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alright /sci/fags,
i have to study a research paper for my bachelor's thesis. in the technical appendix of this paper a certain approximation is used and i simply cannot manage to derive this approximation. it looks very much like a second order taylor expansion, there are some problems. here it is:
the scalar Xt is the state of a dynamic system at time t, X is this variable's steady-state. imagine whatever you want, current, temperature, in my case it is consumption. the authors give the following approximation:

Xt/X = 1 + ln(Xt/X) + 0.5 * (ln(Xt/X))^2

how do you derive that?
i thought of the following:

if you write down the 2nd order taylor expansion for ln(Xt) around X you get:

ln(Xt) = ln(X) + 1/X * (Xt - X) - 0.5 * 1/(X)^2 * (Xt - X)^2

(Xt - X) can be rewritten as X(Xt/X - 1) and Xt/X - 1 is the 1st order taylor expansion of ln(Xt/X). therefore the equation above can be transformed to:

ln(Xt) = ln(X) + ln(Xt/X) - 0.5 * (ln(Xt/X))^2

substracting ln(X) gives ln(Xt/X) on the left hand side. using the 1st oder tayler expansion only on this left hand side (i.e. rewriting it as Xt/X -1) lets you transform this equation to:

Xt/X = 1 + ln(Xt/X) - 0.5 * (ln(Xt/X))^2

which is almost the formular provided by the authors of my paper. you might think the just misprinted the sign before 0.5. i plotted the two approximation formulars, one with the positive sign, one with the negative sign. X was arbitrarily decided to be 5. so Xt/X is Xt/5 (red), the shit approximation (green) is the one derived above with the negative sign, and the rather good one (blue) is the one given by the authors.

what am i missing?


TL;DR i will keep posting nudes till someone answers my question!

>> No.988795
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988795

bump

>> No.988802
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988802

>OP think someone understand him on 4chan.

>> No.988812

gb2/b/

>> No.988813

I'm wating pretty hard here op.

>> No.988814
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988814

flood...

>> No.988822
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988822

last one wasn't really nude...

>> No.988828

c'mon guys, anyone?

>> No.988836
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988836

still waiting...

>> No.988848
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autobump

>> No.988851

In order to approximate, don't you need a discrete data set? I'm very fuzzy on this kind of math but it seems to me you've left out som crucial information.

>> No.988857

lrn2latex

>> No.988860
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>>988802

even highschool graduates should be able to understand what i am talking about...

>> No.988862

>if you write down the 2nd order taylor expansion for ln(Xt) around X you get:

>ln(Xt) = ln(X) + 1/X * (Xt - X) - 0.5 * 1/(X)^2 * (Xt - X)^2
No, unless I'm missing something it should be
ln(Xt) = ln(X) + 1/X * (Xt - X) + 0.5 * 1/(X)^2 * (Xt - X)^2
Since the Taylor expansion is f(a) + f'(a)*(x-a)/1! + f''(a)*(x-a)^2/2!...

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>>988857
latex-code isn't working in 4chan, is it?

>>988851
i don't really understand what you mine. to my knowledge you can make a taylor expansion to any real or complex valued funtion. maybe you can elaborate your concern.

>> No.988888

>>988871
> isn't working
> can't read the small text directly below where he posts

Also if you're going to post NSFW shit at least make it loli/jailbait/traps.

>> No.988891

>>988871
>latex-code isn't working in 4chan, is it?
Need to put it in <span class="math">[/spoiler] tags.

<span class="math">ln(Xt) = ln(X) + 1/X * (Xt - X) + 0.5 * 1/(X)^2 * (Xt - X)^2[/spoiler]

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>>988862

true, but f"(x) is - (1/x)^2 for f(x) = ln(x), right?

>> No.988896

lrn2 work safe board

>> No.988903

>>988891
As it didn't show up, the tags are {math} {/math}, but with brackets (e.g. [] ) instead of curly braces.

>> No.988917
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988917

test

<span class="math">Xt/X = 1 + ln(Xt/X) - 0.5 * (ln(Xt/X))^2[/spoiler]

>> No.988919

>>988822

I could dive right in to that shit. It looks delicious.

>> No.988933
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>>988862
>>988885

any more ideas?

>> No.988945

>>988917
why do I look at that and think of giger...

>> No.988954
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>>988945
why don't you take a look at this >>988785 ?

>> No.988957

>>988888
/sci/ - Porn Connoisseurs

Also, 88888 get.

>> No.988967
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damp

>> No.988972

Hey that's not funny, that's how I got a three day ban from /g/!

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>>988862

you. anon. you knew what you were talking about help me, please.

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989003

ok, i'm giving it up. /sci/, i am disappoint, going back to /b/.

>> No.989007

>i will keep posting nudes till someone answers my question!
>no one answers

> ∴ /sci/ apparently likes nudes more than homework. QED.

>> No.989091

>>988885
Which makes that term negative, not positive.