not worse than americans wrt the environment/consumption

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household_final_consumption_expenditure_per_capita

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_energy_intake

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/08/which-countries-waste-the-most-food/

www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/FCAE1BC4-3C7C-11E7-A2B2-665E119D65B4

Only in net pollution does the US fair better than China but that wasn't until very recently in 2013.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

[Anonymous No.9909668]

>>9909621

>>9909621

Well, I am ignorant of many things, so you're not exactly wrong... but at the same time, I don't think you have anything left to argue, so resorting to the ad hominem and claiming boredom is an easy way for you to leave the conversation while saving face.

Just between you and me, man, I hate the nogs for the most part also, but I'm not going to let my personal feelings get in the way of what's right and my better judgement, and you shouldn't either, unless you're content being a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.9909874]

>>9908990
You're very, very wrong, numerous breeder reactors had a breeding ratio over 1. Not to mention that seawater contains enough uranium for tens of thousands of years at current global power supply.

[Anonymous No.9910112]

>>9909063
because the trend is reversing during a half solar cycle and will continue to be reversed until the end of the solar minimum?

[Anonymous No.9910114]

>>9908990
lol wut? that would be an interesting article to laugh at

[Anonymous No.9910353]

>>9907579
NO! ADJUSTEMENTS ARE EBIL D:
>>9905582
YAY! ADJUSTEMENTS ARE GRED :DDDDDDD

ME LIKES WHEN CURVE GOES DOWN!!!!! :DDDD

[Anonymous No.9910384]

>>9909660
>Only in net pollution

[Anonymous No.9911179]

>>9908804
Okay, now name an actual climatologist who predicted this.

[Anonymous No.9911183]

>>9909401
>virtue signallers