Japanese IQ differences

[Anonymous No.9700710]

The Buraku minority in Japan has lower IQ test scores and lower school performance than the dominant Ippan group in the Japan, even though the two groups are of the same "race."

The Buraku score about 15 points lower on IQ tests on average than the Ippan, similar to the black-white test gap in America. They also achieve lower on average in schools.

However, as immigrants to the United States, the Buraku minority and the Ippan majority do equally well on standardized tests and in IQ studies.

The more you know.

[Anonymous No.9700711]

>>9700710
>even though the two groups are of the same "race."
define "race"

[Anonymous No.9700716]

This literally proves that race is a social construct.

[Anonymous No.9700739]

>lower economic class = worse grades
whoa

[Anonymous No.9700752]

>>9700710
so its environmental, with the indicator being genetic. just like in the USA.

[Anonymous No.9700777]

>race is real
t.brainlet

[Anonymous No.9700781]

>>9700710
Immigrants aren't a random sample, as the process selects heavily for IQ.

[Anonymous No.9700787]

>>9700716
>>9700752
>>9700777
Go be trolls somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.9700822]

You ain't getting work as an immigrant in the US unless you

>learn english
>already have job skills

Two things that favor high IQ. Sorry OP if your a nig, but this doesn't prove that you can be as smart as whitey. It's the bell curve distribution in action. There are high IQ individuals in all groups, with the number of higher IQ individuals being greater in some groups than others.

[Anonymous No.9700840]

>>9700822
>work
Completely unrelated to this topic.
The buraku and ippan tested in the united states were children (2nd generation).
Given their genetic differences, the iq score and achievement differences should have persisted. Yet they did not.

[Anonymous No.9700894]

>>9700710
The Buraku and Japanese aren't different races.This would be like 85 IQ white rednecks emigrating somewhere. They would just regress to the racial mean.

[Anonymous No.9700901]

>>9700894
>The Buraku and Japanese aren't different races
Maybe you should go tell the Japanese that then.

[Anonymous No.9700903]

>>9700901
>but.. minorities aren't allowed to be racist!

[Anonymous No.9700907]

>>9700903
>babbling non sequiturs as a defense
Weren't you going to teach the Japanese about their own ethnic groups, anon?

[Anonymous No.9700909]

>>9700907
lmao what, I need to know how you interpreted that post because I'm really confused by this response

[Anonymous No.9700944]

>>9700840
The children being second generation makes no difference. Intelligence is a hereditary trait. The children inherited their intelligence from their parents, who were smart enough to be eligible for immigration. It is fully related to the topic.

Post your evidence to support your claims. You have yet to post a source of these two Japanese sub groups harmonizing their test scores in the US. Even if you did, you can't disprove the notion that the genetic differences between these groups were negilgible enough to allow equal education to make a difference, but that it is not the case between other, more distantly related groups of people. Ergo, the significantly different test scores between black and white students educated at the same schools, regardless of the affluence of their families.

[Anonymous No.9700958]

Selective pressure, it's the same reason Africans who get into the US on academic visas have high IQ but the average African in Africa is literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.9700959]

>>9700710
You are a troll falseflagging as a nigger

[Anonymous No.9700970]

>>9700901
Wut. That's like saying northern and southern Italians are different races because they have mildly different features and a 10-point IQ gap.

[Anonymous No.9701035]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-epsNhsTg
>asians have a high spatial IQ!
>not a single asian figured out the camera setup

[Anonymous No.9701038]

>>9700710
>However, as immigrants to the United States, the Buraku minority and the Ippan majority do equally well on standardized tests and in IQ studies.
There is no "however". There is no way that the US immigrants are a random sample so the comparison is idiotic.

[Anonymous No.9701236]

>>9700958
>that guy from africa in my department whos absolutely retarded and barely speaks any human language

[Anonymous No.9701270]

>>9700710
>Buraku minority
No one claims the major racial classifications capture all of the details of human variation. It's very clear that two inbreeding populations can develop very different average IQs even if they have very similar racial heritage. When they're in the same country they can be called castes. High IQ in a population can probably evolve quite rapidly under the right selection pressures - a few thousand years. So can low IQ. If you're locked into a caste whose only employment opportunity is shifting nightsoil onto the fields you're not going to enjoy the same rise in IQ that the priestly caste do.
For some ethnic minorities they can enter a downward spiral - Romani gypsies are probably in such a spiral, smart gypsies cab leave the culture and blend in with the general population leaving behind those who can't make the transition.

[Anonymous No.9701283]

>>9700710
Are the tests conducted in the same way? Are the results directly comparable?

[Anonymous No.9701304]

>>9700901
Burakujin are a caste who handle dirty job like dealing with dead such as mortuary, gravedigger, or butcher. Pretty much like in India. They are not an entirely different ethnic like Jomon, Ainu and Hayato. Even Nip know this. Go check wiki before you spouting bullshit.

[Anonymous No.9701307]

>>9700894
>regressing to the racial mean in 1 generation

[Anonymous No.9701320]

>>9700822
>this doesn't prove that you can be as smart as whitey
It does though, as part of a subset of his race.

[Anonymous No.9701332]

>>9701283
No, as mentioned by several posters in the thread.
>>9700822
>>9701038

[Anonymous No.9701335]

>>9701320
Him drafting this moronic thread is proof enough of him not belonging to the smarter subset of his race.

[Anonymous No.9701343]

>>9701335
Then you have an overly optimistic idea of what constitutes above average intelligence for nigs and average intelligence for whitey.

[Anonymous No.9701356]

>>9700710
Everyone is born with a certain IQ and it's inherited, but it can vary at a percentage of 10%, according to the environment, it's either +10% in IQ or -10% in IQ

[Anonymous No.9701388]

>>9701320
the idea here is that if they had comparable results in a test then you go o evaluate the number of individuals taken in exam. You will not have a random sample, as it is pre-screened by being US Immigrants, but you can use it all the same to approximate the average fraction of Buraku to Ippan with the same IQ. If the number of Buraku in the "sample" to the total is equal to that of Buraku's in Japan to total japanese population, then yes, it may be a social effect
Otherwise, chances are it will reflect the ratio of Buraku and Ippan at the intersection of measured IQ, confirming that they do have lower IQ, so their fraction is lower than in the population at large because you are taking a smaller population of Buraku that are at the extreme of their curve

[Anonymous No.9701418]

>>9701304
Wait, does that mean IQ differences can be explained by environmental and socioeconomic factors like caste?

[Anonymous No.9701464]

Despite other anons denying the difference in the thread I believe the IQ gap Op posted in the Japanese population is probably true. This is because the same event has also occurred in the Chinese and Russian populations.

Han Chinese have IQ average of 105, while the Kyrgyz have 85 and the Uyghur have 86. Meanwhile in Russia the Tungus have an IQ range of 70-80 and the Altai 67-75 which is much lower than the arguably 95-104 range given the russian majority.

All four of these populations are asian ethnic groups two from the West (Kyrgz and Uyghur) and two from the North East (Tungus and Altai). All with IQs much lower than the majority. Yet /sci/ rarely talks about them. I'm not surprised honestly because there seems to be a particular agenda going on than an actual understanding of IQ for all human populations throughout the world.

[Anonymous No.9701469]

>>9701418
It's more the fact that caste systems exacerbate the gap, not that the caste is directly responsible for the gap in itself

[Anonymous No.9701483]

>>9701418
Caste systems arise from the inequal distribution of IQ. You´re confusing the chicken with the egg.

[Anonymous No.9701497]

>>9701483

Back to /pol/ you go.

[Anonymous No.9701507]

>>9701483
That's far fetched. It is possible that such gap simply didn't exist and it widened as the caste system took place, or the gap may have been there and it was just widened over time by the presence of a cast system, but at the same time it could be the cause of the caste system all the same.
It can't be said for sure, but it can be said that it's really unlikely that the two are completely disconnected from one another and do not have any kind of relation.

[Anonymous No.9701518]

>>9701464
yes the agenda is to prove the cause of white nationalism.

there is very little nonpolitical science any more

[Anonymous No.9701832]

>http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2811%2901267-X

>The posterior hippocampi of average-IQ adult subjects who passed the difficult Knowledge exam for London taxicab drivers showed significant enlargement as opposed to before they began studying for it. (The posterior hippocampus is associated with memory and spatial navigation, both of which are strongly correlated with g.)

>Similar effects not observed in the control group or in those who failed. Pic related.

>This was actually a repeat experiment with a larger sample size, i.e. the results are reproducible. And because all subjects are grown adults, normal brain development does not confound the study's results.

>We therefore have physically-observable, reproducible evidence that the brain PHYSICALLY restructures itself in response to focused training.
Intelligence (which is a manifestation of the brain's organization) is malleable. You become smart by doing math and science, not the other way around. You can physically alter you ability to grok proofs, perform experiments, recognize patterns, and write papers.

IQ BTFO

[Anonymous No.9701988]

>>9701832
Would be easy enough to test by measuring their g-score before and after (and then again after 5 years or so). As yet no intervention has been discovered that permanently raises your IQ, and this would be the holy grail for education.

[Anonymous No.9702185]

>>9701497
Truth hurts

[Anonymous No.9702279]

>>9701307
That's not what regression to the mean means.

[Anonymous No.9702285]

>>9700944
Who the fuck made that image it's a total mess.

[Anonymous No.9702360]

>>9700739
Now why on earth would you write a formula that people have to read from right to left?

[Anonymous No.9702372]

>>9701832
This nigger again.

>>9700710
Indian castes also have very different average IQs. I don't see any reason why different endogamous groups would not have their average IQs diverge over centuries, even if they started from the same original population.

Kind of the same thing that happened to ashkenazi jews, but in reverse.

[Anonymous No.9702443]

>>9702360
>sci board
>equivalence is directional

[Anonymous No.9702751]

>>9702372
China's ruling class likely does as well. China used to have state run eugenics and is starting to again.

[Anonymous No.9702780]

>>9701832
>grok

Homersimpsonvomiting.jpg

[Anonymous No.9702888]

>>9702372
>This nigger again.
That wasn't me actually -- I definitely would have included the image since you need pretty pictures to convince illiterate /pol/tards.
Of course, if you'd like, I can blow the everliving fuck out of you. Again.

[Anonymous No.9703040]

>>9701832
>grok

You need to leave /sci/.

[Anonymous No.9703045]

>>9701832
Even if this were true, which is doubtful, what does it change? You still have to compete with people who also do those things in addition to having enormous genetic potential, so you're back to square one.

[Anonymous No.9703390]

>>9700970
>That's like saying northern and southern Italians are different races
They stright up are. When I was in Italy for vacation I was shocked by the difference in facial structure and general cognitive ability. Southern Italians smelled absolutely awful, didn't understand instructions even when repeated, and just aways had a dumb look on their face. The fact that any run of the mill genetic study is able too separate the two easily is unsuprising.

[Anonymous No.9703661]

>>9703390
I refuse to believe that pic is real. Whites did not kill that many people.

[Anonymous No.9704961]

>>9700716
That's quite a leap. It more likely demonstrates that discrimination, opportunity and perceived opportunity, etc., can dramatically affect performance. It isn't as black-and-white (no pun intended) as race is either social or biological. Both spheres exist.