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How the fuck does a series of 0s and 1s eventually allow for subjective experiences?

>> No.9783177

>>9783171
What are you even trying to say

>> No.9783179

>>9783171
pff, fuckin, i don't know man, maybe subjective experiences are just stochastic processes with a super wide range of outcomes, so maybe thats how

>> No.9783188

>>9783171
How the fuck does a network of interconnected cells eventually allow for subjective experiences?

>> No.9783201 [DELETED] 

One guess is that stable patterns build up - super versions of the j-k flip-flop.
But all that is just about the pattern of the bits, which seems to correlate something interesting hapening.
Why we aren't zombies is a total mystery.

>> No.9783205

One guess is that stable patterns build up - super versions of the j-k flip-flop.
But all that is just about the pattern of the bits, which seems to correlate with something interesting happening.
Why we aren't zombies, is a total mystery.

>> No.9783220

>>9783179
>believing anything is a stochastic process

Sure is summer in here

>> No.9783274

>>9783188
How the fuck does a bunch of tiny spheres connecting to eachother eventually allow for subjective experiences?

>> No.9783285

>>9783171
>How the fuck does a series of 0s and 1s eventually allow for subjective experiences?
Are you talking about computers, or people?
Or are you one of these reductionist tards that thinks "people are just meat computers"?

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>>9783220

>> No.9783387

How could it not?

>> No.9783391

Because the universe has intelligence infinitely larger than humans and we are arrogant enough to think we have it all figured out so we ask ourselves questions in amazement that the fucking universe who created us must tell us right now how its master plan or ill not sleep tonight.

>> No.9783398

>>9783171
How the fuck does a series of conductive cells eventually allow for subjective experiences?
Your argument is moot. Stop trying to pass reductive bullshit like this in front of programmers.

>> No.9783401

>>9783391
/r/iamverysmart
nice run-on EVERYTHING there.

>> No.9783402

Do you even know what a subjective experience is? You literally created the 1s and the 0s in your own mind to make sense of it all.

>> No.9783403

>>9783285
jesusnuts go to >>>/x/

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>>9783401
What do we do about you.

>> No.9783407

>>9783398
fuck off back to >>>/g/

>> No.9783411

>>9783407
No, i am here to invade your board and you can't do shit about it. /g/ isn't my taste anyways, too many normalfags and their fapple smurt fones there

>> No.9783421

>>9783401
what the fuck is wrong with you the board is full of retards laughing at unfunny intelligent normie humour like a bunch of jely kids. It's so over compensating it is saddening.

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>>9783171
OP, I feel sorry for your retardation so I will try to help. I didn't push myself to read your shitty pic entirely, but I can tell you have a real confusion inside that skull. Let's rephrase your question:

- How can a sequence of sentential evaluations (true and false values) lead to subjective experience?

From this we can understand the original question, even though OP doesn't understand it himself. If a string of 1s and 0s is passed meaningfully then there must be a set of statements that it attaches to. eg: the binary number 1001 simply means a sum of 8(true), 4(false), 2(false), and 1(true); a black image passes as 0000...000 since every pixel is turned off. The same way, we know the potential for all the qualia we experience must exist(since we experience it), so there must also be a set of strings of 1s and 0s that turn these elements of qualia on and off.

>> No.9783424

>>9783411
fuck off back to >>>/pol/

>> No.9783430

>>9783423
>it happens when certain patterns happen
well, duh

but how?

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>>9783171
>computer analogy
Fuck you. Holy shit fuck you so much. I swear the next time I hear another retarded computer analogy to describe the brain I'm going to personally find you and beat the ever living shit out of you until you cry for mercy. You computer """science""" mongoloids need to be purged and stop putting your nose in real science. The brain is NOT a fucking computer. Stop. Fucking stop. For the love of God stop. There is not a single similarity between a computer and the brain, other than your skewed perception since all you've done in your life is sit in front of a screen like the fucking autistic little shit you are. You are a pest. Everytime I read "oh well you know the brain is actually a very advanced computer", I vividly picture a skinny, limp-wristed pale smug piece of shit. He frequently posts in /r/science. He already got his daily dose of dopamine from the upvotes he got from making fun of Trump and posting a Schrodinger's Cat reference. He feels ""edgy" so he comes to 4chan because he think his popscience-tier knowledge of the brain is something worth sharing here. He takes a glance at a post mentioning the brain. He smiles. He knows what's he's about to say. He can't hold it anymore. He takes a sip of his meal replacement drink before putting his fingers to work.
>"Haha well you know consciousness it's a chemical reaction in the brain, it's actually a lot like a computer. Let me explain."
Then he starts to ramble about something he learned in his CS class. He pats himself on the back. He just teached another ignorant fool about how the brain is just a computer. Because that's all there is right? Computers. Reality is the matrix! This is all just a simulation!. You fucking manchild... You fucking disgrace of a human.
>"brain gombuter :DDD"
God, just thinking about you makes my blood boil. I can't believe I share a reality with people like you. It honestly brings me suffering.

>> No.9783448

>>9783438
this is what happens when you learn CS without knowing basic chemistry or physics

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>>9783438

>> No.9783478

>>9783467
based

>> No.9783488

>>9783438
https://mechanism.ucsd.edu/teaching/w12/philneuro/metaphorsandconceptionsofbrain.key.pdf

it's the latest iteration in brain metaphors anon
scientists are always trying to model the brain using whatever the latest technology is.
mechanical model, hydraulic model, electrical model, computer model.
we are getting a bit closer now though because we're using computers to try to simulate the human brain instead of trying to force the brain into some other computational model. look up neuromorphic computing

>> No.9784083

>>9783171
How do I know whether, I'm actually fucking your mom, or dreaming, asleep after fucking her?

>> No.9784114

>>9783401
include me in the screenshot pls

>> No.9784292

>>9783438
Was it autism?

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>>9783430
Going beyond the answer to a rhetorical question -'How this?' as in 'This shouldn't be possible!'- is not hard as well. One string of 1s and 0s can be interpreted in infinite ways, which implies subjective experience must select one of these ways for itself. The selection is a function of utility, which still leaves space for an infinite number of useful meanings. The utility argument then must be limited to a planet, region, time, to yield a number(non-infinite) of qualias. However, all of these possible qualias must have a physical substratum, an elemental unit that can be mathematicaly built into all human sensory experiences. Panpsychism simply follows from: mind = working brain then working brain = mind. Not so hard eh? OP couldn't solve it because he didn't even believe in his own premise.

>> No.9784403

>>9783177
>how series of bits become A.I

>> No.9784407

>>9783274
you mean tiny cords, right?

>> No.9784590

>>9783430
You already know "what" is from a rational point of view: a series of ones and zeroes. "how" would merely describe the process: how does the phenomena happen? The anon you replied to awnsered.

Maybe the question you want is "why"? Which would lead to "what for?", and here we go back to the origin of existence, God, metaphysics and theology.

>> No.9784604

>>9783171
>>9784403
How the fuck does a series of neurons eventually allow for subjective experiences?

>> No.9784612

>>9783171
define
>subjective experiences

>> No.9785062

>>9783177
This might not be the right board for you buddy

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>>9783171
Just to settle this thread: It's the third '0' or '1' that actually make it subjective, because that is truncation.

The mathematical idea of a 'set' means the 'atomic referential variables presented', to whit the universal set goes:
{0, 1, Truncation} or {Unit, Identity, Termination}

Much easier to think in terms of 'comparison' vs 'justification'

>> No.9785598

Brainlet non /sci/ native here. I'm convinced that for "sentient" AI to be created it needs to have the ability to feel pain. I believe that the desire to avoid pain is what allows organic lifeforms to think beyond strict logic, and I believe it would yield "sentient" thought in artificial life as well.

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>>9783438
well, how far are computers from the brain? we know computers have a lot of computational power, but they're just executing a series of commands while our brain is a neural network.

if we couldn't even make feral children normal then how can we hope to create an AI with at least equal intelligence as us?

>>9783423
wrong. "ones and zeros" is binary and we don't necessarily need to operate on binary because our brain isn't a series of transistors. the examples you mentioned such as writing unicode characters in binary or choosing color values for a pixel is not comparable to the way our brain works. a computer is just a calculator with very strong computational power, it needs input to create output.

i tried thinking of methods to equate them, such as equating data in kilobytes and converting it to electrons (we've all heard that the total data on the internet weighs the same as a strawberry) but the electricity in our brain isn't comparable to it and neither is the size of the brain (we'd still be a neural network if our brain was cut in half). we have so much input that we receive, much of it being not just from the outside but from our internal thoughts, that there's no way to figure it out atm

>> No.9785613

>>9784590
>Maybe the question you want is "why"?

Did I fucking stutter?
I asked "how".