/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9851050]

Let's have a civil discussion about Psychoanalysis, it is serious enough to be considered as a real science? the positive clinical results can be taken as a good evidence of the validity of the theory, or just as a happy coincidence? or everything is not more than a mere "witch doctor"method?

[Anonymous No.9851055]

>Let's have a civil discussion about Psychoanalysis, it is serious enough to be considered as a real science?
No, because psychoanalysts do not use the scientific method.

[Anonymous No.9851083]

>the positive clinical results can be taken as a good evidence of the validity of the theory, or just as a happy coincidence
Or, you know, it could just be useful without having withstood rigorous scrutiny.

[Anonymous No.9851088]

>>9851083
yeah, but how?

[Anonymous No.9851092]

[Anonymous No.9851101]

>>9851088
Commercialization

[Anonymous No.9851107]

>>9851050
No

[Anonymous No.9851112]

>>9851107
please?

[Anonymous No.9851176]

>>9851055
This. Not even a question or a meme, OP. The fact that psychoanalysts are permitted to practice at all is a testament to the failures of market economies. While we're on the subject:
>Chiropracty

[The Lord No.9851187]

psychoanalyze deez nuts

[Anonymous No.9851193]

>>9851088
Many people get what appears to be long-lasting emotional relief from spilling their guts to an authority figure who also happens to be a stranger to them
Do we really need to look into anything more than that?

[Anonymous No.9851198]

>>9851050
Any study of inter-personal relationships will always ultimately be 'witch doctor' method to an observer. Codifying one as the 'better way to cure things we've identified as socially unhelpful' does nothing but trap those who read all those words and expect the world to conform to those wordy-descriptors.

[Anonymous No.9851204]

>>9851193
yeah, that seems to work, but what about when Freud theory is used to justify some other stuff? like social, political or economic theories?

>e.g. Joseph Campbell studies on mythology and 'One-dimensional man' of Marcuse

[Anonymous No.9851262]

>>9851050
Any such field that requires to point to an authority figure, AKA, every argument starts with a "some guy said...", or such, can't be considered as a sicence, science should be independent of the author, and statements should stand by themselves.

[Anonymous No.9851269]

>>9851262
And in truth the more symbolic-cyclical decomposition the better.

[Anonymous No.9851554]

>>9851092
Freud is a meme.

[Anonymous No.9851559]

>>9851204
That's when it's going too far
I've heard the argument that psychoanalysis will never be content being relegated to glorified adult day care and therefore should be abolished, but I'm not sure that's worth giving up how much it does help some people.

[Anonymous No.9851565]

>>9851050
OP I think psychoterapy helps the person not like traditional science (not useing the scientific method), but rather by pointing out where a person's problems are and he essentially cures himself. It also helps just taking to someone that isn't biased and just looks at things objectively. You can make the conclusions yourself though. For example: I grew up in an authoritarian family where my dad's word was the law and he had endless arguments with mom over literal bulshit. I grew up empathetic to my mother and now I have a passive personality where a lot of people boss me around and I compromise a lot. My elementary school was exactly like my dad - her word the law and I also went to karate where again there was strict discipline and you didn't have a right to have an opinion. These also contributed to my passive personality. I made these conclusion all by myself, because I'm emotially intelligent and objective, other people need psychotherapy for that. I have more examples if you're interested.

[Anonymous No.9851611]

>>9851554
Lrn2meme fgt pls

[Anonymous No.9852626]

>>9851050
> Psychoanalysis
t. another asshole who wants to fuck his morther

[Anonymous No.9852629]

>>9851565
yeah but all psychotherapies are subject to the same clinical tests as drugs. its still technically tested "scientifically".

[Anonymous No.9852634]

>>9852626
lol u seen the other thread here where /sci/ is unironically backing a guy to fuck his sister. not even a joke. ull find it. must be page 2 - 4.

[Anonymous No.9853279]

>>9852629
Are they? Do they have a placebo group and whatnot. Also there are a lot of variables in psychotherapy. It's not like just one molecule like in drugs. One person will reply to one question one way, another a different way etc.

[Anonymous No.9853317]

>>9852634
nono, he's already fucking her, they want a baby

[Anonymous No.9853417]

>>9851050
Oh no no no. Even psychologists are aware that psychoanalysis has no value in clinical therapy. Terms are vague. Their central notions have no real correlation to the human behaviour and development. Id, ego and superego are just fancy words to say "yay I have impulses but obviously I have to control them". There's no evidence for the Freudian Stages to happen in reality. There's an historical value for Freud and his theory. He focused in the disorders of the mind, typically overlooked at his time. Also, he highlighted the importance and existence of subconscious processes which have a great impact on the behaviour.

[Anonymous No.9853419]

>>9853417
Also, meta studies showed that patients needed a sensibly larger quantity of sessions and a lower effectiveness compared to the typical CBT.

[Anonymous No.9853457]

>>9851565
>I think psychoterapy helps the person not like traditional science (not useing the scientific method), but rather by pointing out where a person's problems are and he essentially cures himself.
"I think (insert random pseudotherapy here, e.g. MMS or healing by praying) helps the person not like traditional science (not useing the scientific method), but rather by pointing out where a person's problems are and he essentially cures himself."
Which proves that your opinion is stupid.

[Anonymous No.9853593]

>>9851611
>fgt
Why the homophobia?