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/engi/ - Engineering General Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:16:17 2018 No.9899420 [Reply] [Original]

Have you found a job yet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:18:32 2018 No.9899425 >Engineering not science or math

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:35:02 2018 No.9899454 Should I go into academia or industry boys? EE btw, from Latin America

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:39:54 2018 No.9899466 File: 920 KB, 4885x1430, NMT.color3_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:48:36 2018 No.9899487 Yea I have

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:33:33 2018 No.9899718 How do I lie about having an internship?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:38:44 2018 No.9899737 >>9899718 Get an internship. They're not exactly difficult.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:56:32 2018 No.9899766 >>9899425 it's both :^) besides, this board is the best fit. like half the people here are engineers or engineering students

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:56:56 2018 No.9899767 >>9899737 it's too late

>>	The Lord Sat Jul 28 15:10:00 2018 No.9899792 File: 356 KB, 669x461, CUBES___xm298x2ynrcyhyh44574tvgt737rijc8cnbhdxnjxm9kqma9ksdaqzjddddxx928ygh8g++++.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:17:52 2018 No.9899804 >>9899767 Time to jump ship then brainlet There's too many shit engineers in the world as it is. If you can't get an internship in undergrad then you'll be shit in the real world

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:48:38 2018 No.9899862
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I'm JUST starting my upper division classes. I'm one math class away from finishing lower div along with MatLab.

Should I start internships now? Should I accept any bullshit one just to put it in my resume? I'm older than most undergrads because I switched majors and I have more job experience (not related to Eng) than nearly all of my classmates.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:50:15 2018 No.9899863 Yea, I do garden work for 5$ a hour.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:05:30 2018 No.9899890 >>9899804 >jump ship i graduated already

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:12:43 2018 No.9899904

Starting in a machine shop after next week.
>the second thing they mention in the brochure is that you'll be working up to 60hrs overtime since it's gonna be fall season soon and if they don't like you within 90 days they can release you without reason
y-you too

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:20:07 2018 No.9899923

>>9899862
>Should I start internships now? Should I accept any bullshit one just to put it in my resume?

Yes and yes. You need an internship to get an internship nowadays. Especially if you are gunning for a “prestigious” company. Every Mech E I met got a reality check when his apps to Rolls Royce and Skunk Works get trash manned.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:23:45 2018 No.9899931 >>9899862 Also, what kind of experience do you have? It may be more applicable than you think

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:27:10 2018 No.9899939 >>9899890 >Brainlet doesn't realize you can jump ship anytime No wonder you didn't intern Jesus... Since you're a brainlet I'll explain, you can jump ship with anything at anytime

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:31:07 2018 No.9899944 >>9899890 No it’s not to late. You are just going to be one of those shameful engineers who work for peanuts for the first 2 years after graduation. I hope you have an amazing academic record or personal portfolio.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:40:55 2018 No.9899969

>>9899420
genuine question: why are engineers so eager to work for other people?

its like engineering programs are designed to attract/mold people whose ultimate goal is to be brain slaves.

you guys move wherever your employer demands and then piss away your "good" salaries on the cost of living in whatever city the master tells you to live in.

i honestly think there is something about engineering programs and the people thag are drawn to them that makes their graduates much more likely to whore out their brains than to think for themselves about how to improve their own life and their family's lives.

The Lord Sat Jul 28 16:41:22 2018 No.9899972

>>9899863
If I hadn't proven myself to be the most successful living physicist then I would look into that type of work, and I have had that type of work before, and office work. However, since I have proven
>over and over and over
>and fucking over and over
that I am the best physicist, bar none, worldwide, I am going make a big deal about how stupid it is that they throw money at people less qualified than myself to the type work I very much want to do. I would say more than 90% of those employed in jobs like the one I would accept have never had an original contribution in science, and certainly not a dozen of them like I've had.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:42:08 2018 No.9899976 >>9899454 ridiculously vague question. if you are asking anonymous people to make this decision for you on the internet, you need to do some soul searching.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:42:15 2018 No.9899977 >>9899454 Which EE field?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:55:20 2018 No.9900008

>>9899969
Intrinsic value of the position. Very few recent engineering grads have the experience to just go straight into consulting or freelance design (which you probably need a PE for anyways). Getting on with a good company will put tech and resources into your hands that you’d otherwise have to come out of pocket for. More importantly, 20 years isn’t even half a career nowadays. The typical path for every “one-man band” Engineer I’ve ever met has been to company hop for 10-15, pick up more credentials and do some networking, then branch out into contract/freelance.

That 10-15 year point is also where a company will apply the ol’ golden handcuffs and complacent (or content) engineers will just go into cruise control till they retire.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:01:53 2018 No.9900028 >>9900008 not him, but how often would you recommend someone to company hop? every 2 years or so? graduating with an MS in photonics/EE next Spring hopefully

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:04:31 2018 No.9900041 >>9900028 3-5 is a pretty standard cadence, hence why many job postings say “3-5 years exp required”

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:09:41 2018 No.9900058

>>9900008
yeah that makes sense.

i feel like a lot of engineers have this mentality of "im goin to go to engineering school to learn how to make things and then ill suck up to people in hopes of them telling me what to make and where to live"

whereas people that actually want to make things just start making things and iterating and exploring.

i worked as an engineer for a while after graduating (physics) at a drone company. the lead engineer was only in his early thirties and he was a fucking beast. could do everything from aesthetic design, aerodynamic design, control design, make carbon fiber parts, etc etc.

i came from the slave mindset of "get good grades and then someone will tell u what to do and pay u."

as i got to know this guy, i found out he had barely passed uni at a mediocre state school, but he had been building his own rc airplanes and helicopters since he was 6 years old. designing and carving his own wooden frames etc etc etc.

he was by far the best engineer and had seniority over older engineers that had worked at boeing etc (who were all pretty garbage engineers and werejust there for the paycheck).

this guy would have built airplanes no matter what, so he became an expert at his craft. and it turns out someone wanted to pay him $$$ for it.

he met the founder of the company at an rc plane competition, and he said that if he hadnt wmet this founder his plan was to just take over his dads upholstery business.

anyway thats quite the rant. basically i think most engineers dont give a fuck about building things but just want good boy points and a fancy title. this slows down the pace of innovation overall.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:17:02 2018 No.9900090
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how much easier will it be to get a second internship after my first one? more specifically my first one was more like hardware engineering and hope my second one is more optoelectronics, lasers, etc related. Major is EE

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:17:09 2018 No.9900091 >>9899904 What kind of machine shop? What do you guys make?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:23:00 2018 No.9900109

>>9900090
i dont understand? why lasers? is it an associative brain thing? where lasers were presented as sciency and cool to you when you were a kid so you ran with it? do you want to tell people you work with lasers so they think u r sciency and cool?

im not trying to be a dick, just trying to understand. it seems weird to focus on a specific tool/technology rather than a problem you are trying to solve.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:23:01 2018 No.9900110 >>9900090 It doesn’t get easier because you should be shooting for bigger and more ambitious internships every time.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:24:34 2018 No.9900116

Most internships in my area are 6 months min. Would it look bad if i worked 3 months and then quit (so i only worked in holydays)? Next year I have to take 16 annual classes (morning and evening classes), so i wont have any time to work. But i dont want to graduate without any internship done.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:30:49 2018 No.9900139

>>9900058
>i feel like a lot of engineers have this mentality of "im goin to go to engineering school to learn how to make things and then ill suck up to people in hopes of them telling me what to make and where to live"
>whereas people that actually want to make things just start making things and iterating and exploring.
This sooo much this, the other day I went to see my adviser for my EE degree and she was telling me to take intro to engineering, and asked if I knew how to solder. I mean wtf why would person who can't even learn how to solder properly without being spoonfed it even consider becoming an engineer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:34:46 2018 No.9900147 >>9900139 Why does an engineer need to know how to solder? Sure it is a nice skill to have but the engineer won't be soldering. It will the the technician or the factory doing all of the soldering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:35:47 2018 No.9900151 >>9900147 t. aspiring future inventor of nothing

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:36:03 2018 No.9900152
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>>9899923
Okay - that's kind of what I thought. Just a little scared of how it will effect me academically.

>>9899931
I have 4 years experience in financial banking (BOFA), 3 years in running my own furniture business (sales, deliveries, inventory), and just clerical work.
Besides knowing how to effectively deal with customers, not sure how this can help me on a resume. That's all documented work exp. though.
I'm extremely hands-on capable with various air/power tools, fabrication, electric, motorsport wiring, and such. I have no idea how to add that onto a res. without them laughing at me thinking I just put big rimz on cars or some dumb shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:36:17 2018 No.9900154 >>9900151 >>9900139 t. delusional freshmen

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:36:31 2018 No.9900155 >>9900109 i dont know, it is just how my specialization is named? if someone specialized in electromagnetics and RF circuits wouldnt they want a job in that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:37:35 2018 No.9900158 >>9900151 I actually know how to solder and work on electronic projects in my free time. But that doesn't answer my question. Why does an engineer NEED to learn soldering in college?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:39:16 2018 No.9900162

>>9900116
No. My brother did this as a CIS major having an internship for an aerospace company having to do with auditing database stuff. He hated it. Didn't learn shit and said it was like they needed a worker for cheap hire.

He quit, applied for Kaiser Permenente (medical company mostly west coast) as a Software Engineer/Analyst Intern and is making $25/hr for his 6month internship and already got offered a part time gig while in school.

Any internship exp is good exp. Use school as an excuse as to why you leave.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:40:18 2018 No.9900167 >>9900158 exactly. this should already be known if someone is actually interested in building things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:40:57 2018 No.9900169 >>9899466 Top tier for anything engineering in nm. Trust me I go to unm and regret not starting there

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:43:28 2018 No.9900174

>>9900058
>this slows down the pace of innovation overall.
A true statement, but remember that innovation is anathema to 99% of engineering. Most engineering is about taking some very well-understood designs and concepts and tweaking them as minimally as possible to fit some new application, and, to do that, you need to have people with that "slave mindset". Hell, even an R&D team has a small number of innovators and a large number of people who just run the checks to see if the new idea makes sense.

t. aerospace stress engineer. Most days I feel more like a lawyer than an engineer because, although the stress analysis is important, the actual thing I get paid for is to prepare documents and supporting data that will allow the aircraft to be certified by the FAA/EASA. Without that certification, the plane doesn't fly.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:43:50 2018 No.9900176

>>9900155
the point is you are focusing on a technology rather than a problem to solve. so you will sit there and wait for someone to tell you want to do and how to apply your knowledge.

as opposed to thinking for yourself what you want to do or make, and then learning the required skills and technologies to realize your vision.

im saying you are operating from a peasant paradigm.

you can learn anything you need to learn with an internet connection and some books and sweat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:47:18 2018 No.9900183 >>9900176 please only serious replies

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:47:42 2018 No.9900184

>>9900167
Sure, if you are actually interested in physically building and testing circuits sure.

You don't need to do that in order to be successful in Electrical Engineering. At least you can avoid it for a longer period of time. Had to explain through-hole VIAs, stack up, and PCB layers to one of our new hires.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:48:50 2018 No.9900187 >>9900183 Sure you can be interested in lasers but what part of lasers? You will find an EE degree will limit you compared to other degrees if you really want to design or play with lasers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:55:25 2018 No.9900195 >>9900154 K but i've still learned more about my craft than other Freshmen have. All I need now is just semester under my belt before I apply for an internship.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:55:27 2018 No.9900196 >>9900183 lol. hopeless.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:55:52 2018 No.9900197

>>9900158
Design for manufacture is one reason. There is also something to be said for having that tactile experience under your belt. Knowing how a material gives under a tool or seeing just how big a blob of solder you need for a circuit board component has value.

It also gives you street cred with your technicians. You will find them to be much more receptive to your ideas if you aren’t Mr. Picklefingers The Engineer.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 18:01:55 2018 No.9900210

>>9900176
Nigga that’s the kind of autism it takes to be a good engineer and actually innovate. Motherfuckers just think about lasers or pumps or screws all day, everyday. Then maybe if your autism is strong enough you come up with an improvement that propagates through the industry. Like another anon was saying, it’s all mostly been figured out so you have to deep dive into a very specific niche to actually do something new.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 18:03:45 2018 No.9900216
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>>9900197
>consorting with the unwashed masses
But, you've got a point as far as design goes - I've got a 2 day training coming up that's all about drilling holes and installing bolts and rivets that I'm pretty excited about.

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Anonymous Sat Jul 28 18:07:10 2018 No.9900222

>>9900197
I mean I guess? Never heard of our an engineer saying "yah I need this much blob of solder on pin 5 of U10" but it could happen I guess. All our PCBs are either wave soldered or re-flowed with solder/flux pastes after going through a pick and place machine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 18:12:34 2018 No.9900230 >>9900210 this is a valid point, thanks.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:27:05 2018 No.9900394
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>britbong EE student
>mfw get a 2:2 in electromagnetism but still finish a year with a first
I still feel like an absolute retard for basically failing the brainlet filter module in the 1st year, everything else I did this year was a first

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:41:50 2018 No.9900449 File: 1.84 MB, 500x253, IMG_2112.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What do you guys think of Penn State's Biological Engineering program? It has a strong agricultural/food production emphasis, which interests me. https://abe.psu.edu/majors/be

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:48:00 2018 No.9900462 >>9900449 Just so you know, you need at least a master's to do biological engineering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:49:38 2018 No.9900468 >>9900394 nobody knows what youre saying my dude

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:51:03 2018 No.9900472 >>9900176 is right >>9900183 will never be a good engineer

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:53:05 2018 No.9900476 >>9900462 How so?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:55:15 2018 No.9900484 >>9900472 t. doesnt even know what an engineer does

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 20:00:34 2018 No.9900506 >>9900476 Most of the entry level industry positions require a master's, probably a PhD for research. I figured I'd let you know from the get-go instead of halfway through your junior year.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 20:04:04 2018 No.9900519 >>9900506 Fair enough, cheers

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 20:21:10 2018 No.9900572 >>9899420 >Have you found a job yet? No.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 21:21:42 2018 No.9900705 Be honest. How many of you guys whinging about not finding a job have gone to your colleges career center with your resume?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 21:32:11 2018 No.9900728 >>9900705 I did.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 21:33:24 2018 No.9900729 >>9900705 I did But I just graduated so It's not like I can really complain. Only been looking a 1 month.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 21:57:16 2018 No.9900760 File: 114 KB, 970x880, 1410109949233.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9900705 >whinging

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 22:03:55 2018 No.9900766 >graduated with no internships after 700+ apps amazing just fucking epic I fucking hate engineering

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 22:05:26 2018 No.9900770 >>9900766 >700+ apps thats the real struggle right there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 22:22:52 2018 No.9900792 >>9900766 What does your resume look like?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 23:18:28 2018 No.9900905 File: 59 KB, 663x596, 1509332957632.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9900766 The only unemployable engineers have shit grades, shit resume, no experience, or shit personality. Which one(s) are you?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 23:22:08 2018 No.9900911

>>9900905
i feel like there needs to be a copy pasta for this general thats a checklist of all the things you have to do before you bitch about not being able to find a job. its like motherfuckers only start thinking about their career right at graduation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 23:24:43 2018 No.9900914 >>9900911 I've actually been working on a checklist/guide just to cut down on all the whining.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 23:55:11 2018 No.9900949

>>9900914
here is what i've posted in other engineering threads on /sci/ before.

>Join the professional association of your discipline; ASME, IEEE, etc

its like $20 for students and they invite you to dinners, competitions, and makes you eligible for scholarships

>subscribe to industry journals and magazines
these too are typically free or low cost for students. the articles are easy reading and a good way to make you appear like you know something in an interview. they also have ads for.. you guessed it, companies that are hiring.

>where's your portfolio?
this is where you are going to stuff all the shit that backs up your resume. certifications, letters of recommendation (you are asking for those right?), personal projects, internship projects, and awards.

>don't wait till junior year to get an internship.
for real, you guys should be looking to get some kind of engineering related internship your first summer. SpaceX might be out of reach but there are tons of mom n pop general contractors or shops who could use a bitch boy to do excel stuff or mark up prints. look local first.

>it can take up to a year to get into an engineering job. apply early, apply often.
this is especially true if you are trying to do gubmint or defense related stuff. security clearances can take up to 6 months.

>safety is low hanging fruit
its universally applicable to every engineering discipline and companies give a very large shit about lost time mishaps. bone up on basic OSHA/EPA practices and procedures.

>never turn down an interview
if you are autistic and can't hold your spaghetti, apply to jobs just to get interview practice. if you've never interviewed before you should especially do this. you'd rather biff an interview with Bill's HVAC n' Plumbing than with Boeing.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 02:20:01 2018 No.9901152

>>9899420
Recently interviewed for a job working on NASA's SLS rocket and the Orion. I can't believe they even interviewed me I had zero internships and I've been jobless since I graduated which was almost 2 years ago. Really feel like I nailed the interview though. They didn't ask "What have you been doing the past 2 years?" which would have wrecked me.

If I get this job I'll be so happy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 04:48:20 2018 No.9901316 >>9899420 Is it a good idea go for an engineering masters after getting a physics bach? I'm particularly thinging about a ME or EE masters

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:33:41 2018 No.9901386 how fucked am I if I'm going into junior year with no projects or experience and I end up not getting an internship i don't think it's gonna pan out since i only have until december to get stuff on my resume and apply

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:41:15 2018 No.9901399 >>9901386 You better have a very good GPA to make up for not having any internships or projects. Close to 3.5.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:43:40 2018 No.9901407 >>9899718 They will find out

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 07:08:08 2018 No.9901491 >>9901316 if you want toget an engineering job then yes. You should be fine for admissions even with a different bachelors. >>9901152 Good job dude, hope you get it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 07:26:20 2018 No.9901521 >>9901152 Nasa lmao, how brown are you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 07:46:41 2018 No.9901559 >>9901521 t. blue origin basedboy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 08:37:11 2018 No.9901658 >>9899904 Have fun dude, I'm in design right now and always wanted to work on the other side.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 09:42:43 2018 No.9901763 >>9900169 Although it's obviously just another uni if you leave

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 09:44:08 2018 No.9901767 >>9900152 What's bofa?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 10:08:51 2018 No.9901815 >>9901399 Why is there so much grade deflation in engineering?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 10:31:30 2018 No.9901862 Bump

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 10:31:31 2018 No.9901863 >>9901815 there isnt, people are just lazy

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:07:33 2018 No.9901911
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>recently graduated with a MEng in Biomedical Engineering
>literally no jobs
>don't feel good enough to be an engineer
>nowhere near qualified to do anything medical
>in so much debt

please help

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:13:22 2018 No.9901934 >>9901911 any internships or research experience?

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:22:38 2018 No.9901959

>>9901934
Had a couple of summer internships at universities which is better than nothing, but I feel like companies in industry aren't very interested in that. At this point I'm just spamming resume's and hoping a couple stick and get me an interview at least

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:24:24 2018 No.9901964
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>>9900905
>be literally any other major
>get a job without too much fuss
>be an engineer
>wtf you do you mean you don't uave five internships, three research publications, six patents, and a 4.0 GPA from MIT???
>you're such a failure!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:27:23 2018 No.9901967 >>9901964 This is precisely what an oversaturated job market looks like.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:50:56 2018 No.9902017 the problem is capitalism itself not the field of study

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:12:09 2018 No.9902038

>>9900949
>certifications, letters of recommendation (you are asking for those right?), personal projects, internship projects, and awards.
How important are certifications, recommendations, etc. compared to explaining projects? All the examples I've come across through Google are just rundowns of projects and maybe a resume. I've looked these people up on LinkedIn too; some of them work at Tesla, ULA, etc.

Also, what would be a good number of projects to include and how should I go about getting it to an employer? I mean, is a website really necessary or can I make a pdf and submit it along with my resume?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:12:26 2018 No.9902040 >>9902017 Not based at all

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:14:13 2018 No.9902042 >>9901767 Bofa deez nuts

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:35:26 2018 No.9902064 File: 469 KB, 750x547, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9899420 Have an interview this Friday. Hope it goes well

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:38:58 2018 No.9902071 >>9901152 Pizza Delivery Boy is that you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:40:29 2018 No.9902076 >>9901964 that's not at all how it works

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:42:03 2018 No.9902081 >>9901911 >Biomedical so sorry you got meme'd on

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 12:58:03 2018 No.9902099 File: 115 KB, 500x496, 1516380902140 (1).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9902071 Delivery boy here ...I'm still jobless and haven't had an interview in months

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:03:45 2018 No.9902108 >>9902081 Went in four years ago saying things like 'Oh it's a new, up and coming industry, there will be loads of jobs.' Should have done mech/areo, then I could complain about not getting jobs that actually exist

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:04:32 2018 No.9902112 >>9901911 >>9902108 Did you pay for your graduate degree?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:14:12 2018 No.9902121 >>9899862 >Should I start internships now The only correct answer to this question is "yes - it's never too early to start looking for internships". Work experience trumps everything else when job hunting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:15:03 2018 No.9902125 >>9902112 Was an intercollated Master's, so 4 year, no Bachelor's, quite common in the UK. Unfortunately I am not from the UK so I paid international fees. Hurts a little bit

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:18:14 2018 No.9902129

>>9900197

>It also gives you street cred with your technicians. You will find them to be much more receptive to your ideas if you aren’t Mr. Picklefingers The Engineer.

This is very true. There's a lot to be learned from technicians, machinists, etc. and those guys will treat you with much more respect if you at least have cursory knowledge of their area of expertise. It makes you a better engineer.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:22:24 2018 No.9902134

>>9900949

I can personally attest to the "portfolio", "internship before junior year", and "apply early" ones. I would also add "prioritize career fairs and info sessions over online apps" to that list. 98% of job hunting is getting a human being to read your resume, and career fairs are a fantastic way to make that happen. I landed tons of interviews from career fairs and only one from online apps even though I applied to literally hundreds of online postings.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:38:49 2018 No.9902156 >>9899977 This desu. Revolution when boys?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:40:46 2018 No.9902160 >>9902042 >actually falling for the reverse bait Embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:41:49 2018 No.9902163 >>9902156 Wrong reply?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:44:58 2018 No.9902169 could i get into a good Phd program with only two semesters of research and two internships? Have a 3.9/4.0 and good gre otherwise. in EE

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:57:33 2018 No.9902204 >>9902156 Meant for this post >>9902017 >>9902163 Yep, how embarrassing.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 14:59:51 2018 No.9902310

anybody else feel like you're underprepared for the engineering job market? I feel like I don't know a thing and I'm gonna be a senior this fall. Like how the hell do you develop and debug software from the jump and stuff like that? I struggled in my embedded systems class towards the end when things got a bit more complicated, imagine in a job setting where you have to part of a project yourself...

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 16:26:04 2018 No.9902479
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>>9902310
Hi anon. I felt the same way when I graduated. Still feel that way seven to eight months into my first full time job. You pick up a lot on the job but you can't help but feel like an impostor when you compare yourself to the senior engineers in your group.

One thing I have been doing is asking a lot of questions, never asking the same question twice, taking notes whenever I ask my questions, and at home I will do practice projects with PIC and TI micro-controllers.

They don't expect you to know everything. College is merely to teach you the foundations of knowledge required and skills needed to learn/critically think in an engineering environment.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 16:33:06 2018 No.9902488 >>9902479 >never asking the same question twice, but what if you need to

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 16:42:13 2018 No.9902508
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>>9902488
You should have asked follow up questions to clarify and confusion and then record the answers down in a notebook.

Obviously you can ask a question twice if you really need it after doing they above. Just don't make it a habit. It looks bad if you are constantly ask the same questions over and over.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 17:35:50 2018 No.9902585 >>9902310 >>9902479 If you aren't feeling way in over your head for the first year or so, your job isn't challenging enough. Like anon said, ask a lot of questions, take notes, and learn by doing. You'll pick it up.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 19:16:34 2018 No.9902816

I’m getting a PhD in chemistry in a field that is heavily tied to engineering (electrochemistry and energy storage). I mostly do synthetic work but I also do a lot of the electrochemical work the engineers do (cyclic voltammetry, impedance spectroscopy, and cell assembly and characterization). Anyone in this field able to judge where I stand in the job market once I get my PhD?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 19:40:11 2018 No.9902880 >>9902169 some help me the fuck out

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 19:43:47 2018 No.9902887 >>9902880 You should be fine, jesus fucking christ. Do well on the GRE and if you already know the professor you want to work with start communicating with them already. People get into PHD programs with far less experience.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 19:56:59 2018 No.9902917 >>9902816 As an undergrad, the lab I was in did everything you said in the brackets. Of the 2 PhD alums that I knew in the lab, one went to work at a national lab and the other works at Intel. They both had numerous offers too.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 20:00:49 2018 No.9902925

>>9899420
>Have you found a job yet?
Working on it.
Just went to career fair in Sacramento. Turns out handing my resume to a financial company was a good idea because they want me to come in soon!
[spoiler] Meanwhile, the actual engineering company who said they would email me still hasn't....

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 20:02:45 2018 No.9902934 >>9899862 You can probably land a part time paid depending on your experience

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 21:12:54 2018 No.9903097

>>9900949

>Join the professional association of your discipline; ASME, IEEE, etc

This x 1,000

Most of your professional organizations have monthly luncheons or similar events where members get together explicitly to network

All you have to do is show up and not mom's spaghetti and you'll find a job right away

I graduated in 2008 and spent five months looking for a job, I wanted to kick myself when I found out that literally all the people I'd been cold calling met up for lunch once a month

We just hired a new grad the other day who showed up at a lunch meeting looking for a job

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 21:56:43 2018 No.9903200 >>9900914 Shit, man, once you're done you should post it so we can add it to OP

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 21:59:11 2018 No.9903208 >>9900766 You're welcome to try the financial industry. As an engineer, people know you're good with math and will hire with alarming frequency. Half the brokers in New York are engi's.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 22:33:31 2018 No.9903297

>>9902038
You should have very little in the way of descriptions. It’s quite literally scrapbooking: career edition. You want drawings, pictures, models. Colorful stuff that looks cool. Your letters of rec should be on some kind of official letterhead with a real ink signature. I don’t want to say certifications are filler, but at the entry level even having one or two is enough.

Considering all this, you don’t want to publish to the internet because dudes will straight up rip you off. I’m not suprised that the stuff you saw on LinkedIn was lean. Your portfolio is showmanship, a tool you use to seize control of a professional conversation. It’s best applied in person where you can talk to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 20:27:05 2018 No.9904986 im no genius but it sounds like you knuckle fucks chose the wrong careers. Pick something else while you're young and have no kids

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 09:42:26 2018 No.9906151 God damn civil engineering is so fucking boring. I should have studied economics + math instead of economics + civil engineering. I fucking hate designing boring stuff like beams and structures

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 10:02:17 2018 No.9906170 Wow this thread scares me. Guess I won't do engineering then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 10:12:19 2018 No.9906187 >>9900147 >the engineer won't be soldering Lol sweet, sweet summer child

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 10:23:45 2018 No.9906205 >>9906151 But someone has to do that, so what will you choose? Will you man up and become a useful member of society, or will you whine like a woman for all of your life?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 10:25:28 2018 No.9906207 >>9906170 Don't let these guys scare you, engineering is awesome.

Anonymous Tue Jul 31 10:28:26 2018 No.9906211

>>9899420
Are most people genuinely struggling with employment or this thread just engineers trying to undersaturated their job market to increase their salaries?

No doubt the salaries are lower than ever, especially for new grads, but the employment rates don't seem all that dismal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 10:38:31 2018 No.9906227 >>9906207 Don't listen to this guy, he says this because he wants fresh male ass for next year and engineering enrollment has been dwindling so the boipussi reserves are running out.

Anonymous Tue Jul 31 10:52:00 2018 No.9906253

>>9906170

Watch out for rapists like >>9906207 , they usually hang around engineering department's kitchen and try to lure young interns with promises like that they will show them welding or how tight you have to hold piece to bolt it down.

...to bolt it down... ;____;

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 14:13:57 2018 No.9906616 Poll >your major >gpa you graduated with >years since graduation (0 for just graduated) >salary/yearly earnings EE 3.5 0 60k

Anonymous Tue Jul 31 14:22:18 2018 No.9906643

Engineering was a fucking waste of time. Employers literally care more about my codemonkey webdev skills that I taught myself one weekend freshman year, than they do about my entire four year engineering degree. All I did was work harder in college for worse job prospects.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 14:23:15 2018 No.9906646 >>9899454 industry then academia

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 17:35:00 2018 No.9907060 File: 24 KB, 600x315, 1531983669193.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Electronics engineers on suicide watch. Computers are replacing engineers: engineering is dead. https://www.jitx.com/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 17:50:51 2018 No.9907093 >>9902108 I got memed in my BS for it, Marketed as preindustrial. By the time the next class graduated they removed preindustrial as a destination of that degree.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 18:08:04 2018 No.9907136 File: 1.50 MB, 2480x2480, 69430201_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9906616 Mech. E 3.6 3 66k But my manager says I might finally get a promotion next spring uwu

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 18:10:10 2018 No.9907144 >>9907136 >says I might finally get a promotion I've got bad news for you, anon...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 18:19:38 2018 No.9907168 >>9906187 I already know how to solder and you can call me a child all you want but point me to any industry (not diy or prototyping) where the engineer does the soldering instead of a trained technician.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 18:22:26 2018 No.9907174 File: 393 KB, 611x607, 1509984849509.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9906616 EE 3.2 0.9 77K

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 18:29:53 2018 No.9907192 >>9906616 >Civil Engineer >2.6 >1 >58k Granted I also live in a super low cost of living area.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 18:41:55 2018 No.9907215 >>9907192 >2.6 GPA >still got a job within a year of graduation Sometimes I wonder why I try so hard

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 19:01:09 2018 No.9907253 >>9907215 To be fair, my GPA was hit hard by a 20 credit final semester. I already had a job lined up by then so they never saw my final GPA. And I just started my current job a few months ago and they never even asked me my GPA.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 19:05:42 2018 No.9907263 >>9907136 Sounds like someone is ready to job hop. rev up that resume son.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 19:10:01 2018 No.9907270 >>9907168 literally any field service position. unless you are a really senior guy, you won't have a full technician team to do your bidding while you sit around drinking coffee.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 19:10:51 2018 No.9907274 File: 1.12 MB, 1280x720, kashii_airi.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9907263 But I just started this job 3 months ago... It's just that I was hired on as an entry level, since they didn't think 2 years of experience was enough

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 19:17:57 2018 No.9907285 >>9907274 oh. from your post i thought you had 3 years into the current position. that is usually where you get your first big pay bump by either promotion or relocation. carry on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 19:19:09 2018 No.9907287 >>9907270 Name the industry then goy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 19:20:57 2018 No.9907291 >>9907287 maintenance and reliability is an industry

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 20:05:32 2018 No.9907339 >>9907291 Just give one example instead of being an obtuse bush beater. >hurr field service >hurr maintenance and reliability cuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 23:50:40 2018 No.9907699 >>9899718 Pretend to be trans, tell them you can't get work records because they're transphobic and won't put your new name on their records which is triggering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 23:53:20 2018 No.9907704 >>9906616 >Industrial Engineer >3.9 >almost 6 months > ~86k

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 00:15:15 2018 No.9907727 >>9907704 what work do you do? I was thinking about IE but I don't want to work in some warehouse

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 00:27:17 2018 No.9907742 >>9907727 Statistical process control mostly, pretty comfy >I don't want to work in some warehouse me neither

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 01:26:20 2018 No.9907810 >>9907727 >not finding a comfy warehouse and working less than 40 hours a week Work life balance niggas

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 02:18:30 2018 No.9907851 >>9907704 damn that's a high starting salary

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 02:43:07 2018 No.9907884 Are there engineering night jobs? I cannot stay awake during the day

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 03:31:44 2018 No.9907952 >>9899420 >Have you found a job yet? No.

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 03:47:06 2018 No.9907972 [DELETED]

How does one deal with the fact that he'll never make a real impact on the world?
Study for 6 years and get your master's degree, then, if you're lucky get a well paying life with a company that does the sort of engineering that keeps you interested, work for 40 years and then retire and die. Is that all we have to hope for? Being forgettable cogs in the industrial machine?

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 03:52:46 2018 No.9907983

How does one deal with the fact that he'll never make a real impact on the world?
Study for 6 years and get your master's degree, then, if you're lucky get a well paying job with a company that does the sort of engineering that keeps you interested, work for 40 years and then retire and die. Is that all we have to hope for? Being forgettable cogs in the industrial machine?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 07:49:34 2018 No.9908189 I hope so

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 08:27:33 2018 No.9908237 >>9907287 At my last internship even the senior EE would solder sometimes. It was hardware engineering department.

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 09:56:56 2018 No.9908384

>>9907972
Fuck you buddy. Join a company where you can make an impact. Make something helpful and send it to Africa. You'll get jerked off in the news if that is what you want.

There are no longer "great men" when it comes to Engineering. There won't be any more Bob Widlar's or Kelly Johnsons. We are getting to the point where we understand almost everything engineering related. The things we don't know are becoming more and more niche. If you want to be some big hotshot researcher than do that.

Most engineers are cogs and that shouldn't be a problem. Can you name all the great engineers that man the Apollo program possible? They still hard purpose and real impacts on the world.

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 15:02:17 2018 No.9908918

>>9907983
Engineers are the arbiters of public safety. You don’t need to create some breakthrough invention to have an impact on people. When you design a building that withstands fire, flood, or quake and keeps its occupants secure, you very much just made an impact. When you decrease passenger injury rates on a car by a fraction of a percent, you made an impact on those people. When you make sure the water in pipes has been treated correctly so your city isn’t shitting it’s guts out, you made an impact.

Being Tony Stark is cool and all, but the majority of engineers are predisposed in keeping all this “stuff” we have from killing everyone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 15:29:20 2018 No.9908979 >>9907983 99% of people that have ever lived and will live are forgettable cogs. The others are just dwarves standing on their giant shoulders. Without them we would not have gotten so far

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 20:30:05 2018 No.9909824

I saw this internship offering for AI development. The requirements are to know programming in Java or C++, experience in SQL databases, and knowledge/experience or wanting to learn machine learning.

I only know Java and want to learn machine learning. I don't know anything about SQL databases. Should I apply anyways?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 21:06:57 2018 No.9909901 >>9909824 Yes, you literally have nothing to lose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 22:15:09 2018 No.9909975 didnt' some guy here say that he had like a 2.something gpa and was working for intel?

Anonymous Wed Aug 1 22:46:14 2018 No.9910024

>>9906211
it's been almost impossible for me to get a steady industry job that I can stay at for a few years and grow. I've had internships every summer I was in college and am CURRENTLY working as a php web developer and still apply to jobs every day, <10% contact back and my first phone call in a month the interviewer didn't even ask me any questions about my resume during the whole conversation, turned me down. no clue what i'm doing wrong and every contact/short-term job i get hired for really doesn't seem to get me any closer than if i just walked in there with no resume and asked for a job.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 22:50:00 2018 No.9910034 >>9910024 What industry are you trying to get into? Are you just doing free lance web development to pay the bills?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 02:09:07 2018 No.9910286 >>9908979 >99% of people that have ever lived and will live are forgettable cogs. I always thought I'd be part of the 1% when I was younger. Reality is a bitch though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:20:33 2018 No.9910798 >>9899420 What do yall think about going from computer science to mechanical engineering? I am one semester from finishing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:26:26 2018 No.9910805 >>9910798 Do EE instead, much more useful transferable skills. Although you will be fucked by non-brainlet math all the same.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:29:45 2018 No.9910812
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>>9910798
Just finish already. Do you really want to be stuck at university for another three to hour years? Is the debt worth it? Parents paying for it? Way too late to change unless you like not earning money.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:29:49 2018 No.9910813 >>9910798 Finish the computer science then do the mech degree if you want.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:30:41 2018 No.9910816 >>9910805 I'll be 25 and have $70k in debt (low interest 2-3%)? You think it will be worth in terms of pay? Also, why EE over say computer engineering or mechanical?

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:32:51 2018 No.9910820

>>9910812
> Do you really want to be stuck at university for another three to hour years?
I know all jobs are shitty and I can't say school is great either. But being in a computer science course where the most advanced shit we did was eigenvalues (mathematically) has made me want to do something more rigorous.

> Is the debt worth it? Parents paying for it? Way too late to change unless you like not earning money.
Nah. Here you get low interest debt 2-3% and you only pay it back when you're earning over $55k

>>9910813
Sounds good.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:50:19 2018 No.9910851

>>9910816
>$70k in debt (low interest 2-3%)? You think it will be worth in terms of pay?
Couldn't say, I don't live in anglo turd world.
>Also, why EE over say computer engineering or mechanical?
Computer engineering is a subset of EE. Both are much more tightly interwoven with CS than mechanical.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 09:54:58 2018 No.9910856 >>9910851 Idc to do CS/SWE

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 10:05:46 2018 No.9910879 >>9907287 Controls engineering. Had the senior engineer bend conduit with us and demo the old control panels.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 11:13:46 2018 No.9910957 >>9910812 When I hear americans talking about their debts and ruining their life to pay for their studies I praise the european educational system.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 11:20:42 2018 No.9910967 >>9910957 european system is shit but so is the american system the american system before government started issuing loans was the best

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 11:40:48 2018 No.9910995 >>9910957 >I praise the european educational system Nobody cares Mohammed

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 12:00:49 2018 No.9911020 >>9910995 >implying

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 12:59:48 2018 No.9911138

>>9907704
Life goals.
Would you recommend cs+IE as a good starting point for a future MS/PhD in statistics to nab a comfy data science / operations research position, or would applied math+IE be better or even only IE (spending the extra saved time on research)?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 13:46:09 2018 No.9911266 >>9910286 Being an engineer with a decent salary makes you luckier than 99.99% of the world population, stop being a whiny bitch

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 13:48:28 2018 No.9911275 >>9911266 >engineer >decent salary Haha oh man, that was a good one. Tell another!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 14:55:32 2018 No.9911442 I'm partway through to getting a job offer in Bellevue, WA but nothing official yet or a salary figure. What should the minimum be there so I don't end up living in a car or with the million other homeless people

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 15:02:24 2018 No.9911462 >>9911442 Bellevue is expensive because of all the software engineers living there making $120-$150k. They'll probably offer you like $60k though. t. disgruntled Washington engineer

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 16:41:04 2018 No.9911691 File: 2.80 MB, 640x360, 1532090074874.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9899420 >Have you found a job yet? I ordered the first part, schematics soon...actually, just had an idea! I'll feed it to an animal first!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 19:40:53 2018 No.9912058 >>9911462 This. Niggas get stars in their eyes when they see that google money but forget that a studio apt costs $3k a month. Portland is the cheapest city on the west coast but you can’t buy a house there for less than $350k

>>	30yo Boomer Thu Aug 2 19:42:54 2018 No.9912062 >>9909975 2.9 major gpa but 3.0 overall. Sup?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 21:31:46 2018 No.9912354 >>9906616 ChemE 2.7 0 68k

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 21:37:08 2018 No.9912372 >>9912354 how

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 21:44:11 2018 No.9912389 >>9912372 I work in semiconductor industry. Mainly metal deposition

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 21:52:23 2018 No.9912412 File: 13 KB, 308x352, 1278202396827.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9906616 >Aerospace >2.7 >0 >N/A (help me)

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 22:31:47 2018 No.9912479 >>9912412 >picks the most competitive engineering discipline >isn’t competitive Are you fit for service? I’d try being a cargo pilot for the military.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 22:45:38 2018 No.9912499
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>>9899420
What are some notable (and also more obscure) field/technical jobs you've had or heard about that relate to engineering, whether it be in your field of study or another? Something that on occasion or frequently gets you out of the office and into the field, or very least the lab.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 00:09:47 2018 No.9912617 >>9912479 Aerospace is the most competitive? Fuck me man. I'm three years in with only a 3.0 and it's not looking good with no internships

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 00:15:46 2018 No.9912625 >>9899420 Mech E, have an offer on the table and several interviews lined up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 01:55:18 2018 No.9912739 >>9911138 Both (CS + IE, Math + IE) are pretty good options. CS and IE may have more classes overlap (depending on university)

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 02:00:45 2018 No.9912750 >>9910957 This. My country may be a third world shithole, but at least our healthcare and education are free. I can't believe americans get in debt to learn about calculus and other undergraduate courses

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 02:16:26 2018 No.9912770

>>9912750
I guarantee that your education is both shit tier as anyone worth a damn in your country academically moves to America, and your healthcare is crap and the quality of the service is utter shit.

It's pathetic to see third worlders shit on the most developed country when they should be trying to emulate it.

Also why should anyone pay for someones healthcare or education unless they voluntarily choose to?

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 02:35:51 2018 No.9912801

>>9912770
Nope. Our education is pretty decent (Balseiro Institute, best in latin america and completly free). I got the fulbright scholarship and studied in USA two years. Met a lot of graduates with 4.0 gpas from top 10 american universities and I am 100% sure that most of them wouldnt survive more than one year (out of the five years it takes here to get an engineering degree) at my university.
>It's pathetic to see third worlders shit on the most developed country when they should be trying to emulate it.
Well this is just delusional. Most developed countries (european) have an educational system similar to ours. Getting in debt for basic education (like an engineering undergraduate degree) is insane.

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 02:39:48 2018 No.9912813

>>9912801
>It's considered the best Experimental Physics and Nuclear Engineering study centre of Latin America, as well as a very prestigious one worldwide. In fact, in 2012 the Balseiro institute was recognized among the best levels of education of the world displacing Princeton, Stanford and Columbia [2] This is a free public institution with a number of features that make it unique.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balseiro_Institute

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 02:52:53 2018 No.9912830

>>9912801
> Getting in debt for basic education (like an engineering undergraduate degree) is insane.
With all of your supposed education you can't formulate arguments. You seem to just assert yourself over and over again.

American institutions of higher learning produce top notch research. I would prefer a European socialist education system over the quasi-capitalist-socialist hybrid in America.

However a pure capitalist model without government loans would be the best.

Also I don't doubt that the socialist higher education of Latin America would be WAY more rigorous than that of America since universities get paid (from the government) even if they pass or fail students. Whereas in America the schools want more students through their courses to get more money out of them. This is due to to government intervention and is not the result of free market capitalism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 03:01:43 2018 No.9912842 >>9912801 What school did you graduate from if I might ask? And what was your major?

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 03:13:58 2018 No.9912854

>>9912770
>It's pathetic to see third worlders shit on the most developed country when they should be trying to emulate it.

Oh come on, the USA was never really known for homegrown talent, but for spending lots of money to attract overseas academics. Now that America has entered its decadent phase, they aren't even doing that. Actually it's the Americans going abroad. I can see the writing on the wall. I only hope to escape before the civil war starts.

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 03:19:47 2018 No.9912865

>>9912739
>>9907704
kind of a specific question, but what do you guys think of majoring in IE+CS to work in the healthcare/pharm industry? is/will there a good market for being an IE and optimizing healthcare systems in 4 years? that looks like the only sector that really interests me, but it's hard to tell

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 03:20:31 2018 No.9912866

The engineering job market is AIDS. Learn to code and boycott these engineering HR oogaboogas until they raise wages and quit being so generally horrible. As a programmer I'm making twice what my highest offer was for engineering, all with much better hours and better work/life balance. HR in engineering has gone insane and it's just not worth putting up with their bullshit anymore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 07:13:00 2018 No.9913171 Lads, I've been a tool bitch for a number of years and I've just convinced my company to let me take a mechanical engineering HNC. I really want to work in Nuclear power eventually, what's the path I should be taking to achieve this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 07:14:13 2018 No.9913172 >>9899420 I’m studying EE in Uni. Is it a meme? It’s not too late for me to change or drop out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 07:23:48 2018 No.9913181 >>9912830 >laissez faire would be the best system >even though a 4 year degree is a prerequisite for working as a cashier >not including that most high level institutions are all in bed with each other because it financially benefits them wew

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 07:48:19 2018 No.9913198

I'm confused about how internships work. I'm a biomedical engi student in Europe, and it seems that many people in the US already had internships during their undergraduate degree, while I don't think any of my peers had these going on at all. Did everyone lie to me or are these internships just not that common in Europe?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 08:33:07 2018 No.9913240 File: 12 KB, 215x211, 1494241235703.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw got bored as shit of engineering by second year >didn't even apply for any engineering jobs after graduation Anyone else?

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 11:12:19 2018 No.9913421

>>9912499
That field service life is crazy. Check out a company called FieldCore. When I worked for them, they were called Granite Services. They are always hiring because guys just burn the fuck out, especially limp wristed nerds who’ve never spent any considerable time doing manual labor. You live out of a hotel 300 days out of the year and make $120k+ with all the overtime. Lots of autonomy and you definitely need some leadership skills to guide your technicians.

If you are a young man with an engineering degree, a thirst for adventure, and nothing to lose I’d consider it. Good luck maintaining any relationships though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 11:48:06 2018 No.9913464 >>9912479 I didn't even know GPA mattered in college until my junior year, and by then it was too late. My major GPA is 3.0

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:14:58 2018 No.9913611 >>9912617 >Aerospace is the most competitive? Yup. Niche field filled with really smart/motivated guys who are willing to work for peanuts because of airplane autism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:48:55 2018 No.9913696 >>9913421 Think being not /fit/ would be that big a deal?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 14:19:24 2018 No.9913780 Just got an interview next week with someone my phd advisor has been feuding with for the past 3 years, this gonna be good.

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 14:27:41 2018 No.9913803

Does the industry of your first job matter? Suppose you ultimately want to work in aerospace but your first job out of college is oil and gas. Would switching mean starting from scratch, in which case you're better off not wasting any time doing anything else, even if it may take you longer to get a job in the field you want out of college.

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 15:17:29 2018 No.9913890

>>9913696
How much of a weak skelly are you?

It’s mostly stamina that you need. You will work 12-16 hour days for 3 weeks straight and then get a week off. Your guys will do most of the heavy lifting but expect to be crawling on equipment like a spider monkey.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 15:33:05 2018 No.9913928 >>9913421 Interesting, I'll give it a look, thanks. Anything else you've come across during your journeys?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 15:37:46 2018 No.9913935 >>9912865 You might want to consider a masters in healthcare administration and use your ie stuff in you thesis. Then get hired as a normal administrator but use your influence to allow you to use your ie expertise to optimize the hospital

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 15:39:36 2018 No.9913940 >>9912739 I suppose I would minor in math and use the extra time for IE research and teaching myself CS to get one of those hip new test-based positions as a backup.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 15:41:53 2018 No.9913942 >>9912830 Research quality=/=education quality. American unis are the top at the former but the latter has more variation within countries than from country to country.

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 15:42:16 2018 No.9913943

>>9913803
Yes and no, but in the end what's going to matter most is how you relate the experience you had at one job to what they're looking for at another. Obviously you couldn't go from Fryer at McDicks to being the head of some nuclear plant, but (in your scenario) some internship or entry-level job in O&G won't cause any harm to your resume or job prospects.

"My time at (O&G Job) allowed me to gain a better understanding of some basic engineering processes, and also provided me with opportunities to test and expand upon my critical thinking and team-management skills". If your previous job in any way can relate to the current, even indirectly, try to mention that. Talk about your successes, what you did to help yourself, your team, and your company, and experiences you gained that can all translate to the new environment.

Are you going from O&G to Aero, or was that just a hypothetical?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 15:43:40 2018 No.9913947 >>9913171 What's a HNC? >>9913172 Self teach yourself programming as a backup. Explain in detail why you choose EE and how far you are into your education.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 16:23:41 2018 No.9914022 >>9912842 Balseiro, Nuclear

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 16:24:36 2018 No.9914024 >>9913943 Hypothetical, I've been applying to aerospace companies since I graduated but I'm not hearing back from many. Might as well branch out, I can't stay unemployed much longer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 17:06:53 2018 No.9914099 >>9913947 Thanks for the advice! I just sometimes worry that I’m gonna fuck up and end up jobless and in a shit ton of debt Such is the price for freedom :(

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 17:20:10 2018 No.9914122 >>9913947 It's a UK qualification that is equivalent to the first year of a bachelor's degree. Usually followed with a HND then a final year on campus top up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 17:41:10 2018 No.9914163 >>9910798 Don't do it man. Once you have the essentially guaranteed job CS gives you, THEN you can do stuff on the side. ME is real stifled right now. Source: ME with ME cousin

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 18:19:55 2018 No.9914231 >>9913890 Damn. Yeah I'm a pretty weak skelly. I mean I can climb but... I don't know how long caffeine pills will work at keeping me awake 16 hours

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 18:33:02 2018 No.9914265 >entering first year of Aero Engineering with 22 years Is it too late for me lads?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 18:36:28 2018 No.9914272 Is Environmental Engineering a meme or did I make a good choice?

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 19:28:18 2018 No.9914341
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hey guys im from mexico and just choose to study mechatronics engineering in a near university from my county problem is im doing bad with my physics any good useful youtube channels or books for people that just got into physics (they thaught a lil bit on HS but i forgot everything) i start classes in one month :d

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 19:30:13 2018 No.9914343 >>9914272 meme

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 19:34:01 2018 No.9914349 >>9914343 why

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 19:37:51 2018 No.9914354

>>9914341
just pay attention in class. you'll be fine as long as you do that. also, if you're having a hard time don't hesitate to ask questions to your teachers. sometimes when solving problems you'll be left behind because you're going at a slow pace, but don't let that make you feel bad. uni in mexico is a lot easier than in america, so don't worry about not remembering stuff you learned in highschool

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 19:43:21 2018 No.9914364 >>9914354 thanks man :D im still nervous have not been in a classroom in 3 years man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 19:45:45 2018 No.9914368 Industrial Electronics B.Tech Undergrad here. Will start Control Theory, Signals and Systems and Power Electronics I next week. How fucked am I?

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 19:49:11 2018 No.9914372

>>9914364
dude you'll be fine. i've been on and off the uni ride for 4 years due to health issues. there's plenty of stuff i've forgotten as well. i'm 22 now and starting uni next monday. just give it your all and try not to slack off too much during your first semesters.
we're all gonna make it

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 19:57:01 2018 No.9914380
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>go to tamu
>has retarded engr program where you are actually not in your degree you applied for and you have to apply again at the end of your freshman year to actually get into a major
>gpa was 2.7 because second semester was significantly harder than first and was caught off guard
>still think i could get into compsci which is in the engineering school and had a low mean gpa of like 2.9 the previous semester
>didn't get in
>none of the other majors i applied for accepted me (although i was really gunning for compsci so i chose majors that i knew were harder to get into)
>learn the new mean GPA was somewhere like a 3.2
>stuck suffering another semester of general bullshit classes
>mom is mad at me
>might not graduate in 2021 because all the computer science prereq classes are full and they maxed out the overflow spots with actual compsci majors who need the classes more than i do

anyone else feel these feels? I was thinking of also applying for EE, CE, and this brainlet EE program they have there too called ESET (which i turned down an offer to get into this summer) in addition to gunning for CS again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 20:11:17 2018 No.9914398 >>9914380 Maybe STEM isnt for you, buddy.

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 20:13:46 2018 No.9914403

Hey anons I'll give you my blog. I got a physics b.s, decided I didn't want to go to grad school. I needed a job and got one as a systems test engineer at a government defense contractor. Basically means breaking and coming up with fixes for a neat little weapon system.

Now, normally, this would involve people who know the system working with programmers and the systems team to fix bugs, and that is generally what happens.
Here's the problem, many gov. contractors are required, either by management or by law, to have the work reviewed by the customer. Normal practice. But some defense contractor programs literally have the customer approve every document change BEFORE it's implemented. This leads to things like variant misapplicabilty fixes, that should literally take seconds after being noticed, be held up for weeks in review. If someone with authority at the pre-planned review doesn't understand something, it's slated for another week. And thus, two weeks, for incorrect variant documentation. I wish I were joking.
I also hate having to charge specific time codes, it's idiotic. Basically you have to charge specific microscopic tasks within a program.The program has multiple people whose sole job is to dish out tasking. Hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Why the do I have to plug .3 hours into my time card for some review? So you can run analytics to justify some new management style? People are very serious about it too, and a huge amount of money is spent getting tasking in order.

Also if you like the agile system I hate you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 20:18:34 2018 No.9914414 The more I study the dumber I feel. There's just so much, I don't think I can take this shit.

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 20:22:26 2018 No.9914419

>>9913928
if you want to stay out of a cubicle, field service or facilities maintenance is the way to go. there is always a factory, hospital, or commercial building that needs an engineer to keep things running. you do a little of everything and its pretty comfy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 20:49:00 2018 No.9914451 >>9914398 mom wont let me take finance

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 21:07:09 2018 No.9914480 >>9914451 MBA

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 21:31:06 2018 No.9914512
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>>9914265
Yep

jk, I see it happen quite a lot. One engineer I used to work with ran a bar for several years before going to college. A guy I work with now went to college to become a pastor, did that for a few years, went back to school and is now an engineer.

t. aerospace stress engineer

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 21:34:29 2018 No.9914517 >>9914414 That's the point. Only once you realize that you know nothing are you ready to be a true engineer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 22:10:11 2018 No.9914548 >>9914517 I've been going through this textbook again and just realized how superficially everything was taught in my uni. https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Electric-Circuits-Charles-Alexander/dp/0073380571 I feel like a brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 22:57:36 2018 No.9914605 >>9912830 Jesus you ancaps/laissez-fraire capitalists are delusional af.

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 23:10:31 2018 No.9914619

Can I get into machine learning with a EE degree (followed up by a MSc) or should I just switch to Applied Maths or CS? I picked EE in the first place because it's the most broad engineering discipline in my opinion and you can end up working literally anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 00:24:09 2018 No.9914690 >>9914024 Another casualty in the great aero degree meme I see

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 00:27:16 2018 No.9914697 >>9914380 Whatever you do just don't get tricked into aerospace

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 04:00:56 2018 No.9914918 >>9914619 Lol nice meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 04:05:56 2018 No.9914926 >>9914480 Mba is an useless degree

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 07:02:48 2018 No.9915079

>>9914619
Get a minor in CS.

Software development and data science are two fields not plagued by progressive credentialism.

You're better off just learning it on your own. Study linear algebra and statistics and start reading into machine learning and do your own projects. Make your own website and post them there. Then apply for ML jobs. The project(s) you do will carry more weight than any degree.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 09:24:41 2018 No.9915225 >>9914690 Mechanical Engineering actually

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 15:10:27 2018 No.9915865 >>9912770 You are right. I'm brazilian and even the top universities here have a enormous amount of imbeciles

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 15:31:42 2018 No.9915904 Im a 18 yo with no real direction. Im torn between EE, CS and CE. Is embedded a good meme to fall for?

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 15:47:47 2018 No.9915926

>>9915904
join the military, pick something to do with electronics or software, come out on the other side with a free ride to whatever school you can get into. if you don't like the idea of the military, at least consider a few years of technician work.

don't go to college without having a good idea of what you want to do. its a colossal waste of money with the current loan scheme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 17:15:45 2018 No.9916164 What do you guys think about mechatronics. Is it worth looking for a jobs or just go straight up to masters in robotics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 17:21:29 2018 No.9916178 >>9915926 >don't go to college without having a good idea of what you want to do. its a colossal waste of money with the current loan scheme. I really pity you americans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 17:59:55 2018 No.9916320 >>9914403 Welcome to government. Your first mistake was caring about efficiency in the job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 18:02:18 2018 No.9916328 >>9915904 Self teach yourself cs and get a job straight out of highschool by taking one of those placement tests such as triplebyte our on some competitive programming sites.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 20:08:55 2018 No.9916663 >>9900158 There is, in fact, a wrong way to solder. Proper methods can only be taught, not derived (at the individual level, at least).

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 20:25:58 2018 No.9916691 Does Linkedin help you get internships? t. civil

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 20:30:56 2018 No.9916699 >>9916691 a LinkedIn profile is something you should maintain anyways.

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 21:12:05 2018 No.9916756

>mention to coworker I may go back to school to get phd
>pfft bro you don't need a phd, all you need is a bachelor's and you're guaranteed 150k eventually. school is gay i'm not going back
I feel like all of the people in my life telling me not to go get my phd are dipshits who did just enough to pass in college.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 21:21:17 2018 No.9916770 >>9916756 Yes. Do you. Excellence requires constant self improvement.

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 21:23:10 2018 No.9916772

>>9916756
Why do you want a Phd? It can limit you in a lot of ways by making you "overqualified" i.e. more expensive to hire.

Is there something specific you want to research or learn? I too want to go back for my PhD but I am worried about the opportunity costs of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 21:40:21 2018 No.9916797 >>9916756 someone post the pic of the article about the unemployed 31 year old phd grad that killed himself

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 21:47:39 2018 No.9916809

>>9916772
I know that if I get a phd I will be overqualified for all except a few industry jobs outside of consulting. But it does a lot to open up government work, and obviously, academia. I like my current career, but I am looking for something more than just doing routine engineering tasks and managing people, shit anybody can do.
I want to teach, I want to do research for the sake of discovery, and I to work with other smart people and interact with them all over the country and world at conferences. I think that being paid to conduct research results in far more happiness than being paid to meet production numbers.
Obviously the opportunity cost has the potential to be large, about $300k in my case, but the only debt I have is a car loan that will be paid off within a year, and I have the opportunity to get my phd and have a good chunk of change in the bank by the time I turn 26 (probably 28-30 though because I want to work for at least another year).
I was the top student in a small program at a major research university. I have 3 professors trying to pay me to work in their labs, and because of my race (white, but that's actually a plus here) I can supposedly walk into an assistant professorship the day after I get my phd. Otherwise I can go work for the federal government (extreme shortage in my field at federal labs) or as a consultant. My research interests include rock mechanics and fluid mechanics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 21:49:59 2018 No.9916814 >>9916809 It was the same at my uni where there was so many international students that they couldn't find enough white people in their programs. White people were actually the minority.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 01:00:13 2018 No.9917050 File: 100 KB, 675x759, 1530403617807.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9899420 Is everything going to be phased out by AI and robots?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 01:28:41 2018 No.9917080 >>9899454 Industry, by academia I'm assuming you're referring to getting a PhD, and I would only recommend that if it's what you really want to do personally I'd wanna start paying off my loans before I think about further studies

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 01:32:23 2018 No.9917083 File: 7 KB, 242x208, 1530937634977.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9917080 >loans >latin america

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 01:42:13 2018 No.9917090 >>9899420 нeт... :(

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 01:42:34 2018 No.9917091 >>9917083 Yeah we have that in Chile.

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 01:45:13 2018 No.9917097

>>9917050
Not really. Think of AI and robotics more as tools than anything else. Fields such as research, engineering, humanities, and even technician level jobs in industry will not only remain intact, but benefit from these.
Also, don't expect to see waiter robots and other service purpose robots getting everywhere that soon, unless there's a real breakthrough in robotics

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 01:55:20 2018 No.9917106
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Hey Anons i'm staring college this fall but i haven't even decided what engineering field to go into. Maybe one of you who is further in this game can help an anon out?

I want to work with robotics so what would be the best discipline to go into? I've heard you can do classes that teach both mechanical and electrical engineering but that seems like a meme. what do you guys think?

Also i'm currently working a non-engineering job to pay for college (i'm in a community college right now to save money going to transfer to a bigger uni later on.) should i just quit to do internships and accept debt?

any help would be great!

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 02:56:48 2018 No.9917193

>>9916320
They're always talking about efficiency, yet will bloat a program to try to get as much money as possible. I mean hey it lets me have a job. If people only knew how gov. contracts squander money that would never happen in private industry. It's funny because we have great accounting practices, but god forbid someone take a step back and say
>gee do we really need 3 project leads for a slightly different iteration of the system that shares 90% of code?
>yes of course, we do, how else can we justify our budget?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 11:06:15 2018 No.9917759 >>9899972 behold, the most successful living physicist

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 11:09:02 2018 No.9917762 >>9900468 took the words out of my mouth

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 11:21:16 2018 No.9917785 >>9911275 decent for middle class, most americans make what, 40-50k? graduating and making 60k+ is pretty decent

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 11:33:47 2018 No.9917803 >>9915904 Dont do CE unless you go right into at least a Masters afterwards.

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 21:27:19 2018 No.9919133

>>9917106
Each uni has it's own engineering program, so it's hard to tell. I think the best choice for you would be a ME major with emphasis on dynamics and control systems. EE would be an alternative, but while you'd have more contact with signals processing and control systems, you'd get little to no basis on the mechanical side. Also, why isn't mechatronics engi an option?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 21:35:38 2018 No.9919155 >>9919133 i think the colleges in my area do offer mechatronics classes but i wasn't quite sure if those classes where a waste of time or not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 21:57:16 2018 No.9919203 >>9917803 I disagree. Unless you had really solid internships or co-ops, I would encourage two or three years of work experience between undergrad and masters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 00:53:56 2018 No.9919534 >>9919155 Mechatronics can't be accredited so you don't know if you're going to some meme program or not

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 02:47:34 2018 No.9919746 >>9917785 >He doesn't realize he will also be making $45k, but with the added burden of student loans

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 02:49:25 2018 No.9919751 >>9917097 >Not really. Just like how CAE software didn't totally ruin the engineering job market, right? The word for this is "denial", anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 02:54:33 2018 No.9919758 >>9919534 accreditation is a meme

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 11:35:25 2018 No.9920377 >>9906616 ME 3.2 2 80k

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 14:46:14 2018 No.9920754 >>9913421 Is there any field service related jobs for ChemEs? Google is not helping can’t seem to search the right phrase of words and I keep getting “what fields do chemical engineers work in” esq shit

Anonymous Mon Aug 6 15:29:07 2018 No.9920879

>>9920754
Field service is almost indifferent to engineering discipline. Just search “Field engineer” or “field service engineer” on the job boards. Companies care more about your ability to be (sometimes quite literally) air dropped onto a site and operate independently. It’s a whole different animal than the cubicle centric design positions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 16:14:19 2018 No.9920994 >>9920879 >and operate independently. How independently? I mean what do they expect an entry level new grad to do on their own?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 17:23:22 2018 No.9921116 Is a shit GPA countered by personal projects and non autistic personality? Currently a senior EE just trying to graduate on time

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 17:25:56 2018 No.9921119 >>9921116 No. Engineering jobs do not care about projects or skills: only the two numbers by your name for GPA and internships. It's absolutely retarded, but that's the way it is.

Anonymous Mon Aug 6 17:27:23 2018 No.9921122

>>9920994
So typically you sign a 2 year contract where you get a nice little wad of dough up front. You do one year on a rotational training assignment where your dispatch/manager sizes you up by pairing you off with other techs/engineers. Once your done with your “grace period” of being a total FNG it’s very much sink or swim. You will be chilling at home and your boss will call you and just give you a destination with maybe an email chain that outlines the customers issue (lol maybe). It’s then entirely on you to take your handy dandy expense card and get yourself there, find the customer, and resolve his problem. Never had to deal with international transport of parts before? Better learn. Don’t speak the language of the customer? Better figure that shit out too. “Help” is remote, via email, and has a 24-36 hour delay. Now are you going to get an international solo assignment your first time out the gate? Probably not, but I’ve seen it happen.

Now, If you can’t do any of this, they just fire you, make you pay back that little bonus they gave you, and move along to the next candidate. As you can guess, the turn over rate for this line of work is horrifying and the guys that stick around to make it a career are special kinds of weird, even for engineers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 07:12:01 2018 No.9922267 Is engineering even worth pursuing anymore?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 07:19:05 2018 No.9922282 >>9922267 Why wouldn't it be?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 07:43:46 2018 No.9922314 Im an industrial engineering major and have 3 semesters left. I have a 2.6gpa and an international student in US. I have no internship experience. How fucked am I?

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 08:08:55 2018 No.9922337

>>9922282
I just see a lot of complaining and misfortune when it comes to finding work. This would make sense since there are many more degrees being given than actual jobs. You and I know that issue is not unique to engineering majors. I would worry that by the time new students start pursuing this career, the value of this type of work will be dramatically lowered. If that occurs, then pay will be lackluster. Maybe I am just being naive and one-dimensional. It would be wonderful to hear some reasons why this view isn't completely true, or outright wrong.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 09:04:59 2018 No.9922400

>>9900949
I think i fucked up, we are required to use a school laptop and I had to take a break for a few semesters for some personal reasons and didn’t backup anything I did into a flashdrive and just gave it to the school ITS department. I have 3 semesters left and everything I did before is gone.
At least I still haven’t taken any big project classes, but still, Why am I so retarded? Am I really fucked? Do they really ask for your “portfolio”?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 12:31:16 2018 No.9922722 >>9922314 rip

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 13:11:09 2018 No.9922804

>>9922400
Don’t hyperventilate, That list is a general guideline. If you are doing most of the other stuff on there, you are probably fine. If you read that post and said “ I haven’t done any of that” you might be in trouble. There are many degrees between lvl 1 shitter and raid boss engineer.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 15:09:04 2018 No.9922996

>EE
>was going to grad school for a year
>unrewarding, stressful as hell
>started applying to jobs
>60 or so in, 1 phone interview, completely unprepared make a fool of myself, next day sorry not the right fit
>other then that get zero feedback

I feel the depression starting to set in already. For a field built up as being prestigous and great it sure makes me feel like shit. Too bad 19 year old me had no clue, sigh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 15:35:52 2018 No.9923023 >>9922996 >60 apps Lol, nigga that’s like 2 weeks worth of apps. Rookie numbers. Come complain after you put out 600.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 15:42:47 2018 No.9923030 >>9922996 >>9923023 wew lads was about to transfer into ee what cunt are you in btw?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 18:16:48 2018 No.9923205 >>9923030 What cunt am I in? My advice do what you want to do, not what makes money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 18:18:44 2018 No.9923207 >>9923023 I'm sure that'll be me shortly soon, nothing on my resume that makes me stand out, not perfect enough for the corportist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 19:18:08 2018 No.9923276 >>9923205 Country.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 19:19:40 2018 No.9923281 >>9923205 Not him, but I assume he means country.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 19:42:41 2018 No.9923352

How are you guys even finding 600 jobs to apply to? I can't believe you tailor your resume to each job description. Are you applying to outdated job listings from 14 months ago or something? Or are you applying to senior level positions that you have no chance of getting? Or positions that are far outside of your skillset?

All this talk of people sending out 700 applications to get 1 job all makes it sound so inflatory.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 20:04:21 2018 No.9923404

>>9923352
it can take a year to get a legit engineering job. 600 apps over a year is nothing. if you were talking about any ol' job out there, 700 might be a lot.

>How are you guys even finding 600 jobs to apply to?

USAJobs, Indeed, company websites, craigslist, and cold calling.

>I can't believe you tailor your resume to each job description.

this isn't that hard. you design your resume such that you can just drop in key words out of the job posting. i do a good tailor job for my top 10-20 companies and then have a generic "catch all" buzzwordy resume that i shotgun across the internet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 21:55:19 2018 No.9923574 >>9923030 you're going to transfer INTO EE? oof

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 22:52:12 2018 No.9923653 >>9923404 Following up, if you just go on glassdoor and search "engineer" and entry level you will see hundreds of positions. If you are more specific you will find hundreds of job postings as well as long as you aren't looking for ChemE jobs.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 22:54:49 2018 No.9923656

>>9922996
>>9923023
Don't listen to these people>>9923352

The only unemployable engineers have bad grades (<3.0), no work experience, shit personalities, or terrible resumes. No student that has good grades, experience, and a good resume submits 700 applications and gets 1 interview.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 23:26:31 2018 No.9923696

I want to work in a project for those sweet resume points and experience. I don't have a particular project of my own, so should I just show up at one of the labs at my department and start talking to the people that are working there. Or should I go talk with a professor and ask him if he's supervising a project and if I can join in?

EE undergrad btw. Help me, I'm kinda autistic for these things.

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 23:52:49 2018 No.9923723

>>9923656
>The only unemployable engineers have bad grades OR no work experience OR shit personalities OR terrible resumes.
So in other words in order to get a job you need high grades AND multiple internships AND be charismatic AND have a perfect resume. That's a very exclusive set of criteria that most people don't meet. lrn2boolean

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 00:09:47 2018 No.9923748

>>9923723
>High Grades
It is just above a 3.0, it isn't that hard to achieve
>Multiple Internships
Any kind of work experience is valid, engineering related work only makes it better
>Charismatic
Nope. Just don't be an asshole or an autist during an interview. I've interviewed new grads who are smug, arrogant, or liars. Don't need to be a chad, just don't be rude or autistic.
>Perfect Resume
No such thing. Just have a clean format and have your information in a presentable way. Quantify what you did and what was accomplished from your actions. Don't just list job responsibilities.

>That's a very exclusive set of criteria that most people don't meet
It really isn't that hard UNLESS you were a terrible student who just did not work for all four years and made 0 friends/networking opportunities.

>bad grades (<3.0), no work experience, shit personalities, or terrible resumes
Which one are you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 01:49:50 2018 No.9923868 >>9906616 CS 3.2 2 150k Most of my colleagues are making more than me, which is why I'll be negotiating a raise soon

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 01:52:00 2018 No.9923870 >>9907704 Which uni?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 01:57:23 2018 No.9923876 >>9921122 So no risk? I think I might try it desu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 02:27:53 2018 No.9923895 M.E. Graduated with a high GPA, no internship experience, a few months of fast food experience from high school. How exactly do I get a job? About to give up and just study coding with Last Resort - Papa Roach playing in the background.

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 05:59:11 2018 No.9924109

>>9899420
This thread is disgraceful.

Can we please just talk about anything besides employment?

What are working on/building today /engi/?

I'm working on a control scheme for a refinement reactor. Currently fitting equation of state parameters for my system.

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 07:12:22 2018 No.9924184

>>9922337
>I just see a lot of complaining and misfortune when it comes to finding work.
Because white males need 2+ internships and 3.5+ GPA if they want to be hired anywhere in the year 2018

Unfortunately many guys don't understand this because no one tells them how affirmative action and our poz'd society works

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 09:28:02 2018 No.9924335 >>9924109 >>/diy/

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 09:39:13 2018 No.9924348 >>9924184 Lmao no we don't need those things. Stop projecting, you sound like one of those guys who hasn't found a job a year after graduating.

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 10:42:53 2018 No.9924423

>>9924109
-trying to get a vendor to implement automated SMS for delivery notifications

-shipping off some busted analytical equipment for refurbishment

-doing condensation calcs for the liquid N2 vaporizers.

-order more RAM for my shitty laptop in the hopes i can get solidworks to converge on a solution without crashing.

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 12:35:27 2018 No.9924636

>>9924348
Like I said, there's an ongoing information suppression campaign designed to keep young, white men from understanding the reality of how corporations actually hire.

3.5 GPA and 2 internships is, admittedly, a slight exaggeration. Do not expect to get any call backs with anything below 3.0 and 1 internship, however. After 200 interviews, maybe you can find a position on the other side of the country.

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