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Joe Rogan covers Race and IQ Debate Anonymous Thu Apr 19 05:52:40 2018 No.9683061 [DELETED]

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Joe rogan tackles the scientific debate on race and IQ, lysenkoism, and other things going on with two very educated guests. He has one of the most listened to podcasts in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r_E0bXF54U

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 08:45:32 2018 No.9683264 I can't believe people still believe in genetic determinism in 2018.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 08:48:33 2018 No.9683271 File: 478 KB, 500x348, dealing with retards.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9683264 >he thinks IQ being affected by genetics means there is a 1-1 mapping between genotypes and IQ

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 08:49:37 2018 No.9683272 >>9683271 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 08:52:59 2018 No.9683279 >>9683271 If you actually went to check out what it was you'd know it is around 0.8 in adults, dickhead. That's pretty fucking significant.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 08:54:15 2018 No.9683281 >>9683279 Nice number retard.

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:01:16 2018 No.9683292

>>9683281
You're a retard! And I'm pretty sure it is 0.8, from memory, in fact, I'll go and check then rub the number in your face:
>Various studies have found the heritability of IQ to be between 0.7 and 0.8 in adults and 0.45 in childhood in the United States.[17][21][22] It may seem reasonable to expect that genetic influences on traits like IQ should become less important as one gains experiences with age. However, that the opposite occurs is well documented. Heritability measures in infancy are as low as 0.2, around 0.4 in middle childhood, and as high as 0.8 in adulthood.[9] One proposed explanation is that people with different genes tend to seek out different environments that reinforce the effects of those genes.[17] The brain undergoes morphological changes in development which suggests that age-related physical changes could also contribute to this effect.[23]
>A 1994 article in Behavior Genetics based on a study of Swedish monozygotic and dizygotic twins found the heritability of the sample to be as high as 0.80 in general cognitive ability; however, it also varies by trait, with 0.60 for verbal tests, 0.50 for spatial and speed-of-processing tests, and 0.40 for memory tests. In contrast, studies of other populations estimate an average heritability of 0.50 for general cognitive ability.[21]

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:03:54 2018 No.9683294 >>9683292 Hey buddy who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:03:58 2018 No.9683295 >>9683264 OK disprove it then dumb idealisitic faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:04:34 2018 No.9683296 >>9683294 The article, dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:05:47 2018 No.9683302 >>9683295 I don't need to disprove something that has been well known by the scientific community for quite some time. Pick up some books, I'm not going to engage you with the pathetic argument you crave.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:06:49 2018 No.9683304 >>9683296 What article re-re?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:07:26 2018 No.9683305 >>9683061 Ah yes THIS is what I look for in a science and math board.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:08:59 2018 No.9683308 >>9683304 These, fuck head: Sources cited in the article: >https://ghostbin.com/paste/e6fab

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:13:10 2018 No.9683317

>>9683292
>>9683279
>heritability means completely devoid of environmental factors
>heritability doesn't imply shared and inheritable environments
Fucking kys and stop shilling shit you are clueless about. You're 1000x times worse than clickbait and IFLS bullshit.

>A common error is to assume that a heritability figure is necessarily unchangeable. The value of heritability can change if the impact of environment (or of genes) in the population is substantially altered.
>Thus, even in developed nations, a high heritability of a trait does not necessarily mean that average group differences are due to genes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

Imagine that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:14:35 2018 No.9683318 >>9683061 We already have a thread about this.....

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:18:47 2018 No.9683323 >>9683308 >Muh muh hyperlinks Tell me about this supposed evidence you have cited. Seems like unsubstantiated bullshit to me. Stop trying to hide behind a textwall and tell me how this supports your claim.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:20:08 2018 No.9683325 Ah yes... the best scientific authority on the subject.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:21:48 2018 No.9683329 >>9683292 How heritable a trait is does not mean differences in a trait between populations is due to genetic differences. You morons should actually learn genetics before trying to say anything about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:22:03 2018 No.9683331 >>9683323 >I don't know what citations are. I don't think you belong here, friend.

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:23:38 2018 No.9683332
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>>9683317
>Are most European countries within a similar environment.
Yes.
>Are most Northeast Asian countries within a similar environment?
Yes.
>Do these populations have the highest IQs?
Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:24:36 2018 No.9683336 >>9683331 Huh? When literature is cited it is always cited with an emphasis. Good science justifies the use of what it has cited. I have citations motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:24:40 2018 No.9683337 >>9683329 >Populations don't share genetics, because postmodernism. That really activated my almonds.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:24:46 2018 No.9683339 >>9683332 >Are most European countries within a similar environment. No. Norway is nothing like Greece. >Are most Northeast Asian countries within a similar environment? No. Mongolia is nothing like Laos.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:25:54 2018 No.9683341 >>9683337 You just don't understand heritability or population genetics. I believe you're also assuming that IQ is 100% heritable so any differences in the trait at all must be 100% due to genetics and there is no other option.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:25:57 2018 No.9683344 >>9683339 >Laos is in Northeast Asia

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:27:13 2018 No.9683346

>>9683336
Did you even read any of those thinks? They come with handy abstracts for brainlets who can't skim-read a paper.

>>9683339
>No. Norway is nothing like Greece.
Yes. Norway and Greece are more alike than Greece and Israel.

>No. Mongolia is nothing like Laos.
And Laos doesn't have a high average IQ.
But Mongolia and South Korea do and have similar ecology.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:28:16 2018 No.9683352 >>9683341 >IQ is 100% >Clearly didn't read my post, as I said: 0.8, which isn't 100%. Wat

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:31:09 2018 No.9683357 >>9683346 >/Sci/entific argumentation is a copy pasting articles without substance or citation Oh sweetheart, you are right, I don't belong here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:34:33 2018 No.9683359 I'm just worried that racists we're right and there's gonna be some kind racial politics starting because of this.

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:36:39 2018 No.9683363

>>9683359
They are not. These people believe all the scientists in the world are in a conspiracy to cover up the truth that only /pol/ NEETS are smart enough to decipher.

Even if they were right, that would never be an excuse to take away people's right or to justify any political action.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:43:35 2018 No.9683371 >>9683346 >But Mongolia and South Korea do and have similar ecology Jesus fuck you are retarded

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 09:49:15 2018 No.9683377 >>9683061 Does 'heritability' account for the fact that intelligent parents try to raise their kids to be more intelligence?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 10:44:24 2018 No.9683447 >>9683377 Apparently they control for all that but I don't see how. They can't really effectively control for how a person is raised without subjecting a group to inhumane conditions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 12:55:01 2018 No.9683641 >>9683305 Joe Rogan's reach is higher than any science publication

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 13:21:20 2018 No.9683705 >>9683061 Race intelligence and violence are real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKHi-Dg_7QM

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 14:09:54 2018 No.9683818 >>9683271 >>he thinks IQ being affected by genetics means there is a 1-1 mapping between genotypes and IQ I'm not a "he".

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 14:33:15 2018 No.9683904 >>9683264 Intelligent parents statistically have intelligent children. Same with stupid parents. Its not 100% but it is a strong correlation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 14:47:42 2018 No.9683945 >>9683061 >race >iq Not science, sorry. Both are pseudoscience.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 16:59:05 2018 No.9684313 >>9683341 One of the most common arguments from right-wing tards is that "neomarxist academics" are too scared to conduct research into human population genetics, but people have literally been doing that shit for like 100 years now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 17:00:13 2018 No.9684316 >>9684313 https://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-murguia/jason-richwines-resignati_b_3267730.html

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 19:31:14 2018 No.9684633 >>9683904 Your parents must have been pretty dumb.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 01:55:31 2018 No.9685375 >>9683363 There is no conspiracy. The heritability of IQ and the lower IQ of blacks is pretty much the mainstream view among intelligence researchers. If you did any research into the topic, you would know this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 02:05:35 2018 No.9685392 File: 1.09 MB, 200x190, 1434149790319.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What would happen if tomorrow the entire world decided to accept racial and genetic differences? What would change?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 02:12:51 2018 No.9685401 >>9685392 Probably not that much. Maybe some people would become a little more worried about mass third-world immigration, or be less inclined to automatically blame any racial disparities on "discrimination".

Anonymous Fri Apr 20 02:14:22 2018 No.9685404

>>9683061
I just watched the whole episode.
The focus wasn't really race and IQ and was more about liberals being unwilling to criticize fundamentalist islam.

On the race and IQ topic, Asian-Americans are suing Harvard for holding Asians to a higher standard for admission.
Could Asians be the liberal kryptonite? They are a minority that is being negatively affected by affirmative action.

Here is Sam Harris' podcast with Charles Murray.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1lEPQYQk8s
It is the catalyst for the discussion on JRE.

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