Geniuses - born or made?

[Anonymous No.9847953]

Most of you have probably heard of laszlo polgar.the guy who turned his three daughters into chess prodigies for fun. He is a firm believer in the fact that hard work makes a genius, not a genetic lottery. He believes that intense devotion makes geniuses, not luck.

However, that entails working extremely, autistically hard from the age of 2 or 3. For someone like me who is going to turn 19, that is crushing.

However, newton started studying math when he was 18. If polgar is correct, it was newtons famous intensity that led to his genius.

I cannot change my genes, but can I learn to work really hard?

[Anonymous No.9847956]

A perspective shift can help. I recommend LSD or in your case shrooms (cos poorfag)

[Anonymous No.9847963]

>>9847953
yes you can. just do it.

[Anonymous No.9847965]

>>9847963
no you cant. there is no hope. there will be no change.

[Anonymous No.9847977]

>>9847953
more than half of all fields medallists were imo medallists in their younger age. imo requires you to study like an autist from a young age.

take that as you will

[Anonymous No.9847985]

>>9847953
geniuses are made through hard work (mostly). its the ability to sustain the hard work which not everyone has

[Anonymous No.9847986]

>>9847965
>>9847977
Newton had very little education before he was 18 iirc.

Maybe his talent was not genius, but insane autism?

[Anonymous No.9847993]

>>9847985
That's the thing- self control is not something that is genetically determined.

[Anonymous No.9847996]

>>9847956
I have access to morning glory seeds, how hard would it be to make pure lsd walter white style?

[Anonymous No.9848003]

>>9847953
Born unfortunately.
If you didn't show signs of genius by the time you're a teenager you're probably never going to do anything great.
That's the sad reality. Even so, sometimes I wonder how smart the average person would be if they were exposed to super smart stuff at a young age.

[Anonymous No.9848004]

>>9847986
The Accountant taught us many things, one being that insane autism is good for numbers

[Anonymous No.9848007]

>>9847953
It's mostly genetics. I don't think a single biologist would disagree. It wouldn't make sense for one's environment to mostly determine one's proficiencies and deficiencies -- there are geniuses, there are tards, and then everyone in between.

That said, studies have shown that proper nutrition and intellectual stimulation during key developmental stages can boost IQ, and a lack thereof can have have a detrimental effect.

[Anonymous No.9848020]

>>9847953
Ayy I'll try this if I ever have children. Live vicariously through them.

[Anonymous No.9848024]

>>9848003
>>9848007
Born and made is the redpilled answer

[Anonymous No.9848046]

the brain is an egg and you must boil it
no half measures

[Anonymous No.9848049]

>>9847953
>Geniuses
are you IQ believer too?
games, science, or sports all requires different skills for success. the very definition of genius is anti science

[Anonymous No.9848055]

>>9848003
>If you didn't show signs of genius by the time you're a teenager
What are these signs? Is skipping a grade one of them?

[Anonymous No.9848058]

>>9848049
the smartest people I've met seem to only be good at one thing at a glance

but when they put their mind to it, they can easily be good at other things too. so yes, i'd say genius is a legitimate enough term to use

[Anonymous No.9848060]

>>9848049
I'd like to believe that geniuses are not born and that I can do something worthwhile in my life.

But working really hard is too difficult.

[Anonymous No.9848063]

>>9848055
no, I've skipped a grade. i know others who skipped a grade. that doesn't mean shit

one of the female grade skippers became a slut cock sucker

[Anonymous No.9848065]

>>9847953
Polgar was a crank.

[Anonymous No.9848076]

Dude no. Autistic studying may get you to a prodigious level but it still would take much longer if you were stupid. This is common sense. Do what you want though.

[Anonymous No.9848079]

>>9847953
>Geniuses - born or made?
yes

[Anonymous No.9848082]

>>9848063
Then what are the signs anon? My school wanted me to skip 2 grades (but only skipped 1) and I study physics at one of the best universities in the world

I'm an insecure brainlet, pls tell me im not a brainlet

[Anonymous No.9848085]

>>9848076
i disagree. i don't know how true this is for stuff like research, but it's often the norm in math olympiad, chess, or even video games (seen in melee) where people's skill level simply stops improving after a certain point and they plateau because they're simply not 'prodigious' enough

[Anonymous No.9848092]

>>9848055
Yeah academic success. But also doing stuff on your own like how Elon Musk designed a video game at 10 years old and sold it. Extracurriculars like spelling bees and whatnot count towards "signs of genius" as well.

[Anonymous No.9848094]

>>9848082
You're not a brainlet, as long as you don't let yourself be one.

[Anonymous No.9848097]

>>9848085
Why do you think that happens?

[Anonymous No.9848105]

>>9848085
Ok, so you're agreeing moreso? I was giving effort a fair take but yeah I agree it's more about real intelligence. You can spend a decade working on something and getting no better while others are speeding by like nothing

[Anonymous No.9848121]

>>9847996
Impossible, LSD cannot be made in a van. A show about an acid manufacturer would be very different.

[Anonymous No.9848141]

>>9847953 Born, IQ is genetic.

[Anonymous No.9848153]

>>9848049
>Thinks IQ isn't genetic
>A mouse is incapable of reading a book because of the food said was subjected to during said mouse's early development
>The mouse's inability to read and or comprehend a book is entirely because of the environment said mouse was raised in, and not because of the genetic clusters said mouse is composed of

[Anonymous No.9848158]

>>9847953
It's both dipshit.

My little brother will never be a genius no matter how hard he tries, I however might

[Anonymous No.9848159]

>>9848049
>>9848049
>Thinks IQ isn't genetic
>A mouse is incapable of reading a book because of the food said mouse was subjected to during said mouse's early development
>The mouse in question's inability to read and or comprehend a book is entirely because of the environment said mouse was raised in, and not because of the genetic clusters said mouse is composed of

[Anonymous No.9848168]

>>9848158 IQ is 80% genetic and 20% environment. To insinuate IQ is effected substantially by an environment (which meets Western standards and is free of contaminants) is a false lie.

[Anonymous No.9848221]

>>9848168
>Figure 9 of Falk 2013 is a photograph of Einstein's right insula after removal of the operculum. (Falk 2013)

kys anon

[Anonymous No.9848250]

>>9847953
I think it has more to do with the fact that he's been training them in that since they were very young (their key learning stage). It's been proven that children who grow up without being taught how to read or speak will never acquire those skills later on (or they will but to a very limited degree). So it makes sense to believe that if you were trained intensively at some skill in your early years you will have a massive edge over those who started training later on. Of course it's all speculation, I'm no researcher or neurobiologist.

[Anonymous No.9848505]

>>9848168
surely then you would have more geniuses in the world if IQ is genetic. there families would be too.

[Anonymous No.9848524]

>>9848505
don't know what you mean by "more". but theres regression to the mean if the female part of the family refuses to reproduce like in western society.

[Anonymous No.9848724]

IQ, Genius etc is all bullshit. The best ability one must have is intense concentration and self control. Rest is unnecessary

[Anonymous No.9848919]

>>9847953
>Geniuses - born or made?
Both, and both together, but more commonly genetically predisposed to being so.
Chess is not genius stuff. True genius is creativity. You can be creative within chess but it's not the same as other novelties.

[Anonymous No.9849027]

>>9847953
https://terrytao.wordpress.com/career-advice/does-one-have-to-be-a-genius-to-do-maths/

The real question: does it matter? Tao brings up a good point; you shouldn’t be doing this for fame. If you love this subject with your heart and soul, you will contribute after a huge amount of hard work. A lot of your work is collaboration. Aim to be a good researcher, not a famous genius. Just take it slow, learn what you want thoroughly (without regard as to whether you are learning it the fastest), and carry on with your passions. Insight is born after staring at papers for a huge amount of time, but after a cursory glance and being struck with the lighting of eureka.

[Anonymous No.9849041]

>>9849027
*and not after a cursory

[Anonymous No.9849222]

>>9848082
Ugh, you humble braggers are worse than arrogant assholes

[Anonymous No.9849243]

>>9847953
child prodigees who worked extremely hard their whole life burned out and most didn't really do anything
you just have to find something you're extremely interested in and continue down it to become a "genius"

[Anonymous No.9849840]

>>9849243
>prodigees
I uh-gree with that.