/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.967811]

Where does /sci/ stand politically?

[Skunkworks !e1337Hykks No.967818]

Here.

[Anonymous No.967822]

postdeconstructionalist right wing liberal marxist

[Anonymous No.967825]

Left but not that left.

[Anonymous No.967829]

Down 70% left 60%

[Anonymous No.967839]

Moderate Libertarian if we're talking about the Capitalist scale. Between Technocracy and Meritocracy if we're talking about Socialism.

[Anonymous No.967848]

1. Kill all the stupids
2. Install Scientist-kings
3. Decentralized, planned communities
4. ????
5. PROFIT

[Anonymous No.967856]

Techno-anarchy

But in real life I'm a libertarian.

[Anonymous No.967872]

Libertarian-left.

[Anonymous No.967877]

>>967856
techno-anarchy is the logical conclusion of libertarianism.

[Anonymous No.967885]

>>967872

[Anonymous No.967887]

>see this thread
>see +4 libertarians
>realize /sci/ is retarded

[Anonymous No.967888]

Centrist economically, liberal on social issue. Support Obama over McCain.

[Anonymous No.967894]

>>967887
>greentext
>implying you are not alsi retarded

[Anonymous No.967895]

>>967887
I am just going to assume you're a troll so your stupidity doesn't piss me off.

[Anonymous No.967898]

>>967856
Yes because we should all like have robots instead of people doing jobs right?
Hur dur derp derp

[Anonymous No.967903]

>>967887
>Implying Liberterian-Left isn't just an elitist way of saying 'left-wing / liberal'.

[Anonymous No.967905]

I'm straight up centralist nigga. republicans and democrats are both crazy. Beats Karl Marx though. lolcommies

[Anonymous No.967909]

liberal on economic issues.

ultra liberal on social issues.

[Anonymous No.967911]

>>967903
Its not
Its a way of saying you're an anarchist

[Anonymous No.967914]

We don't live in post revolutionary France. The terms "left" and "right" no longer have consistent meaning. Please stop using them. The new terms are "Pinko Commie Faggot" and "Theocratic Psycho Anachronist" respectively. This has been a public service announcement.

[Anonymous No.967922]

>>967903Implying Liberterian-Left isn't just an elitist way of saying 'left-wing / liberal'.

Except for the socialism part.

[Anonymous No.967923]

I support a government that keeps out of my bedroom and makes sure that they don't put pig shit in my ramen.

[Anonymous No.967928]

Politics
>Implying i'm not right.
You see, politics are an illusion. An illusion that I cast upon people to laugh at them as they pitifully argue. There is only one right, and that is mine.

/thread

[Anonymous No.967939]

>>967923and makes sure that they don't put pig shit in my ramen.

I think I've seen that flavor.

[Anonymous No.967942]

>>967877

The logical conclusion of techno-anarchy is tyrannical Plutocracy unless :

1. Said "Techno" has eliminated resource scarcity

2. community planned economy

else, you get the richest (in money, resourses, technology, whatever) using their advantageous power to manipulate society like gods. Which makes it no better than the bullshit we have in the world today.

rampant Might-makes-right injustice is the natural result of any anarchic society where resourses are scarce. Some libertarians are libertarians only because they secretly want to be mob bosses.

[Anonymous No.967949]

>>967887
>see +4 libertarians
>realize /sci/ is retarded

To be fair the Libertarian party is fairly diverse. There are Libertarians that range from anarchists to just people that are pissed off that neither of the two main parties will promise to not invade Iran.

[Anonymous No.967960]

>>967898

[Anonymous No.967962]

Somewhere to the left.

[Anonymous No.968051]

>>967949
Fine then
If a democrat declares war on Iran I will take back what I said

[Anonymous No.968064]

[Anonymous No.968082]

>>967960
Hey fax machine you better keep doing your job or I'll replace you with a printing press

[Anonymous No.968126]

Libertarian Socialist. Fuck currency.

[Anonymous No.968138]

meritocrat

[Anonymous No.968157]

Liberal to the core

[Anonymous No.968171]

inb4 HURR DURR I'M ANARCHIST

[Anonymous No.968175]

Communism is good. Think about it... In Asia, the national test scores are higher than those in Europe and America. I am an American and just graduated as valedictorian of my class. However, if I were in Asia, China, for example, I know I would be equivalent to one of the below-average students there.

[Anonymous No.968188]

>>968064
I'd still like some source on that.

[Anonymous No.968203]

>>968188
I don't find it surprising
When people think of liberals they think of artists and stuff not scientists

[Anonymous No.968248]

Highly liberal

[Anonymous No.968250]

>>968203

Even though scientists tend to be the most liberal of professionals next to teachers and reporters.

[SocialistPigeon !!7bEmRbaMh6w No.968262]

Left-wing statist and nationalist.

[SocialistPigeon !!7bEmRbaMh6w No.968269]

National-Social-Bonapartist.

[Anonymous No.968276]

liberal of course

[Anonymous No.968278]

>>968175
That because our parents doesn't accept us if we got only 3.7.
An exaggeration, of course, but you got the point.

[Anonymous No.968281]

Librarian Party

LOWER TAXES
SMALLER GOVERNMENT
MOAR BOOKZ

[zeo !!V4eHyPsQ+gr No.968283]

left of centre with a strong libertarian bias

[Anonymous No.968284]

Socially liberal, not pussified though.
I claim to know nothing about the other aspects of political agendas.

[Anonymous No.968285]

Libertarian.

[Anonymous No.968286]

>>968250

most Teachers and Reporters are actually republican or conservative

[Anonymous No.968289]

>>968188

http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1549

[Anonymous No.968299]

>>968064

>2% Conservative

I guess we're counting creation science as a legitimate science now?

[Anonymous No.968300]

Without government pure research would not happen. Government cannot dictate research (right-conservative) unless the survival of human kind is in jeopardy. Also, nothing is absolute and I can always change my mind.

[Anonymous No.968305]

Anti-statist

[Anonymous No.968307]

Don't-Give-A-Shit-Take-This-Crap-Back-To-Fucking-/new/-Wing

[Anonymous No.968316]

>>968299
Creation "science" is not a fundamental tenet of conservatism.

[Anonymous No.968321]

>>968316

Most Christians consider themselves conservatives

[Anonymous No.968325]

In times of crisis Monarchy is the only form of government that makes any sense (hence martial law). Otherwise, left libertarian anti-conservative.

[Anonymous No.968330]

>>968321
Jesus Christ was liberal. Go figure.

[Anonymous No.968335]

>>967848
I'm a liberal and I support this.

[Anonymous No.968336]

very very left

[Anonymous No.968340]

This

[Anonymous No.968341]

>>968300
>Without government pure research would not happen

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. Oh my. History not your thing is it? Rich dudes love donating to science research and ventures. Carnegie, Morgan, Rockefeller... people like that donated millions and millions to science research. Just look at today at people like Richard Branson. Bill Gates and all those rich fucks fund shitloads of research and ventures.

[Anonymous No.968342]

>>968330

pretty sure he was Jewish.

[Anonymous No.968344]

>>967818
>>967923
>>968300
retarded graphs are retarded. They assume that extreme communism and capitalism have no bearing on personal freedom

Something like this would represent political ideology better, although not perfectly

[Anonymous No.968358]

>>968340
>Y axis labelled "libertarian"
>libertarian=classical liberal plus economically right

[Anonymous No.968359]

>>968344
That's even worse. You're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.968369]

>>968344
How do you read this graph? Or am I just retarded

[Anonymous No.968374]

Sure is stupid libertarian in here.

[Anonymous No.968378]

>>968358
Left/ right = economics
up/down = social matters

[Anonymous No.968386]

The problem with this is; I don't stand anywhere politically.
I wouldn't mind a dictatorship, with a good dictator.
I wouldn't mind a democratic socialism, with a good society.
I wouldn't mind a libertarian republic, that's representative and sticks to it's principles.
I wouldn't mind a robotocracy, with clever and benevolent robots.

Nothing ever works out perfectly forever though, they've all had some fatal flaw that was exploited, robotocracy not withstanding. That's why I find early America so fascinating, constantly changing politically, without actually sacrificing it's own core principles for a long time, but since it was compromised to begin with (slavery) it had to rewrite it's principles and now we have a partially democratic socialism.

Oh well, the only truly dangerous thing is a statism, because it always eventually arbitrates some sort of systematic discrimination.

[Anonymous No.968392]

/sci/ is socialist

[Anonymous No.968401]

>>968386
Robotocracy is the way to go! All we have to do is make ONE perfect robot dictator, and duplicate that. Robots are never biased, and will never change until human programmers change them. The only problem will be getting people to agree one what a perfect robot is.

[Anonymous No.968402]

I am a scientist therefore I am a Socialist.

Albert Einstein was a Socialist, here's a link to a famous article he wrote called: Why Socialism?

http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einstein.php

[Anonymous No.968407]

>>968402
Social democrat, you mean? Mixed economies are the way to go.

[Anonymous No.968411]

>>967811

Non-practicing anarchist. I vote blank.

[Anonymous No.968412]

>>968402
>I am a scientist therefore I am a Socialist.

I'm a scientist therefore I'm a capitalist.

[Anonymous No.968416]

Anti-entitlement, creates dependence
Competition, hard work, and conflict is the only way we, as a society, can move closer to an utopia
Regulation to prevent monopolies/reduction of competition
Combination of Keynesian and Mellonomics to prevent economic busts and stabilize booms
Socially liberal, if it has a genetic backing (pro gay marriage)
Highly funded education to give every child a chance to compete

No clue where this stands politically

[Anonymous No.968417]

>>968412
Then you're stupid
You're screwing yourself over

[Anonymous No.968420]

Anarchist.

[Anonymous No.968421]

>>968402
tl;dr

[Anonymous No.968427]

communist

[Anonymous No.968435]

Militantly liberal. I don't think conservatism has much of a place in the most forward thinking of all disciplines.

[Anonymous No.968440]

>>968417
That makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.968441]

>>968427
Oh here we go again

[Anonymous No.968446]

>>968359
ure reasoning?

[Anonymous No.968450]

>>968435
Kieth Olbermann is on. GO! RUN!

[Anonymous No.968459]

>>968440
The government is the one that pays for most of the research
If we lived in a Libertarian society like you guys claim, you'd have to rely on charity

[Anonymous No.968461]

>>968416
>Competition, hard work, and conflict is the only way we, as a society, can move closer to an utopia
HA HA OH WOW

>Combination of Keynesian and Mellonomics to prevent economic busts and stabilize booms
You fail economics forever

>No clue where this stands politically
you sound like the average retarded centrist who knows nothing about the implications of their hodgepodge of nonsensical policy stances

[Anonymous No.968463]

socially ultra-liberal, economically moderately left, democrat and internationalist.

[Anonymous No.968468]

>HURRDURR I HAVE A POLITICAL OPINION AND I THINK THAT EVERYBODY THAT THINKS DIFFERENTLY IS A MORON

stop being such jackasses

[Anonymous No.968469]

I'm a liberal anarchist communist conservative

[Anonymous No.968475]

I'm mostly libertarian but the more I read about them the more I see a pattern in their logic. Every time there's a problem with big business, it's because of government interference in the first place. Not only is it an excuse, but most importantly it's not a solution.

[Anonymous No.968476]

>>968468
but that's wrong you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.968481]

>>968412
Let the /free market/ decide whether exploring Mars is more important than putting that extra /pop!/ in Fizzlypop Soda!

[Anonymous No.968483]

>>968459
>The government is the one that pays for most of the research

Not where I live. It's those rich guys you hate so much.

[Anonymous No.968488]

>>968475
Libertarians are lazy because their solution is to do nothing. No rules, no regulations, don't fill in loopholes. Doing nothing will fix everything!

[Anonymous No.968489]

>>968468

NO U

[Anonymous No.968492]

>>968481
http://www.virgingalactic.com/

[Anonymous No.968493]

>>968483
Orly?
I supposed those rich guys would of funded NASA and the LHC as well right?

[Anonymous No.968495]

>>968459


Evolutionary biologist here:

I write about 50 grants year, and of those only 3-4 are from private donors, the rest are from the government.

tl;dr: all my money comes from government

[Anonymous No.968501]

>>968481
We already know the free market would decide NOT to explore mars. The United States government has already put three rovers on mars we can control with a remote. It will be a long time before pure private enterprise tops that.

[Anonymous No.968502]

>>968459


Evolutionary biologist here:

I write about 50 grants a year, and of those only 3-4 are from private donors, the rest are from the government.

tl;dr: all my money comes from government

[Anonymous No.968509]

>>968461
herp derp name calling durr no facts hurr durr I'm retarted

[Anonymous No.968513]

>>968492
PROTIP: Sir Richard is a raving lunatic. His extra-orbital adventures to not in any way reflect the interests or good humor of the average capitalist.

Most enterpruners and VC's can't see 5 feet in front of their face let alone 50 years into the future

[Anonymous No.968515]

>>968502

good point, but people see Evolution and get all hurr and durr.

[No.69 !wxvtaWEvxg No.968517]

Right-libertarian.

[Anonymous No.968518]

ITT:liberal scientists vs retards

[Anonymous No.968519]

ITT: I HAVE OPINIONS FUCK YEAR IM SO COOL IM SUCH A FREE POLITICAL THINKER.

Grow the fuck up, politics is for retards who enjoy wasting everyone's time and fucking with science.

[Anonymous No.968521]

>>968493
SEE
>>968492

[Anonymous No.968522]

>>968515

People get the same way about just about everything related to science.

"Blood circulates!" THAT GOES AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF GOD.

[Anonymous No.968528]

>>968521 Space tourism
>Science

[Anonymous No.968529]

>>968521
That's not funding science
That's hiring aerospace engineers to design cool ships so you can make more money

[Anonymous No.968540]

>>968513
http://www.xcor.com/
http://www.blueorigin.com/

[Anonymous No.968543]

>>968515

[Anonymous No.968544]

>>968529
>>968528
He's making space travel much cheaper. Something NASA and other government programs aren't doing.

[Anonymous No.968553]

>>968544
He's using technology developed by NASA scientists

[Anonymous No.968554]

>>968544

Yeah actually NASA is trying to make space travel cheaper, as mandated by their steadily shrinking budget.

It's also only science by convenience. Obviously discoveries have to be found when you go out in space, because virtually nothing at all has been discovered out there. Making the discoveries top priority and not "wouldn't space be so cool" is supposed to be the idea. You make discoveries faster.

[Anonymous No.968555]

>>968544
A unity between private and public enterprise for science is good. NASA buys plenty of equipment from private companies. But when it comes to funding big projects, like rovers on Mars, corporations are going to continue to be useless.

[Anonymous No.968556]

>>968543

[Anonymous No.968566]

>>968544
Yeah what a shame that NASA is trying to find life in other planets, finding ways for astronauts to survive long space travels and gathering information about our universe instead of trying to find ways to make cheap space flights

[Anonymous No.968567]

i think everybody whos iq is over 120 should be at least liberal/socialist

[Anonymous No.968573]

>>968553
Yeah he probably does. So what? That's how science works dumb ass, we build on previous discoveries and technology.

[Anonymous No.968578]

>>968517

>Plutocrat

fix'd

[Anonymous No.968579]

>>968573
You need to learn the difference between science and engineering

[Anonymous No.968583]

>>968566
Who's complaining about fucking NASA?

[Anonymous No.968585]

>>968579
I mentioned both science and engineering in the post.

[Anonymous No.968588]

>>968583
>He's making space travel much cheaper. Something NASA and other government programs aren't doing.
>Something NASA and other government programs aren't doing.

[Anonymous No.968592]

>>968513
These are "enterpruners" in a Keynesian corporatist society where there is no accountability, and competition is purely short term economic gain, which is antithetical to the typical capitalist market.

[Anonymous No.968605]

>>968588
Yes. That doesn't make NASA bad. They do good work too, but the private space programs are the ones making the future of manned space travel.

[Anonymous No.968615]

>>968605
They're not
They're doing something Russians did 60 years ago

[Anonymous No.968617]

>>968605

Just what the universe needs: private, for profit business trying to expand its horizons.

Case Study: See Africa, most notably the Congo Free State.

[Anonymous No.968619]

>>968592
well then the contemporary US economy is/ was-destroyed-by "Keynesian corporatist society where there is no accountability, and competition is purely short term"

but I don't hear anyone arguing that. So my if we infer then, that "Keynesian corporatist society where there is no accountability, and competition is purely short term" is the ultimate end point of a mixed economy, then yes, capitalism fails at providing enough science

[Anonymous No.968620]

>>968615
Now, they aren't blowing up. Sorry. They are making it CHEAPER. STREAMLINING. Can you understand that? You are going to be able to go into space because of their efforts dumb ass.

[Anonymous No.968632]

>>968617
That was conquest and slavery by a king. These are space programs. You are the dumbest mother fucker ever.

[Anonymous No.968636]

>>968620

>Now, they aren't blowing up. Sorry

-Apollo 1
-Apollo 13
-Challenger
-Columbia

[Anonymous No.968638]

Took http://www.okcupid.com/politics, got:

You are a

Social Liberal
(85% permissive)

and an...

Economic Moderate
(55% permissive)

You are best described as a:

Strong Democrat

[Anonymous No.968642]

>>968636
Those were missions my private space programs.. news to me. I thought it was NASA. Anyway the soviets exploded much more than NASA.

[Anonymous No.968643]

obamunist bushite

[Anonymous No.968653]

>>968642
Corporations supplying NASA with ships/equipment is a good idea, but those corporations aren't going to fund the bulk of space exploration. We need both public and private space programs.

[Anonymous No.968654]

>>968620
I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say
If it wasn't for NASA we would not go into space
NOT NOW NOT EVER

[Anonymous No.968656]

>>968619
Where don't you hear anyone arguing that? It makes sense that when the people who profit from, and make the most important decisions in a business aren't held financially or legally responsible for the actions of business, you're going to have abuses, as we see from every single corporation.

Also you superfluously called corporatism capitalism, which it is clearly not, despite borrowing many of the features.

[Anonymous No.968662]

>>968654
USSR went to space before NASA. And yes we would have without USSR space program or NASA, it would have took longer but it's was going to happen.

[Anonymous No.968681]

>>968662
Right because private corporations would have spent billions of dollars for research

[Anonymous No.968684]

I like me my Socialism.

[Anonymous No.968702]

>>968681
THIS

[SkiddieKript !!Vhv0R15E3US No.968908]

Quasi National Socialist, I would modify it a bit but the foundational principles are the same.

[Anonymous No.968939]

Social-anarchist

[Anonymous No.968947]

8I

[Anonymous No.968957]

I avoid any sort of ideology. If anyone successfully pins me to an ideology I immediately seek to lose it.

That said, I unfortunately have liberal sensibilities. I blame Star Trek.

[Anonymous No.968964]

>>968681
What with multinats, we are getting there. I can't wait for the off-world pseudo slave labor camps.

[Anonymous No.968967]

>>968386
this

[Anonymous No.968974]

Libertarian right

[Anonymous No.968978]

Democratic socialist.
falling off the left side of the spectrum

[Anonymous No.968981]

[Anonymous No.968992]

I myself am a collectivist-anarchist.

[Anonymous No.969005]

ideology = not science

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

[Anonymous No.969011]

>>969005
i believe this is a discussion of political science

[Anonymous No.969014]

>>968992
I don't know how anyone could say they are X-anarchist, because saying you are X kind of means there is an order that can have characteristics, which wouldn't be an anarchy.

[Anonymous No.969025]

>democratic socialism
>highest living standard in the world
>scandinavia fuck yeah

[Anonymous No.969027]

>>969011
No it isn't, This is a thread where people state what their ideology is. If one is actually discussing "political science" then one cannot claim to hold any sort of ideology such as "libertarian" or "collectivist".

[Anonymous No.969031]

>>969025
China? They have elections don't they? They may only have one party to vote for but they still have elections.

[Anonymous No.969033]

>>968978
same. was an anarchist, but have lost faith in it ever succeeding in the real world.

[Anonymous No.969043]

>>969031
>doesn't know what democratic socialism means

[Anonymous No.969057]

>>969043
Doesn't democratic socialism mean... democratic... socialism?

[Anonymous No.969069]

>>968392
Somewhat, albiet in a very pro-free speech, anti-authoritarian way, with a substantial libertarian twinge as well.

[Anonymous No.969088]

>>969057
right, but democracy is about more than 1 group being allowed elections, it's about the people choosing their government freely. China isn't really "socialist" either, more elitist and exploitative of its workers with fascistic tendencies in the integration of corporate and state power.

[Anonymous No.969093]

>>969069
>>968392
If by "socialist" you mean in favor of societal engineering or seeing society as a system to be tuned for optimal performance... than yes, I believe so.

[Anonymous No.969095]

Nobody on 4chan is anywhere but the green corner of the political compass test.

[Anonymous No.969096]

I'm a COMMIIEEEE

[Anonymous No.969106]

>>969088
>but democracy is about more than 1 group being allowed elections
Didn't I mention that? I thought I mentioned that.

>China isn't really "socialist" either, more elitist and exploitative of its workers with fascistic tendencies in the integration of corporate and state power.
Couldn't the same be said about the USSR? No true Scotsman?

[Anonymous No.969111]

science has no political agenda

[Anonymous No.969114]

>>969069
What if I am pro-Imperium of Man?

[Anonymous No.969116]

Very very very very very pro-free speech and anti-gun control. Far beyond US and most European standards.

Many Euro countries have it against the law to say "I don't believe that the holocaust happened." While that may be retarded, it shouldn't be illegal to say. In the US, the FCC and FTC make it illegal to swear on the radio. That censorship is unacceptable. The UK is just laughable in their censorship.

For fiscal issues...I support local socialism but libertarianism from a broader perspective. To explain: towns and states and small areas should be free to be socialist or communistic if they want, but a country the size of the US wouldn't be able to handle socialist policies.

[Anonymous No.969127]

>>969111
But it is important to keep humanity around a long time to do as much science as possible before the universe goes all Heat Death on us, and that is affected by what political system we choose.

[Anonymous No.969154]

>>969106
Eh, fair enough. It's just a bad type of socialism.

[Anonymous No.969167]

>>969116
Agreed on free speech mang. Though I think a sufficiently transparent and respectful socialist state could work, your method of localized voluntary leftism is quite appealing to my ex-anarchist sensibilities.

[Anonymous No.969170]

>>969154
>fair enough
Someone who doesn't doggedly stick to whatever they espouse? What site is this?

[Anonymous No.969175]

>>969167
I simply distrust governments that have control over large areas, especially when speech and business gets brought into it. Too much room for corruption and too hard to fix it. When on a small scale, it's easier to correct and easier for everyone to get along. Those that don't like it can move to another town much easier than, say, moving to another country.

[Anonymous No.969195]

>>968407
Agreed. Fellow Social Democrat here.

[Anonymous No.969204]

>>969175
A society is not only judged by political corruption.

[A TROLL No.969213]

>>969170
That's the point of Anonymous. You're not afraid to back down (ideally), because there's no reputation at stake.

[Anonymous No.969222]

>>969213
Empirically the opposite is often the case.

[Anonymous No.969249]

communist manifesto sucked. repeated arguments about how the bourgeoisie is bad and how the proletariat should unite and overthrow them but it doesn't address at all how things should be run and how we can avoid starting up a new bourgeoisie. of course this is what happened, just under the name of communism.

[A TROLL No.969261]

>>969222
To briefly lapse into colloquialism...

T.T

[Anonymous No.969264]

I personally find anything that isn't about mustard to be irrelevant.
Hence thread is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.969291]

>>969249
I suppose its good that that's not the only thing Marx & Engels wrote then.

[Anonymous No.969294]

minarchist

[Anonymous No.969320]

My entire belief system is represented by this dot on this graph. If your dot is elsewhere you are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.969358]

>>969320
>>969320
>>969320