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Anonymous Wed Jul 18 09:54:23 2018 No.9876422 [Reply] [Original]

Can space colonization be profitable?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 09:55:13 2018 No.9876424 >>9876422 no kek i wish

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 09:57:31 2018 No.9876430 >>9876422 Economically, maybe. Existentially, yes. It literally allows the human race to exist for a longer period of time without the threat of sudden extinction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 10:06:32 2018 No.9876450 >>9876422 Not yet. Some critical technologies need to exist for it to be, namely fusion power.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 10:07:49 2018 No.9876453 >>9876450 what about protecting against radiation and the degradation of the body in low gravity situation?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 10:13:22 2018 No.9876457 >>9876453 Spin the habitats?

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 10:14:59 2018 No.9876462

>>9876453
You can protect against radiation (on planet) by building underground.

You can alleviate the effects of low gravity in multiple ways, some of which already exist. My personal favorite coincides with fusion via use of VASIMR thrusters (provided they're actually not a meme) they could potentially be used to accelerate and decelerate a ship at a constant acceleration of 1g provided fusion can supply them with enough energy (and waste heat isn't a massive problem).

Use of centrifuges and workout machines are more realistic goals however.

The effects of say Mars vs Earth gravity over the long term remains to be seen however.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 10:18:44 2018 No.9876469 >>9876462 >The effects of say Mars vs Earth gravity over the long term remains to be seen however. Just spend the majority of your time inside centrifuge habitats.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 10:23:21 2018 No.9876474 >>9876469 While I'm sure machines to simulate 1g would be built, what I mean is we don't really know yet how necessary they will be. We know 0g is bad, but 0.4g on Mars might be enough that there will be no ill effects.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 10:27:59 2018 No.9876480 >>9876474 Wouldn't it be better to be on the safe side?

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 10:40:35 2018 No.9876492

>>9876480
Like I said, I'm sure they will be built to be on the safe side, but if we're looking for long-term viability and profitability as per this thread then investigations will have to be made on permanent low gravity habitation.

Some of it may happen naturally in a large enough colony, people don't bother to go to the centrifuges, others get pregnant etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 10:42:53 2018 No.9876495 >>9876492 That's how you end up with bitter belters!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 11:57:20 2018 No.9876633 >>9876422 Otto Von Bismarck thought colonialism was a waste of time, as you could form alliances and trades with friends for the same costs at the end of the day. Unless you can find special substances in spaces, then it's an economic waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 12:01:20 2018 No.9876637 >>9876422 Not even earth colonization is profitable. There is a reason the chinese never did it. The colonies ruined the europeans economically, and the only reason they were kept around were prestige or geopolitical.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 12:03:37 2018 No.9876639 We always find a way to make a profit off of land. I don’t see why someone can’t privatize mining for resources in spess

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 12:10:22 2018 No.9876659 Yes, but the upfront cost is too high for any group to successfully undertake it. We are too short term thinking to ever pay the cost of bootrapping up to a space economy. I suspect we will run out of food, factionalize, and go extinct.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 12:18:56 2018 No.9876671 >>9876430 But who's gonna pay for it? You?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 12:19:58 2018 No.9876675 >>9876659 >We are too short term thinking We are too short lived. When people live for millions of years, you'll find a lot more support for space exploration.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 12:23:48 2018 No.9876685 >>9876637 this must be bait

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 23:46:17 2018 No.9878003 File: 22 KB, 158x214, OnEil.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9876422 According to this guy, yes it can. The initial investment will be a painful experience though but one that will be worth it in the long run.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 23:46:57 2018 No.9878005 Sadly, yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 00:01:37 2018 No.9878035 >>9876671 If my plan works out, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 00:51:11 2018 No.9878120 >>9878035 So no

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 00:54:33 2018 No.9878127 >>9878120 It will, don't you worry. Within a decade, I'll be a very wealthy anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 00:55:50 2018 No.9878128 >>9876422 Does it need to be profitable? If it can become self-sustaining, who needs profit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 01:16:33 2018 No.9878160 >>9876633 The moon is rich in gold & platinum

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:03:48 2018 No.9878211 >>9876450 Fusion is about to be solved (google SPARC), launch costs are about to drop to essentially nothing, this is it bro, we made it to the space age. Feels fucking good man.

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:22:22 2018 No.9878225

>>9876430
>It literally allows the human race to exist for a longer period of time
No one cares about the fucking human race. I care about myself and my descendants, and so does everyone else. The human race is a fucking abstraction. Random tribes in the Amazon rainforest can go extinct for all I care. Any colony established to "perpetuate the human race" is going to face the threat of extinction quite expediently because no one really buys that as a goal. I suspect that future space colonists will be extremely religious, for the same reasons. Facing the abyss of space is hard.

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:24:29 2018 No.9878226

>>9876633
>Otto Von Bismarck thought colonialism was a waste of time
And he was right. The first space colonists will probably be religious zealots, either ones escaping from persecution on Earth, or some sectarians for whom space itself has a special spiritual significance.

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:32:17 2018 No.9878238
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>>9878226
Yeah there will be religious groups of all sorts, but most of people who go to space will do so exactly because pic related. Much like the colonial days, people are sick of the same old shit and want new frontiers to push and don't give a shit about the risks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:33:06 2018 No.9878239 >>9878225 Fine then, see the human race as your descendants, because that's what they are.

>>	My name is nirthgurd IV Thu Jul 19 02:35:57 2018 No.9878242 >>9878238 Yes, except the original Europeans who colonized North America didn't all die horribly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:38:02 2018 No.9878246 >>9878239 No, that's not what they are at all. Why are you faggots so bad with abstraction? I'd expect it from the average Joe but you're supposed to know better. Getting away from brainlets like you might be one good reason to start a space colony.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:39:30 2018 No.9878251 >>9878242 >Implying everyone who tries to colonise space will all die horribly Cool meme bro.

>>	My name is nirthgurd IV Thu Jul 19 02:41:50 2018 No.9878254 >>9878251 The only people who think colonizing space is possible are basically science illiterate/retarded, so yes if they do attempt it they will likely die horribly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:42:21 2018 No.9878255 >>9878246 I don't think you know how generations work, friend. I'm almost certainly related to you, that's what I mean.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:42:57 2018 No.9878257 >>9878254 2/10

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:47:42 2018 No.9878264 >>9878254 Work on cryogenics, which could be successful if concurrent with nanomachines to repair the microfactures that occur from the flash cooling process.

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:48:54 2018 No.9878271

>>9876685
He is right though. Colonisation on Earth was a net economic drain on the European states that endeavoured in it. Why do you think Germany (together with weak allies) was able to fight both France and England (and their allies) which were massive, global Empires at the time of WW1 and almost win? The only colony that was profitable for the British Empire was India. All of its African colonies were a complete dead weight for example. Colonies like Canada and Australia were neutral economically (the Empire spending just as much as it got out of them).

The English and the French didn't start empires because it was profitable, but because it was in their blood. The English ruling class is descended from the Normans, vikings that hated work and liked to rape, pillage, and conquer. The only colonial powers that managed to profit from it were Spain and Portugal, and it didn't help them in the long run at all, since all the silver and gold they got out of there ended up in China in the end, and they stagnated compared to other European powers (like the Dutch, whom they had once ruled). Intensive development is all that matters in the long run. Gains in efficiency. Technological development.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:49:57 2018 No.9878273 >>9878255 We're also both related to amoebas, if you go down that route. It's meaningless.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:53:35 2018 No.9878283 >>9878273 All life is precious, anon. That's exactly what I mean. We're all family on this rock.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:54:11 2018 No.9878285 >>9878283 No.

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:58:13 2018 No.9878294

>>9878285
It is. Whilst there probably is other life, considering the scale of the universe, however we can only say for certain that Earth houses life. Considering just how rare life might be, it is precious to me and everyone who isn't a brain-dead vogue misanthropic nihilistic piece of so-called egoist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:01:25 2018 No.9878303 >>9878294 No.

>>	My name is nirthgurd IV Thu Jul 19 03:07:48 2018 No.9878308 >>9878285 >>9878303 Your insolence will not go unpunished.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:10:39 2018 No.9878312 >>9878303 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:17:56 2018 No.9878314 File: 867 KB, 890x1162, angrey.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9878312 NO!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:26:39 2018 No.9878334 File: 98 KB, 1280x720, yes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9878314 YES!

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