/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9703065]

I got a perfect score on this thing.

I'm curious what IQ a perfect score on the SAT translates to, because I want to do a physics PhD at Princeton eventually and I'm not sure if I'm above the IQ cutoff. You guys are obsessed with IQ, so this the best place to ask. (I studied for the test about 30 hours total.)

[Anonymous No.9703070]

>>9703065
I studied for 4 hours and got a perfect score and finished in 15 minutes. Double PhD in pure math and theoretical physics from mit btw :)

[Anonymous No.9703077]

The SAT isn't very G-Loaded, especially the math.

[Anonymous No.9703078]

if you really want to know, get a professional test done. an SAT score probably doesn't translate to IQ in a consistent manner

[Anonymous No.9703079]

>>9703065
The ceiling used to be 170 back when Bill Gates took it. Now it's more like 150. Not high enough for Princeton's program, but high enough for pretty much anything else.

[Anonymous No.9703083]

>>9703070
i think anyone who was actually doing what you claim wouldn't give a shit about their fucking SAT score, it's a pretty braindead easy test.

[Anonymous No.9703084]

>>9703077
Because the questions are too reliant on knowledge or what?

[Anonymous No.9703089]

I bet literally everyone in that program has a perfect SAT score. Only brainlets get less than perfect. (I got just shy of perfect, but I'm also a brainlet.)

[Anonymous No.9703118]

>>9703084
Because it is designed to find Excel Monkeys not Nobel Physicists.

[Anonymous No.9703184]

>>9703118
This is such bullshit. I'm an MIT undergrad and every genuinely smart person I know got a perfect or near-perfect SAT.

[Anonymous No.9703197]

>>9703184
You go to MIT and you don't understand selection bias?

[Anonymous No.9703213]

>>9703197
The admissions at MIT selects heavily for SAT, because they know it's a good proxy for general intelligence. You seem to think it's designed to help the market find smart drones ("Excel monkeys").

[Anonymous No.9703221]

>>9703213
The SAT was completely revised just a few years ago. MIT probably only has the data now to determine how useful it is. The SAT is a major component of nearly every ranking of undergraduate colleges, so even if the SAT is useless, MIT will still use it, and still want the highest scores possible.

If you took the SAT math anytime in the last twenty five years and thought "this is a great proxy for math aptitude!" you are a moron. I think it is more likely you are emotionally attached to the idea that you are smarter than other people and a major reason you feel you are is because of your SAT score and association with MIT. Sad.

[Anonymous No.9703227]

>>9703221
The SAT is not really a thing on the west coast. In fact, I didn't even take the SAT, only the ACT. It is by no means a major component of nearly every ranking undergrad university.

[Anonymous No.9703228]

>>9703065
if you're black, you're fine, but you'll probably not even be considered if you're asian or white

[sage goes in all fields No.9703234]

[Anonymous No.9703243]

>>9703234
Only brainlets think IQ is pseudoscience lmao.

[Anonymous No.9703256]

>>9703243
Wait, what do you mean? IQ is 100% biological?

[Anonymous No.9703281]

>>9703184
>This is such bullshit. I’m an MIT undergrad
No you’re not, stop LARPing because it’s obvious you’re a fucking brainlet.
Just think about it. If a bunch of smart people answer a basic arithmetic exam perfectly, that doesn’t mean the exam was hard. It just means they’re able to do fucking arithmetic, which if anything is expected of smart people.
Going back to the SAT, it is exactly a test to find people who can be excel monkeys. So of course smart people can ace it, because it’s not designed to be extremely intellectually challenging. So it’s not impressive at all that anybody does well on it, and for a smart person I would consider a perfect score to be the bare minimum
Think before the next time you post you pathetic brainlet, use those gray cells between your ears. Oh wait...

[Anonymous No.9703293]

There needs to be some kind of mandatory IQ test to post on /sci/, because otherwise you get sub-120 posters like this:
>>9703281
SAT statistics are public knowledge, so it takes no more than a five-second Google search to prove you're spouting bullshit. Only 504 out of 1,698,521 test takers got perfect scores on the SAT in 2015.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article48166425.html

So unless you want to walk back this comment, "for a smart person I would consider a perfect score to be the bare minimum," you're claiming only 504 people out of 1.7 million are even in the range of "smart." That is pretty retarded, my dude.

[Anonymous No.9703300]

>>9703293
>you're claiming only 504 people out of 1.7 million are even in the range of "smart."
exactly

>That is pretty retarded, my dude.
t. didn’t do well on the sat
it’s okay bud not everyone can be born gifted

[Anonymous No.9703301]

>>9703281
>>9703293
You were both misinterpreting things, so maybe make out or something.

[Anonymous No.9703302]

>>9703300
>exactly

Ha! I knew you would bite the bullet and make this claim. The people who post here are so easy to goad into making themselves look silly.

[Anonymous No.9703311]

>>9703065
Why are smart people such fucking brainlets my god

[Anonymous No.9703323]

>>9703302
>Ha!

(You):
>have urge to shitpost
>click “New Thread”
>compose an absolutely abhorrent post
>click “I’m not a robot”
>click squares with pictures of cars in them because I have to do that before shitposting
>click “Next”
>click squares with pictures of bridges in them because I didn’t select all of the squares with pictures of cars in then the first time
>click Post
>click “Update” on my shitty thread every 10 minutes on a Friday night until somebody replies
>compose a horrible reply
>click “I’m not a robot”
>click “Post”
>click “Update” every 5 minutes to wait for more replies
>repeat until it’s about 3am Saturday morning

[Anonymous No.9703339]

>>9703065
Pre 1985 math sat was a good indication of iq, they changed it so now its more things you can learn and practice. Though a perfect score is still pretty unique.

[Anonymous No.9703455]

>>9703339
> they changed it so now its more things you can learn and practice.
It´s a slightly modified version of the ASVAB, and heavily reflects a test-takers G-score when the writing portion is ignored.

>Though a perfect score is still pretty unique.
Of course it is, since the scores are roughly distributed according to the bell curve. The morons in this thread, including the person pretending to study at MIT, have obviously failed to realize this.

If I remember correctly, any score above 1450 places you in the 97th percentile or higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Raw_scores,_scaled_scores,_and_percentiles

tl;dr: you can´t "study" for the SAT test, and scores above 1400 are very rare in the general population.

[Anonymous No.9703462]

>>9703455
The test is normed. That is all you got correct.
https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/sat/practice/khan-academy

[Anonymous No.9703469]

>>9703462
The "increases" (50 points, give or take a few points) received from "studying for the SAT are negligible and attributable to sheer luck and better concentration during the test-taking session.

[Anonymous No.9703474]

>>9703455
You do realize that most high schoolers don't give a shit about the SAT, right? If ALL the students cared and gave it their best, THEN you could make an argument for a correlation between score and intelligence.

[Anonymous No.9703477]

>>9703469
50 points would be about 1/4 of a standard deviation, so it would be significant. However, the actual distributional gains to studying for the SAT are much greater.

115 points was the average score increase from just 20 hours of studying on fucking Kahn Academy. Nearly 10% of students saw a 200 point, or a entire fucking standard deviation, improvement from studying. You would know this is you read the link.

And, no, just because you didn't study for the SAT does not make your test score a valid IQ indicator in the high range. The test is very straight forward math, grammar, and reading questions. Score gains are from memorizing exponent rules or learning the difference between who and whom.

The test isn't G-Loaded. Of course it correlates with IQ because nearly everything does. It is a very poor measure of upper intelligence.

[Anonymous No.9703478]

>>9703474
>If ALL the students cared and gave it their best, THEN you could make an argument for a correlation between score and intelligence.
No you couldn't.

[Anonymous No.9703483]

>>9703478
>let me respond to the fallacious argument instead of reading the post that BTFO my argument >>9703477

[Anonymous No.9703484]

>>9703477
>It is a very poor measure of upper intelligence.
It is probably a good measure of how good of an Excel Monkey you would make. In the College Board's defense, that is a large part of the 100K job market.

The ACT is the same way in case you were wondering.

[Anonymous No.9703488]

>>9703474
This assumes everyone who got a perfect score tried their hardest to get it, which is retarded. People have napped during the SAT and gotten a perfect score (see Chris Langan).

[Anonymous No.9703496]

>>9703483
Not him but you need an IQ boost like a cancer patient needs chemotherapy.

[Anonymous No.9703502]

>>9703488
No it doesn't? Do you even know what statistical correlation is? The fact that you unironically referenced Chris Langan really says something.

[Anonymous No.9703522]

>>9703496
And why do I need that?

[Anonymous No.9703607]

>>9703477
You make a good point. Same alllies to the GRE. Score improvements can come form just memorizing high school geometry and basic exponent rules.

If someone didn’t score high on the math section of the basic GRE but then studied basic fraction rules and their score improved dramatically does that not seem reasonable and realistic? People in this thread make it seem like that would be impossible to do, when literally that is exactly what people pay tutors and exam review for.

[Anonymous No.9703651]

>>9703607
The probability of someone's score increasing is small, though. No one's denying it can be done, but that doesn't make the test imperfect. Far from it..

[Anonymous No.9703659]

>>9703651
No it isn’t. It’s super easy to take the Manhattan review books, go through them and do really well on the math section.

What you’re doing is gatekeeping. The level of math you need to know on the GRE is very low. Once you understand the basic rules (which is why a lot of people do badly is because they forgotten them) you can see dramatic improvement on the exam.

For you to think that means you are probably pretty stupid yourself

[Anonymous No.9703871]

>>9703065
There is no IQ cutoff stop propagating this meme and just put in the work

[Anonymous No.9703890]

>tfw 1250/1600 SAT score but got into several top 5 and 10 universities for PhD
SAT doesn't determine anything just like GRE

[Anonymous No.9703893]

>>9703065
If you want to go to Princeton, make sure you are a woman or a nigger and you'll get in ez.

[Anonymous No.9703899]

>>9703065
Oh cool, a larp thread.

[Anonymous No.9703900]

>>9703893
Or make sure both of your parents went to Princeton and they both have individual incomes of over $250,000/yr.

[Anonymous No.9704058]

>>9703065
nothing.

i got perfect scores on these as well as like 9 subject tests and 5's on 11 AP's.

also been tutoring (this along with everything else) since i was 15.

i also went to harvard.

i'm studying for the mcat now.

not LARPing either. i'm brown so this is mid-tier for me and my family thinks i'm a failure.

[Anonymous No.9704061]

>>9704058
oh and i took the MENSA test. didn't get in. scored a 144 (needed 148) on the cattell B, and 131 (needed 132) on the culture fair. this was april 2017 though and i can retake it once which i intend to do for marketing purposes.

the surgeon i work for is a MENSA member and uses it for marketing. he also went to like 4 ivies so that also helps.

[Anonymous No.9704104]

>>9703893
shut up you cracker fuck. it's harder for asians to get in than any other race. we are the ONLY ones who do not benefit from affirmative action.

stupid ass low IQ white boy always complaining about muh aff action you're worse than niggers with your gibsmedat.

[Anonymous No.9704111]

>>9704104
What an unfortunate truth. Equal outcomes will be the nail in the coffin for academia

[Anonymous No.9704115]

>>9703065

It doesn't translate to anything, other than the fact that you were able to memorize the random shit it asks.

[Anonymous No.9704124]

>>9704061
That's absolutely insane. I scored 140 on the culture fair and got in, and my scores on the SAT and ACT (yes, I took both) weren't that great. Sounds like you had a bad testing day.

[Anonymous No.9704127]

>>9704104
Academia doesn't want Asians because it knows they grind too hard, so actual talent (what is needed for ultra high-level jobs) is harder to assess. Stop being the human equivalent of cockroaches, desu.

[Anonymous No.9704146]

>>9704058
>>9704061
Have you taken online IQ tests? Or any of the practice tests that MENSA has online to see if you qualify? If so, what did you get on them?

[Anonymous No.9704165]

>>9704127
This is the biggest cope ive ever heard jamal

[Anonymous No.9704167]

>>9703477
> Score gains are from memorizing exponent rules or learning the difference between who and whom.
There are no score gains to speak of, since applying mathematical and grammatical knowledge is done in a limited amount of time. The dim-witted answer fewer questions than the quick-witted - it´s really that simple.

>115 points was the average score increase from just 20 hours of studying on fucking Kahn Academy. Nearly 10% of students saw a 200 point, or a entire fucking standard deviation, improvement from studying.
Sure they did.
>You would know this is you read the link.
Link me the study that confirms your claims.

[Anonymous No.9704189]

>>9703607
> People in this thread make it seem like that would be impossible to do, when literally that is exactly what people pay tutors and exam review for.
People pay tutors and exam review because they are morons who fail to grasp the purpose of a "SCHOLASTIC APTITUDE TEST". The SAT is not a test of resilience, conscientiousness and memorization, but rather a thinly-veiled IQ-test (similar to the ASVAB in many ways) that weeds out the less able from intellectually demanding career paths.

>>9703659
>It’s super easy to take the Manhattan review books, go through them and do really well on the math section
That is a lie.
>The level of math you need to know on the GRE is very low. Once you understand the basic rules you can see dramatic improvement on the exam.
The level of math is of no relevance at all, you dummy. The ASVAB contains what amounts to assembling the correct stick figure after being shown a series of stick figures, in addition to basic algebra - it is the time constraint that separates the morons (who manage to answer very few questions during the allotted time) from the gifted (who manage to answer most questions during the allotted time).

>which is why a lot of people do badly is because they forgotten them
A lot of people do badly because they are mediocre or downright thick in the head, much like yourself.

[Anonymous No.9704193]

>>9703900
>250k/yr
That´s not enough to build a new wing in the university library, anon. Paying your way into a top ivy league school costs a small fortune.

[Anonymous No.9704199]

>>9704165
And yet, it is 100% true.

[Anonymous No.9704204]

>>9704193
$10 to $20 million, more precisely (this has been researched).

[Anonymous No.9704247]

>>9704124
nah, i mean SAT doesn't necessarily mean IQ.

I'm BEAST at standardized tests, and I go at them hard.

As far as IQ is concerned, I don't think mine is that high.

>>9704146
I've taken many online ones over the years. Scores are usually in the same range actually. I score 144 so fucking often, lol.

any you have in mind?

[Anonymous No.9704256]

>>9704247
This is a section from one of Mensa's former tests. I got a high score on it, but would be skeptical of doing well on an actual Mensa test if you scored as high as mine on this (since you didn't get in).

http://test.mensa.no/

[Anonymous No.9704260]

>>9704247
>>9703065
OH, I should also address some things OP is asking about.

I scored a 1400 without studying at all. I studied to get my 1600. I studied more than 30 hours for sure.

I studied Physics (and biochem) at harvard if you want to ask me any questions about that. i do research in obsevational cosmology. i am pre-med though. currently applying to med schools.

[Anonymous No.9704264]

>>9704104
The best data we have says that whites are more discriminated against than asians. Read The Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz including the data tables in the back. Not only does it look like it is harder for whites to get into college, whites at Ivy League schools academically outperform asians. Again, this is based on good data.

The twist shouldn't surprise you once you see why.

[Anonymous No.9704268]

>>9704167
The source was the College Board and Kahn Academy. It is in the link. You are dense. Your reasoning is horrible.

[Anonymous No.9704270]

>>9704247
>nah, i mean SAT doesn't necessarily mean IQ.
An intelligent person that went to an Ivy. They do exist.

[Anonymous No.9704274]

>>9704111
>>9704127
Fake News. See >>9704264

[Anonymous No.9704291]

>>9703065
There's very little correlation between IQ score and SAT score. I remember getting a bad score because the graders didn't like my essay. Doesn't matter because I start med school this August.

[Anonymous No.9704301]

>>9704291
The correlation is fairly high but the spread is immense. The SAT is answering direct academic questions in a timed environment. That is going to correlate with IQ, but the test itself is not G-Loaded, so it is a poor indicator of upper intelligence.

[Anonymous No.9704311]

>>9703065
I got a perfect score too, honestly didn't see how anyone smart could fail to.

[Anonymous No.9704321]

>>9704311
Answering easy academic questions quickly and accurately is a fairly narrow skill set.

[Anonymous No.9704326]

>>9704256
ok just took this. most of it was easy, but i couldn't get #29 and ran out of time so i had to guessed on the last three. this is what i got.

[Anonymous No.9704336]

>>9704270
i'm intelligent but i don't have a crazy high IQ.

i got into harvard because i was an overachiever.

if you wanna know my stats they're:

>SAT: 1600
>SAT Subject Tests: took 9, 750+ on all
>11 AP's, 4+ on all
>GREAT LOR's from three teachers
>won ~7 awards at debate conferences at schools like harvard, upenn, etc.
>started philosophy club at my HS
>got the school to teach AP euro for the first time
>helped teach classes from my soph year to senior

i was well-rounded. the AP's/SAT subject tests I took were Math II, Physics, Chem, Calculus, US History, English, Economics, Psych, World History

i also went to a not-so-special HS so i was a pretty big deal there. they gave me a lot of liberties. i was able to take some AP's myself without being enrolled in the class (due to schedule conflicts) because they trusted me to study myself. i really stood out.

i mean, i was a try-hard. i'm not ashamed of it.

[Anonymous No.9704347]

>>9704291
>Doesn't matter because I start med school this August.
congrats man!

i'm applying this cycle.

mind if i ask your stats?

[Anonymous No.9704355]

a-am i a b-brainlet ?

[Anonymous No.9705279]

>is my IQ high enough to do a PhD

This is stupid, anyone who can pass high school algebra can get a PhD.

[Anonymous No.9705663]

>>9703065
I'm a retard who scored 1190. Sometimes I wish I could go back and take it again, I don't see how I could do anything less than a 1500.

[Anonymous No.9705676]

The SAT has been revised a lot over the years to make it less and less about g-loaded clever solutions, it's more about how much you can conform to the dumb arbitrary 'rules'.

In the 80s or so it was quite g-loaded like the LSAT but a certain group of melanin enriched individuals weren't doing so well so it had to be made less problematic.

[Anonymous No.9705680]

>teach a kid to learn exponent rules and imaginary numbers
>teach them to parse a basic algebra word problem
>teach them the form of the 4-5 different kind of English questions
>most importantly, give them some adderall before the test

I heard about this almost exact same scenario more than once. I wish my parents forced me to try. At least IQ tests rely on abstraction.

[Anonymous No.9705682]

>>9705676
This is literally what happened, and the melanin-norming of the test is continuing to this day. Unfortunately, our enriched comrades from a certain benighted continent still score about a standard deviation lower than Whites, much to the consternation of test designers.

[Anonymous No.9705683]

>>9705676
>In the 80s or so it was quite g-loaded like the LSAT but a certain group of melanin enriched individuals weren't doing so well so it had to be made less problematic.
Blacks starting doing slightly worse on all the iterations after 94. They are less likely to study. "Unintended" consequences.

[Anonymous No.9705781]

>>9705663
i'm the harvard guy. ive been tutoring since i was 15. i'm a great tutor - the best honestly. on average i bring my students' scores up 400+ points.

that's why i don't believe anyone is stupid or a brainlet or that anypone is just a math guy or a english guy. anyone can learn anything.

if you were my student i'd guarantee you getting that 1500.

--

a little tactic i used was giving students who didn't think they were intelligent the hardest sat problems and let them solve it on their time. i wouldn't time anyone until the very end because then it becomes an endurance thing. but before all that the mos timportant thing is for the kid to be able to figure it out his or herself.

that's confidence in self-efficacy.

i also learn about my students and present things to them in ways they understand on an individual level. i got one student to learn vocab because he liked to rap and i introduced him to aesop rock and gza and we spoke of rhyme and meter.

i often tutor things that i study myself because the best way to learn is to teach.

[Anonymous No.9705786]

>>9704291
also, get back to me about your stats. i'm applying this june. i'm really set on harvard.

[Anonymous No.9705789]

>>9705781
Your tutoring skills are impressive. In South Korea, tutors make rockstar salaries. You should learn Korean and move there honestly.

[Anonymous No.9705818]

>>9705781
Well I'm 19 right now and went to a state school for physics, not my dream school. A little too late to study for the SAT. But yeah I didn't study because I had heard that the SAT because I heard it was a test you "couldn't study for", and I was lazy. Looking back now there are so many obvious patterns that can be learned.

[Anonymous No.9705949]

>>9704268
>Your reasoning is horrible.
What makes you say that, when it has become obvious that you do not understand that there exists no link between the "simple" nature of SAT/ACT math questions and ability to study for increased scores on said tests?

[Anonymous No.9705954]

>>9704291
>There's very little correlation between IQ score and SAT score. I remember getting a bad score because the graders didn't like my essay.
In other words, the verbal and math portions of the SAT correlate highly with IQ, while the writing portion does not. Med schools don´t accept idiots into their programs.

[Anonymous No.9705956]

>>9704321
Processing information at a faster rate than others is not a "narrow skill set" - it is a testament of superior capacity for abstraction, which affects life in every conceivable way.

[Anonymous No.9705958]

>>9704336
>i don't have a crazy high IQ.
>literal perfect score on the SAT, which puts you in the top 0.1 percentile of test-takers
gr8 b8

[Anonymous No.9705959]

>>9705676
>In the 80s or so it was quite g-loaded like the LSAT but a certain group of melanin enriched individuals weren't doing so well so it had to be made less problematic.
That doesn´t seem to be working out too well, considering that the achievement gap hasn´t narrow considerably.

[Anonymous No.9705965]

>>9705818
> But yeah I didn't study because I had heard that the SAT because I heard it was a test you "couldn't study for"
That´s exactly what it is, despite what the morons on /sci/ would have you believe. "Scholastic Aptitude Test" should give you a hint as to what it is designed to measure.
> Looking back now there are so many obvious patterns that can be learned.
You can´t learn to solve problems at a faster rate than your mind allows. If this would not be the case, the ASVAB, SAT,ACT, GRE, LSAT etc. would be useless predictors of problem-solving skills.

[Anonymous No.9706085]

>>9705789
haha thank you. i have a website and free videos and stuff but i don't want to post that here.

i charge $30 - $100 depending on different things.

i want to be a doctor for 15 years, move out to the midwest where i'll be making nearly double, settle down, raise a family and then go into research and being a professor.

>>9705818
>"couldn't study for", and I was lazy
man i saw that on an episode of boy meets world and thought feeny was the devil. that's such a terrible thing to tell students. anyway it doesn't matter. physics is GOAT.

>>9705958
i studied. a lot. i also got one wrong in the verbal but still got an 800.

[Anonymous No.9707079]

>mfw studied for a bit (~5 hours) and got a 1430.
IDK, im in physics and often have worries of being a brainlet who wont get far and will just end up being a mediocre physicist because I will hit a ceiling based on natural ability. IT takes me longer to understand concepts than most other students in my field. But ive never/will never stop trying my best, I just can't see myself doing anything else. My rationing also is I would rather try my best, and fail, rather than just accept mediocrity and defeat and have regrets over not trying.

[Anonymous No.9707096]

>>9703065
1500/2400 on the SAT in 2010. Barely got into college, graduated with a 3.1 in philosophy. Barely got into MA, decided to actually try at life, graduated with a 4.0. Just got offers from four t15 schools.

I'm not saying IQ doesn't matter (child prodigies certainly exist), but effort will get you much further.

[Anonymous No.9707282]

>>9705958
>ignores the central premise of the thread

[Anonymous No.9708171]

>>9704336
why the FUCK would you take 9 subject tests
literally a waste of time and money. If you were that smart you would know better

[Anonymous No.9708289]

>>9703065
Real question as a Canadian. What is Americas obsession with turning everyone into human capital? What does the SAT score offer to an admissions department that their transcript, resume, and essay doesnt?

[Anonymous No.9709048]

>>9708171
>why the FUCK would you take 9 subject tests
>literally a waste of time and money. If you were that smart you would know better

because, as i've stated before, i'm a tryhard overachiever.

in senior yr of HS, literally all of my classes were AP's except for gym.

i also have money to spare. my parents were upper middle-class, and supported the hell out of me because i was such a good student. plus, it's not like the subject tests cost more than the AP's which were even more useless considering I didn't even use the credits for my majors.

>>9707079
>IDK, im in physics and often have worries of being a brainlet who wont get far and will just end up being a mediocre physicist because I will hit a ceiling based on natural ability. IT takes me longer to understand concepts than most other students in my field. But ive never/will never stop trying my best, I just can't see myself doing anything else. My rationing also is I would rather try my best, and fail, rather than just accept mediocrity and defeat and have regrets over not trying.

If anything, you can just do experimental physics. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

>>9708289
>What is Americas obsession with turning everyone into human capital? What does the SAT score offer to an admissions department that their transcript, resume, and essay doesnt?

the purpose of a standardized score is to see where someone is at compared to everyone else. the transcript contains a GPA and grades which depend on which classes you take and what school you go to.

that's why you have to take a standardized test for graduate school admissions too - LSAT, MCAT, GMAT, GRE, etc.

it's good for people like me who excel in standardized tests but not on my transcript because in actuality i'm a terrible student who doesn't get straight A's.

>>9707096
good job and congrats. every great person worked their ass off in addition to having genius.

[Anonymous No.9709074]

>>9705781
>tfw also a tutor but my students rarely increase their scores because they refuse to study what I give them and don't do my practice problems

Any tips for tutoring SAT math?

[Anonymous No.9709075]

all users ITT should an hero

[Anonymous No.9709203]

>>9709074
>Any tips for tutoring SAT math?

plenty, but will need specific questions. in general:

- spend as much time as possible on figuring out the answer yourself
- never, ever use a calculator. ever.
- realize that the SAT will seldom ask you direct, straight-forward questions for the ending (harder) problems

here's some problems i would start a student off with, and then we'd go over our approach. this can be a starting point.

[Anonymous No.9709209]

The SAT does not even correlate with IQ

[Anonymous No.9710558]

>>9709048
As just some general analytics I can see it being useful but my understanding is schools actually care about your SAT score. I dont see anyway you can use the score without discriminating against people who came from weaker school boards to say nothing of private institutions.

[Anonymous No.9710944]

How to get a perfect score? I'm giving this test on the 5th of May (not underage).

I'm hovering around 1530 on practice tests. I know I'll do 40-50 points higher on the actual test because I was always completely unfocused on at least one section of the practice tests, but how can I get all the way up to a perfect score?

Also, any other tips you can share would be helpful. Getting a good score on this test means a lot to me.

[Anonymous No.9711283]

>>9709203
Thanks for the advice. Honestly, I don't think any of the students I have could solve any of those problems. I usually have to remediate about 90% of my students in arithmetic and basic algebra. How do you feel about problem books such as Dr.Jang's? I've been using these a lot recently and it's hit-or-miss for me; it's either too difficult for students or just about right but lacks better explanations.

[Anonymous No.9711307]

>>9709209
Except it does, very strongly.

[Anonymous No.9711328]

>>9703070 >>9703065
You 2 sound like Larpers. Why the fuck would any Ivy league sane tier person lurk on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.9712810]

>>9709048
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the purpose of a standardized score is to see where someone is at compared to everyone else. the transcript contains a GPA and grades which depend on which classes you take and what school you go to.
Here you implicitly admit that SAT tutoring is a waste of time.
>it's good for people like me who excel in standardized tests but not on my transcript because in actuality i'm a terrible student who doesn't get straight A's.
Standardized tests gauge ability more accurately than any other method usable on a large scale. In other words: you´re full of shit.

[Anonymous No.9712816]

>>9710944
> but how can I get all the way up to a perfect score?
You can´t, because the SAT is a standardized test.
>Also, any other tips you can share would be helpful.
Stop trolling. If you really did score 1530 on a practice test with good predictive power, you´d be aware of what the test measures and why you can´t study to attain perfect score.

[Anonymous No.9713802]

>>9711283
>I don't think any of the students I have could solve any of those problems
trust me, they can. just let them try it out and obviously dont' tell them they're considered 'hard' problems.

i've had stuyvesant students who are super smart get some of these wrong, and other students who have "learning disabilities" figure them out.

but the reason i posted that was to go over how you would solve them (as if you were my student) and then I would go over how I would solve them.

For instance, #6. You will realize that the perimeter is the same even if it was just a regular 12x10 box.

>>9710944
i have plenty of tricks and such. i'd first look into the types of problems you get wrong typically. you can post them here and i can take a look.

>>9711307
it really doesn't. that's why MENSA doesn't accept SAT scores anymore.

>>9711328
not any of those 'larpers' but i'm ivy league and i browse 4chan more than i browse any other website.

>>9712810
not sure i understand you. i don't get straight A's because i'm disorganized, can't keep up with the homework assignments, and lose points on attendance.

a standardized test, or exams in general, are my forte because it's simple. you simply study for it and that's it.

i've also been tutoring standardized tests for over 15 years and consistently bring the scores of my students up by a substantial amount, so SAT tutoring is definitely not a waste of time.

here's a screenshot a student of mine sent me when she got into harvard. tutoring definitely works, at least when i am your tutor.

[Anonymous No.9713809]

>>9703234
This. Sage