/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9736296]

Why do we allow women in academia, again?

[Anonymous No.9736301]

Nothing wrong with that statement.

The problem is with what constitutes harassment.

[Anonymous No.9736305]

>>9736301
This. The post itself is fine, what raises a problem is the definition and misuse of 'harassment' as a legal term

[Anonymous No.9736314]

>>9736305
>misuse of 'harassment' as a legal term
The courts decide everyone goes home unhappy, this is how it works.

[Anonymous No.9736349]

We need more women in academia, not less.

[Anonymous No.9736360]

>>9736349
Bullshit.
Ask any scientist worth half a beer whether they'd prefer more women in science or more grant money, they'll pick grant money every time - even if they're not guaranteed to get it

[Anonymous No.9736364]

>>9736360
(Naturally, an argument could be made that women follow the grant money anyways and very few of them would stick around if you took the money away)

[Anonymous No.9736376]

>>9736364
Alpha fucks, beta grant money

[Anonymous No.9736397]

>>9736360
that's the stupidest false dichotomy i've seen in years

[Anonymous No.9736398]

>>9736296
Isn't harassment already considered misconduct?
What's the point of adding the adjective 'scientific' to the misconduct?
I thought scientific misconduct was reserved for falsifying data.
Being a bad person and doing bad work are two different things.

[Anonymous No.9736419]

>>9736301
fuck off roastie

[Anonymous No.9736424]

>>9736349
No brainlet there are naturally more men than women in STEM (if you're not talking STEM idc). Once the numbers are equal you're hiring dumb women

[Anonymous No.9736433]

really makes u think

[Anonymous No.9736463]

>>9736349
If there's an actual "need", it's for people in the field to get jobs regardless of their pant parts

[Anonymous No.9736477]

>>9736301
This is true because if an unattractive guy talks to a woman, some women would call it harassment. If an attractive guy practically molests a woman in public without knowing her, she may not do anything in any type of way.

Not all women are this way, but this does happen and its probably the biggest problem. Worth mentioning though, you shouldn't touch women without permission period attractive or unattractive.

[Anonymous No.9736481]

>>9736398
When a financial manager harasses, it should count as embezzlement.

[Anonymous No.9736482]

>>9736477
>you shouldn't touch women without permission period attractive or unattractive.
>t.

[Anonymous No.9736505]

>>9736296
I would take 1 pioneering, alpha Isaac Newton who happened to chase skirts over 100 feminist-ally mustard-watching basedboys. So would the skirts, by the way.

[Anonymous No.9736506]

>>9736505
s o y boys. What is this wordfilter shit

[Anonymous No.9736510]

>>9736433
seems valid, different genetics could influence trials. the majority of drug trials are done on middle aged white men, and not everyone has the same makeup as them obviously

forced diversity in this case actually isn't a bad thing, although it usually is

[Anonymous No.9736536]

>>9736296
affirmative action and memetics from the social left
>>9736301
>>9736305
>>9736349
kill yourselves, whores
>>9736481
this

[Anonymous No.9736549]

>>9736296
You have to keep in mind that Nature is the vice news of scientific journals. Science is the most patrician journal.

[Anonymous No.9736559]

"Defining harassment as misconduct provides more ways of deterring it. For example, the AGU has developed processes for investigating allegations, including for addressing concerns that might not rise to the level of a formal complaint. Sanctions might include being barred from meetings or publishing in society journals, or the denial of an award."

That seems to be the reason for wanting to define it as misconduct.

"To be clear, when talking about harassment, I am not referring to socially awkward interactions but to well-defined and documented behaviours — such as unwanted groping and requests for sexual favours — that create a hostile work environment."

"Courses in responsible research conduct, currently a requirement for trainees, should cover how to prevent and respond to harassment and bullying."

This part I don't get. Why should anti harassment training be a part of research conduct training?

[Anonymous No.9736569]

>>9736296
> All these cucks saying she is right

Scientific misconduct isnt workplace misconduct, it refers to intentionaly poor work such hiding results, lying on publication etc. Things likely to produce bad science.

Being mean to fellow workers has nothing to do with that, im sure many researchers of historical significance were 'toxic' to their workers. More worrying is the likely intention of this author. By applying a social dimension to whether something is good science or not she is trying to open the door to being able to disregard scientists and published work on a personal basis using something as nebulous as 'harrassment'.

Publish a paper on different alleles between races? The scientists responsible are bigots who no doubt made all women and brown people on the team uncomfortable. Study doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.9736727]

>>9736349
We also need more men in academia, not less.

[Anonymous No.9736753]

>>9736505
Isaac Newton was about as far from skirt-chasing as you could get. He was a volcel autist. Probably a fag too.

[Anonymous No.9736819]

>>9736569
Walter Lewin was unpersoned by MIT and any trace of his contribution as a professor was erased simply because he allegedly "harassed" a woman online by asking for nudes, which even if it did happen would not constitute harassment since she doesn't even deny to having consented.

[Anonymous No.9736832]

>>9736301
>The problem is with what constitutes harassment.
no shit now fuck off faggot

[Anonymous No.9736861]

>>9736506
onions as fuck

[Anonymous No.9736864]

>>9736861
lmao
filters s o y to onions
filters s o y b o y to basedboy
mods == gods

[Anonymous No.9736878]

>>9736349
We need more woman in garbage collecting, mining, plumbing and welding too. They aren't exactly lining up.

[Anonymous No.9736881]

>>9736819
a professor hitting on a student is bad for the same reason that a guard hitting on an inmate is bad. the power dynamic fucks things up.
and not like it was mere allegations either. MIT was given the Facebook records proving it.
>https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/01/23/complainant-unprecedented-walter-lewin-sexual-harassment-case-comes-forward

[Anonymous No.9736883]

>>9736349
>>9736727
wtf these are both true

[Anonymous No.9736887]

>>9736477
Why shouldn't you touch a woman without clearance? Are they so special and delicate that they must not be touched? Will you catch germs?
Should we wrap them in garbage bags like they do in Islamic countries?

[Anonymous No.9736889]

>>9736881
What fucking power dynamic? Does watching pewdiepie create a power dynamic between us?

[Anonymous No.9736895]

>>9736506
Some people at /g/ laughed at a mods hipster keyboard and called it soi. Not even kidding

[Anonymous No.9736899]

>>9736510
But race is a social construct

[Anonymous No.9736911]

>>9736881
Though I personally disagree and do not believe she was pressured into doing anything since she was taking a mere online course as leisure, I don't think it would be unreasonable for him to be terminated on those grounds. However, removing his videos and completely disassociating him from MIT and acting like he wasn't a good educator (he was and still is an excellent teacher) is going too far. He was treated like some serial rapist when he didn't even do anything illegal.

[Anonymous No.9736999]

>>9736889
you're saying that professors don't have power over their students?

confirmed for GED reject :^)

[Anonymous No.9737122]

>>9736549
>Nature is the vice news of scientific journals
nigger you fucking what lmao

[Anonymous No.9737139]

>>9736301
The responses to this post really show who actually use this board for something somewhat constructive vs those using it for just another platform to jerk themselves off

[Anonymous No.9737175]

>>9736296
As long as we don't discount legitimate research because the researcher is an asshole.

[Anonymous No.9737179]

>>9736398
A good scientist knows the conduct a scientist must maintain in order to provide a reliable source for the scientific data as well as back up any kind of experiments conducted by said scientist. The conduct to follow could be considered "Scientific Misconduct". Just some food for thought. I'm no scientist, so I wouldn't truly know if scientists have this same thought process.

[Anonymous No.9737198]

>>9736296
Science raped #metoo

[Anonymous No.9737204]

>>9736301
No, we should separate social conduct from scientific rigor.
Would you have a brilliant researcher's work discredited because he grabbed his assistants ass? That makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.9737224]

>>9736296
>blaming women for Intersectional Marxism

Fuck off >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.9737242]

>>9737224
Is that the unit circle?

[Anonymous No.9737246]

>>9737224
fucking kys social leftist, moralfag scum

[Anonymous No.9737434]

>>9736349
Woman already outnumber men in acedamia. The problem is the majority are lining up for fluff brain junk courses that are not much more than a Marxist indoctrination. Basically anything that ends in "studies".

[Anonymous No.9737438]

>>9737224
>Intersectional Marxism
that's an oxymoron, like "jumbo shrimp" or "engineering mathematics"

[Anonymous No.9737494]

>>9737122
The peer-reviewed articles are great, it's the other shit that's leftist garbage. Every single week they have some opinion piece that has the format "[minority / women] should [do something related to science]." That's why it's like vice news.

[Anonymous No.9737498]

>>9736349
kys roastie

[Anonymous No.9737610]

>>9737204
Why should scientists get off scot-free?

[Anonymous No.9737613]

>>9736911
It covers their tracks in case it escalates. If he did this online then who knows what may have occurred online or irl in the past.

[Anonymous No.9737619]

>>9737613
And that article says he did.

[Anonymous No.9737629]

>>9736881
>>9736999
It's not a "power dynamic," it's a total lack of professionalism. You make it sound like the only reason a professor shouldn't use his class as his personal dating service is that he might give them a bad grade at the end.

[Anonymous No.9737658]

>>9736349
Explain why we "need" more women in academia.

[Anonymous No.9737799]

>>9736510
Fuck you for agreeing with it, you know that's not the issue.

[Anonymous No.9737813]

>>9737610
who says he wouldn't have repurccusions? Those repurcussions simply wouldn't have an effect on the validity of his scientific research.

[Anonymous No.9737833]

>>9737799
Having medicine being tested on a limited population isn't a good idea. Especially in a country with wide demographics

[Anonymous No.9737859]

>>9737833
Wrong. The biggest problem these days is sharing medical technology for free with people who didn't discover it, and will go on to abuse it. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.9737873]

>>9737859
>How dare those Western doctors go into impoverished nations and try to save other human beings from the ravages of deadly diseases?
>said the neckbeard who's never produced anything of value

[Anonymous No.9737883]

>>9737873
>Go to shithole
>Treat people that would have died for free
>Suddenly overpopulation
>Send free food
>Small amount of producers can't compete with free and go bankruptupt
>need increases
>Desperation causes more environmental destruction
>Send more free shit
>Continues till area is unlivible
>Accept people as refugees
I never go this whole process

I live in Africa and have seen this first hand, I try to help then in a better way with small loans (and almost no interest, like 2% a year) , helping them set up small businesses and shit, but then a group of retards comes into town and gives away free shit and the people I helped can't sell the food they grew and now cant pay back the loan (which I expect in most cases). Other countries should just fuck off and it should be iligal to help or donate anything unless you live amount them to first hand see how you are fucking up the entire system. Also, STOP FUCKING SENDING FOOD IN PLASTIC WRAPPERS HOLY SHIT YOU TJINK THEY HAVE A FUCKTIONAING RECYCLING PROGRAMM MY ENRIRE LAWN IS COVETED WITH FOOD RATION WRAPPERS USE PAPER LIKE A COMETENT ORGINIZATION You FUCK WITS

[Anonymous No.9737903]

>>9737873
>Western doctors go into impoverished nations
It would be better if they did, desu. Then they could see the consequences of their actions. Where I live in India the local doctors will give you antibiotics for a skinned knee, and I know people who take them every day like some kind of multivitamin. Sharing your technology with us was a mistake.
t. rajanon

[Anonymous No.9737907]

>>9737883
The west wants to make africa into an aquarium, an artificial habitat that serves no purpose besides pleasing the eye of any observer, and that will collapse the moment food and water are no longer brought in from the outside.
The aim should be to turn it into a lake, a healthy ecosystem that can thrive even without outside interference.

[Anonymous No.9737917]

>>9736301
Harassment is general misconduct, not scientific misconduct. When you include it as such, you'll get things like actual plain bullshit being peddled as legitimate science due to some association of it with sex/gender (like the researchers sexes/genders, or the content going against political correctness and being dismantled despite being perfectly scientific).

[Anonymous No.9737924]

>>9736887
>will you catch germs

It is not about you, it is about them.

Perhaps they will catch germs from your cheeto-stained oily fat-fuck autistic hands, you troglodyte.

[Anonymous No.9737925]

>>9737903
>I know people who take them every day like some kind of multivitamin.

I am horrified.

Thanks for your input Indiabro

[Anonymous No.9737929]

>>9737224
Disgusting circle

[Anonymous No.9737948]

>>9737438
>implying industrialists don´t spend more of their time working than 9-5-workers
>implying industrialists aren´t more creative - and thus more deserving of wealth - than the average worker bee
The person who made that picture is a banal, double-digit IQ marxist troglodyte.

[Anonymous No.9737983]

>>9736349
Fuck off, STEM are the only fields where sob stories should not play any role in admission process.

In these fields, advancement is of utmost importance since innovation here has the most impact on the world. So we should not dilute the field with people who got the short end of a stick, even if that was out of their control.

It's sort of like feeling sorry for a low IQ mathematician wannabe but at some point you have to draw the line.

[Anonymous No.9738003]

>>9736505
>I would take 1 dick up the ass over 100 vaginas
...aaand that's the way it is.

[Anonymous No.9738010]

>>9736296
>Why do we allow
What do you mean by "we", Peasant?

[Anonymous No.9738293]

>>9737948
>being this much of a faggot

[Anonymous No.9738304]

This is now a Communist Revolution thread

[Anonymous No.9738326]

>>9736296
weak godless men gave into their whining bc they thought it would get them sum pucc

[Anonymous No.9738329]

>>9736349
wrong, they need to be mostly kept out of STEM because they bring all their sexual/emotional baggage and GET IN THE FUCKING WAY. But I agree their should be some kind of system to recognize and accept the truly RARE female geniuses a la Marie Curie, Emmy Noether, etc.

[Anonymous No.9738335]

>>9736349
(((You)))

[Anonymous No.9738430]

>>9737883
>letting people drop dead of curable diseases is the only way to stop overpopulation
have you ever heard of contraception? shame your mother didn't use some.

(look at India. 50 years ago, the fertility rate was 6 births per woman. now it's 2.4, just slightly above replacement. fertility rates are falling in sub-Saharan Africa as well, as the continent modernizes.)