/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9806064]

What are the most likely factors leading to a collapse of modern civilization?

[Anonymous No.9806071]

>>9806064
Abandonment of meritocracy: Weak becomes strong. Strong becomes evil.

[Anonymous No.9806101]

lazyness
low stress tolerance

when something better comes along

but im curious as to what you think "modern civilization" is.
i wonder do you have an ideal of civilization that is constantly being critiqued ?
or perhaps modern society is just the lamentations of the society previous.

how do we know that society hadnt collapsed already and now we are just living a hollow shell of what society once was?

or maybe what you see as a collapse of society. is perhaps a wish to reclaim indiviuation. from the great work so called "the machine".
becuase society, weather steered by one brain or all of them. work to build itself greater, to reach heights
a tower of babylon to reach god.
all people working putting aside their 'petty individualistic differences" to build something so great, so beyond them
that it reaches God.

modern society is once step in societal evolution that works to replace the man with "the greater good" . a society that can be viewed as an organism with all its parts "doing what they are supposed to do".
the end game of society is to find a place and purpose for everyone with little or no resistance.

[Anonymous No.9806123]

>>9806101
>but im curious as to what you think "modern civilization" is.
Not sure what the best way to define it would be but basically everything that brings about and maintains the current standard of living in the majority of (first world) nations. This would include everything from scientific institutions to food production to technological improvements and maintenance in medicine, agriculture etc etc. You can use "western civilization" as a short-hand.
Roughly speaking, it's what the average person would intuitively think of when you mention "modern civilization."
A collapse of this could be defined in a number of ways but I think the following symptoms make sense for this thread:
-economic collapse
-collapse of global trade
-collapse of food supplies
-collapse of government institutions up to
complete collapse of governments and the
rule of law

>modern society is once step in societal evolution
That's an entirely different discussion. This thread is about the most likely mechanism of destruction, not where we might be going should destruction be avoided.

>>9806071
Breakdown of the social mechanism that created/sustained societies. Very good. How would/will this lead to the downfall exactly? What are are the mechanisms/sequences of events?

[Anonymous No.9806127]

>>9806064
None, we're at a point at which it would take a worldwide disaster.
If any single country, or continent failed, another society would just take dominance on the other side of the globe.

[Anonymous No.9806133]

>>9806064
doesn't this belong more on a board like /pol/ or /his/ or /qa/?

[Anonymous No.9806136]

>>9806064
Intersectionality.

[Anonymous No.9806140]

>>9806127
Alright, well there are a number of global issues which are likely to affect all countries simultaneously to varying extents. For example:
-climate change related issues which could impact food supplies globally (excessive temperatures, drought (lack of rain + vanishing glaciers), changing weather patters, ocean adicification ect..)
-soil depletion (food supplies again)
-large scale aquifer depletion due to overuse for farming (food again)
-fisheries collapse from over fishing and coral breaching
-global economic collapse due to unsustainable mismanagement

[Anonymous No.9806141]

>>9806133
Not really since the most likely factors are things like the collapse of food production due to things like climate change and similar issues.

[Anonymous No.9806148]

lack of cultural diversity

Civilizations rise and fall. That's just how things are and how they should be. If the entire world is dependent on a single civilization, or if it becomes ONE giant civilization, or if our culture becomes so intermingled that we all share the same beliefs and zestiest then when that one big culture/civilization goes, be default, everything goes.

e.g. Alexander the Great, or Rome

[Anonymous No.9806152]

>>9806071
>>9806136
Will file these two under
erosion of vital social/cultural mechanisms required for civilizational maintenance

[Anonymous No.9806153]

>>9806064
Resource depletion, nuclear war.

[Anonymous No.9806159]

>>9806148
>lack of cultural diversity
A lot can be said about this topic but I think it's probably best to save it for another thread, considering that large scale natural disasters and/or massive mismanagement of resources are the most likely candidates for our demise at the moment.

[Anonymous No.9806169]

>>9806153
>Resource depletion
This seems to be a big one. I'd like to know more about specifically which resources (which are required for the status quo and are unlikely to be replaced by alternatives) we're going to be running out of in the next couple of decades.
>oil obviously

[Anonymous No.9806197]

>>9806071
>implying capitalism was ever meritocratic

[Anonymous No.9806215]

>>9806197
The "capital" in capitalism literally refers to the merit. Merit of bloodline counts.

[Anonymous No.9806480]

>>9806064
Yellowstone.

[Anonymous No.9806483]

>>9806064
plague
economic collapse
ecologic disaster

[Anonymous No.9806615]

>>9806064
Pestilence.

[Anonymous No.9806619]

>>9806064
>What are the most likely factors leading to a collapse of modern civilization?
young white men devoting their time to video games and porn instead of starting careers and families

[Anonymous No.9806623]

>>9806215
>The "capital" in capitalism literally refers to the merit.
Capital is the sum of resources with which to produce wealth,
and has nothing whatever to do with "merit".

[Anonymous No.9806628]

>>9806064
In the short term, the corruption of universities by leftist radicals. In the long term, cultural decay and loss of morality.

[Anonymous No.9806631]

>>9806064
Lack of unifying propaganda for a common goal

[Anonymous No.9806652]

>>9806064
Playing the finite player in an infinite game and placing interests before values

[Anonymous No.9806678]

>>9806064
Decrease in wages caused by capitalism squeezing more money out of the hands of workers and into the hands of the rich.

Any other answer is fucking wrong.

[Anonymous No.9806684]

>>9806071
*tips*

[Anonymous No.9806787]

[Anonymous No.9806791]

>>9806064
1 in 10 people are below 83 IQ and no amount of training is enough for them to do more work than they create.

[Anonymous No.9806797]

>>9806619
Young men playing video games, because they don't have opportunities to start career or family.
It's a symptom, not a reason.

[Anonymous No.9806832]

>>9806071
I agree with the weak becomes strong mutation of values. However, meritocracy is not a solution. Meritocracy is a system created by the dumb to keep the masses under their thumb. A truly strong one would be above meritocracy. Period.

[Anonymous No.9806863]

>>9806064
>What are the most likely factors leading to a collapse of modern civilization?
Dysgenic trends leading to mass retardation. This will be accelerated by African population boom and the resulting mass immigration (African population: 1950: 200mil, 2000: 800 mil, 2015: 1200 mil, 2100: 4000 mil)

[Anonymous No.9806869]

Energy and Human Evolution
by David Price

http://peakoilbarrel.com/energy-human-evolution-2/

Or "Why humanity is fucked", only genuine in comic sans.

It's 23 years old and therefore a tad dated on a few issues. But since it's mostly a big picture I think it's really great even today.

[Anonymous No.9806922]

>>9806071
Retarded oversimplification of idealism for a complex (and very real) world. So simple as to effectively be meaningless. It's gibberish.

[Anonymous No.9806934]

>>9806064
Niggers, duh.

[Anonymous No.9806975]

I just read on my country's news portal that economists estimate another, HARD economical crisis in 2 years.

This it? We end?

[Anonymous No.9806980]

>>9806064
Global warming, overpopulation, overexploitation, ecosystem alteration and loss of biodiversity.

[Anonymous No.9806988]

>>9806975
>I just read on my country's news portal that economists estimate another, HARD economical crisis in 2 years.
>This it? We end?
They're probably right. Our recent recovery has been nothing but a debt-driven bubble. Great depression and WW3 here we come

[Anonymous No.9807036]

>>9806975
>This it? We end?
This is actual beginning.

[Anonymous No.9807130]

>>9806975
>>9806988
Fuggg that's when I finish my undergrad. I'm planning on going to grad school, so hopefully I'll be able to ride it out.

This is of course assuming that this will actually happen. I will say that we are due for a market correction though.

[Anonymous No.9807138]

>>9806064
Semitic influence

[Anonymous No.9807155]

>>9807130
Don't worry, unemployment is going to fall to zero once draft is implemented. And after WW3 there will be plenty of jobs available fighting supermutants

[Anonymous No.9807241]

>>9806064
Time

[Anonymous No.9807292]

>>9806064
Is English your native language? Do you really mean "leading" or did you mean "that would lead"? I think there's some confusion in this thread about this.

[Anonymous No.9807297]

>>9806623
How do you think one gets those resources?

[Anonymous No.9807298]

>>9806863
this and women voting

[Anonymous No.9807310]

>>9807297
usury, financial speculation, owning private property.

[Anonymous No.9807311]

>>9806064
Destruction of the planet it's living on

[Anonymous No.9807372]

>>9807311
we will adapt, or embrace geo-engineering and brute force fix it, there are a few ways we have the technology for
We could probably do a fair bit to fix the damage to the earth, but the climate change doomsday cult is branding anyone that suggests it a heretic

[Anonymous No.9807410]

>>9807310
Usury and financial speculation require good reputation. How do you build that up?
Owning private property requires lots of money. How do you build that up?

Your claim is that they got lucky, so I'm just wondering when exactly you think that happened. So far you haven't gone back far enough.

[Anonymous No.9807514]

>>9806787
>meritocracy
this

[Anonymous No.9807519]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_Death_of_Europe

[Anonymous No.9807524]

>>9806064
Immigration, Identity, Islam

[Anonymous No.9807723]

>>9806197
Still angry your history degree didn't get you a real job?

[Anonymous No.9807821]

>>9806797
That is a symptom too, not a reason. Civilizations collapse because it is in the nature of civilizations to collapse, because the very structure and process of civilization implies its own collapse, in the same way that our human anatomy and process of life implies our eventual death.

[Anonymous No.9808639]

>>9806215
>>9807723
Capitalism is literally anti-meritocratic.

[Anonymous No.9808737]

>>9807297
Historically by force, now by cunning or theft.
Do you think it's by "hard work" and virtue?

[Anonymous No.9808741]

>>9807410
>Usury and financial speculation require good reputation.
L0Lno, you starry-eyed idealist, you.

[Anonymous No.9808783]

communist government or taxes above 75%

[Anonymous No.9808794]

supervolcanic eruption depriving countries of intertravel, communication, food, light and basic necessities, warmth etc we're all fucked

genetically engineered pathogens we're fucked

other natural disasters

genetic engineering via CRISPR related tools

alien intervention

terrorists, nukes etc

basically, who cares about rich getting richer etc when this is how the human mind has evolved, the main threat is nukes and natural disasters we don't have the techonology to overcome

[Anonymous No.9808910]

>>9806064
>/his/

[Anonymous No.9808916]

Yo guys, just read that antarctica is losing ice 3 times as fast as in 2012. Globally, 3mm of water level rise each year.

We fugged

[Anonymous No.9808925]

>>9807410
Why would usury require good reputation? Speculation requires no reputation, theft among many others is an example whereby you can generate wealth without virtuous merit.

[Anonymous No.9808993]

>>9806064

same ones as Rome, low birth rates, indulgence, lack of meaning, neoliberal economic policies

[Anonymous No.9809653]

>>9808916
Well at least the trips to the beach will get shorter

[Anonymous No.9809698]

>>9807410
Are you talking about age of capital accumulation, or current age?
Today, most richest people are inherited their money.

[Anonymous No.9809709]

>>9806064
Immigration from inferior races will turn currently nice countries into Somalia

[Anonymous No.9809736]

>>9807410
Yes, people like George Soros are truly virtue people and they should rule us.

[Anonymous No.9810157]

>>9806064
Leaving rightists in charge.

[Anonymous No.9810161]

The aliens get bored of watching us and decide to wipe us out.

[Anonymous No.9810164]

>>9810157
I think they should be called rightso's.

[Anonymous No.9810914]

>>9808639
Communism isnt either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

[Anonymous No.9811114]

>>9810914
present the selection of facts without proper context is a form of manipulation.

http://thisiscommunism.org/ThisIsCommunism/ChinasGreatLeapForward.html

[Anonymous No.9811137]

cultural immigration will cause modern (western) civilisation to "collapse" so far in the sense it will convert to eastern barbarism.

but for a pre-agriculture level of collapse, it would be from environmental changes, global warming and hyper-weather would make it so that the "poor" ie the global 90% at the current wealth disparity levels, would not have means to survive with enough "ease" that they can afford the time to supply 40hours of labour to "society" to support the elites as they presently do.
without the indentured masses to provide, elites would not be elites. without elites ruling powers would have no control over the masses. then civilisation collapses.

[Anonymous No.9811142]

>>9806064
Idiocracy

A society full of idiots who will destroy it
>>9808376

[Anonymous No.9811144]

>>9811114
>thisisnotareliablesource.org

[Anonymous No.9811153]

>>9806064
Women being able to vote

[Anonymous No.9811189]

>>9811144
Yes, both sides are biased. That's why you need to understand them both and make your own decision.
https://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward

[Anonymous No.9811253]

>>9811144
1 in 6 americans struggle with hunger
1 in 200 americans are homeless
there was a huge famine in US in 1929 – 1939
constant economic crisies

how can such shithole as captilaism even considered as good?

[Anonymous No.9811290]

>>9811253
5 in 6 communist Venezuelans & North Koreans struggle with hunger
1 in 50 californian leftists are homeless
there was a huge famine in Soviet Union in 1932
constant economic crisies

how can such shithole as communism even considered as good?

[Anonymous No.9811372]

>>9806064
Climate change.

[Anonymous No.9811424]

>>9811290
>6 gorillions
why they keep using that number? it has special meaning in judaism?

[Anonymous No.9811630]

>>9811290
Wow. relax. I just show an example of how easily facts can be used for manipulation.

It's easy to draw an emotional picture of poor chinese farmers and conclude that entire communist China was a disaster. While it's not so simple in reality. Everything has its positive and negative sides.