Why haven't huge muscles been selected for?

[Anonymous No.9817442]

Why aren't all men muscular?
I thought it was an important selection pressure.
Isn't evolution real?

[Anonymous No.9817447]

>>9817442
Learned traits don't pass on, like muscles

[Anonymous No.9817450]

>>9817442
I have very good potential to be pretty built. My whole family is slim, high metabolism, and works out at least 3-4 days a week, including my 64 year old parents. But I dont. Im skinny as shit. Genes are great and all, but unless you work a blue collar job, muscles generally take conscious effort to build up.

[Anonymous No.9817455]

>>9817447
Muscles aren't JUST learned traits. You can't be saying that human strength is based on only lifting?

>>9817450
There are naturally buff people too.

[Anonymous No.9817459]

>>9817442
Alpha fucks, beta bucks. Both work to an extent. Through decades of emotional turkoil you can reproduce, or you can have 100 one night stands. How much you enjoy your strategy makes little difference to the outcome

[Anonymous No.9817466]

>>9817442
Because they hamper movement, require more calories and reduce dexterity.
You need movement for escaping predators, and hunting.
You need to balance calorie requirement, otherwise you'll starve (certainly if your huge muscles hamper your food gathering).
You need dexterity to make tools for food gathering.
In other words, they probably got eaten or where to too clumsy to catch anything or craft anything to improve their hunting, so they starved.

[Anonymous No.9817467]

>>9817459
In the past alphas had kids from most sessions because no contraception

[Anonymous No.9817469]

Because people who weigh 100kg run slower and can't climb for shit, yet a grizzly or a lion can still fuck that faggot up.

[Anonymous No.9817471]

>>9817466
>having muscles hampers movement

[Anonymous No.9817472]

>>9817466
Being strong doesn't make you clumsy.

>>9817469
They can beat up a lion with their bare hands.

[Anonymous No.9817479]

>>9817471
>>9817472
Having HUGE muscles does.
Just look at the range of movement of body builders, or weight lifters.
It's also REALLY BAD for your joints.

[Anonymous No.9817481]

>>9817479
nobody said it had to be huge muscles lol this threads about the inheritance of natural muscle mass and proneness to build muscle easily

[Anonymous No.9817483]

>>9817472
>They can beat up a lion with their bare hands.
Try it.

[Anonymous No.9817484]

>>9817481

[Anonymous No.9817485]

>>9817483
next.

[Anonymous No.9817492]

>>9817484
whats your point?? can you prove why muscle mass isnt inherited? i ask again if evolution is real how come kids arent naturally muscular?

[Anonymous No.9817493]

>>9817442
because women dont select for muscles and they never did. women selected for money/status almost primarily

[Anonymous No.9817494]

>>9817492
>Changing the word to fit YOUR premise.
Very disingenuous.
I answered the OP's premise about HUGE MUSCLES and gave a THEORY.

[Anonymous No.9817497]

>>9817493
Then why do the girls in the comic get so wet?

[Anonymous No.9817500]

>>9817497
Because it's a fictional depiction of the an inaccurate map of reality.
After all, we can never perceive the noumenal world, only the phenomenal world.

[Anonymous No.9817501]

>>9817442
Because the majority of humans have been living on the brink of starvation, except for the past ~70 years.

Muscles require a ton of food, and you can’t turn them into energy like your fat tissue.

If we were living on tree branches like chimps, it would be a different story, as their muscles are necessary for climbing, thus survival. Humans on the other hand were endurance hunters, where excess muscle mass is would have hampered them.

[Anonymous No.9817503]

>>9817501
This. Maybe that's why neanderthal went extinct?

[Anonymous No.9817505]

>>9817494
hmmm
you cant compare the muscles of a bodybuilder to those of a hunter gatherer though. back then people didnt lift weights their muscle growth was natural and with a tacit purpose. The lack of flexibility is exclusively a modern problem.

[Anonymous No.9817518]

>>9817442
i just noticed the males in this comic are aroused too, this is interesting. Is it possible that a muscular man trascends sexualities and all humans are hardwired to want to please him sexually? It makes sense if you think about it

[Anonymous No.9817519]

>>9817505
>Conflating nature with nurture.
If this population was born with a predisposition to gravitate toward huge muscles, like a gorilla, then it wouldn't matter when comparing them.
You see, it would be great, if they were a gorilla, but not for human activity.
If you look at African, or Native American hunter gatherer populations that still exist to this day, they're often learn and athletic.
Clearly, this build is more beneficial for that context.

[Anonymous No.9817533]

How does having muscles help you survive in modern society?

[Anonymous No.9817537]

>>9817533
It helps you pass on your genes because you get attractive

[Anonymous No.9817541]

>>9817537
If evolution selected for attractiveness, there won’t be any ugly people around.

[Anonymous No.9817555]

>>9817541
>What is a fetish?

[Anonymous No.9817574]

>>9817442
that man has a massive bulge. is penis size also hereditary?

[Anonymous No.9817584]

>be me as a kid
>skinny lanklet
>projected to grow to be 6'2" by pediatrician
>get to high school
>tfw no gf
>hit the gym and bulk up like crazy
>stunts my growth
>don't realize what I've done until my growth spurt is already over
>forever a 5'10" manlet
That's why OP.

[Anonymous No.9817588]

>>9817584
5'10 normies have no right to complain

[Anonymous No.9817602]

>>9817518
Yeah muscles transcend humanity

[Anonymous No.9817609]

>>9817584
>start lifting in 5th grade
>get to 6'2
so you're saying i could have at least hit 6'6?

[Anonymous No.9817619]

>>9817485
Here's your reply.

[Anonymous No.9817637]

>>9817609
he's coping it doesnt stunt growth almost nothing stunts growth

[Anonymous No.9817640]

>tfw I'm ripped without even doing that much exercise

What's the explanation for this?

[Anonymous No.9817654]

>>9817442
We evolved to be runners, not strongmen. Thats a modern thing.

[Anonymous No.9817659]

>>9817609
>>9817637
I wish I still had her projected growth chart, but there was a very pronounced kink in the graph that started right when I began working out.

[Anonymous No.9817677]

>>9817442
>Isn't evolution real?
Well obviously it isn't

[Anonymous No.9817880]

>>9817442
Females selecting males based solely on aesthetic appearance is an extremely new event. What's more, prehistoric men were necessarily fit, to the extent that they needed to be able to operate as hunters in running several miles daily to track down prey. While an extremely muscular man will be able to easily --as a rule of thumb-- defeat another smaller human in battle, against other opponents in nature they are not of huge importance for two reasons: First, a large amount of muscle mass necessarily weakens stamina when running long distances. Secondly, a large amount of muscle mass will not make you any more capable to fight off animals that were already a threat to human in single combat, large cats and the like. Humans most effectively hunted in packs, and by exhausting animals with their heightened stamina.

Put simply, the notion of a chiseled physique being of utmost importance is a modern invention. If it continues to be selected for it will naturally become more common. That said, to assume that selection pressures will stay the same is naive.

[Anonymous No.9817890]

>>9817442
Monogomy basically stopped this in its tracks

[Anonymous No.9817959]

>>9817481
Humans evolved to throw shit and run forever. Any other animal can easily out class us in strength so relatively meager improvements don't do shit to improve survival chances.

[Anonymous No.9818016]

>>9817471
it slows you down, dumbfuck. Stop with this retarded stereotype of "muscle guy" we live in 21st century, not 50000 BC

[Anonymous No.9818047]

>>9817479
>or weight lifters.
Literally the fastest and most explosive sport

[Anonymous No.9818072]

>>9817467
The fertility window is only 10% of the month and even then the chance is about 1/3 in modern conditions. Factor in increased activity during the fertile phse but you still need a lot of casual shagging for it to stick

[Anonymous No.9818073]

>>9818047
In one direction, yeah. Whoa, such a great range of motion. :^)

[Anonymous No.9818079]

>>9817442
>I thought it was an important selection pressure.
Why would you think that?
We made tools for a reason.

[Anonymous No.9818096]

You nerds better be hitting the gym

[Anonymous No.9818097]

Because you have to fucking work out, not everything is fucking 100% genetic. Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.9818103]

>Trying to convince /sci/ users everything isn't 100% genetic

[Anonymous No.9818118]

>>9817442
Muscles, like you imagine, exist in a world of many possibilities. Dinosaurs were apparently apex killing machines ruling the world for millions of years. This is where the evolutionary muscles actually fell to simpler things like strong jaws.
Human muscle also exists in a competitive environment, but this would have to be considered separately in early man and modern man. In early man, muscles were not optimal compared to tactics and planning, agriculture and sedation more or less.
In modern man, the environment muscles fight with are now in the world of the mind and meme. They are a reflection of a persons values by whatever source they come from. There is where they have the strongest chance, in pure fantasy and the ineffable.

[Anonymous No.9818141]

>>9818096
I'd rather do calisthenics and actually have useful muscle (and movement).

[Anonymous No.9818165]

>>9818073
Why do all athletes train with Power cleans and snatches then?

[Anonymous No.9818167]

Humans haven't evolved in like 2 million years.

[Anonymous No.9818168]

>>9818141
https://youtu.be/BSf1BFRcdxo

[Anonymous No.9818280]

>>9818167
>this post

[Anonymous No.9818340]

>>9817659
It could have been from reducing calories if you were trying to get lean. Bulking shouldn't have done anything though

[Anonymous No.9818360]

>>9817442
>what it phenotypic plasticity?

[Anonymous No.9818362]

>>9817455
Define buff and naturally.

[Anonymous No.9818368]

>>9817880
Many women still prefer a swimmers body type physique which fits in line with this perfectly.

[Anonymous No.9818371]

>>9818168
K but i dont want to drink gallons of HGH and whey powder every day, abuse steroids, and then die because by body physiology is an absolute trainwreck.

[Anonymous No.9818543]

>>9817505
You can compare the bodies of a bodybuilder and a prize fighter (or any other professional marital artist) though.
The fighters are universally leaner, to keep them light on their feet and capable of utilising a wider range of motion in combat. Since the fighter body type would probably have had greater survivability back in the caveman days (thanks to needing less calories and being more effective at both fighting and running away) a genetic predisposition toward large amounts of muscle mass would not be as strongly selected for.

[Anonymous No.9818582]

>>9817447
t. dumfuck mcgee

[Anonymous No.9818628]

What's the point of being very muscular when good weapons are more effective?

[Anonymous No.9818642]

>>9817479

are you srs? weightlifters are amongst the most powerful human beings on a planet. they're also far more mobile than the average gym-goer due to the demands of constantly lifting weights above their heads from the squat position

[Anonymous No.9818793]

>>9818165
Because it's the only snatch they can get.
But seriously, unless you do flexibility training too, you're going to ruin your body.

>>9818168
Yes, because he knows how important flexibility training is. Good on him.

>>9818642
See above.

[Anonymous No.9818799]

>>9818165
>>9818168
>>9818642
>>9818793
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Piana#Death
>An autopsy revealed "significant heart disease" and that his heart and liver weighed over twice the average amount for an adult male. Jansen said Piana was well aware that his organs were enlarged, and that this was a known side effect of the steroids and hormones he had been taking, but said he wasn't aware that this put him at risk for a sudden cardiac arrest.
Lol, it's SO good for your health.
Look how powerful he is.
Shut the fuck up, you idiots.

[Anonymous No.9818800]

>>9818799
kys nigger

[Anonymous No.9818801]

>>9818800
Whoa, such a robust rebuttal.
Almost as robust as ol' Rich's heart (disease).
Look like God can pull of the ultimate dead lift, 315 lbs. :^)

[Anonymous No.9818804]

>>9818016
>the things that enable your body to move in any way are what slow you down

[Anonymous No.9818805]

>>9818804
>He doesn't understand how mass works.

[Anonymous No.9818806]

>>9818805
nobody does

[Anonymous No.9818809]

>>9818806
They do in biomechanics, you plebeian.

[Anonymous No.9818812]

>>9817442
How is EVERYONE falling for this bait. This guy has done evolution trolling for the last few days.

[Anonymous No.9818816]

>>9818812
Because 4chan selects for autism, then /sci/ selects even further to STEM autists, so we don't care (or understand) whether it is bait or not.
We MUST argue our point, regardless.

[Anonymous No.9818862]

only in absolute matriarchies with fisherian runaway selection. some aftrican tribes probably got close to that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherian_runaway

[Anonymous No.9818914]

>>9817497
I hope you are baiting

[Anonymous No.9818971]

>>9818914
i hope you are baiting

[Anonymous No.9819807]

>>9818799
Due to excessive use of anabolic steroids, not having large muscles. You fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.9819859]

>>9819807
It was probably a bit of both.
That being, the extra weight put strain on his already failing organs.
Once again, it's almost like you guys don't understand how mass works.

[Anonymous No.9819939]

>>9819859
Get the fuck out of here. Tons of men with enlarged musculature in their youth and even as elders live well past their peers. He died of abusing dangerous drugs that --surprise-- are illegal to use without a prescription. When some dumb musician faggot overdoses on heroin would you claim the music got him? It's pretty fucking clear retard.

[Anonymous No.9819962]

>>9817500
>the noumenal world

[Anonymous No.9819964]

>>9819939
>Tons of men with enlarged musculature in their youth and even as elders live well past their peers.
Not at his weight and height. Which, by the way, placed him within the morbidly obese range. - Which, regardless of cardio, is terrible for your health.
Not to mention the excess strain put upon his joints.
>He died of abusing dangerous drugs that --surprise-- are illegal to use without a prescription.
Steroids, you mean.
>When some dumb musician faggot overdoses on heroin would you claim the music got him?
Music isn't a physical thing, you retard.
>It's pretty fucking clear retard.
Go and research the negative impact of weightlifting and bodybuilding upon the body.
Trust me, before I REALLY have to tear into you.

[Anonymous No.9819970]

>>9818799
>bodybuilding = oly weightlifting
kys

[Anonymous No.9819971]

>>9819964
what? that's wrong
they're BMI is in the obese range because they're so stronk
BMI isn't perfect you know, muscle is heavier than fat

[Anonymous No.9819982]

>>9817442
Genetics, regardless of what the clinically obese would have you believe, don't actually have that big an impact on your fat/muscle/etc ratios. Sure, it can give you traits like a barrel chest or zipper abs, and of course there's little you can do to increase or decrease your height beyond a certain point, but like 2/3rds of the factors are about:
A) How you take care of yourself during your developmental years.
and
B) Your way of life, now.

You could have the best muscle-growing genes on the planet, but if you exclusively laze about eating Cheetos and watching Netflix in your spare time, you'll be just as out of shape as everybody else that does.

Additionally, the use of tools greatly mitigates the need for physical superiority. Human evolution prioritized biological efficiency and thinking power above all else. We do thermal adaptability, tool use, and (if in shape) long-term exertion better than the bulk of the animal kingdom.

[Anonymous No.9819987]

>>9819971
>BMI isn't perfect you know, muscle is heavier than fat
>what? that's wrong
More weight being placed upon the already ill balanced joints and organs?

[Anonymous No.9819989]

>>9819987
I don't know about the biomechanics in particular but steroids are bad, not fitness. Obviously.

[Anonymous No.9819997]

>>9819989
I've already stipulated this.
An athletic build, is perfectly fine and useful.
However, as with anything, to an excess is damaging to your physical health.
I mean, consider this, even with a normal body mass peoples normally start to experience joint pain in middle age. Now increase the amount of mass and therefore force upon those joints, what's going to happen?

[Anonymous No.9819999]

>>9817442
Because then that would be the new normal and you would be wondering why you weren't even bigger.

These threads are idiotic

[Anonymous No.9820005]

>>9819997
Well lifting weights also improves your bone density so you did it right then no problemo. Unfortunately, rotator cuff injuries and shit like that is common. They didn't do it right.

[Anonymous No.9820150]

>>9817442
huge muscles are useless you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.9820155]

>>9820005
That's true, poor form is one of the majority issues with the sport (and health practice). All gyms should be mandated by law to teach proper form.

[Anonymous No.9820168]

>>9817442
The only muscles you need to get laid are the ones used to lift a wallet.

[Anonymous No.9820195]

>>9819807
>Due to excessive use of anabolic steroids, not having large muscles.
>Due to excessive use of anabolic steroids
And now guess what the ONLY way to get muscles like that is...

[Anonymous No.9820197]

>Selecting for muscles
The stone age called, they are missing you

[Anon No.9820223]

>>9817442

i had a friend in hs who was so extremely ripped at the end of the course so when he took down his shire people were like wooooow
but the dude was something about 5"6
and was a bit shy yet intelligent
therefore no girl was really interested in getting to know hhim

[Anonymous No.9820458]

>>9817466
cuck
Workout, lift heavy, you seem like you have low test.

[Anonymous No.9820462]

>>9818141
>useful muscle
hahahahahahahahhahahaha
Deadlift is the most useful movement.
Do weighted calisthenics as well.
Learn about progressive overleoad.
>t. electrical engineer with 460 DL at 170 bodweighted and 115 weighted chinup

[Anonymous No.9820943]

I'm pretty sure the fact that some people are too lazy to do the work to get them plays a role in sexual selection or something. Also I think another part is that it may be beneficial for your body only to use resources when that specific part of the body is being used, in situations of scarcity for example the body may not be able to afford to maintain powerful muscles, in times of affluence it may benefit from storing energy in case of scarcity. And back to the original point, stacy needs to know those muscles are PROOF that you're a chad who has survived hardship.

[Anonymous No.9820946]

>>9817493
>being this delusional
Money and status WERE muscle,or more accurately your ability to bash in other grugs skulls. If they don't happen to coincide then the women just cuck the men of status. Women DO NOT breed with genelets just because they happen to be successful

[Anonymous No.9820947]

>>9820458
>>9820462
So, you're saying I should lift bruh?

[Anonymous No.9820949]

>>9820946
Technology, you can level the playing field (somewhat) but bringing a weapon with you.
Although, of course, you do need some muscle mass to make those weapons useful.
That includes javelins and bow.

[Anonymous No.9820952]

>>9820947
Yea bruh. You become "smarter" as well. They mind follows the body when you eat healthy and get those endorphines in.

[Anonymous No.9820968]

>>9820952
Get those BDNF, yeh boi.
Alright, I'm in, is the /fit/ sticky a good place to start?

[Anonymous No.9820978]

>>9817479
I assume you are referring to ONLY people that have an unnatural amount of muscle when you said
>It's also REALLY BAD for your joints.
Weightlifting by itself is actually really good for your joints, but that is as long as you don't use poor form (or steroids/SARMs/Peptides).

[Anonymous No.9820983]

>>9820978
>I assume you are referring to ONLY people that have an unnatural amount of muscle when you said
Yes, this is what I've been arguing against the entire thread.
But people seem to think I just mean 'Chad the weightlifter', I don't.

[Anonymous No.9821107]

Tell me why the girls are wet in the comic and if it happens irl

[Anonymous No.9821116]

>>9817584

>tfw 5'7 manlet and I have had stable gfs and steady relationships

you're a manlet where it hurts most; your heart

[Anonymous No.9821121]

>>9821107
aren't girls always wet?

[Anonymous No.9821199]

Because biology isn't dynamic. It doesn't suddenly modify itself to the current environment out of nowhere. In particular, it really really doesn't like spending energy when it doesn't have to, and being an 1st world obese person isn't going to change that. In fact, your body probably thinks it's really smart, stocking up all that junk energy you ate while saving up energy NOT developing muscles that it KNOWS you don't use because there's no actual load being placed on them. You think biology has future thinking like "I bet I'll have to use the muscles in the future, let me build it today since the energy is abundant"? Think again, fucker. Biology is fucking retarded. It's actually a wonder how it works at all. Study human embryology, the sheer amount of shit that can go wrong in that process will absolutely fucking mindfuck you, yet people are born pretty much perfectly all the time. I bet humans have a higher yield rates than electronics manufacturing.

[Anonymous No.9821230]

>>9820949
Yeah, but so can the other guy, If you have no genetic, heritable advantage, it won't have sexual selection applied to it

[Anonymous No.9821254]

>>9821230
I forget the name for the term, but it is where women look to "trade up" based upon resources.
Things, such as, cars, money, jewelry.

[Anonymous No.9821446]

>>9820968
it's a start. Been working out two years, being lean is underrated. Being bulky for me isn't worth it.
I'm a bit leaner now, much more female attention, and eng girls are shy around me lmao.

[Anonymous No.9821457]

>>9821446
Is this the way to pull at college?
If so, I'm in, I want some qt STEM Asian.

[Anonymous No.9821608]

>>9819964
>Not at his weight and height. Which, by the way, placed him within the morbidly obese range. - Which, regardless of cardio, is terrible for your health.

No, it fucking isn't. BMI is a ratio of your height to weight you inbred. Even grade schoolers know it's not a hard and fast metric to use when analyzing athletes.

>Steroids, you mean.
Yeah, the ones that conveniently cause ALL THE PROBLEMS that led to his death.

>Go and research the negative impact of weightlifting and bodybuilding upon the body.
Trust me, before I REALLY have to tear into you.
I already did. That's why I'm calling you a retard, retard.

[Anonymous No.9821609]

>>9820195
It's okay anon, it's not your fault you're a fat slob. You're just not abusing steroids like all those other meatheads. :(

[Da mole No.9821631]

Hahá... superficialis humans...
The moles no need muscles

[Anonymous No.9821639]

>>9817602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ1nSaJKL_c

[Anonymous No.9821881]

Thousands of years of marriage (an institution designed to dole women out evenly among men) has weakened our gene pool.

[Anonymous No.9822232]

>>9821881
Sacrifice for the sake of beta males.
And yet the small and weak are the ones who contributed the most as the chads had sex.

[Anonymous No.9822235]

>>9821457
Yellowfag

[Anonymous No.9822290]

>>9817442
>Why haven't huge muscles been selected for?

You do realize that mankind has one of the largest penis in relation to body size among all mammals.
Human males HAVE been selected for certain traits, muscle mass is not one of them.

[Anonymous No.9822295]

i think its a waste of mental essence to converse about this topic when it can be reallocated to actually exercising

i dont see why everyone gets all loathesome. going to the gym is really easy and enjoyable and greaseballs will die in their own filth eventually if not inhibited from workplace progression and mental clarity

[Anonymous No.9822297]

>>9822295
I don't wanna work out when I'm actually capped at a lower point than others that are actually strong naturally.

[Anonymous No.9822299]

>>9822297
i mean ive gone for a year and a half now
i do feel as if i have capped until i start serious training or steroids

but is it significantly better than being a pasty twig boy? yes.

[Anonymous No.9822370]

>>9817442
Yes evolution is real, but it doesn't work as many people and you believe, it's not a matter of improving it is just a matter of how much a specie can reproduce. Since humans are able to reproduce and sutain the specie without the need of muscular man there's no natuaral selection by this point of view and so muscular hunter man are no longer needed to sustain life and reproduce

[Anonymous No.9822386]

>>9817442
early humans were hunter gatheres not body builders.

[Anonymous No.9822406]

The hunter-gatherer lifestyle seems to have put people in good shape. Then again, there are photos of tubby tribal guys out there too.

[Anonymous No.9822408]

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/nov/29/prehistoric-womens-arms-stronger-than-those-of-todays-elite-rowers

>“Early farming men had these really strong leg bones – when you compared them to living men they were close to what you see in living runners, suggesting they were really active,” said Macintosh. “Then [there is] this really progressive decline though time in bone strength, down to what you see in living sedentary undergraduate students at Cambridge.”

>Prehistoric women had stronger arms than elite female rowing teams do today thanks to the daily grind of farming life, researchers have revealed

[Anonymous No.9822413]

http://www.newsweek.com/women-men-who-are-tall-and-lean-probably-because-we-still-behave-ancient-747638

> A survey of 150 women revealed that a man’s attractiveness came down to perceived strength, height and a lean body type. Researchers determined this with an experiment showing full-length images of various males to women. The raters then ranked physical strength and attractiveness.

Overwhelmingly, women thought the strongest men were also the best-looking. They also had a preference for tall, lean guys.

The reason, it seems, isn’t purely physical. Researchers believe that these preferences are tied to survival.

>Past research has shown that women really are attracted to men who have features associated with survival or virility.