The IQ Thread to End IQ threads

[Brandon !!tbkOPmI7bEB No.9888292]

Getting pretty tired of the endless IQ threads, so I figured I would put some common myths to rest.

I have taken the WAIS-IV, a clinical IQ assessment. Ask me literally anything about IQ or legitimate IQ tests and I will answer it.

[Anonymous No.9888307]

What is the comprehensive definition of "intelligence" that IQ tests measure.

[Anonymous No.9888314]

>>9888307
It measures needyness. How much you need other peoples acknowledgement of how awesome you are. Really awesome people know they are awesome and they don't need some silly test to tell them.

[Brandon !!tbkOPmI7bEB No.9888315]

>>9888307
Your ability to solve complex problems.

[Anonymous No.9888316]

WAIS is not fully a test for fluid intelligence. For example, it tests person's vocabulary, something which can be practiced.

You might as well calculate someone's IQ by how well they play chess. It's a skill you can get better at by practicing, but has high correlation with intelligence.

[Brandon !!tbkOPmI7bEB No.9888320]

>>9888316
The WAIS is considered the most "accurate" IQ test in common use. It measures both fluid intelligence and crystallized intelligence.

I disagree with the concept of IQ, but as far as IQ tests are concerned, it is by far the most valid.

[Anonymous No.9888326]

>>9888315
I think what you meant to say was "the relative speed at which you are able to solve complex problems.
Otherwise they would just give you the test with unlimited time

[Anonymous No.9888330]

>>9888320
>It measures both fluid intelligence and crystallized intelligence.
This is exactly the problem. These are separate things and should thus be tested separately.

A real IQ test consists solely of culturally independent progressive matrices, like in case of Mensa.

[Brandon !!tbkOPmI7bEB No.9888331]

>>9888330
Why should they be tested separately? Fluid and crystallized intelligence both factor into one's IQ.

[Anonymous No.9888341]

I feel like finding out you have a low IQ would make you give up on certain goals, but a high IQ wouldn't change your goals much at all. If you found out you had a really high IQ (150+) would you feel obligated to become a turbo geek?

[Anonymous No.9888359]

>>9888331
What's the purpose of "IQ" if you can get higher scores by practicing it?

[Anonymous No.9888366]

>>9888359
You can increase your score, but there is an absolute limit to this.

[Brandon !!tbkOPmI7bEB No.9888425]

>>9888359
You can't take the WAIS more than once within six months, actually.

[Anonymous No.9888431]

If you have high iq you can internalize and then use many different uncommon words with minimal exposure. I’ve read like 5 books in my entire life and yet I probably have a top 10% vocabulary and I don’t even try to.

[Anonymous No.9888452]

>>9888341
>If you found out you had a really high IQ (150+) would you feel obligated to become a turbo geek?
It commonly occurs the opposite, most people that find out they have a high IQ (especially if they find out when they are still young) start getting lazy and don't take any advice from "dumber" people. I think it's better to ignore it (most famous scientists/physicists never gave a fuck about their IQ) than to get obsessed over a number. I prefer not knowing my IQ and accept that I'm probably average, so I never understimate any subject or project. It's working pretty nice (Summa Cum Laude ME-EE dual major). IQ testing on adults is almost pseudoscience anyway

[Anonymous No.9889621]

>>9888425
What I'm saying is that if one were to spend some time memorizing words before the test, they would do much better in the vocabulary portion of WAIS than if they didn't memorize words. This would have positive effect on the person's overall WAIS score. This is a flaw in the test since memorizing words does actually not increase person's intelligence.

Like I said, if we are to measure a person's intelligence by something they can practice, we might as well use chess skill as a measure. For example, if your FIDE rating is 1500, you have IQ of 100, and so on. Then your IQ increases if you memorize openings and tactical patterns. Sounds silly, right?

There's a reason why Mensa's test doesn't include nonsense like this.

[Anonymous No.9889626]

>>9888316
why cant you practise intelligence.

[Anonymous No.9889628]

>>9888326
stop trying to be smart, theres a difference between defining something and the way you measure it.

>>9888359
this criticism applies to any cognitive measure. dont let it distract you from the real questions buddy.

[Anonymous No.9889629]

>>9888314
t. Steven Hawking, needy theoretical physicist

[Anonymous No.9889634]

>>9888292
Fuck off Brandon.

[Anonymous No.9889637]

>>9889621
You're retarded. Vocabulary tests are the best predictors of IQ. The dumber you are, the harder it is for you to retain new words.

[Anonymous No.9889638]

>>9889621
i contend that in a test like an IQ test, memorizing words is a highly inefficient way to get a good mark on it. the abilities on this part of the test is also more complicated than just storing words in memory. And its not hard to find other reasons why chess isnt used.

i still dont understand why you have this a priori definition that IQ cant be improved by practise. also why do you put mensa on a pedestal as if it is a prestigious scientific/psychological organisation.

[Anonymous No.9889640]

>>9889628
>stop trying to be smart, theres a difference between defining something and the way you measure it.
Then why not give them the test with unlimited time?
You managed to call me stupid while not dealing with my contention.
Congratulations!

[Anonymous No.9889642]

>>9889637
Wow, IQ is shit, then.

[Anonymous No.9889660]

>>9889642
You truly are a moron.

[Anonymous No.9889669]

>>9888316
These vocabulary tests are bullshit.
Why do people even use them, if they can simply use culture-fair matrix tests?

>>9888331
IQ is whatever you define it.

>>9888341
>If you found out you had a really high IQ (150+) would you feel obligated to become a turbo geek?
156 here(Cattell). Nah, I'm turbo geek by choice.
But you are right, there is nothing good out of learning your own IQ. It's just either mental masturbation or looking for excuse.

>>9888431
I focus on engineering, programming and math. I've never even read a non-technical book in my life, so if you count vocabulary I would probably score much lower. Testing vocabulary is pointless in my opinion, only pattern recognition and abstract thinking should be considered.

>>9889621
You can practice and fake matrixes much easier than words.

>>9889637
IQ is predicted by whatever you want. There is no absolute method of measuring IQ.

[Anonymous No.9889737]

>>9889669
Hello JIDF

[Anonymous No.9889766]

>>9889669
Your vocabulary (and prior knowledge in general) sets the limits to what patterns you are able to recognize.
I probably have the same iq I had when I was tested as a child for GAT, though I am much smarter. Do you read things like internet encyclopedias and literature from many different fields? If you really only learn about a few things chances are that you are a huge brainlet.

[Anonymous No.9889806]

>>9889737
>JIDF
But, why?

>>9889766
>Your vocabulary (and prior knowledge in general) sets the limits to what patterns you are able to recognize.
But I would put a line between knowledge and intelligence. Vocabulary depends on knowledge, but matrices do not, in general. Eg. high IQ physician won't be able to solve complex CS problems and vice versa, but they both should be similarly good at solving abstract problems unrelated to their fields. But that just my opinion on IQ, maybe I just don't like that I would score less if it would be more than matrices. But I just don't like the idea of IQ score being sum of other scores that aren't related and proportions might differ among people. It feels like adding Arts to STEM etc.

>>9889766
>Do you read things like internet encyclopedias and literature from many different fields? If you really only learn about a few things chances are that you are a huge brainlet.
Yeah, even across my field, I do pretty much everything, from bare metal and hardware design to VR/AR development. Theoretical CS is really interesting too.
But yeah, I read about everything I find interesting. Eg. lately I found out my knowledge about relativistic physics from HS is really lacking and full of paradoxes so I got some dive into it. Discrete Math is so fun too, of course.

[Anonymous No.9889813]

>>9889806
>But, why?
It's a common Jewish subversion tactic to reply to everyone simultaneously so they're all talking to you rather than each other.

[Anonymous No.9889820]

>>9889813
JIDF false flag bluepill cuck shill.
>>9889806
Let me break it down for you sweetie. This is a redpill board, we hate Jews, women, leftists and people of color here, but we love Donald Trump.

[Anonymous No.9890674]

>>9888292
>vocab section
Wow, great test.

[Anonymous No.9890865]

>>9889813
>>9889820
Out of all these things, I don't read /pol/, sorry.

[Anonymous No.9891001]

@9888292
Fuck off brandon.

[Anonymous No.9891018]

>>9890865
It happens all over the internet, not just /pol/
The JIDF is real, and Israel admits it
>Not everything on /pol/ is a crazy conspiracy theory
>Only most of it

[Anonymous No.9891081]

>>9889640
you're a stupid nigger

[Anonymous No.9891979]

>>9888431
So you read 5 dictionaries in your entire life?

[Anonymous No.9891982]

>>9889621
But some genius are called genius because of how much they can memorize

[Anonymous No.9891998]

>>9891982
Apples and oranges. If someone has better memory than others, then yeah, this factors into their intelligence. But if some person has memorized some useless trivia to appear smart, this doesn't make them more intelligent than others.

[Anonymous No.9892006]

>>9888292
is this legit http://sifter.org/iqtest/

[Anonymous No.9892009]

>>9888292

[Anonymous No.9892011]

>>9888359
>what's the purpose of "bench press" if you can work at it and get better/stronger?