/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9777915]

>you can't do experiments
>It's not a science

Why are people that dumb?

[Anonymous No.9777930]

>>9777915
people actually think this ?

[Anonymous No.9777948]

>>9777930
yes

[Anonymous No.9777972]

>>9777915
example of science which requires no experimentation please

[Anonymous No.9777980]

>>9777915
Pure conjecture.

[Anonymous No.9778090]

>>9777972
No experimentation = no science. What the Greeks did was philosophy -- and, as a result, they got most stuff wrong.

We can't build stars.
All we can do is study the billions which already exist at all stages of development.

We can study the behavior of matter under laboratory conditions which duplicate (on a VERY small scale) the states of temperature, pressure, density found within stars.
Sort of like building model ships and towing them in tanks with the appropriate Prandtl number to predict how the full-sized craft would perform.
"Modeling" works and produces impressively accurate predictions.

Nearest thing to "no experiments" I can think of is string theory stuff and interactions at the Planck length.
Whether or not that's "science" is a matter of hot debate.

>>9777915
What anime is that from and is there a good reason he's not wearing a glove?

[Anonymous No.9778101]

>>9778090
anime is Dennou Coil, no idea why he isn't wearing a glove

[Anonymous No.9778105]

>>9777915
They're right you know

[Anonymous No.9778106]

>>9777972
paleontology

[Anonymous No.9778109]

>>9777915
>i took a science class in middle school so i get the gist
this is what normies actually believe

[Anonymous No.9778173]

>>9777972
>>9778090
Macrobiology;
zoology, ecology, anatomy, geology and things like ethology probably woulldnt pass either considering things like social science or psychology dont seem to. I mean cog psych has experiments but they dont pass for many people.

[Anonymous No.9778422]

>>9778090
>>9778106
>>9778173
thanks for the legit answers, wasn't trying to rattle any cages

[Anonymous No.9778452]

>>9777915
Science is pure data collection. Experiments are just ways of collecting even more data. Engineering uses the data. Philosophy governs what data is recorded and what is done with the data.

[Anonymous No.9778639]

>>9778452
why do people continually meme that phillosophy matters to scientists.

[Anonymous No.9778651]

>>9778639
Because it is the scientists' own philosophy that decides what subjects they choose to research. The ironic thing is that saying philosophy doesn't matter to science is a philosophy unto itself.

[Anonymous No.9778686]

>>9778452
Science is not "just" data collection.
There are fields where collecting is an end in itself. Butterflies, say. But only superficially.

Science is about collecting data AND THEN formulating the most general theory possible explaining all the data.
Caveman 1: "Shiny rocks fall"
Caveman 2: "Dull rocks fall"
Smarter caveman generalizes: "All rocks fall. We don't need to test every single rock."
Time passes and people discover things other than rocks fall.
Galileo: "All things fall at the same rate, regardless of size or shape or composition. We don't need to drop every imaginable object."
Still later...
Newton: "All objects fall at a rate proportional to the mass of the planet they're on and inversely proportional to the square of the distance they are from the center of the planet. We don't have to experiment, dropping things from different heights on different planets."

The rules become more and more general. THAT is Science.
Even lepidopterists use their butterfly collections to trace evolutionary history.

If you don't use your data to establish overarching principles, you might as well be collecting stamps. That's not science.

[Anonymous No.9778704]

>>9778651
yeah but youre using philosophy in two ddifferent senses disingenuously.

[Anonymous No.9778715]

>>9778686
Science is ONLY data collection.

>>9778704
Even more irony.

[Anonymous No.9778723]

>>9777915
it's about falsifiablility not whether you can construct and experiment
sometimes all we can do is observe and draw conclusions from that, but that's all science really is
When you do an experiment all you're really doing is making it so your observations are actually reliable.

[Anonymous No.9778770]

>>9778452
>science is only data collection
>he hasn't even read his Kuhn
Seems like you're still stuck in a pre-paradigmatic model of science, anon.

[Anonymous No.9778791]

>>9778101
>anime is dennou coil
False:
The image title says it all, the anime is boku no pico.

[Anonymous No.9779065]

>>9778723
>making it so your observations are actually reliable
kinda makes sense

>>9778770
lol kuhn was debunked desu

[Anonymous No.9779067]

>>9779065
Debunked by whom and why? I'd be interested in seeing that.

[Anonymous No.9779104]

>>9778723
>it's about falsifiablility not whether you can construct and experiment
Uncertainty principle is unfalsiable. It was debunked at least 2 times: with bubble chambers and entanglement, but they are keeping adding excuses to it.
Quantum mechanics is not science.

[Anonymous No.9779107]

>>9779104