Scientists: Octopus are aliens

[Anonymous No.9762631]

>Octopuses are aliens. That’s the claim being made by a team of 33 researchers published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. They are not referring to aliens in a metaphorical sense, but literal aliens from outer space.

>Specifically, the researchers propose the idea that alien viruses crashed to Earth in a meteor, infected a population of primitive squid and caused them to evolve into octopuses.

>Another theory they suggest is that fertilised squid or octopus eggs were delivered to Earth by a meteor.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/octopus-aliens-scientists-theory-meteors-space-earth-cambrian-explosion-a8358631.html?amp

>The collective, consisting of 33 scientists from around the world, has published a paper in the journal Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology that discusses the possible origins of octopuses. The paper points out that the existing theory that they evolved from a nautiloid that inhabited the Earth about 500 million years ago doesn't hold water, as the genetic differences and characteristics between the two are too vast and couldn't have happened over that period of time.

>The scientists note that octopuses possess a sophisticated nervous system, shapeshifting bodies and an ability to mask themselves with their surroundings — traits that the nautiloid never had. Additionally, it has recently been discovered that despite their rather stable DNA, octopuses can manipulate their own RNA to adapt to almost any environment. According to the scientists, all these features "seem to be borrowed from a far distant ‘future' in terms of terrestrial evolution."

https://sputniknews.com/amp/science/201805191064611666-alien-octopuses-eggs
Well boys?

[Anonymous No.9762649]

>>9762631
jfc

This is why people are so confused with biophysics.

[Anonymous No.9762657]

>>9762649
>This is why people are so confused with biophysics.
Yeah because were studying aliens. We too are aliens just like octopuses.

[Anonymous No.9762662]

>>9762631
>Octopus are aliens
>>9762657
>We too are aliens just like octopuses

this is a joke, has to be.

[Anonymous No.9762683]

>>9762662
Stop being ignorant. It perfectly explains why we are so different from primates
>>>/x/20800852 →

[Anonymous No.9762692]

>>9762683
Have they found any evidence for this though?
Perhaps the extraterrestrial virus?

[Anonymous No.9762717]

>space viruses
viruses need a host to exist, space aliens are far too different at a biochemical level for their analogue of virus to work on endemic species

[Anonymous No.9762721]

>>9762717

Their point was that all terrestrial life came from spess, so the viruses would at least be adapted to the same kind of DNA/protein machinery.

[Anonymous No.9762736]

>>9762721
oh god that's an even bigger reach

[Anonymous No.9762775]

>>9762736

I actually read the whole original article today because I was slacking off at work, they make some very compelling points. Like how fossilized bacteria have been found in rocks dating back 4.5 billion years in the hadean era where the Earth environment was so hostile that no biomolecules would even be stable, let alone living systems. So they suggest that those bacteria came on a meteorite.

They also make the point that the environment inside a comet or icy moon could be perfect for the emergence of chemoautotrophic life, if the bodies were heated from within via radioactive decay. They cite the bacterium whose name I can't remember but it lives 2.5 km underground and for energy it uses formate produced by the irradiation of carbonate minerals.

[Anonymous No.9762783]

>mfw aliens taste delicious
I'm Okay with that.

[Anonymous No.9762792]

>>9762775
So, they suggest that life came to Earth via the means of extraterrestrial single-celled organisms and then at some later point that an extraterrestrial virus also came to Earth and caused the mutation of more "complex" lifeforms, like Octopoda and Homo?

[Anonymous No.9762801]

>>9762692
>Have they found any evidence for this though?
>Perhaps the extraterrestrial virus?
>implying all life on. Earth isn't extra terrestrial

[Anonymous No.9762807]

>>9762801
How long does life on Earth need to be on Earth before it stops being extraterrestrial?
Sure sounds like a semantic argument to me, but that's the wrong definition you're invoking there, buddy.

[Anonymous No.9762808]

>>9762807
*context not definition

[Anonymous No.9762816]

>>9762792
>implying all our water wasn't transported
>>9762807
Some guy proposed to me yesterday that a German Shepard born in the USA should now be called an American Shepard. I wanted to call him an idiot but I forgot I'm an idiot myself.
I forgot my point.

[Anonymous No.9762825]

>>9762792

They propose pretty much a constant rain of biological material, tardigrades were another of their examples, they could survive a trip through space.

The viruses don't necessarily all need to be from space, but they do put a lot of emphasis on the role of retroviruses in causing big evolutionary leaps by inserting extra genes and propose them as a key driver of evolution.

[Anonymous No.9762839]

>>9762825
Yip this. Viruses can fuck with your genes for good or bad

[Anonymous No.9762849]

>>9762631
this is profoundly retarded. I reject entirely the idea that an extraterrestrial virus could infect any species outside of its planet of origin.

[Anonymous No.9762854]

>>9762775
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. that's a whole lotta "what ifs"

[Anonymous No.9762868]

>>9762631
>Octopuses are aliens
>Octopuses evolved because some squids were infected with alien viruses
Fuck you, those aren't the same thing. The second one is significantly less cool.

[Anonymous No.9762873]

>>9762816
>implying all our water wasn't transported
It was, but radiation from the local solar object probably sterilized it, so would the impact and resulting heat.
Space is really hostile to life.
>American Shepard
If they alter the breed slightly, I'll allow it.

[Anonymous No.9762877]

>>9762825
But tardigrades are significantly more complex than single-celled organisms?

[Anonymous No.9762880]

>>9762849
>implying life started on earth.
Panspermia is a really old theory
>>9762854
Sadly we don't know much about anything. So take things in strides and stay open minded
>>9762873
So you don't believe life on earth could have originated on earth?

[Anonymous No.9762888]

>>9762877
>But tardigrades are significantly more complex than single-celled organisms?
Can't a virus survive being frozen in stasis basically? Floating in space on a giant icy comet. Then say through magic survive re-entry and begin its propagation

[Anonymous No.9762897]

That's an extraordinary claim if ever I did hear one, but their evidence is not quite so extraordinary.

This just sounds like an attention-grab, which I'm sure the public will give their clicks to.

[Anonymous No.9762898]

>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/octopus-aliens-scientists-theory-meteors-space-earth-cambrian-explosion-a8358631.html?amp


The independent misquoted the journal article.

>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0079610718300798

They're saying that panspermia plausibly caused the Cambrian explosion.

>Cause of Cambrian Explosion - Terrestrial or Cosmic?

Sorry should have posted this earlier

[Anonymous No.9762910]

>>9762880
>Panspermia is a really old theory

an old retarded theory with literally no evidence to support it.

[Anonymous No.9762936]

>>9762888
I suppose, but it would need to be a dense meteor.

[Anonymous No.9763051]

>>9762910
I suppose you suck theoretical physicist cock
>>9762936
>I suppose, but it would need to be a dense meteor.
Yeah it's within the realms of possibility>>9762898
Over here they mentioned it could be involved with the Cambrian explosion. Its rather odd how all life just randomly blossomed like that.

[Anonymous No.9763178]

>>9762849
>I reject entirely the idea that an extraterrestrial virus could infect any species outside of its planet of origin.
And that's why NASA and other space agencies don't give a shit about sterilizing the stuff they send to other planets.

[Anonymous No.9763222]

>>9763178
What? Yes they do. Unless that was your point.

[Anonymous No.9763225]

I watched some documentary years ago (can't remember the name) but it proposed that if humans were to suddenly disappear from the entire planet that the next species to evolve would be some type of squid

[Anonymous No.9763290]

>>9763225
Could you find that for me?

[Anonymous No.9763299]

>>9763290
I found a vague article about a similar topic:
>https://psmag.com/environment/planet-octopuses-animal-species-likely-rise-overthrow-humans-67576
>Tentacles
>Big, complex eyes
>Big brains compared to body size
>Tool use
>Communication

[Anonymous No.9763300]

>>9762783
>aliens taste delicious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXIXCpQI7ws

[Anonymous No.9763301]

>>9763290
Sorry, I have no clue at all what it might be called

[Anonymous No.9763313]

>>9762825
>>9762631
>>9762849

Organismal and Viral Panspermia is FAIL science and biologists laugh, it is modified ID and doesn't answer were or how life evolved, it merely displaces it to "out there". Viruses enter and exit cells via constantly shifting and co-evoling binding site receptors and enzyme systems. This is why you don't get sick with Feline Leukemia virus - it can't get in because you don't have the right receptor sites. Same for horse flu. Sometimes they get into other hosts, but dead end because they can't infect conspecifics (cats can get dog flu H3N8- but only from dogs and not from other cats). The most primitive viruses are large and suggest early bacterial parasites that shed traits and material to be more specific pathogens. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-where-did-viruses-come-fr/ and https://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/student-voices/once_upon_a_time_the and http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001574 Space virus would not be able to infect terrestrial organisms. Likewise it is ridiculous to presume that space virus infects benthic nautiloids and no other species. While it is specific to the coleoid cephalopod lineage and results in less genome evolution and more stability for short term adaptive modifications of RNA. http://blogs.plos.org/dnascience/2017/04/06/octopuses-squid-and-cuttlefish-rna-editing-instead-of-genome-evolution/ and https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bies.201100001..

[Anonymous No.9763315]

>>9763299
I think the only thing holding them back is being waterborne. They can't really do much in the water. But its a cool thought experiment
Perhaps if the evolved to live on land sure
>>9763301
>Sorry, I have no clue at all what it might be called
I was hoping you'd try your googlefu and type in abunch a keywords that might lead you to the documentary you watch. I do it sometimes to find shit I've forgot.

[Anonymous No.9763329]

>>9763313
Shit. Your right. Thanks for spoiling the fun boffin :)
But those viruses and such would have had to evolve along side the animal than if they're strictly specific in their host species.
Who's to say a foreign virus can't adapt

[Anonymous No.9763335]

>>9763315
The Future is Wild. First thing I found in google. Could still be wrong though. But if you want to check out something else in the mean time, I'd recommend Alien Planet "documentary:

[Anonymous No.9763346]

your time is coming to an end, hominid.

[Anonymous No.9763358]

>Panspermia

Mr. Occam is getting remarkably shaggy, boys.

[Anonymous No.9763415]

>>9762854
>what is an hypothesis

[Anonymous No.9763448]

>>9762807
If it is extra-terrestrial it is extra-terrestrial. Only in Sweden aliens turn into swedes in 15 inch... seconds.

[Anonymous No.9763454]

>>9763299
Imagine selective breeding octopuses to create a super intelligent octopus. By the way, what does a octopussy looks like?

[Anonymous No.9763839]

>>9763346
>your time is coming to an end, hominid.
They post among us

[Anonymous No.9763845]

>>9762631
Are you telling me all the hentai I watch actually has aliens in it?

[Anonymous No.9763867]

>>9762631
If that's the case, then aliens are delicious.

[Anonymous No.9763872]

>>9762631
So, the spawn of Cthulu are real then.

[Anonymous No.9763931]

The "8" cycle is the truth.
They are simply embodying the truth.
Whereas human constitute eight cycles for men and women, octopus has eight cycles at alone.

[Anonymous No.9763933]

>>9763346
please mr octopussy spare me

[Anonymous No.9763966]

>>9763931
Please enlighten me further oh wise master of truth

[Anonymous No.9763971]

>>9763966
OK...
But I want Takoyaki of Akashi for reward.

[Anonymous No.9763977]

>>9762631
Literal meme science

[Anonymous No.9764061]

Why are people so fascinated with Earth life coming from space?
All these comet theories and crap?
It still doesn't solve the question about the origin of life and it's a lot easier to accept that Earth had the right conditions.

[Anonymous No.9764187]

>>9762631
Is it octopussies? octopussai octai, octopussaieai?

[Anonymous No.9764191]

>>9764187
Its octopoons

[Anonymous No.9764206]

>>9762683
We aren't different from primates. We are primates.

[Anonymous No.9764210]

>>9764206
>humans are exactly monkeys
LOL

[Anonymous No.9764218]

>>9764206
>only white people

[Anonymous No.9764220]

>>9764218
>>9764206
>>only white people

[Anonymous No.9764890]

>>9763313

Looks like someone's mad

[Anonymous No.9764895]

>>9762631
>the absolute state of biology

[Anonymous No.9764905]

panspermia sounds a bit lewd desu

[Anonymous No.9764918]

>>9763329
For it to adapt to an unsuitable host it needs to undergo cycles of reproduction for which it needs a suitable host. So if you don't have a suitable host, you can't adapt if you're a virus.

[Anonymous No.9764933]

>>9764905
>panspermia sounds a bit lewd desu
Its even better when you realise the big bang was just the result of God blowing his load into time and created space
>>9764918
But aren't their a lot of common protein things(whatever that things called that virus attach too to get access to the cell) I mean just imagine a highly evolved virus capable of change its shape. Specifically created by Prometheus aliens

[Anonymous No.9765061]

>>9762877

The authors' point was that there's no selection pressure on Earth to make tardigrades into such indestructible motherfuckers, but they could have evolved somewhere much more hostile (maybe even in space) and survived the trip down to Earth as a result of their hardiness.

[Anonymous No.9765917]

holy shit /sci/ is retarded
try actually reading the article
t. /x/

[Anonymous No.9766341]

>>9762631
Too stupid to be real. There's no way an alien organism can survive an alien (to them) environment and thrive. Fuck off and stop ruining science's reputation, you faggot.

[Anonymous No.9767484]

>>9762631
OP is right, you know.

[Anonymous No.9767489]

>>9762683
ANCIENT

[Anonymous No.9767492]

>>9767489
ALIENS

[Anonymous No.9767530]

>"""scientists"""
>too retarded to know that it's octopodes, not "octopuses"
Into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.9767733]

>>9764191
>>9762631
>>9764187
Octopodes*
It’s greek.
>inb4 the Jesopodes guy from the other thread finds me posting here.

[Anonymous No.9767744]

>>9763454
External fertilization bro.

[Anonymous No.9767940]

>>9764220
>blacks never evolved
Ok

[Anonymous No.9767952]

>>9762631
so evolution throws you a curve ball and this is the end result of the study? lol

[Anonymous No.9767973]

>>9767952
Why not?

[Anonymous No.9767990]

>>9762631
bullshit paper picked up by even more bullshit pop-sci news outlets

[Anonymous No.9768010]

>>9766341
>There's no way I know of
>therefore it can't be
Whatever you say, Cletus.

[Anonymous No.9768014]

>>9762807
>How long does life on Earth need to be on Earth before it stops being extraterrestrial?
>extra
see, the answer was right in the question, as it usually is.

[Anonymous No.9768016]

>>9762631
Frogs can change their sex. I heal faster than other people and am immune to the flu. Is that due to aliens too ?

[Anonymous No.9768105]

>>9768016
>I heal faster than other people and am immune to the flu. Is that due to aliens too ?
Lex luthor? Also I don't believe you

[Anonymous No.9768173]

>>9762631
What's more likely, an unusually quick jump in evolution or a extraterrestial virus causing squid to evolve into octopus?

Occam's razor baby

[Anonymous No.9768178]

>>9768173
The most likely conclusion is that evolution is a retarded and incorrect theory and more and more of these discrepancies pop up faster than scientists can rationalize them away

[Anonymous No.9768200]

>>9768173
>le top kek's razor argument
*sips onions*

[Anonymous No.9768297]

>>9762631
>be alien invader
>be capable of space travel
<lack opposable thumbs
<live underwater, incapable of even basic tool use or metalworking
<helpless against the planet's natives
<routinely eaten alive
This has to be a joke.

[Anonymous No.9768344]

>>9762631
>Opie makes a joke about octopi being ayys
>It mentions a pbmb, a journal I like and know to be reputable
Considering I like the journal(despite not knowing much about biophysics and molecular
biology, I like them for philsophy and generalizations
of biology) and know more about headfoots than I probably should. I'm going to check it out.

[Anonymous No.9768378]

>>9768344
>anybody who would publish this garbage
>reputable
Yeah I can see that you like the """philosophy""" and generalizations. Stick to J.K. Rowling's book on animals pls

[Anonymous No.9768424]

>>9768378
Don't embarrass yourself like this man.

[Anonymous No.9768436]

>>9768200
“You are right but I will make a meme that’ll how you!”

[Anonymous No.9768437]

>>9762683
Ww’re not “so different from primates”. We are primates and great apes, and don’t showcase any real deviations from the great ape form.

[Anonymous No.9768441]

>>9762783
Eating conscious beings is wrong. Stop.

[Anonymous No.9768472]

>>9762631
>sources are the independent brit tabloid and putinnews

[Anonymous No.9768662]

>>9762897
diss

[Anonymous No.9768821]

>>9768344
So I read the article, it's trash.
>>9768378
People like you, only smarter wrote the article.

[Anonymous No.9770285]

>tfw

[Anonymous No.9770751]

>>9768178
Creationist?
>>9768437
We aren't primates. We diverged from primates years ago with the homo shit.

[Anonymous No.9771369]

I've always told people that octopuses are not only alien species, but also the descendants of Cthulhu. Not even joking.

[Anonymous No.9771391]

Pretty arrogant on their part to just expect biological evidence to exist for the creature and its ancestral line

[Anonymous No.9771448]

>>9762631
I know of the theory that ALL life on Earth started from bacteria from another planet, maybe from when Mars was covered in water and had life. I just don't see why it is JUST Octopi, that seems pretty ridiculous.