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9680108 No.9680108 [Reply] [Original]

>mfw i see a post denying global warming

>> No.9680120
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9680120

>>9680108
>mfw people try to claim global warming is real because a lot of people say it's real
>mfw people try to conflate the earths historical heat cycling and the evidence for it with evidence for man-made global warming
>mfw people don't understand global warming is better than global cooling, full stop


I'm not for or against either way, I just hate the evangelical retards on either side who use illogical arguments and don't even understand the issue but parrot leftists environmentalist dogma bullshit.

>> No.9680124
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9680124

>mfw boomers sodomize the ozone layer with CFCs in the early 70s so hard, that the ozone layer's gaping anus wont close up until the 2050s
>mfw boomers see that the avg ocean temperatures have been increased ever since their ass-raping of the ozone layer
>mfw boomers then turn to their children and grand children and tell them to gimp their own economies to protect the environment even though china and india shit out over 9 gorillion times more microplastics and pollutants than western countries which already had overly restrictive environmental regulations

epic. simply epic.

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9680144

>>9680124
>being choose with your time scales on a graph in order to try and demonstrate trends that don't excist.

Trying to demonstrate trends on a graph scaled for decades based on a metric that changes on geological timescales is the tippy toppest of intellectual dishonesty by leftist environmentalist retards like yourself.

>> No.9680152
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9680152

>>9680108
>>9680124
cherry picking data for political reasons.

>> No.9680156

>>9680144
have you ever heard of the precautionary principle?
do you live a humble lifestyle?

>> No.9680157
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9680157

>>9680108
Come on guys, stop being this stupid.

>> No.9680167

>>9680144
>>9680152
Yes I'm sure it's pure coincidence that the average ocean temperatures worldwide suddenly swung up exactly the same year CFCs were discovered to be destroying the ozone layer and allowing more energy from the sun to pass through to the surface of the planet.

COMPLETE.
COINCIDENCE.

Global Warming is real. A component of it is man-made. But that man-made component is 100% due to the ozone layer's bleeding, prolapsed rectum. Carbon emissions are a meme

>> No.9680174

>>9680156
Do you understand what an argument from ignorance is?
Stunting human technological and economic development based on an idea that is far from proven is wrong.

>>9680167
>Yes I'm sure it's pure coincidence that the average ocean temperatures worldwide suddenly swung up exactly
Are you really seriously arguing correlation equals causation? Seriously?
Why are you even on this board?

>Global Warming is real.
This is true insofar that there is a measurable increase in global temperature. The reason for the temperature swing is unknown and purely speculative at this point. Anyone claiming to know it's due to human emissions is a pseudo-scientific moron.

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9680179

Nothing to see here, just the lowest average temperatures in almost 450 million years.

Totally killing the planet with your 90's shitbox guize.

>> No.9680180

>>9680174
global warming or no global warming,

de-growth is humanity's only hope for long term survival.

the cult of economics is cancer.

>> No.9680183

>>9680174
You know we can literally calculate the heat and energy dissipated due to the ozone right? Like you know ozone has that physical property and a gaping hole means more energy from the sun reaches the planet? You understand this? Right? No wait you're retarded

>> No.9680184

>>9680167
>I'm sure it's pure coincidence
So what's your assertion for the massive spikes in global temperatures 1000 years ago or 2500 years ago. Were we dumping CFC's and not driving enough Priuses back then too?

>> No.9680185
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9680185

>>9680174
>such a successful consumer
>nom nom nom
> muh economics, muh human technological development
> nom nom

>> No.9680190

>>9680184
ENERGY
MOTHERFUCKING PHYSICS
MORE ENERGY = MORE HEAT

>> No.9680191

>>9680180
Sure thing Karl.
Or we can advance economically and technologically and find better and better ways to live like we have for 200,000 years.

You can volunteer yourself as the first to sacrfice for "de-growth". You and your spawn will not be missed.

>>9680185
>can't make an argument? I know, I'll resort to ad hominem!

I can guarantee I am in better shape than you.

>> No.9680197

>>9680190
So where was this energy coming from 1000 years ago and 2500 years ago?

How is it that this additional heat is suddenly the fault of humans now but it wasn't back when we were stabbing things with sticks or stacking bricks as our primary industry?

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9680201

>>9680174
>muh consumers colonizing the stars, in the name of jebus
>muh liquid salt thorium mega reactors
>muh 17 trillionz of humanz, me luvs dem so much
>nom nom nom

>> No.9680202

>>9680201
>muh degenerative socialism.

lel good luck getting anyone to get on board with your worthless horseshit.

Try making an actual argument, fatass. You are projecting too hard.

>> No.9680203

>>9680185
Ad hominem won't help, you know.

>> No.9680210

>>9680201
>>9680185

This is what fringe leftists actually beleive. They dispise advancement and anyone who would bring it. They seek basal poverty and the prosecution of anyone that would rise above. They hate technology and human advancement. They hate the abundance and comfort capitalism brings. They want everyone working themselves to death for nothing on potato farms applying for a government permit to procreate.

This is why socialism has failed, because it is a morally and intellectually bankrupt ideology.

>> No.9680214

>>9680210
>prosecution

The word you are looking for is persecution, you stupid fucking hick.

>> No.9680229

>>9680214
>persecution

No, I mean prosecution you illiterate fuck. Socialism is all about government violence and prosecution for the enforcement of the communal state.

Read a fucking book before you try to get pedantic with me. We all know you're resorting to this pseudo-intellectual pedant shit because you can't make an actual fucking argument.

>> No.9680240

>>9680108
97% percent of astrologers thing astrology is meaningful. How can you argue against that?

>> No.9680242

>>9680229
ya, as a devoted leftist I really want to prosecute anyone who would rise above poverty...

>> No.9680251

>>9680242
Leftists want poverty for all. Literally they want to take away from people who have to subsidize people who can't get out of their own way with the goal to bring everyone up, and down, to a basal level of poverty. And literally enact punitive policies for anyone who dare rise above.

This is the end-game for socialism. Stifle innovation and success to subsidize laziness and mediocrity,.

>> No.9680274

>>9680242
>>9680214
you ignorant fucks have no idea what you're talking about. you have no idea about the nkvd troikas who literally prosecuted the kulaks for daring to be not poor.

read a fucking book then kill yourselves.

>> No.9680280

>>9680274

and you think your ideology will prevent that kind of thing from ever happening again, right?

around here its sorta looking like the "leftists" are taking the place of the "kulaks"

>> No.9680288

>>9680274
>money doesn't exist
>it's impossible to be poor

>> No.9680293

>>9680251
Yup. You're much more moral than those people who literally devote themselves to oppressed peoples. SO MORAL. OHHH YESSSSS SOOO MORAL

>> No.9680299

>>9680274
hunger does some pretty fucked up things to peoples brains, and if you want to find out what they're capable of I suggest you use up everything to have yourself a nice beach vacation 10 times a year.

>> No.9680303

>>9680293
Or maybe they are mostly poor through their own fault and neglect and being shit in general and not because they are victims of the system or external factor. Even if the system is as reasonable as possible people will be shit, do you think it will make them own their shortcomings?

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9680323

>>9680274
That never happened, and besides the kulaks deserved it for hoarding grain

>> No.9680344

>>9680214
>>9680242
>>9680293
>>9680323
>haha typo xD
>sarcastic non-argument
>sarcastic non-argument
>shortsighted advocation of violence
you are a parody of yourself

>> No.9680359

>>9680120
global warming is global cooling
the only reason anyone thinks anything they havent seen is real is because someone told them that it was, not to mention you only think that what youve seen is real because everyone around you for your entire life has acted as though this were the case.

conflating earths historical heat cycle is indefensible and it happens on both sides of the argument.

>> No.9680360

>>9680344
par·o·dy
ˈperədē/
noun
noun: parody; plural noun: parodies

1.
an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.

and I'm damn good at it, too. Thanks, anon.

>> No.9680362

>>9680144
global warming has happened before , for other reasons. volcano eruptions, meteor impacts, biological creatures radically changing the atmosphere.

it was terrible every time. just because its happened before doesnt mean we should just ignore it and hope were one of the species that doesnt die.

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9680377

>mfw I see a post on algorithms

>> No.9680381

>>9680360
>le deliberate misinterpretation of ur statement haha i win XD
why is the left so bad at arguing

>> No.9680386

>>9680381
you misused the word parody and the word typo.

why are retards so bad at understanding language?

>> No.9680395

>>9680386
>attacking your opponents use of language instead of the point they're making
>deliberate misinterpretation despite the context
the hallmarks of a brainlet

>> No.9680403

>>9680395
"deliberate misinterpretation despite context"

jesus christ, ive been writing for more than a decade why has this tactic been impossible for me to articulate up till now.

>> No.9680408

>>9680403
congratulations, give yourself a pat on the back, faggot

>> No.9680410

>>9680408
i think you think im the guy who i quoted but im not that guy im an entirely different guy who appreciates that guys succinct use of language.
and you are mad.

>> No.9680413

>>9680403
>mfw taking kudos from people who are parodies of themselves

>> No.9680415

>>9680413
i think you think im some other guy who im not but im the guy that said that thing i said and quoted that other guy not the guy who you think i am because i can assure you ive taken no kudos nor am i a parody of any guy.

>> No.9680416

>>9680410
i'm the guy you quoted but this faggot >>9680408 is not me

>> No.9680418

>>9680415
this faggot >>9680413 is also not me (>>9680395)

>> No.9680422

>>9680415
>>9680415
>>9680416
>>9680418

I literally couldn't give a fuck if you are 1 or 5 completely distinct retards

>> No.9680423

>>9680422
but you only quoted four guys, if the four guys where 5 distinct guys wouldnt it be at least mildly interesting as one of those guys would have to be two guys and none of those posts seem to have any kind of dissonance between the language and thoughts being articulated.

>> No.9680426

>>9680423
you misspelled "I'm a faggot"

>> No.9680427

>>9680197
similar answers throughout the thread but the general trend started during the industrial revolution and continued through our population explosion. CFCs are definitely a factor to be aware we need that Ozone but there were regulations put into effect in the 90s however oil is too large an industry so that couldn't be done away with immediately. I doubt it's a doomsday scenario more an Elysium fiefdom type dystopia which we were probably heading towards anyways.

>> No.9680428

>>9680426
what did i misspell?

also, why did you feel the need to project your sexual proclivities to me? while i am flattered i am in no mood for a buggering from a fine young lad like yourself thank you very much.

>> No.9680430

>>9680428
I can see now that the theory of 5 retards typing at 5 typewriters is capable of producing the most epically retarded shit in human history has merit.

>> No.9680434

>>9680430
>epically
are you 14?

>> No.9680437

>>9680434
no

>> No.9680441
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>>9680362
It really is this simple. Ffs organisms like algae or trees die and the elements they gathered from the atmosphere of their time are now being reintroduced into ours in large numbers so of course it will do something to the environment. Afaik a great extinction occurred because of sudden change in atmospheric composition. Our background extinction rate is stupid ridiculous right now aside from climate change pollution and over consumption alone are causing problems throughout the biosphere anyone who isn't convinced action must be taken are willingly blind or brainwashed by industry and its associates.

Ever since we crawled out of africa we've been burning forests and killing everything we could find so not a surprise people continue to turn a blind eye to these issues

>> No.9680448

>>9680108
What is this picture supposed to be?

>> No.9680454

>>9680167
>Carbon emissions are a meme
The greenhouse effect is basic fucking chemistry. There's no way you could pump millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere and it not have an effect.

>> No.9680493

>>9680144
>Trying to demonstrate trends on a graph scaled for decades based on a metric that changes on geological timescales
Despite the fact you managed to use the word in your post, you obviously don't understand what timescales ARE.
Go at look at the rate of change on the graph you posted, and then compare it with any modern dataset. Changes over decades and centuries will directly impact human civilization. Changes that take millennia or more won't. Of course we are going to focus on the things that will affect us.

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>>9680344
>>shortsighted advocation of violence
Not an argument.

>> No.9680566

>>9680180
>de-growth is humanity's only hope for long term survival.
No, the only hope for humanity's survival is continued industrialization of the developing world in order to stabilize population size, e.g. stop and reverse population growth. Fucking idiot greens. I hate you so much.

>> No.9680570

>>9680210
Hey now. Don't confuse socialism for idiotic green Gaia worship nonsense. Totally different things.

>> No.9681484

>>9680566
>https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/02/madoff-s-most-astounding-rationalizations/342080/

>> No.9681494

>>9680108
Cool, I'll make more such posts because I like that face.

>>9680120
Yours, not so much.

>> No.9681497

>>9680156
>have you ever heard of the precautionary principle?

I have indeed. It cannot be denigrated too strongly.

>> No.9681503

>>9680167
>Yes I'm sure it's pure coincidence that the average ocean temperatures worldwide suddenly swung up exactly the same year CFCs were discovered to be destroying the ozone layer and allowing more energy from the sun to pass through to the surface of the planet.

Is it seriously your contention that the ozone layer is connected to warming trends? That's a new one on me.

The "problem" with ozone depletion was supposed to be more dangerous UV getting through and causing cancers and shit. O2 and other greenhouse gases are blamed for "warming."

Although CFC and CO2 look vaguely similar, I guess, they are no the same thing.

>> No.9681509

>>9680157
This. The Earth was warmer before Industrial Revolution. It's just Earth natural cycle. CO2 has nothing to do with it. It's just fluctuations of Sun activity.

>> No.9681519

>>9680167
>>9680124

The ozone layer has nothing to do with it. Ozone absorbs UV radiation, which can be hazardous, but is only a negligible portion of the energy received from the sun. Most of the light from the sun is visible and infrared light that the ozone layer doesn't absorb.

The primary drivers of Earth's temperature are the sun's output, the Earth's atmospheric CO2, and the Earth's atmospheric aerosols. We can measure all of these and the only one that is changing in such a way that would cause an increase in temperature is atmospheric CO2.

>> No.9681532

>>9681509
Solar irradiance has been decreasing, though.

>> No.9681537

can anyone explain why suddenly lots of people are bumping this thread arguing as if the original bump
>>9681484
wasnt even there?

>> No.9681561

>>9681532
>>9681519
>>9681509
>>9681503
>>9681497
>>9681494

I'm really wondering if you guys are bots or something... Nothing you have posted has anything to do with the original bump. Were you just saving your posts, waiting for the thread to get bumped? It seems very strange.

This is the original bump
>>9681484

Check out the times.

>> No.9681567

>>9681561
The bump seems completely unrelated so I, and seemingly everybody else, don't give a fuck.

Or maybe everyone who disagrees with you is a bot or a shill.

>> No.9681577

>>9681567
I didnt say that... but it is odd. and your defensive accusation is odd as well.

>> No.9681581

>>9681577
You got me! I'm a shill! It can't be that /sci/ is a slow board!

>> No.9681585

>>9681581
>>9681567

Whether the original bump is unrelated is irrelevant.
Whether the board is slow is irrelevant.

The timing of the string of posts is VERY strange.

Your defensive outburst is VERY strange.

Perhaps you really are a paid shill...

>> No.9681592

>>9681585
Yeah, you caught me. You should go back to /x/ and write all about it.

>> No.9681595

>>9681592
Anyone reading this can look at the times of that string of posts, and come to the same conclusion.

It is too much to be a coincidence.

>> No.9681604

>>9681561
This is creepy stuff.
Makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

>> No.9681733

ba bumpity

>> No.9682175

>>9680152
>complains about cherrypicking
>uses a single two decade old study of ocean sediments on a small part of the sea
>doesn't realize that this thread is talking about global warming, not Sargasso sea warming

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php

>We know about past climates because of evidence left in tree rings, layers of ice in glaciers, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks.
>As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.warming.
>The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.

>> No.9682199

>>9680144
There are also other things like solar activity that influences the temperatures on those scales, but solar activity has dropping for the past few decades, so there's really nothing else to point at other than manmade causes.

>> No.9682251

>>9680144
By ignoring solar irradiation increases over time you've created a graph of misinformation to push an agenda

What we call propoganda

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6Z04VJDco

>> No.9682266

>>9681519
Yes the massive deviation and trend upwards in mean oceanic temperature values after 1974 is complete happenstance because scientists understand 100% of everything.

>> No.9682290

>>9681519
You're missing 2 important factors in Earth's temperature (though your conclusion is still correct that CO2 is a primary driver).

1. The positions of the continents and
2. The Millankovich cycle.

They're extremely related. Right now the Northern Hemisphere is mostly land while the Southern Hemisphere is mostly water which absorbs more heat than land. This means that any changes to the orbit and tilt of the Earth, although the amount of solar irradiation is almost entirely the same, can have dramatic consequences on the temperature of the Earth. Since when and where the Earth is furthest from the Sun in its orbit corresponding to which hemisphere is currently in its summer season will add or remove overall heat from the system.

Of great importance is also ocean currents which can be blocked or rerouted around the equator toward the poles where unequal heat distribution can cause major climatic effects. Regional changes such as closing off the tropical current when North and South America joined or the development of the Antarctic Circumpolar Current can create large ice sheets that dramatically cool the entire Earth as more energy is reflected back into space.

I'm sure you know all this but should have included it anyway for completeness sake.

>> No.9682323

>>9681561
FWIW, not all of those are the same guy.

>>9681494
>>9681497
>>9681503

Those are me, the others are not.

Mine came in rapid succession because I read down the thread and relied to stuff that caught my eye. I would guess that's a not-uncommon pattern of posting, especially on slower boards where it is more likely there might not be an intervening post.

I am not sure what you mean by "original bump" nor why you think posts in reply to something else have to actually be in response to it. But I don't mind a little uncertainty in my life.

Now if you'll excuse mea moment, I have to go click a lot of traffic lights.

>> No.9682351

Is there anything worse than "well liberals say it's real and humans cause it while conservatives say it's not real so let's compromise at saying it's real but we don't know if humans cause it" yes let's completely ignore the scientific merits of each side

>> No.9682364

>>9680303
If there is tons of abundance, some welfare for the poorest people so they can get back on their feet does not hurt anyone. Like there's just no reason to not have hand outs if we have tons of stuff from capitalist productivity anyways since the rich don't even use most of the money. Think of it like incentivized donations more than taxes.

Than again I'm not socialist, I'm a filthy liberal.

>> No.9682366

>>9682364
For the general idea is with a higher basic standard for living, that's more potential kinds with more potential ideas for how to improve the world. Yeah there will be parasitic people, but for every parasite there is someone willing to put in that extra effort to contribute to society.

>> No.9682368

>>9682364
learn the difference between "abundance" and "money"

>> No.9682375

>>9682368
Learn the difference between investments and giveaways the next time tax cuts are brought up.

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>>9681561
>I'm really wondering if you guys are bots or something...

it is gonna bother you because you're human
and I was human ... I am human still but

but I was just referring to myself in the past not that I was not human

https://youtu.be/g2Dva99IfZI

>> No.9682401

>>9682375
4chan should just ip ban retards like you.

>> No.9682406

>>9682323
>>9682383

uh huh... makes perfect sense now.... thank you all for clarifying. now im thoroughly convinced you are not shills.

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>>9681509
>The Earth was warmer before Industrial Revolution.
The Earth's current temperature likely exceeds any temperature reached for several thousand years.

>It's just Earth natural cycle.
The current warming is both much faster than any known natural cycle, and has no visible natural cause. On the other hand, things like stratospheric cooling and atmospheric carbon isotope balance STRONGLY point to human activity as a cause.

>CO2 has nothing to do with it.
We can measure the radiative forcing due to CO2.

>It's just fluctuations of Sun activity.
We can also directly measure the isolation from the Sun.

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>>9682488
>The Earth's current temperature likely exceeds any temperature reached for several thousand years.
You are Blatantly Wrong in this point.
It was much warmer during the Viking era, Roman Empire and Minoan (Ancient) Greece.

>> No.9683093

>>9683074
I haven't done a ton of research, so this might sound stupid, but it seems that during these times CO2 was still the cause of these rises in temperature. CO2 was released in very low quantities though, so we didn't see these weather crises often, but CO2 was still accumulating in the atmosphere. It seems that we're only speeding the process up by releasing tons of it unnaturally. No?

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9683191

>>9683074
>Year's before present (2000 AD)
Find a graph from someone who's not outright lying to you. GISP2 uses 1950 as "present", so that chart actually ends in 1855. Basically none of the anthropogenic rise in temperatures is viable on your graph. Also, conflating temperature anomalies in Greenland with global mean surface temperature isn't going to work well. Current temperatures are well above those in the periods you mention.

Here's the Marcott reconstruction:
https://sci-hub.hk/http://science.sciencemag.org/content/339/6124/1198

Compare with GISSTEMP, which uses a similar baseline:
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

The Earth has warmed more over the last hundred years (+1.0C) than it cooled in the four thousand before that (-0.6C).

>> No.9683287

>>9682366
Wishful koombaya bullshit thinking which presumes people are willing if the conditions are good.

It fails because they are not willing to cooperate even if the conditions are good and fair.

>> No.9683314

Is this the science denialism thread?

>> No.9683376

>Hurr just like stop driving your car man
>Now lets build a 90 billion dollar meme train

I don't even fucking care anymore warm this bitch up idgaf

>> No.9683441 [DELETED] 

>>9683093
Climate was warmer during Viking Age, Roman Empire and Minoan Greece.

The carbon emission that time was low.

Mainstream climatologist try to justify saying that some natural event such a large forest fire released CO2.

Is it Volcano eruptions? No. Since it does the opposite. The smog released by volcanos block sun light, freezing the earth.
https://en.wikipedia.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summerer

>> No.9683446

>>9683093
Climate was warmer during Viking Age, Roman Empire and Minoan Greece.

The carbon emission that time was low.

Mainstream climatologist try to justify saying that some natural event such a large forest fire released CO2.

Is it Volcano eruptions? No. Since it does the opposite. The smog released by volcanos block sun light, freezing the earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter

>> No.9683455

>>9683446
>Climate was warmer during Viking Age, Roman Empire and Minoan Greece.
No it wasn't. Marcott's reconstruction clearly shows that current temperatures are warmer than at any point in the last few thousand years.

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9683465

>>9683455
It was warmer

>> No.9683470

>>9683465
Where is that graph from?

>> No.9683472

>>9683074
>>9683465
>Unsourced image posted by an anonymous poster
>vs this
https://xkcd.com/1732/

I wonder who's more credible (and yes, there are sources on that image)

>> No.9683485

>>9683472
>vs XKCD
Why?
I explicitly mentioned Marcott's paper, which is one of the sources used to make that comic anyway.

>> No.9683498

>>9683485
>Why?
Because it tells a different story

>> No.9683584

If global warming is real then why is it so snowy right now in APERIL hmmmmmmmmmmmm? Check and mate

>> No.9683587

Oh my god I hate pol so goddam much. They are still destroying this site

>> No.9683720

>>9683191
Found the shill

>> No.9683776

>>9683720
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Argumentum%20ad%20hominem

>> No.9684120

>>9680157
I've always wondered. How do we get those numbers? Medieval times and such?

>> No.9684130

>>9683376
this.

>> No.9684167
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9684167

https://www.edx.org/course/making-sense-climate-science-denial-uqx-denial101x-6

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>>9683470
>>9683472
Here
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Sea-surface-temperatures-from-the-Sargasso-sea-during-the-last-3000-years-based-on-oxygen_fig6_313127868

>> No.9684177

>>9683446
>Climate was warmer during Viking Age, Roman Empire and Minoan Greece.
So what?
The actual temperature is not the problem here, because ecosystems adapt over millennia.
It's the unprecedented FAST rise in temperature that is catastrophic, not the fact that temperature is rising overall.

>> No.9684200

>>9684120
Probably ice samples or something like that.

>> No.9684680

>>9684177
But it's not unprecedented. Temperatures rose dramatically in ~1500BCE and ~1000AD

>> No.9684708

>>9684680
>Temperatures rose dramatically in ~1500BCE and ~1000AD
For that one Sargasso cherry picked graph everyone keeps posting in this thread.

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>>9680108
It's a meme to make sheep like you pay more Tax and buy expensive "green" products.

Global Warming / Climate Change is literally a industry.

>> No.9685199

>>9684708
>from literally some of the best data we have on temperature over geological time scales.

IFTFY

>> No.9685297

>>9685199
It's a single proxy covering a single location.

>> No.9686702

>>9680108
>mfw I see a post denying race

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>>9683587
pol is the only board that even comes close to remotely resembling old 4chan

fucking normies

>> No.9686794

>>9686788
you've clearly been here less than 5 years. Old 4chan was libertarian through and through. new /pol/ would be absolutely shit on in the old days. You guys like telling people what to do too much, especially when it has 0 impact on anyone.

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>>9686788
>/pol/
>anything other than the site of first landing for boomers and newfags

>> No.9688024

>>9686788
>pol is the only board that even comes close to remotely resembling old 4chan
/pol/ is literally being colonized by reddit, it is as much "newfag" as it gets.

>> No.9688040

GUYS GUYS THERE WAS A THREAD ON /pol/ ACCEPTING CLIMATE CHANGE WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TO

>> No.9688044

>>9688040
Only 99% of /pol/ is retarded, but of course most of what the average /pol/ack wants is not contradictory with climate change or even environmentalism.

>> No.9688058

>>9688044
>most of what the average /pol/ack wants is not contradictory with climate change or even environmentalism

How so?

>> No.9688064

>>9688058
>How so?
Why would it be?

I would even go so far as to say that the average nationalist cares a lot about the environment, as obviously you want to have a "nice" country to live in.
The average person on /pol/ fundamentally is dissatisfied with the current state of culture, mostly defined by multiculturalism and multi racialism, but environmentalism and monoculturalism/mono racialism are entirely compatible.

>> No.9688074

>>9688064
Most of them are also libertarians/ deregulation/ pro hunting. That isn't exactly environmentalism.

I think you're trying to relate two completely unrelated ideologies for some reason.

>> No.9688083

>>9688074
>Most of them are also libertarians/ deregulation
lol

>I think you're trying to relate two completely unrelated ideologies
My point is that environmentalism is NOT contradictory to what /pol/ wants.
I also think it is a REALLY stupid Idea to have these "ideologies", which can't possibly have anything to do with each other.

Why can't you simultaneously be anti multiculturalism and Immigration and pro environment?

>> No.9688086

>>9688083
>Why can't you simultaneously be anti multiculturalism and Immigration and pro environment?

Of course you can.

But you can also just as easily be anti-multiculturalism and anti-environment.

(Of course everyone says their pro-environment, even if in their case its literally the furthest thing from the truth.)

>> No.9688091

why aren't we invested on mimicking plants' ability to consume CO2 instead of emission reduction memery?

>> No.9688097

>>9688086
>But you can also just as easily be anti-multiculturalism and anti-environment.
Yes, but that is the reason why you can be on /pol/ and be pro environment.

>Of course everyone says their pro-environment, even if in their case its literally the furthest thing from the truth.
What I mean is by "pro environment" that the government should put reasonable regulations in place to reduce the harm companies do to the environment, with the goal of preserving the "natural state of nature".
And I would thing that this wouldn't be an entirely unsupported Idea on /pol/, except for of course the redditors from /r/the_donald.

>> No.9688185

>>9684169
>The Sargossa Sea surface temperature is representative for the global temperature, even though the data from the Sargossa Sea disagrees with all other measurements
Hmmmm

>> No.9688188

>>9688097
>If our government does it first (and other's don't), our economy will suffer
>If all governments do it, the economy might suffer (globally, including ours)
>Ergo it's a bad thing and shouldn't be done
That's the basic thought process going on

>> No.9689919

I read that as "I see a ghost deny global warming" and thought how in the hell did you do that?

>> No.9689994

>>9686788
t. i came here because of (((trump)))

>> No.9690551

>>9689919
This is the post of a 13 year old. I'd bet my whole $2000 in my bank account on it

>> No.9690749

>>9690551
>2000
This is a post of a 20 year old