A simple question about neurogenesis

[Anonymous No.9869596]

We all know that the yooman brain holds about an average of 100,000,000 (one hundred billion) neurons, and we all know that this number can be greatly heightened through increasing the nerve growth factor, and as a result, increasing neurogenesis, with nutrition, and more importantly, Nootropics.

The question is, exactly by how much can you increase your nerve growth factor, or, more simply put, the rate at which your brain generates neurons? Is there a percentage I can see? Is there a specific numerical estimate? Is there some sort of pie chart or bar graph?

How can we see the contrast of the speed at which a brain that IS well nourished, generate neurons, compared to a brain that is not so well nourished generate neurons?

Is there anywhere I can look to see a sharp or accurate estimate?

To put it even more simply; exactly how effective are nootropics in increasing the generation of neurons?

[Anonymous No.9869599]

Placebos seem to work pretty well

[Anonymous No.9869618]

Name some proven nootropics!

[Anonymous No.9869634]

>>9869618
I'm having difficulties believing these are serious responses. Literally all of them are proven to nourish the brain and give improvements. Garbage like modafinil and adderal are not nootropics. Nootropics are all natural and rely on nutrients to increase neuron generation. Now, without trying to halfassedly change the subject, give me the percentage I asked for, or gtfo summerfag.

[Anonymous No.9869639]

dude you can't ask for a mathmatical caluclation of neuron growth in a living yooman

jesus christ

[Anonymous No.9869647]

>>9869639
I said give me an accurate estimate.

[Anonymous No.9869664]

>>9869618
alcohol

[Anonymous No.9869700]

There is only one Nootropic in existence that actually works, all others are complete placebo effect garbage or aderall that’s been rebranded falsely.
Cerebrolysin is taken by injecting fluid directly into your biceps. You have to know your shit to use if, like the fact that each bicep can only hold about 5 mLs of fluid before it “leaks.” The stuff is made in Austria and sold in Russia, and those are basically the only two places you can buy it. Luckily, there’s the internet, but the substance is completely banned in the US and is banned in most other developed countries without the ability to prove that you are in the medical field and need to use it for treatment or testing.
If you want your data, that is the Nootropic to test.

Now that that’s set aside, we have to look at how much of the brain can actually be rebuilt using Cerebrolysin. The fact is, Cerebrolysin only really revives old dead Neurons, not creates new ones. Certainly, it can stimulate some limited growth, but more likely than not at the rate where you’d be measuring in Neurons per day, never seeing significant figures above the triple digits. That’s because Cerebrolysin isn’t designed for biohacking to get more brain cells; it’s for treating brain damage and dementia. And considering that it’s the only thing that actually works, that would mean that the average growth rate for nootropics is likely a very small number.

[Anonymous No.9869715]

>>9869596
look at this OP, I'll find this link later, if you find it link here pls.

[Anonymous No.9869730]

>>9869700
>There is only one Nootropic in existence that actually works, all others are complete placebo effect garbage or aderall that’s been rebranded falsely.

Where is the evidence of this? I stated that nootropics nourish the brain, with natural ingredients that are derived from all kinds of plants and other materials that are proven to increase NGF. If they didn't work, then neither would vegetables or fruits, they're literally a compilation of vegetables stuffed into pills, with other extra side-nutrients derived from other stuff like trees and fungi. I also stated that Adderal and Modafinil aren't nootropics, rather, 'smart drugs' Cerebrolysin isn't a nootropic at all either, it's a mixture of peptides, which are amino acid monomers linked by amide bonds. A simple google search shows that. What a simple google search doesn't show is the question asked above.

Although the answer you gave me is believable, I read that at peak neurogenesis levels, the human brain, at least for newborns, I say again, NEWBORNS Is capable of generating 200,000 neurons per minute. Obviously neurogenesis, as said before, is determined by the amount of nutrition a brain recieves.

>>9869715
If that tab's still up for you, do you mind finding a neuronal generation comparison between a nourished brain and a malnourished brain? Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.9869873]

>>9869715

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/abstract/S2211-1247(18)30755-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropomyosin_receptor_kinase_B#Agonists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTOR#Complexes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HT2A_receptor#Full_agonists
5-HT2a Agonists: 25H/NB series (e.g., 25I-NBF, 25I-NBMD, 25I-NBOH, 25I-NBOMe, 25B-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, 25TFM-NBOMe, 2CBCB-NBOMe, 25CN-NBOH, 2CBFly-NBOMe) 2Cs (e.g., 2C-B, 2C-E, 2C-I, 2C-T-2, 2C-T-7, 2C-T-21) 2C-B-FLY 2CB-Ind 5-Methoxytryptamines (5-MeO-DET, 5-MeO-DiPT, 5-MeO-DMT, 5-MeO-DPT, 5-MT) α-Alkyltryptamines (e.g., 5-Cl-αMT, 5-Fl-αMT, 5-MeO-αET, 5-MeO-αMT, α-Me-5-HT, αET, αMT) AL-34662 AL-37350A Bromo-DragonFLY Dimemebfe DMBMPP DOx (e.g., DOB, DOC, DOI, DOM) Efavirenz Ergolines (e.g., 1P-LSD, ALD-52, bromocriptine, cabergoline, ergine (LSA), ergometrine (ergonovine), ergotamine, lisuride, LA-SS-Az, LSB, LSD, LSD-Pip, LSH, LSP, methylergometrine (methylergonovine), pergolide) Flumexadol Jimscaline Lorcaserin MDxx (e.g., MDA (tenamfetamine), MDMA (midomafetamine), MDOH, MMDA) O-4310 Oxaflozane PHA-57378 PNU-22394 PNU-181731 RH-34 Phenethylamines (e.g., lophophine, mescaline) Piperazines (e.g., BZP, quipazine, TFMPP) Serotonin (5-HT) TCB-2 TFMFly Tryptamines (e.g., 5-BT, 5-CT, bufotenin, DET, DiPT, DMT, DPT, psilocin, psilocybin, tryptamine)

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>>9861757

Thank me later!

[Anonymous No.9869887]

>>9869618
ssri's, le joos based drug to corrupt and destroy supreme wh*toids

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5432636/

[Anonymous No.9869893]

>>9869596
>>9869618
Mind Lab Pro is shit from my experience. Phenylpiracetam and L-Theanine are my 2 favorite nootropics.

[Anonymous No.9869899]

>>9869893
Did you only take a 60 capsule package of MLP? Besides that though, one of the ingredients of MLP is L-theanine hehehe. Also, Phenylpiracetam is synthetic so therefore not a nootropic.

[Anonymous No.9869906]

>>9869899
>Did you only take a 60 capsule package of MLP?
Usually. Do you recommend taking more?

>Besides that though, one of the ingredients of MLP is L-theanine hehehe.
But a lot less than a single 200mg pill of pure L-theanine.

>Also, Phenylpiracetam is synthetic so therefore not a nootropic.
That... doesn't make any sense. I am unaware of any definitions of "nootropics" that exclude synthetic substances.

[Anonymous No.9869908]

>>9869873
Interesting read, but unfortunately I could not find any clear answer to my question so it still remains.

[Anonymous No.9869909]

>>9869700
What happens if you do it without injecting it?

[Anonymous No.9869924]

>>9869906
>do you recommend taking more?
Highly, Nootropics require a rolling start to be effective as they serve as building blocks for the brain. Adding a few blocks to an already high tower will bring about only slightly noticeable results. More blocks = more noticeable results.

>but a lot less than a single 200mg pill of pure L-Theanine
However, while the amount is halved, relying on L-Theanine alone is not enough for a healthy brain. There are many more nutrients which are necessary. Of course a possibility is to just order them all separately and take them all at once from all kinds of different bottles, but some ingredients are much harder to find in pharmacies and nutrition stores or cost more alone than the nootropic stack sometimes. At the end of the day, at least you're still getting L-Theanine.

>That... doesn't make any sense. I am unaware of any definitions of "nootropics" that exclude synthetic substances.
I read somewhere a time ago that nootropics are usually all natural. Either way, they're very different from smart drugs.

[Anonymous No.9869954]

>>9869596
Stop samefagging your shitty marketing thread

[Anonymous No.9870003]

The only thing that isn't a placebo is proper sleep, good nutrition, and stimulants.

[Anonymous No.9870037]

>>9869873
so LSD makes you literally smarter?

[Anonymous No.9870062]

>>9870003
As stated above.

[Anonymous No.9870146]

>>9869596
>To put it even more simply; exactly how effective are nootropics in increasing the generation of neurons?
Dihexa. It makes normal mice into supermice. It makes retard mice into superior mice. It gives you Chad charisma and improved memory and critical thinking skills. Too much makes you slightly autistic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/3fblne/dihexa_a_1week_trial_in_review/?st=jjmyq7r7&sh=a0e56d84

https://nootropix.com/dihexa-story-science-experience/

[Anonymous No.9870207]

>>9870146
Wow. What a find anon! Will definitely be researching this. What are the repercussions of overdosing on this?

[Anonymous No.9870268]

>>9870207
Not him, but a risk might be accelerating your brains natural processes increasing chances of tumors, maybe ending up increasing chances of neurodegenerative disease later in life. There hasn't been a lot of research of effects in healthy humans though.

[Anonymous No.9870274]

>>9870268
I see. Ok then.

[Anonymous No.9870970]

>>9869618
Piracetam, cerebrolysin, semax, galantamine, PRL853, P21.

[Anonymous No.9871508]

>>9869634
>natural

[Anonymous No.9871555]

>>9869909
It just doesn’t work. If it just goes into your blood or you ingest it orally, it just goes through your system, comes out in your piss.

[Anonymous No.9871577]

the real answer i want is how to study and retain things. I fucking hate investing so much time reading and trying to analyze stuff and then forget about it after some time.
There has to be a fuckin way to learn and retain knowledge.

[Anonymous No.9871590]

>>9871577
Take nootropics to increase your neuron production and distribution speed so that learning and retaining key ideas and subjects will be a lot less straining.

[Anonymous No.9871592]

>>9871508
Most of them are natural.

[Anonymous No.9871603]

>>9869596
It's another OP doesn't understand the legal distinction between drugs and dietary supplements when evaluating effectiveness claims by marketers and sellers thread.

[Anonymous No.9871605]

>>9869634
Literally none of the studies proved anything. Try to find a legit study on any nootropic that isn't illegal, can be bought or doesn't need a rx

[Anonymous No.9871638]

>>9871577
You have to continue to use the information that you’ve learned.

[Anonymous No.9871692]

>>9871605
Did you understand what I said about the nutrients in the nootropics previously? Why do you need proof for something that even a retard can understand? It's not rocket science, the supplements contain nutrients for the brain, the same ones that are found in salads. If nootropics don't work, then neither do salads. These are basically, as I've said before, salads in a pill. How do you fail to understand such a simple concept? It's like gravity, or color. What the fuck are you doing on a board like this as such a retard. How the fuck are you even breathing? Fuck you nigger.

[Anonymous No.9871783]

>>9871692
>Nootropics are basically salads in a pill
/sci/ isn't ready for this level of understanding

[Anonymous No.9871812]

>>9871783
Well isn't that just flattering.

[Anonymous No.9872190]

Nootropics are a meme.

[Anonymous No.9872304]

>>9871592
So is heroine

[Anonymous No.9872360]

>being this desperate for glioblastoma

[Anonymous No.9872656]

>>9872360
Who said I wanted glioblastoma you retard?
>>9872304
Heroine doesn't contain any nutrients that are healthy for the yooman body idiot.
>>9872190
Fuck off faggot.

[Anonymous No.9872680]

>>9872656
have you looked into pure NGF? The researcher who discovered it's use/production/something lived to over 100 with no brain diseases or anything.

[Anonymous No.9872743]

>>9872680
I haven't found out about the guy who discovered it but I know that nootropics are the best way to increase NGF to maximum neuron production speed.

[Anonymous No.9873087]

>>9872656
Neither do your patent medicines.

[Anonymous No.9873128]

>>9873087
Even old blind men can see the very blatant and easy to see list of nutrients they have in their list of ingredients you retarded faggot.

[Anonymous No.9874975]

>>9869596
bump

[Anonymous No.9875283]

>>9873128
But only young dumb men would believe that the ingredients actually do what it says on the tin. There's a reason why everyone in this business uses weasel words.

[Anonymous No.9875617]

>>9875283
The nutrients are proven to work from before nootropics were a thing summerfaggot.

[Anonymous No.9875740]

>>9869924
I never really understood people who took pure L-theanine supplements, instead of drinking some good old green. Some green teas, like matcha or gyokuro are especially high in L-theanine, while also having a lot of other compounds that are beneficial for health, eg.: EGCG.

[Anonymous No.9875746]

>>9869596

[Anonymous No.9875760]

>>9875740
Also, if one is worried about the caffeine that is present in green tea, one can drink Kukicha, which is a stem tea. Stems are naturally high in L-theanine while being low in caffeine.

[Anonymous No.9875896]

>>9875740
Green tea contains more fluoride than both Colgate toothpaste and American water systems combined.

[Anonymous No.9875921]

>>9871692
why don't you eat more salad then?

[Anonymous No.9875960]

>>9875746
I asked for a number. Not a photograph of a nutrient.
>>9875921
Because nootropics contain a much higher amount of the same nutrient found in vegetables, why are you baiting me?

[Anonymous No.9875969]

>>9875960
why don't you eat more salad to reach your nutrient goal?
why don't you inform yourself about food that contain more nutrient?
why don't you make yourself the perfect diet plan?
why are you so lazy that you want to swallow pills instead?
do you like to swallow?
do you want to become my girlfriend?

[Anonymous No.9876878]

>>9875969
>why don't you eat more salads to reach your nutrient goal?
I eat a lot of salads but I prioritize nootropics. It would take me too many salads to compare to just one nutritional pill

>why don't you inform yourself about food that contain more nutrient?
I already have, and am aware that pills contain all those nutrients in much higher amounts as I've said before, get some glasses nigger.

>why don't you make yourself the perfect diet plan?
I experiment with all kinds of combinations and have observed that without nootropics, my diet severely lacks in nutritional value even while eating every nutrient in the book without pills.

>why are you so lazy that you want to swallow pills instead?
Because as stated above, pills offer a much higher reward. You're basically asking me "why be so lazy as to drive a vehicle to work rather than just walk?" Are you a Brazilian gangster?

>do you like to swallow?
Swallowing nutrients is one of the best ways to absorb nutrients. Since this is a blatant semen joke, no. I don't like to swallow. I'm not a faggot contrary to most OPs or you.

>do you want to become my girlfriend?
How about you ask someone on Tinder this instead of asking a fellow anon who wants to look at a graph?

[Anonymous No.9877096]

>>9870207
Temporary autism.