/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9682661]

Redpill me on math degrees

[Anonymous No.9682668]

>>9682661
>PhD Mathematics
>300k

Done

[Anonymous No.9682671]

>>9682668

But anon, I have no desire to make such an absurd amount of money

[Anonymous No.9682673]

Study math if you like it
If your pure math program requires a calculator past year one it's shit

[Anonymous No.9682674]

If you want to just do undergrad and get a job, doing something else is a better option for most people. Studying theoretical math doesn't necessarily give you employable skills, but it makes you really good at learning stuff. You can also end up in other fields by doing a math degree. The bottom line is, where you'll end up is not really cut-and-dried. Also, If you aren't cut out for it, it will be very apparent in the first proof-based math class you take.

tl;dr: if you don't have an autistic hardon for math, study something else. if you're good at math but don't care about purely theoretical stuff, be an actuary or an engineer.

[Anonymous No.9682678]

>>9682674
What if I enjoy math but am absolutely horrible at it and am a bottom of the barrel student despite putting 12 hour days to study individual math courses

[Anonymous No.9682686]

>>9682678
I guess if you love it that much then go for it, but asking this question in the first place suggests you have doubts.

[Anonymous No.9682689]

>>9682673
>If your pure math program requires a calculator past year one it's shit

wow, I didn't even know that was possible

My first year calc prof said
"Use a calculator, I don't care, if I see an answer that isn't pi by something then you get zero"
(graphing calculators were not allowed)

[Anonymous No.9682690]

>>9682686
I doubt my ability but I'm still enthusiastic. Is a math enthusiast all I'll ever be?
I'm a college student looking back an wondering why I'm consistently so weak

[Anonymous No.9682692]

>>9682690
what classes are you taking right now

[Anonymous No.9682694]

>>9682668
This is not everyone's experience getting a PhD in math.

>>9682661
Anon, if you want a job in math then go far in grad school.
The most jobs are in computer math and cryptogrpahy

If you do unusual shit because you enjoy it you'll have to become a prof which is a difficult and highly competitive road. It also doesn't pay as well as the first two jobs I listed

[Anonymous No.9682695]

>>9682694
I'm >>9682690
And also in column B

[Anonymous No.9682702]

>>9682661
>>9682668
Genuinely curious, can you guys name some specific examples of useful/valuable applications and fields which demand a PhD in Math?

[Anonymous No.9682715]

>>9682671
Every position you are looking to get into (with the exception of any brainlet degrees; humanity degrees), the guy with a strong math background is going to have a leg up on you competition-wise. even if he knows jack shit about the subject he is applying for.

[Anonymous No.9682750]

> have been vigorously studying math for years outside of school (I'm on Adderall)
> people always look at me like I'm having an autistic fit when I mention this
> might be stuck taking "203 discrete math for infants" and "302 problem sets and busy work"
> would have to take a class called "social justice" because it's a B.A. degree

I hate this

[Anonymous No.9682798]

>>9682702
cryptography

[Anonymous No.9684045]

>>9682661

[Anonymous No.9684048]

>>9682668
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.9684773]

>>9684048
Is that specifically for people who have a PhD in math or is it just "mathematicians" in general?

[Anonymous No.9684797]

>>9684773
almost always when the job title "Mathematician" is used, the guy who has it is a Ph.D

[Anonymous No.9684802]

>>9682661
If it doesn't look like this, it's shit.

[Anonymous No.9684808]

>>9684797
There's a not-NSA but contracts exclusively for them spook in Princeton NJ that hires a lot of them.

[Anonymous No.9684817]

>>9684802
>6 classes every semester
this is no joke, anon

[Anonymous No.9684821]

>>9684808
Elaborate

[Anonymous No.9684823]

>>9682661
i started off in liberal arts classes before switching to a math degree (at a frankly mediocre midwest state college). definitely more challenging and time consuming, but it actually felt like i was learning something.

liberals arts and social sciences profs. have a TON of liberty to turn their classes into indoctrination seminars. i worked hard on papers with "original" ideas (neither fringe nor controversial) and consistently get back mediocre grades, but if i half-assed a paper parroting the prof.'s pet ideology the grade was always 10-20% higher. briefly dabbled in economics courses after that, ran into the same problem there until i realized this issue didn't exist in math courses.

[Anonymous No.9684824]

>>9684802
>fourier analysis in year 2
>high tier degree
Good one

[Anonymous No.9685025]

>>9684823
>muh liberal bias in academia

[Anonymous No.9685044]

>>9684802
>matrix algebra
>Introduction to Proofs, for brainlets
>not starting with mathematical logic
>abstract algebra on year 3
>fourier analysis as mandatory

meme tier

[Anonymous No.9685135]

>>9682702
Nice pic. Was gonna post math degrees get the bitches, but it's pretty much a truism at this point.

[Anonymous No.9685176]

>>9684048
Does the east coast just pay more because of NSA? Or is there some other reason? I'm a math undergrad and am wondering what the fuck I'm going to do. I've never gotten past the interview process for most jobs (granted I didn't expect to get into most) and am worried I will have to just go to grad school. I'm thinking statistics but I honestly don't know yet.

[Anonymous No.9685185]

>>9685025
>liberal to conservative ratio in 1970, 2.7:1
>progressive to conservative ratio in 2018: 30+:1
hmmstve. progs definitely haven't gotten smarter, and their ideology is becoming less attractive to the mainstream.
why is it that they're becoming more concentrated in accademia?

i'll give you a hint: you're too closed minded to even pretend to think about this problem

[Anonymous No.9685194]

>>9684817
It's honestly just the humanities that fuck you up. I did mine over the summer. The rest is easy. I couldn't imagine juggling English/humanities papers and math at the same time.
Although to be fair at my uni
>Matrix theory
An 8 week course not required for math
>Proofing
Piss easy
>Calc 3
Easy if you use Matlab or Mathematica with it for learning purposes
>ODE
Algebra. Not difficult
>Linear Algebra
Not sure which one that is but ours is Advanced Lin.Alg. lots of proofing and magic
>Real Anal
Hell
>Numerical Anal
Here it's number theory which isn't required but it's not terribly difficult
>Fourier Anal
Grad level only
>Real Anal II
Grad level only
>Point set topology
Only if you're doing a grad school track
>Complex Anal
More magic and proofs. Had a great professor so I breezed through it
>Abstract Algebra
Hell
>Measure theory
Taught in probability theory. Not difficult
It might look like a lot but it's doable. I do 4 math classes a semester.

I'm taking linear/nonlinear programming, statistics, PDEs, and some other stuff for my track.

[Anonymous No.9685637]

>>9682689
>wow, I didn't even know that was possible
I'm currently on first year of a math program and not even our few physics courses require us to use a calculator, yet in said courses we are expected to know how to give approximate values when numeric (rather than algebraic) expressions are asked for. A good math program -and even a good physics program- should you used to this from the start.

>>9685044
>Introduction to Proofs, for brainlets
>not starting with mathematical logic
Propositional logic and predicate logic should be the first thing you'd see in any intro to proofs/intro to advanced mathematics course

[Anonymous No.9685655]

Worth as much as queer studies. Learn math outside uni faster, cheaper. Think: what jobs require math bachelor's? Any decent job is coming from networking, anyway, and once you get a job, the degree becomes worth even less.

[Anonymous No.9685946]

>>9682694
>computer math
The absolute state of mathlets

[Anonymous No.9685952]

>>9684802
That's pretty much the CS program I'm doing

[Anonymous No.9685958]

>>9685185
>IQ rising (Flynn effect)
>intelligence is correlated with liberal views
There's your explanation, but I guess you would rather believe university is an institution to hold back conservatives, since that shift the blame of your failures from yourself to someone else

[Anonymous No.9686038]

>>9682750
Stop taking adderall. Fuck this generation has been (((annihilated))). Just belueve in yourself, you have a terminal depressive and pessimistic/pathetic attitude and belief in self. Always trust that you can do it and overcome any obstacles

[Anonymous No.9686053]

a math major + cs minor with properly chosen electives is probably a good surrogate for "real compsci" if you have to go to a lower-tier college. you can skirt all the boring software engineering and IT-type courses that i spent at least 3-4 years on.

[Anonymous No.9686061]

>>9686038
>Stop taking adderall.

easy for you to say, you don't know what ADD is like. i really can't think without some stimulant. my mind just doesn't power up.

[Anonymous No.9686095]

>>9684802
past 1st year, it looks like someone just threw random math courses all over the place.

[Anonymous No.9686103]

>>9682673
Do people really use calculators in Calc courses? Calc I - III, Diff EQ, hell even my intro linear algebra which was completely computation didn't let us use calculators.

[Anonymous No.9686131]

>>9682702
sauce me up on that pic senpai

[Anonymous No.9686135]

>>9682661

Math is the best second degree anyone can get.

[Anonymous No.9686169]

>>9686131
have you ever noticed that tiny triangle next to the post number, why don't you click it anon

[Anonymous No.9686177]

>>9685946
It's not my fault the economy is retarded

[Anonymous No.9686300]

>>9682671
then you'd better not go into math
once you go in, there's no going back. you're going to have to make at LEAST 300k starting if you want to comply with federal regulations.

[Anonymous No.9686325]

>>9682702
quantitative finance (stochastic analysis, monte carlo methods, PDEs, SDEs, numerical analysis, high-frequency algorithms)
mathematical/financial economics (SDEs)
nearly all of applied mathematics outside of the "data science" meme (i.e. fluid dynamics, computational physics, acoustics, anything involving PDEs)
actual ""data science"" (i.e. machine learning research, data mining, etc.)
anything involving optimization or operations research, particularly numerical optimization and scheduling problems are of high industrial interest
probably more that i'm not remembering at the moment

t. financial math phd

[Anonymous No.9686454]

>>9682661
What is that white glob on her bag?

[Anonymous No.9686469]

>>9684802
>humanity or social science elective
>8 times
The absolute state of leftism trying to get even in the more objective science

[Anonymous No.9686471]

>>9685185
>>liberal to conservative ratio in 1970, 2.7:1
>>progressive to conservative ratio in 2018: 30+:1
source?

[Anonymous No.9686638]

>>9684802
>Math 4.png
>Physics I, II, III
>Something analysis
>Measure theory
>Probability theory
>Mathematical logic only in year 2
>Abstract algebra only in year 3
Pleasu rename your file to "calculus 4.png"

>>9685637
>Propositional logic and predicate logic should be the first thing you'd see in any intro to proofs/intro to advanced mathematics course
This

[Anonymous No.9686652]

>>9686638
>t. cs brainlet that thinks mathematical logic == demorgans law

kek, >>>/g/o back to the >>>/g/hetto

[Anonymous No.9686666]

>>9686053
>>9686469
As a britbong, the US college system is seriously fucking strange. It sounds like basically going to a harder version of high school for four years, except it leaves you $100k in debt. You don't apply to study anything in particular, you just apply in general to various institutions. You then ideally choose a "major", and possibly a "minor", at some point. And you still need to take feminist dance therapy classes even if you declare a physics major. Do I understand that correctly?

Here, university is where we go when it's time to /specialise/. We apply for a specific degree programme and are accepted (or not) based on specific school leaving qualifications. The degree takes three years (in England and Wales) and all courses are either predetermined or chosen from a closely related list.

It's a little bit different in Scotland (four years, so there's time for a slightly broader approach). Even then, direct second year entry is common for students with particularly good school leaving results and you still have to apply for a particular qualification upfront. You certainly can't study whatever random shit you feel like for years and make up your mind later.

Even online uni/distance learning only allows you to do that kind of thing if you're happy to leave with a bullshit "BA/BSc Open" degree. If you want an actual named degree in something, you still have to take particular modules in a particular order.

Study is effectively free in England (you only need to repay as a small percentage of earnings above a relatively high threshold) and literally free in Scotland and Wales (government grant for full tuition fees).

[Anonymous No.9686687]

>>9686095
That's basically a math major.

[Anonymous No.9686704]

>>9686469
>Japanese 101
>Japanese 102
>Japanese 201
>Japanese 202
>Japanese 301
>Japanese 302
>Japanese 401
>Japanese 402
And not an ounce of Cultural Marxism in sight.

You only have yourself to blame if you take Feminist Technoscience 206 thinking it's going to be about sexbots and Sheeeit only to get repeatedly shamed for being born with a penis and have to write 100 page apologies to all the women you have micro-raped.

[Anonymous No.9686770]

>>9686454
Looks like a bunny.

[Anonymous No.9686776]

>>9686038

> Mr. Lahey, is that you or the Adderall talking?

> Randy, I am the Adderall

[Anonymous No.9686780]

>>9686704
i wish i could substitute japanese language classes for all my marxist indoctrination credit requirements

but thats verboten

[Anonymous No.9686784]

>>9682673
>If your pure math program requires a calculator it's shit
ftfy. i was a physicsfag and we even didn't use calculators

[Anonymous No.9686873]

>>9685958
> iq is rising in the general population so iq is rising in every subset of the population
you must be super conservative

[Anonymous No.9686880]

>>9686469

>math is objective
hahaha

HAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[Anonymous No.9686884]

>>9686666

No you're wrong. I did american college and declared an area of study first year. I took absolutely no courses that weren't in my field

[Anonymous No.9686889]

>>9686652
Logic is a poor system.
To be honest. I have now done a PhD and math and completely regret it. Math is complete fucking bullshit all the way up. Only anti-intellectuals who go "oh well i dont care if this says anything about the real world i'm a PURE mathemetician :)))" could possible be happy with modern mathematics.

If I could go back in time I'd probably major in music.

[The Lord No.9686941]

I wish i could be getting one instead of rotting away in homelessness

[Anonymous No.9686945]

>>9686884
>No you're wrong. I did american college and declared an area of study first year.

This, at least in Engineering Schools.

[Anonymous No.9686946]

>>9682661
Please stop posting 3d girls this is a blue board and you will make us all very sad.

[Anonymous No.9686962]

> studying pure maths because I enjoy it
> got a trading internship that pays 100k a year
feelsgoodman.png

[Anonymous No.9686990]

>>9686666
nice satanic quads

anyway europeans have to get masters if they want to be competitive. your 3 year bachelor degrees are worthless in your job market.

and seriously can europeans shut up about the free college thing? you pay like 40% more in taxes, VAT, etc. it's not free. it comes out of the taxpayer (i.e. your) pocket. youre paying one way or the other.

[Anonymous No.9687033]

>>9686666
>You don't apply to study anything in particular, you just apply in general to various institutions
Yes you can very easily get into MIT engineering with nothing but social science credits in high school, very true
>We apply for a specific degree programme and are accepted (or not) based on specific school leaving qualifications
Your universities actually look into your high school & grades? Weird
>and all courses are either predetermined or chosen from a closely related list.
Huh, we don't have any course lists or credit requirements for specific degrees in the US
>You certainly can't study whatever random shit you feel like for years and make up your mind later.
You're right, it doesn't make sense to study English for 3 years in university and then switch to engineering in the last year and graduate. I don't know why we allow it here, or why we don't have any degree requirements whatsoever.
>bullshit "BA/BSc Open" degree. If you want an actual named degree in something, you still have to take particular modules in a particular order.
This is kinda like our "majoring and minoring" system here in the US.

what are you even on about? having one or two humanities electives per year doesn't mean our degrees aren't "specialized" or we can just take whatever we want, you sperg

[Anonymous No.9687119]

>>9687033
Almost a third of >>9684802 's total courses are electives, though. The degree could therefore have been done in three years without compromising on the actual subject matter and at a saving of probably $25k+.

If I were in their place, it would be hard not to feel like they were deliberately wasting my time for their financial benefit. Forcing students to take underwater basket weaving alongside the study they actually care about means they need to take a fourth year, which means more money for the college.