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9896224 No.9896224 [Reply] [Original]

Well, transhumanismfags?

>> No.9896271

>>9896224
Your body does this chemically over a roughly 7 year time span anyway.

>> No.9896280

Difference between OP and second post is that humans retain their memory after replacing their entire body cells. It's our software that makes us who we are. The hardware it's running on contributes to shaping our mind the way it is.

>> No.9896319

>>9896271
>chemically
more like cell-biologically. also it's just a rule of thumb. some cells in the body actually stay like they are the whole time.

>> No.9896322

>>9896224
Trick question. Humans are not compareable because the ship is ascribed its name based on a memory of what it is. Our minds store what it is as electrical signals and the name of the vessel is only remembered by our mind.

In fact, our brains regularly take up memories of dead brain cells into the new ones to keep the witnessed event alive.

Just as an old history teacher does to his young pupil. The dead cells are then flushed away when we dream.

So while the ship is still the same as you remember it, you yourself do the "transhuminising" on a microscale all the time, by replacing pieces of yourself but passing on the mempry of what was to newer pieces of yourself.

>> No.9896332

>>9896280
I wasn't even close btw, as we don't replace neurons, find how to do that gradually and you might keep your identity while having replaced the body entirely. Your original human self will have died, but you will not cease to exists as far as You is concerned.

>> No.9896359

ITT: people don't know that you don't replace neurons and once you're an adult, your neurons are the same your whole life.

>> No.9896382

>>9896319
The molecules are still exchanged

>> No.9896396

>>9896382
no they didn't.
some of the cells stay like they were.

>> No.9896400

>>>/his/

>> No.9896403

>>9896382
Why would molecules be exchanged? Do they get old or something? Think about what you’re saying.

>> No.9897208

>>9896224
No. It's a better object

>> No.9897230

>>9896224

what do you consider an "object" and what do you mean by "same"?

>> No.9897257

Reality is made of maths. Forces and objects are math structures, and the interaction is because from that viewpoint our consciousness arose and we sought similarities to help predict existence. Some distributions of amplitude distributions we call quarks, some we call lightspeed edge of physics, etc,, within there, some structures think they are alive in the emergent multiverse. Alive things seek to stay alive, evolve and reproduce, and here we are, asking these questions.

#FractalUniverseRevolution !

>> No.9897273

>>9897208
Lel this

>> No.9898342

ITT: Brainlets

>> No.9898358
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9898358

What's the point of these threads?

You are asking a philosophical question to a bunch of science undergrads who have a deformed idea of what philosophy is product of the stupidity of their popsci idols. You will get a bunch of garbage answers and then a few days later /sci/ will complain about how dumb philosophy is.

>> No.9898389

>>9896224
Persistence of memory is all that matters.

>> No.9898421

>>9897230
>what do you consider an "object"
nigger
>>9897230
>what do you mean by "same"?
faggot

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9898433

/thread. and theseus's ship is the one that he wants to use.

>> No.9898439

>>9898433
meant for>>9896280

>> No.9898759

more like trabsmemenism

>> No.9899051

>>9897257
#FUR is at ideathmatch.com if anyanon feels like troling. Well wound algorithm.

>> No.9899063

>>9896224
Yes because the mind is the same. You are your mind, not your body.

>> No.9899080

>>9896271
DNA stays the same doesnt it?

>> No.9899082

>>9899063
so your mind is still like the day you were born? figures.

>> No.9899101

Your consciousness exists in the patterns of energy and quantum entanglement within the brain, not the brain itself. You all seemingly fail to understand this. Arguing about this topic is like arguing that transferring a live application from running on one stick of RAM to running on another makes it different software.

One day we will be able to replace our entire bodies with nanobots. As long as the nanobots replacing our brain cells with quantum computer circuitry are capable of reproducing the same entanglements and the same patterns of energy flow, we will be able to have fully synthetic bodies while retaining our sentience.

>> No.9899203

>>9896224
If I had the answer what sould I do with it ?

>> No.9899204

>>9899203
Where should I go ?

>> No.9899217

>>9896280
If I create a perfectly identical copy of you and place it next to you, do you think you will experience what it experiences? It will be "a you" but it won't be "the you", and it will diverge from you the moment it starts existing. If you die, it will live on but you will still be fucking dead.

>> No.9899229

>>9899080
nope, DNA in cells has structural portions hat are altered permanently during the normal cell lifetime

>> No.9899259

>>9899229
k thx I didnt know that.

>> No.9899301

>>9899217
Consciousness does not disappear. Boltzman brain at the least. Quantum immortality at the meek. Heavens and Hells emulated by moral busybodies also. Becoming and having had been allknowing, ah, if only. : D

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9899315

>>9896396
>>9896403

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9899517

>>9899229
They are altered BUT always repaired. If not, the cell dies or cancers appear.

>> No.9899588

>>9899301
Stop spouting bullshit you saw on a popsci youtube video. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>> No.9899746

>>9899588
I have a #BAUniC idea of what I am talking about... : P

>> No.9899773

>>9896359
ITT: debunked popsci

>> No.9900185

>>9899517
It's not just telomers, there are other structural entities and even some promoter loci that are shifted or cut out from DNA over the lifetime of a cell, this happens in specialized cells and is mediated by some kind of esoteric mutagens at some unspecified point in time for cells of the liver. If you ever find out what causes that, you can go get your nobel prize 3 years after you publish

>> No.9900190

>>9896359
>you don't replace neurons
you do
you just keep the dead ones

>> No.9900217

>>9898358
This

>> No.9900280

>>9896224
What does /sci/ think of the Moravec Transfer?

>> No.9900452

>>9899301
>blah blah
ok brainlet

consciousness, whatever the fuck it is, is dependent upon the substrate system that is the human mind. There is no direct interaction between the instance of consciousness in your brain and that in an exact copy of your physical body, so there is no backpropagation or continuity.

>> No.9900471

>>9900452
So, you will die, because your consciousness cannot reach between thinkalikes, and the believers in quantum immortality, who can reach branches of reality that are similar and alive.

>> No.9900475

>>9900471
> blah blah blah blah
You will be in for a hell of a shock when you just die and your copies live on in the net lmao