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9805259 No.9805259[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Why are people, especially feminists, so opposed to using science to classify people into race?

>> No.9805264

We can go ahead and do that OP. If you want to use science then measure it with something that isn't questioned and debated like IQ. Got 143 once and even I question their validity.

>> No.9805311

>>9805264
The only reason IQ is questioned and debated is because there is such a large gap in average racial and sex IQ, ironically by the same people OP is complaining about. They make up a problem and then argue it from that position. The reality is, though, there really is very little flaw in IQ tests and people just ain't equal, and our groups just ain't equal.
This will be solved though via gene modding and soft eugenics, so it doesn't really matter.

>> No.9805315 [DELETED] 

We have this thread everyday and everyday its a thread dedicated to venting personal hatred for black people, but despite this, I'll politely answer you.

IQ statistics are heavily falsified, IQ has on multiple occasions been proven to not be entirely genetic, most black people grow up in environments that would heavily discourage any kind of advanced reasoning skills. Its a little bit like If somehow I completely ruined your childhood by separating you from your parents from birth forcing you to grow up in a violent hellhole, then later making a study saying its proof you are a low intelligence idiot. It would be very evil and very stupid. This is why people get angry at people like you. Very hopefully you'll consider what I've said and change in the future, very unlikely, but hopefully.

>> No.9805317

>>9805264
>questioned and debated like IQ
IQ is only questioned and debated by non-scientific types, .i.e. whose opinions can be disregarded

>> No.9805320

>>9805311
Gene Modding and eugenics will lead to either the end of the human race or some kind of mutated species for the worse because people like you believe its several times easier than it actually is.

>> No.9805322

>>9805315
This isn't true, so you're a liar.

>> No.9805324

>>9805315
>I'm going to parrot disinfo as fact and hope no one notices.

>> No.9805326

>>9805320
We already modify organisms, humans can be modified as well. Over the next few decades it will (and should) become common.

>> No.9805329
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>>9805259
Because the Jews and Asians would be revealed as the superior races. As if they want that label.

>> No.9805332

>>9805322
>>9805324
But it is true and factual.

>>9805259
>Why are people, especially feminists, so opposed to using science to classify people into race?
Because the science has concluded that race is a social construct.

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>>9805332
>Social justice warrior wishful thinking is fact now

>> No.9805338

>IQ
>affected by environmental factors such as nutrition, bedrest, and education
>test a bunch of uneducated malnutrients that were up all night because babby has zika
>"They probably scored lower because they're black"
Lol this whole thread

>> No.9805344

>>9805338
Even when all of those variables are controlled for the difference still remains. I'm curious to see what mental gymnastics you'll use to explain that.

>> No.9805346

Jews are the master race all goys must bow down

>> No.9805348

>>9805332
>Because the science has concluded that race is a social construct.
lmao how are there actually people like this?
We can tell the race of a person by looking at their skeleton my guy, let alone their DNA.

>> No.9805357

>>9805344
Why don't you post the study you are talking about so we can discuss what it shows, and we know where this comes from.

>> No.9805361

>>9805344
>Even when all of those variables are controlled
Lol this has never happened

>> No.9805363

>>9805259
Because that line of thinking brought us to the brink of destruction 80 years ago

>> No.9805364

>>9805348
You can determine a lot of things from a skeleton. Age, sex, diseases, diet, etc. With the race determination, you are simply matching regional morphologies to modern socially constructed groups. They don't find "black" bones, they find Bantu bones or something and say "that's a black guy."

>> No.9805365

>>9805348
>This is what phrenologists actually believe

>> No.9805371

>>9805364
There's no difference, we can draw regional variation and claim them to be breeds, like we do for all animals.
>>9805365
I'm not a phrenologist, you learn this in an intro to anatomy class. Go back to school.

>> No.9805373

>>9805371
You are equally as correct as a phrenologist.

Race=/=morphology btw

>> No.9805384

>>9805259
Because race gets arbitrary very fast when we look at it biologically, genetically we just don't group easily into neat groups that give us a useful indication of what genotypes people will have, and the people pushing for it are usually pretty fucking racist.

You have to remember that there is a big difference between socially dividing us into groups and scientifically doing it. If you are trying to be scientific about it, you would want a rigorous grouping that is actually useful. Black and White simply does not correspond to groups of genotypes that way. And beyond that geographic groupings are far more useful and less arbitrary.

>> No.9805416

>>9805357
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

>> No.9805435

>>9805416
This study does not back your point

>> No.9805448

>>9805416
Did you actually read this before you posted it? They did not find that:
>Even when all of those variables are controlled for the difference still remains.
And they didn't even have great control for a lot of important variables, as you claim has been done.

Read the whole interpretations paragraph.

>> No.9805474

>>9805384
>And beyond that geographic groupings are far more useful and less arbitrary.
fun fact: we've got it boiled down to what you will most likely earn, when you're in your 50's, dictated on what zip code you were raised in.

racial division is garbo. everyone uses geographical division.

>> No.9805536

>>9805435
>>9805448

Imagine being this willfully blind

>> No.9805555

>>9805536
Why do you do this? What do you gain from lying on the internet?

>> No.9805556

>>9805555
Not an argument. Present some empirical evidence or go back to your liberal retard echochamber.

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>>9805556
The interpretation from the study has ALWAYS been that the difference is likely a combination of genes and environment, but the results are ultimately inconclusive due to all the confounding variables involved.

The latest interpretation is pic related.

>> No.9805591

>>9805556
> once corrected for attrition in the low IQ white adoptees, once corrected for the Flynn effect since none of the Asian adoptee studies had a white control sample, mixed and white adoptees score the same, black adoptees score a little lower with a gap of 2.5pt, which can be explained by their pre-adoption characteristics
Imagine being this much of a brainlet you have to denigrate whole races to make yourself feel somehow 'smarter', gtfo faggot

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>>9805259
Modern leftish philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science, objective reality and to insist that everything is culturally relative. It is true that one can ask serious questions about the foundations of scientific knowledge and about how, if at all, the concept of objective reality can be defined. But it is obvious that modern leftish philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge. They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality. They attack these concepts because of their own psychological needs. For one thing, their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power. More importantly, the leftist hates science and rationality because they classify certain beliefs as true (i.e., successful, superior) and other beliefs as false (i.e., failed, inferior). The leftist’s feelings of inferiority run so deep that he cannot tolerate any classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior. This also underlies the rejection by many leftists of the concept of mental illness and of the utility of IQ tests. Leftists are antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior because such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior or inferior to others. Leftists prefer to give society the credit or blame for an individual’s ability or lack of it. Thus if a person is “inferior” it is not his fault, but society’s, because he has not been brought up properly.

>> No.9805596

>>9805591
>Look how progressive and tolerant I am, Reddit. I ignore objective reality when it doesn't conform to my worldview.

>> No.9805601

>>9805596
Why do you do this? What do you gain from lying on the internet?

>> No.9805611

>>9805259
Because the classifications wouldn't jive at all with skin color. Any racial classifications based on genetic differentiation would end up with groups that don't at all look like what we call "black people" "white people" etc., so it's been found to sort of be a dead end.