/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9691206]

Why is CS either considered really good or really bad on this site?

[Anonymous No.9691212]

too hundred dowsend starding!!

[Anonymous No.9691215]

Some people here are upset that they couldn't do computer science. In order to get a good CS job you need to learn much more than a college is willing to teach you which is what they don't know and they are upset about it.

[Anonymous No.9691218]

>>9691206
because /sci/ compares cs undergrad code monkeys to grad level physics

[Anonymous No.9691227]

>>9691206
Computer science classes are full of webdev types
Most courses are geared towards employability
Actual CS is top tier but not isnt found in undergraduate courses

[Anonymous No.9691232]

Philosophy should be god-tier. Any job I want through networking at an undisclosed amount.

[Anonymous No.9691240]

>>9691206
>Medicine
>Neuroscience
>not God tier

kek

[Anonymous No.9691254]

>>9691227
>Most courses are geared towards employability
>Actual CS is top tier but not isnt found in undergraduate courses

my uni has or had some fairly good undergrad CS courses. the problem is once you mix in the software engineering courses, gened fluff, and potentially unrelated electives, the number of courses you end up taking that are actually interesting/useful/memorable can be counted on one hand. you could actually create a pretty effective program for yourself with careful choices rather than simply taking whatever your undergrad advisor tells you to, although you'd still get bogged down with gened courses and you'd need some luck too, since there's only a limited selection of courses every semester.

[Anonymous No.9691261]

No, it's just one homeless guy spamming. This wave's already dying out as we speak.

[Anonymous No.9691273]

>>9691254
cont.

it's funny. i do remember someone on /sci/ complaining that american students are ill-prepared for grad school. no wonder when 80% of your undergrad work is useless fluff that's "geared towards employability". what does it say when your university doesn't even eat it's own dogfood?

[Anonymous No.9691282]

and if i complain that globe trotting bourgeois dominate the grad programs, i'm a horrible racist. wonderful. truly a fair and just system we have here.

[Anonymous No.9691299]

>>9691206
Seems like a conflict of interests to me.
I treat programming as a form of applied mathematics that's usually more practical.
I'm not going to spend an entire fucking day to solve a math problem analytically that I could approximate the answer to the degree I need in 10 minutes of coding.
Then for more concrete answers lambda calculus is incredibly useful.

Though, I did study mathematics before computer science...

[Anonymous No.9691311]

>>9691232
You're right, Philosophy is along with Mathematics and Physics the only real science on the list.

[Anonymous No.9691312]

>>9691254
>>9691273
>>9691282

when you high-and-mighty SJWs get on my case for this, it's just the icing on the cake.

[Anonymous No.9691313]

>>9691240
Medicine God Tier

But MSc in Neuroscience (Psychology + Biology) is Mid Tier

[Anonymous No.9691320]

>>9691206
"Teacher" isn't a Major

PhD in Math or Physics are Top/God however.

High School Teachers with BSc in Math or Physics are Low/Shit Tier

[Anonymous No.9691333]

>>9691313
The worst part about the psych bios is they walk around with a hard cock 24/7 because they're constantly told by all their friends and family
>wow neuroscience
>that sounds so impressive
>you must be so smart
>you're gonna be a brain surgeon
And then they go and take child psych and ecology lmao

[Anonymous No.9691336]

>>9691254
> you could actually create a pretty effective program for yourself with careful choices rather than simply taking whatever your undergrad advisor tells you to

At my uni that *was* the advise the lecturers told the students. They explicitly said "We're not going to teach you how to program, to learn to program you're going to have to make your own programs."
Their only real advice was pointing out places in your code that were obvious hacks and to make more careful design decisions.

[Anonymous No.9691351]

>>9691336

i'm talking about course planning/enrollment, not a program as in code.

[Anonymous No.9691362]

>>9691312

oh well, they'll learn. i hope their kids turn out autistic and marginalized too. it's a 1-in-60 shot these days.

[Anonymous No.9691397]

>>9691282
wdhmbt?

[Anonymous No.9691405]

>>9691336
>>9691351

T. > the reading comprehension and intelligence of your average CS major

[Anonymous No.9691406]

>>9691397

did you spill some coffee on your keyboard or something?

[Anonymous No.9691476]

>>9691333
This. Neuro is for Brainlets.

Many Neuro majors take just Brainlet Tier Child Psychology & Ecology

Normies have no clue, mistaking it with Neurosurgery

[Anonymous No.9691480]

>>9691240
Laurea in Medicine then specialization and PhD in neuroscience

[Anonymous No.9691496]

>>9691313
Why the fuck would medicine be top tier, let alone god tier. You literally need zero intellectual capability, just the ability to learn a lot of stuff. But yeah you 'save people', just like pilots not crashing a plane. It's the same fucking thing, both tradesmen.

[Anonymous No.9691506]

>>9691397

inadequate undergraduate programs and "politically correct" social obligations are conditions that sharply disfavor american students in american STEM graduate programs.

[Anonymous No.9691509]

>>9691506
cont.

and i think even the most PC SJW would have a hard time refuting this.

[Anonymous No.9691517]

>>9691496
To get into Medical School you need to be in the Top of the Class in College among Millions of pre-Med students (mostly Chemfags and Biofags)

Be the best in Chemistry task isn't an easy task.

Medics don't need that much intelligence while working in the hospital though.

Surgery requires hand dexterity but not so much intelligence

Medical diagnoses should be automated, WebMD + few exams would be enough.

[Anonymous No.9691523]

>>9691496
Medicine is Supreme God Tier if you consider the Pay, Prestige and Job market.

[Anonymous No.9691528]

>>9691523
no, then its compsci

[Anonymous No.9691546]

>>9691528
But Medicine pay at least 3 times more than CompSci

[Anonymous No.9691551]

What's wrong with mechanical or civil engineering?

[Anonymous No.9691553]

>>9691551
It's a bait chart

[Anonymous No.9691558]

>>9691496
Physicist pay is shit when compared to medical Doctors.

The only Physicist I know that earn more than a Medical Doctor is Elon Musk.

But Ironically Elon Musk is hated on /sci/. Is it Envy?

[Anonymous No.9691567]

>>9691509

further, private interests have far too much influence in higher education. most of these changes are driven by industry demand, and disguised by a veneer of "social justice" and other vague, loosely-defined objectives.

[Anonymous No.9691573]

>>9691558
pretty much, he outright said engineers are more important than physicucks.

Based Mars maraca man telling it like it is.

[Anonymous No.9691587]

>>9691567

and this seems to be a recurring theme in the 21st century. slow, gradual privatization and the neglect of domestic public interest.

[Anonymous No.9691598]

>>9691587
>the neglect of domestic public interest.

ironically, disguised as a mission of social justice. can anyone else even appreciate this sad irony?

[Anonymous No.9691604]

>>9691573
>he outright said engineers are more important than physicucks.
I got you covered senpai

https://youtu.be/aG_nrfTsITY
> Interviewer: who is better a scientist or an engineer? who wins?
> Elon Musk: Engineer

[Anonymous No.9691609]

>>9691206
Only cslets think it's good.

[Anonymous No.9691614]

i'm feeling more lucid today than usual, so i really should be studying. but christ, you people just don't seem to get it. maybe my posts are selectively hidden.

[Anonymous No.9691670]

>>9691587

and in light of this, it's no surprise that american politics and political discussion have turned into a complete farce, and real social justice has fallen completely by the wayside.

[Anonymous No.9691673]

>>9691567
Why so many colleges push Queer / Gender studies 101 for all students to take?

[Anonymous No.9691680]

it's a cruel fate for the descendants of a people who struck out across the ocean and into the wilderness to build something of their own. comparing our founders and immigrants of times gone by to today's average immigrant or visa holder is an enormous insult.

[Anonymous No.9691684]

>>9691609
this picture has to be a joke, I did that problem in my intro to programming class

[Anonymous No.9691688]

>>9691684
its just a retarded meme for programminglets to laugh at and prevent them from crying over their mcdonalds job because noone will hire somebody with a physics degree

[Anonymous No.9691718]

>>9691673

generally, you don't. but you do have to take a good number of courses that you will not remember or need to remember. it's a waste.

[Anonymous No.9691719]

>>9691506
how does political correctness make American stem students worse? are you just talking about the affirmative action kiddies or what?

[Anonymous No.9691737]

>>9691206

[Anonymous No.9691740]

Computer scientists are to construction workers where hard scientists are like architects.

[Anonymous No.9691750]

>>9691719
>how does political correctness make American stem students worse?

it's not affirmative action, that's a different topic. political correctness is unfavorable because it encourages americans to actively avoid racial bias. this unwritten social obligation is only felt by americans. of course, this social norm would be much less obvious to a foreigner, and certainly not fashionable etiquette in their own circles. so they make biased decisions: hiring, admissions, etc. these are, of course, pragmatic decisions. there's probably no "hate" behind them, it's just the obvious thing for them to do, because they aren't as warped as we are.

[Anonymous No.9691778]

>>9691750
cont.

and this is a clear sign that we're in trouble. what's common sense to everyone else on the planet is a major taboo for us. it's no wonder they think we're rich idiots.

[Anonymous No.9691781]

>>9691206
Medicine is only god-tier if you're MD/PhD. Glad to see chemistry is up there, though. Somebody's looking out for us lab wizards.

[Anonymous No.9691793]

>>9691750
>encourages Americans to actively avoid racial bias
I see no problem with this.
>Foreigners make biased decisions.
So we should be like them and be biased?
>there's probably no "hate" behind them
You don't need hate to have a racial bias problem.

>>9691778
>cont.
you really didn't need to continue
>what's common sense to everyone else on the planet is a major taboo for us
So we should be assholes like everyone else.

There are plenty of "common sense" Ideas attitudes and practices that are a drain on the health and welfare of society.

Your entire two post is like an appeal to authority but where the authority is just something you made up about other countries.

[Anonymous No.9691796]

where do you go to learn how code then?
If univ sucks at teaching it?

[Anonymous No.9691801]

>>9691778
cont.

so try and guess what happens when we have a generous visa program, low in-group preference, inadequate undegraduate programs that serve private interests, and are vastly outnumbed globally.

we. get. displaced. understand?

[Anonymous No.9691806]

>>9691793
>So we should be like them and be biased?

what's going to happen if we don't?

[Anonymous No.9691809]

>>9691806
We get the smartest people to do the job.

[Anonymous No.9691821]

>>9691809

this only works if they are also unbiased. and let private colleges "get the smartest people for the job" or the smartest students. public/state colleges are for us. it's something WE fund with OUR tax money so that WE (the local public) can educate ourselves. why are we obligated to get "the best person for the job" or admit the smartest people we can find around the globe? that's not the point of public education.

[Anonymous No.9691835]

>>9691821
You realize I went to public college and payed tuition to get a degree right? Public and state colleges are for people who want to go to college and have the money to do so. You can get assistance but that assistance is not available to nonresidents.

[Anonymous No.9691840]

>>9691673
$$$ for the university, you should know at this point it's nothing more than a stamp collecting institution. Just get a bachelor's in engineering/cs (because that's all you need for those professions), and you'll never have to look back.

[Anonymous No.9691846]

>>9691835
>Public and state colleges are for people who want to go to college and have the money to do so.

no, they are FOR THE PUBLIC. they're supposed to be low-tuition and partly state (tax) funded. let foreigners in our private universities. if they can even push us out of our public institutions, we have nowhere to go. there are way more of them than there are of us, and they have their own colleges they can go to. our public schools are the only academic institutions that we have left.

[Anonymous No.9691867]

>>9691240
/sci/ hates medicine lol

[Anonymous No.9691869]

>>9691846
You pay the least out of anyone to go to college in your state. If you don't like that that number isn't zero then complain to the people who most likely cut funding to colleges so that they could spend your taxes elsewhere they decided your tax dollars were better spend on something else and so you can't have free education and instead get it at a greatly reduced price.

The colleges are not responsible for the tax dollars they aren't given. If they have to raise tuition to stay afloat they will and your complaints will fall on deaf ears.

[Anonymous No.9691883]

>>9691869
>The colleges are not responsible for the tax dollars they aren't given. If they have to raise tuition to stay afloat they will and your complaints will fall on deaf ears.


don't hand me that line of bullshit. these colleges are 100% onboard with the industry-driven mission creep.

> "we're a global university"

no you're not, assholes. you're a public college that's been corrupted by private interests.

[Anonymous No.9691887]

>>9691206
>Mech isn't above Civil
Doublewut?

[Anonymous No.9691889]

>>9691883
not everyone goes to an amerifat uni, anon
>tfw your whole bachelor will cost less than 2k
feelsgoodman.jpeg

[Anonymous No.9691892]

>>9691883
There's no such thing as free lunch.

[Anonymous No.9691897]

>>9691206
lol did art school and now I'm a billionaire and don't have to do jack in my life lel

[Anonymous No.9691899]

>>9691892

no, there isn't. but we can have public institutions and build things for ourselves. i'm not asking for a free lunch or free tuition. i'm asking for public institutions to serve the interests of the western public. you think i have any control whatsoever over the state budget? don't imply this is somehow our fault. it's the fault of conniving politicians and private industry.

[Anonymous No.9691905]

>>9691899
>you think i have any control whatsoever over the state budget?
Literally write your congressman. Or state rep.

[Anonymous No.9691907]

>>9691892

exactly, thanks to the corporate world, muh space program and stupid cunts like you

[Anonymous No.9691912]

>>9691907
There has literally never been a time in the entirety of history where such a thing as a free lunch has existed. This is not a new phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.9691915]

>>9691905

and tell him what? to increasing funding for state universities? even if they do re-allocate millions of dollars just because i asked them so nicely, this still isn't going to solve the conflict of interest.

[Anonymous No.9691916]

>>9691915
To complain and do nothing about the problem is to be a traitor to your own cause.

[Anonymous No.9691919]

>>9691916

so what do you suggest i do?

[Anonymous No.9691922]

>>9691919
Voice your thoughts to the people who decide things.
Run for office.
Join a group of like minded people and march outside the state house.
Send messages to your rep on twitter.

LITERALLY
ANYTHING
THAT
ISN'T
COMPLAINING
TO
ME
ABOUT
YOUR
WOES.

[Anonymous No.9691957]

>>9691781
meh, most of the MD/PhD only did some database work, not contributing to 'real' science

[Anonymous No.9691959]

>>9691796
>what is autodidact

[Anonymous No.9691988]

>>9691922

i'm not complaining to you specifically, whoever you may be. i don't have the privilege of knowing who i'm talking to on 4chan.

in any case, the solution needs to be be bottom-up. politics aren't about serving the public anymore. appealing to a politician as nothing more than a concerned citizen is about as useful as appealing to a brick wall.

[Anonymous No.9692006]

>>9691988
>the solution needs to be be bottom-up
You are the fucking bottom here. You are literally calling yourself the solution. If you do nothing it sure as hell isn't going to change. Get off your lazy ass and advocate for yourself. Politics is only a failure of a system because people like you don't get involved.

[Anonymous No.9692014]

>>9692006

i'm not the only one who notices this trend, perhaps i'm just ahead of the curve. i'd rather let more people catch up first instead of telegraph their potential moves to data collectors. political activism is basically pointless if you're just an individual.

[Anonymous No.9692025]

>>9692014
>political activism is basically pointless if you're just an individual
You realize that the only way to make a group is to take individuals and put them together right?
1+1+1+1+1+1.....

[Anonymous No.9692037]

>>9692025
>You realize that the only way to make a group is to take individuals and put them together right?

impossible when your efforts will just be sabotaged by cointel tactics and used against future efforts. but they can only screw everyone over for so long before more than a few people take notice.

[Anonymous No.9692069]

>>9692037
>oh I forgot to mention I am also a conspiracy theorist
Well off to >>>/x/ with you then.

[Anonymous No.9692091]

>>9692069

people are dumb but they're not so dumb that they won't figure out your bullshit. i'm not going to give you an accurate idea of how they'll behave when they do. in fact, i'm going to do nothing about it aside from tell you straight that i don't like it and neither will everyone else.

[Anonymous No.9692112]

>>9691206
What about informatics engineering?

[Anonymous No.9692124]

>economics not god tier
gotta be bait

[Anonymous No.9692127]

>>9691206
Because most of the users are children and their only contribution to science is (and will be) categorizing fields by ridiculous labels like "god tier", "not-so-god-tier" or "this is science" and "this is not science".
Because they are still in the process of growth, psychologically they still need to see themselfs as members of some sharp defined social group like "we - the phycicians" and "them - the biologists" etc and give those groups "ratings". But eventually, some of them will become adults and start loving true, anti-dogmatic science as a whole.

[Anonymous No.9692764]

>>9691206
Its easy thats why, I'm pretty stupid and I'm passing my cs courses. I know I couldn't cut it in pre med or engineering, so I chose computer science

[Anonymous No.9692777]

>>9691206
Because it's both really good AND really bad

>Really bad
If you're a brainlet, it will end up really bad. You'll have trouble finding work because the type of work you're capable of doing is already being heavily outsourced to India

>Really good
>If you're smart, it will end up great. You'll have absolutely no trouble finding work even before you graduate. You'll be able to find multiple internships which pay a lot of money (often making 15k-25k for a single summer of intern work, with fun normie intern events to boot).

After you graduate you'll be making at least 6 figures at a very comfy job with a good work life balance, likely in a great location or the location of your choosing. It's biased towards high population areas but this is changing as well, but it's biased for now. But that's not a big deal. You can work in Silicon Valley, NYC, Seattle, Austin, and many other areas too with smaller companies

I personally love CS at the deeper mathematical and computer architecture, therefore I was successful at it

The only thing it won't do is cure your virgin autism though, but at least you'll be a rich virgin autist

[Anonymous No.9693194]

>>9691206
>chemistry god tier but geology low tier
>astronomy = to economics = biology
>music and history shit tier
>engineering of any variety in god tier

jesus christ anon

[Anonymous No.9693197]

>>9691867
Yeah because its just the people who couldnt make it as any variety of biologist.

[Anonymous No.9693201]

>>9691206
physics is waste of life tier, History is god-tier

[Anonymous No.9693202]

>>9691912
I dont pay income tax but am entitled to healthcare because I live in Canada, checkmate atheist.

[Anonymous No.9693207]

>>9692127
>psychologically they still need to see themselfs as members of some sharp defined social group
That applies to all humans regardless of age or "growth" level.

[Anonymous No.9693515]

Where is Finance?

[Anonymous No.9693564]

>>9691232
I unironically agree. Mathematics, Physics and Philosophy should be God-tier.

[Anonymous No.9693565]

>>9693202
being an illegal doesn't count

[Anonymous No.9693578]

>>9693201

[Anonymous No.9693623]

>>9691476
Neurobiology isn't. Neuroscience is.

[Anonymous No.9693710]

>>9693201
Ed Witten thought otherwise.

[Anonymous No.9693780]

>>9691892
>>9691907
>>9691912
>>9693202

i really hate this meme.

> are they complaining about some conflict of interest, corruption, or nonsensical policy decision? if they're left-wing, call them a communist. if they're right wing, call them a nazi.

must be on whatever flowchart they hand out to you braindead jerks when you sign up

[Anonymous No.9693784]

"but, but, but, i never said nazi or communist!!!"

it's implied. every time someone complains about the status quo, they're either a crazy extremist or their expectations are made to seem unrealistic when often they're just asking for a fair treatment.

[Anonymous No.9693939]

>>9693197
Nice meme. Becoming a doctor in a highly competitive specialty is much more difficult than getting a PhD in biology.

A doctor could become a biologist, given the time. I seriously doubt most PhDs could become skilled neurosurgeons given all the time in the world. There’s a reason they became biologists.

[Anonymous No.9693999]

What major should I do or school should I go to if I want to learn actual computer science without software engineering, IT or other fluff?

[Anonymous No.9694033]

>>9693999
Computer Engineering.

[Anonymous No.9694041]

>>9694033
Isn't computer engineering majority hardware work though?
Like studying circuit boards n EE?

[Anonymous No.9694048]

>>9693194
You're right, economics should be higher

[Anonymous No.9694100]

>>9691793
America's version of "no bias" is becoming "in order to not bias, we have to punish white people and elevate non-white people."
Case in point, my whole uni got an email out of the blue about how they were going to take every possible action they could against some (white) students for "singing along to rap songs" in their dorms because it was totally unacceptable. Meanwhile, there wasn't even an email when an "underprivileged youth" student carjacked someone at gunpoint from the parking lot.

[Anonymous No.9694114]

Trying to think of a world leader who studied math, physics, chemistry or engineering.

I can list dozens of world leaders who studied history.

[Anonymous No.9694118]

>>9694041
Not really, you have to understand the software behind it too. You take classes on OS, Compilers, Architecture and Organization.

[Anonymous No.9694129]

>>9693197
I think it's the other way around buddy.

[Anonymous No.9694132]

>>9694114
Merkel

[Anonymous No.9694133]

>>9694100
>America's version of "no bias" is becoming "in order to not bias, we have to punish white people and elevate non-white people."

no, the problem is that public universities have strayed from their objective. they are supposed to provide a low-cost education for local residents who either can't afford or can't get admitted to a private college and to foster a local academic community. they are not beholden to educate well-off foreigners. that's entirely contrary to their purpose.

[Anonymous No.9694134]

>>9694114
Like 90 percent study law or economics though

[Anonymous No.9694135]

>>9694114
Except for all the CEO's who have engineering degrees you irredeemable retard.

[Anonymous No.9694136]

>>9694114
No shit. Who's going to spend time studying STEM to then turn around and try to make it big in the political world? (Except Merkel, that bitty)

[Anonymous No.9694159]

>>9694133

and suggesting that it's a matter of "social justice" is absolutely appalling.

[Anonymous No.9694166]

>>9694136
>peanut farmers make better presidents than STEM majors

Will STEM ever recover? STEM's claim to the Oval Office is one of the worst presidents in history, Herbert Hoover.

[Anonymous No.9694172]

how utterly evil do you have to be to exploit our peoples sense of altruism?

[Anonymous No.9694245]

>>9691227
pic related is 90% cs undergrads

[Anonymous No.9694251]

>>9691206
How are civil/mech inferior to the rest of engineerings? Because no electricity? I think the only inferior one is "industrial Engineering" meme

[Anonymous No.9694256]

>>9691240
Be thankfull they arent mid tier, pleb. Pharma is top tier, though.

[Anonymous No.9694258]

>>9691313
>Medicine God Tier
HHAHAHA you have never met a young woman """"""doctor""""""". They know nothing about medicine or biology. Only 60yo+ men do.

[Anonymous No.9694281]

>>9691604
>you should see how physics slowed down in the form of a collider, so just wait for a bloody collider

holy shit he's a troglodyte how tf did he finish his Physics BSc.

[Anonymous No.9694341]

>>9694281
pretty sure that "troglodyte" knows more about technology then you.

[Anonymous No.9694345]

>>9694281
undergrad is a meme

[Anonymous No.9694712]

>>9693939
Depends on if you rank rote memorization higher than original thought, personally I dont and therefore biology is the field with the greater academic "purity".

[Anonymous No.9694715]

>>9693780
You identify its a meme but then continue to take it seriously.

[Anonymous No.9694724]

>>9694715

of course i take it seriously. it's a serious matter.

[Anonymous No.9694739]

>>9694341
Why the fuck would elon know dick all about technology? His attraction is a combination of charisma, vision, and intelligence - he isnt a scientist or technologist by any stretch of the imagination. Appreciate him for what he is not the tony stark analogy you want him to be. Doesnt matter though since your chosen form of argument almost certainly makes you an idiot.

[Anonymous No.9694750]

>>9694114
Assad is a computer nerd and a certificate eye doctor.

[Anonymous No.9694780]

>>9694256
AHAH GR8 JOB

[Anonymous No.9694950]

>>9694134
>Like 90 percent study law or economics though

more like 90% study law, there are very few economists that go into politics beyond advisory roles

[Anonymous No.9696055]

>>9691206
>Economics above business
>theology in mid tier
>philosophy in mid tier

[Anonymous No.9696109]

>>9694739
Well, he's more reputable than anyone on this site.

[Anonymous No.9696177]

>>9696055
>business degrees worth anything
>disliking philosophy/theology because NGT said so

>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.9696223]

>>9696177
You majored in philosophy, didn't you squidward?

[Anonymous No.9696258]

>tfw my job exists because engineers are socially incompetent and I'm their team leader because I can speak engineer and normie

you know, for god tier they're pretty big fuck ups

[Anonymous No.9696265]

>>9696109
no he isn’t

[Anonymous No.9696271]

>>9696223
math actually

[Anonymous No.9696520]

>>9691397
chinks

[Anonymous No.9696538]

>>9691206
Does the color-coding mean anything?

[Anonymous No.9696728]

>>9691240
Medicine is really a spectrum though. I'm in med school right now, and believe me there are some brainlets here who will be forced to go into family practice and wagecuck their lives away for 150k tops working 40+ hours per week while specialists make twice that and work less.

[Anonymous No.9696761]

>>9691897
no one's talking about money retard

[Anonymous No.9696820]

>>9691206
CS is basically math++, i.e. a CS graduate is considered elite, capable of mastering in 1 year what math graduates do in 2 years. Deal with it!

World's elite universities will tell you right away that as their CS student you are considered the best group they have and that math students go slower than you are, and increase your load to crazy levels As a CS student, you are expected to master (continuous) calculus, discrete calculus (discrete math proofs, hypercubes for parallel algorithms), optimization (machine/deep learning, compilers), category theory (functional programming), logic (up to automated proofs, i.e. including set theory), differential equations, topology (computational geometry, distributed algorithms), probability and statistics (reinforcement learning, queueing), number theory (cryptology), graph theory (almost everywhere)... There is no functional analysis needed yet, but it's heavily used for PhD degrees anyway. You need to know all this down to the level of proving theorems if you want to achieve anything in CS.

[Anonymous No.9696852]

>>9691227
The course in pic related (Sipser's theory of computation) is taught for 2nd year students at most CS universities. At least at mine (University of Washington Seattle), we took the course in 2nd year (sophomore) and covered the full book + IP and randomized algorithms and also the PCP theorem.

Are you really studying computer science if you didn't cover this?

[Anonymous No.9696862]

>>9696820
shut the fuck up big boy

[Anonymous No.9696896]

>>9696852

i had to read sipser front to back, but otoh i met a cs student from another college who didn't even know big O notation.

[Anonymous No.9697098]

>>9696896
yeah sadly most colleges now in Canada and Europe just let you get away now with webdev "electives" instead of math/computer science. This is kinda true in America too, but mostly happens in "software engineering/IT" majors, not so much CS (at least at the top 40 reputable ones I'd assume).

[Anonymous No.9697101]

>>9697098
You've got that backwards. It's school in America that are all terrible. Some European and Canadian schools manage to be good.

[Anonymous No.9697106]

>>9697101
uhhhhhh maybe parts of europe (like really good schools in the uk/germany), definitely not canada lol

[Anonymous No.9697514]

>>9691333
Literally me.

[Anonymous No.9697582]

>>9691206
>God tier
Anything that will get your reliable work outside of academia that pays more than if you had gotten a trade
>Shit tier
Anything else

[Anonymous No.9697588]

>>9697582
so
>God tier
CS
>shit tier
literally every other stem

[Anonymous No.9697626]

>>9696820
>a CS graduate is considered elite, capable of mastering in 1 year what math graduates do in 2 years.

[Anonymous No.9697643]

>>9691227
My exam on theory of computation is tommorrow. It's a shame, I find the whole module really fascinating but I can't find the motivation to study for it. Hopefully I pass just from my work during the semester.

>Revision class today
>At the end someone asks if the professor can give any hints or tips for the exam
>Just straight up says no

[Anonymous No.9697647]

Just finished my CS undergrad

Most people in this degree are brainlets in it for money, or socially awkward cunts, and people who legitimately cannot program.

Few are cool, want to publish papers and stuff.

[Anonymous No.9697651]

>>9697106
In a Canadian university, we learned big oh notation and a bunch of theoretical shit by the end of first year.

Its different for colleges here because they're for literal failures. This is because students get grants so they only thing stopping you from a university education is being a brainlet (Algonquin college in Ottawa is full of drug addicts and tattooed up whores)

[Anonymous No.9697654]

>>9696820
I remember this copypasta from a post prior to this one...

[Anonymous No.9697761]

>>9693564
who cares what some unemployed high school dropout frogposter faggot thinks

[Faggot No.9697968]

>>9691320
Yeah dude there's education degrees. Mine is in music education

[Anonymous No.9698003]

>>9697098

thing is, i've never really had to use the more in-depth material on computability or automatas. that's why i think almost anyone would be better off taking a math major and compsci minor rather than vice versa. i don't care to study design patterns, software development models, or any of the other drier aspects of software engineering with OOP, nor do i need to know every last detail about DFAs or CFAs.

[Anonymous No.9698004]

>>9698003
>CFAs.
* CFLs

[Anonymous No.9698015]

>>9697647
>Most people in this degree are brainlets in it for money, or socially awkward cunts, and people who legitimately cannot program.
>posts on 4chan
I can guess which one are you.

[Anonymous No.9698053]

It's interesting to see Chemistry so high up on this list.

Usually these contrived meme tier-lists put it at the ass bottom.

[Miniature Spacecraft No.9698055]

>>9691206

CS is just maths.

[Anonymous No.9698061]

Does having a double major in geology & chemistry put me between top- and mid-tier?

[Anonymous No.9698078]

>>9698061
>double major in geology & chemistry
Now why on earth would you double major in chemistry and its single worst application?

[Miniature Spacecraft No.9698106]

>>9698078
Petroleum

It's literally the $$$-field in geology

[Anonymous No.9698156]

>>9694251
I assume it's because they're pretty popular and 4chan is contrarian. You're totally right about industrial, but I'd add petrol to the mix since it's basically industrial but more specialized and totally dependent on the price of oil.

[Anonymous No.9698175]

>>9697651
>a bunch of theoretical shit
namely...