Why does /sci/ hate this man?

[Anonymous No.9676828]

"He's Reddit" is not a valid reason.

[Anonymous No.9676834]

>>9676828
he's reddit

[Anonymous No.9676835]

>>9676834
stfu

[Anonymous No.9676839]

No, you just don't like the reason. It's still a perfectly valid reason.

[Anonymous No.9676842]

Because while he is a succesful buisnessman, most of the proper development isnt done by him, and the real eggheads who design everything get no media attention. Yea, without his money and motivation it would be impossible, and I aplaud that, but everyone considers him this alien with knowledge beyond any human, and all the reddit stem faggots suck his dick and want to larp beying him.

[Anonymous No.9676856]

He has absolutely ridiculous opinions on AI, robots, and free will, as well as this: >>9676842

[Anonymous No.9676881]

>>9676828
Is he talking about Zuckerberg?

[Anonymous No.9676886]

He's got that personality where he thinks that he is leading humanity into a new age, and that he is someone who can "fix" things like aging, pollution, moral questions etc. just because he exists in a special place where his products are subsidized to hell and back and invested in by people trying to capitalize on getting ahead of the curve. His own fortune and skills have allowed him to do some cool stuff but there will come a time when he isn't the first on the scene anymore and the brand he has built won't be enough to let him innovate anymore, just cling on to what he has.

In five years there will be more luxury high-performance all-electric cars than you can count on both hands, all competing directly with Tesla and all the manufacturers are pouring millions on battery and automation tech, except they won't have to scale up like he has.

His biggest mistake would be expanding too heavily into infrastructure. His companies have incredibly poor track records when it comes to anything not tightly managed

SpaceX will be successful for a lot longer I think.

[Anonymous No.9677716]

>>9676886
Basically everything he's doing is useful for the Mars mission he wants to do though.

Tesla - electric vehicles. Combined with approximately 40-45% solar energy efficiency on Mars, makes any vehicle designed to run on electricity valuable for such a mission.
The Boring Company - doing any digging or lithoconstruction on Earth is good footwork for doing any on Mars. Practice makes perfect and you have to start somewhere.
Space X - you have to get to Mars multiple times for a successful mission to continue to produce results

It adds to your ability to measure out and achieve goals if you own all the resources necessary for them.

[Anonymous No.9677722]

>>9676828
People hate him because he is just a rich guy, while the media makes him out to be some sort of uber genius. He isn't, I mean he isn’t stupid, but he isn't the engineer or scientist actually doing the hard work.

But i like him because he is doing cool shit that I would do if I had a shit ton of money


I hate people all the rich people who just squander their wealth and don't do anything cool with it.

I think the real problem is with media and the average persons perception of leaders. There is only 1 genius, 1 leader, 1 hero. It is never a team of people, regular scientists and engineers don't get the glory because that is way too many people for the average dipshit to acknowledge.

[Anonymous No.9677725]

>>9676842
>the real eggheads who design everything get no media attention

They are all replaceable parts in his machine. He is not replaceable.

[Anonymous No.9677727]

What did he do outside of being a stingy jew?

[Anonymous No.9677732]

>>9677725
>Buisness is souless
More at 11

[Anonymous No.9677751]

>>9676828
Shut up, reddit. Leave.

[Anonymous No.9677773]

>>9676828
>"He's Reddit" is not a valid reason.

[Anonymous No.9677776]

He is better than most billionaires. I hate the media and so should you. I don't think he goes around calling himself Ironman. That was a media/bugman creation. I hate bugmen too, which comprise a large portion of the Tesla/SpaceX fanbase. I don't hate Musk. He is impressive in many ways.

[Anonymous No.9677813]

Lets look at the companies he created, shall we:

TESLA: Government subsidies, bad quality, always late with production, many errors in production, struggles even producing small numbers of one fucking automobile, is so retarded with automation that he actually has to pedal back on it, shitty worker condition, company yet has to make profit, 5 billion dollar investment hole.
>but what about teh epic autopilot
glorified lane keep assist. I didnt actually know much about the autopilot before, so because of the media attention I assumed that it was actually pretty advanced. Except its not. Its literally a glorified lane keep assist. Most modern luxury cars basically can do the same nowadays, and have done it before. The most retarded thing about is, that because of elons retarded claims people do unironically start to think that its an autopilot and crash like the retards they are. And of course, elon once again makes retarded claims like "hands free trip around murica" which are already like half a year late.

SPACEX:
Early on each of their rockets was late as fuck, like 5 years or more, once again showing how retarded elons claim is. He didnt even manage to achieve first reusable rocket, that claim goes to BO.
Now, while I'll admit that his falcon 9 stuff is quite impressive, he started to get more and more cocky. He has yet to prove "muh reusability", he still launches the rocketd like twice at max, so they are definitely not, or else he would have done it. And of course, the mars mission, which begs the question: Who the fuck will pay for it? Payloads for satellites are reasonable, but a mars mission has absolutely no profit.
>muh satellite internet
already proven by scientists and cs fags that its a retarded idea. Musk doenst even has the capacity to launch that many satellites, and his IT team would horrendously fail at coordinating them correctly.
cont.

[Anonymous No.9677815]

>>9677813
THE BORING COMPANY
mor like the marketing company. his retarded "tunnels for tesla cars" is so retarded, even experienced traffic planners call him out on it. What does he do? "no ur stupid ur experience and achievements dont count" once again showing his unlimited arrogance.

NEURALINK
Still has yet to show anything. For now, another empty shell.

OPENAI
*founds company for his retarded claims*
*quits it a year later*

To summarise: Elons achievements are so fucking blown out of proportion, that its actually legitimate to call him "reddit".

[Anonymous No.9677823]

>>9677815
>NEURALINK
That is his most interesting project to me. I think professions like coding will be hybrid human/AI jobs sooner than people think.

[Anonymous No.9677844]

>>9677716
PV panels are actually much less useful on the surface of Mars because Mars get's much less sunlight, while you also have lots of dust in the atmosphere blocking sunlight.

Digging tunnels on Mars is something completely different than on earth though. What works here best doesn't necessarily work there best.

[Anonymous No.9677846]

>>9677815
> "tunnels for tesla cars"

That's not what it's for. It's a testbed for tunneling machinery for Mars. Everything he does is either about setting up on Mars or to a lesser degree getting the drop on AI so it can never slaughter us all.

[Anonymous No.9677849]

>>9677846
>muh mars testbed
stop being retarded
the logistics of bringing a fucking boring machine to mars are not even possible today, nor will they in 20 years.
also, he is literally doing zero specific mars testing, because that woulf have been known.

[Anonymous No.9677851]

>>9676842
It's not even his money, it's taxpayers money that could have been better spent at something else.

[Anonymous No.9677877]

>>9676828
Elon is just a very social media-aware person and memes everything he does to death. I wouldn't even be surprised if like 90% of his marketing expenditures are for social media.

I mean, look at the FH launch for example, they are selling it as a groundbreaking success that they were able to launch a rocket in a weight class that has been launched dozens of times before, and that only losing one rocket in the landing process is a good result. You just turn up the shill-bots and create a meme how it is so remarkable what they have done. Nevermind the fact that SpaceX didn't even demonstrate multiple reuse of their rockets yet and most of their cost advantage comes from exploiting their workers. But well, this is also probably one of the goals, meme yourself into "cult status" so that your workers are okay with getting much less than they would get anywhere else in the industry.

Plus you also have these extremely retarded ideas he constantly makes public, most famous of all building a city on Mars, although Mars is literally the worst place to start space colonization. It would be like the british empire going "America, India, Africa? Nah man, let's start colonizing Antarctica first."

Other stupid ideas of him are for example Starlink (to bring 1gbps internet to just 10% of internet users in the US, you would need roughly 400.000 satellites in Orbit), or transporting people on a 800m3 cabin on a months-long journey to Mars (meaning you will have less space than on an economy class airplane flight, for the whole duration of the flight to Mars), or transporting people Earth-to-Earth on rockets. He also flat out steals concepts and acts like he invented them (Hyperloop).

So yeah, if you see through the thick media-campaign he has built for himself, you can see he is really mostly nothing.

[Anonymous No.9677889]

Reminder that the NTSB removed Tesla from investigation of that fatal autopilot crash.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43752166

Musk seems to have some sort of Steve Jobs-like reality distortion field around him. To the extent that even his companies have this cult-like attitude that they can do no wrong. See also: Suing Top Gear for making fun of their car, overoptimistic safety ratings, etc.

[Anonymous No.9677891]

>>9676828
I dunno about anyone else but I can't stand hm because of the rubbish he spurted in that robot Ai documentary. It was pure fear porn.

[Anonymous No.9677894]

>>9677891
remember when the musk shills came in here and started shilling that retarded documentary? "its good, trust me"

[Anonymous No.9677900]

>>9677851
>le taxpayers!

*yaaaawwnnn*

[Anonymous No.9677921]

>>9677894
makes you wonder what his real agenda is regarding Ai research? Why does he want us all scared out of our minds about it?

[Anonymous No.9677922]

>>9677725
this guy gets it. I mean the scientists and engineers are super important, sure, but there a ton of people who would do the job equally well. But to be rich and still risk it doing something new? THAT's rare. And the cool thing is he has the foresight of doing this so other people can follow in his footsteps in the future.

[Anonymous No.9677926]

>>9677851
like funding the war on syria? Heh.

[Anonymous No.9677932]

>>9676856

[Anonymous No.9677934]

>>9677889
>Suing Top Gear
good, that shitshow deserves it

[Anonymous No.9677943]

>>9677725
>jeff_bezos.jpg

[Anonymous No.9677958]

>>9677934
>tfw you're so salty about a bad review you start suing them

[Anonymous No.9677960]

>>9676834
>>9677773
/sci/ is the most reddit board though

[Anonymous No.9677997]

>>9676828
His i-shingles roofing solution, or, 'the iphone of roofing' is what really destroyed any and all positive sentiment permanently, solar panels are heinously inefficient even at most optimal conditions and people don't understand that it is literally just using solar radiation to drain an artificially created material that just stacks inefficiency on top of inefficiency and uses such a minute fraction of the EM spectrum that it is an absolute joke. Then mister Musk comes along with his i-shingles and the pseud's on reddit drool all over it despite barely having a clue what electricity even is, let alone how a solar-panel actually works.

Then there is Tesla, a company which is artificially sustained by Musk and government subsidies that has never once made a profit, has built enormously expensive factories while still not managing to deliver or be viable.
It's a pipe dream that floats on marketing of one day being profitable.

So basically the same reason why I hate bio or organic food, because superficial idiots susceptible to appearances think it is more than a mere marketing meme, they fall for it and think of themselves as making 'informed choices'.

Rocket program is great though, loved the boosters landing.

[Anonymous No.9678307]

>>9676828
krypto nazi, afrikaner-apartheid, nigger-hating, faggot building a lebensraum on mars.

[Anonymous No.9678347]

>>9677960
Shut the fuck up, nigger.

[Anonymous No.9678352]

>>9676828
He's successful

[Anonymous No.9678354]

>>9677997
Good summary, but you forgot the part where he is actively catering to pseuds now
>lmao elon musk brand flamethrower I fucking love science

[Anonymous No.9678358]

>>9678347
4chan in 2018
>call someone a faggot
>at worst you get a "why the homophobia response"
>lots of people take the bait and start sperging about how this is 4chan and go fuck off to /lgbt/

[Anonymous No.9678362]

>>9678358
It's a /pol/tard filter

[Anonymous No.9678364]

>>9678307
>implying any of this is a bad thing

[Anonymous No.9678379]

>>9677725
he is the most replaceable person in the building

[Anonymous No.9678393]

>>9676828
/sci. doesn't hate anybody, we're too logical.

Some of us really get annoyed by his hucksterism and his obnoxious fanbois, I guess.

[Anonymous No.9678395]

>>9677877
>Mars is literally the worst place to start space colonization
What's the best place? What's the top 3?

[Anonymous No.9678525]

>>9678395
the moon or one of the earth/moon lagrange points would be better.

[Anonymous No.9678549]

https://www.revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-safer-but-it-left-injuries-off-the-books/
turns out elon musk's whim and incompetence at management is leading to staggering numbers of worker injuries and tesla illegally covering up the evidence

[Anonymous No.9678558]

>>9677851

>it's taxpayers money that could have been better spent at something else.

Spending money on high technology is the best use of taxpayer money. Doubly so for SpaceX where it is utilized much more efficiently than at NASA jobs programs.

[Anonymous No.9678565]

>>9678364
I always found this baffling, why are AIs consistently racist? Genuinely curious.

[Anonymous No.9678567]

>>9678379

is that why no other aerospace company or institution is doing what SpaceX is trying to do, despite having lots of smart people?

Put a bunch of engineers into a building and you get bloated bureaucracy like NASA or ULA.

Musk management is what makes SpaceX different.

[Anonymous No.9678572]

>>9678567
multiple companies ARE trying to do exactly what spacex is doing. spacex wasn't even the first to demonstrate reusable rockets.

musk's utility to the company is that he has a lot of money to throw at the project and he has such an enormous ego that nobody wants to cross him, so he gets away with near-sweatshop conditions. there are hundreds of rich assholes out there that could do exactly what he does.

[Anonymous No.9678581]

>>9676834
based reddit poster

[Anonymous No.9678583]

>>9677725
He's literally just a wallet, that's it. You could replace him with literally anyone willing to sign big checks and nothing would change. Musk does not even understand the science he funds.

[Anonymous No.9678587]

>>9678572
>multiple companies ARE trying to do exactly what spacex is doing. spacex wasn't even the first to demonstrate reusable rockets.


Not many companies at all. There is Blue Origin (coincidentally also led by a self-made billionaire, but has yet to achieve orbit) and thats about it.

[Anonymous No.9678592]

>>9676834
>>9677751
>>9677773
>>9677960
>>9678347
>>9678581

Faggots.
You hate reddit because you can't get along in normal society.
I've never posted on reddit, but I don't build my life view around hate for a platform.

You're likely all INCELS

[Anonymous No.9678598]

>>9678592
hello r eddit

[Anonymous No.9678603]

>>9678592
I hate it cuz it confuses me and everyone there has a stick up there ass. 4chan is sweet cuz it's basically the internet equivalent of shooting the shit with the guys.

[Anonymous No.9678604]

>>9678587
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_private_spaceflight_companies

[Anonymous No.9678605]

>>9678587
okay, i was misremembering, i thought there was another one besides blue origin. that still doesn't mean he was the first to print and it doesn't mean he's contributing anything of value besides a whip

[Anonymous No.9678613]

>>9678583

>founder and CEO of the most successful space company rivaling nation states does not understand rocket science

This is what some people actually believe..

He may not be the worlds leading expert but he surely understands it very well.

[Anonymous No.9678614]

>>9678603
> equivalent of shooting the shit with the guys.

My friends aren't a bunch of know it all angry autsits that cannot have a a real argument.

I get what you are trying to say, and that is why I post here and not there.

I also used to post on VOAT, but it because a repeated conversation about the jews, over and over and over. Basically /pol/ on steroids.

[Anonymous No.9678622]

>>9678604

countless space companies, very few successful

[Anonymous No.9678628]

>>9678613
>>founder and CEO of the most successful space company rivaling nation states does not understand rocket science
This is what some people actually believe..

[Anonymous No.9678630]

>>9678565
>>9678565
You'll never get a real answer because most people will start to reee that it's because old white men made them (even though they won't be able to name any of them) and that the racism is inherently built in.

Some of them have actual interesting answers. I don't have the link anymore and couldn't find it after a quick search so you'll have to take my word for it, but I found a great technical article once that explained how the fiasco about the crime prediction algorithms being racist towards black neighborhoods was due to optimization formulas converging on that conclusion based other variables not related to race. One of them was as simple as the police station was literally closer to a high crime area that happened to have a high black population, so the dispatch time was lower and the arrest rate was higher. Since the program correlated arrest rate with success it started predicting in communities with high black population even though the main contributing factor was dispatch time and proximity. White neighborhoods were out further and criminals tended to have more time to get away, leading to a lower success rate.

[Anonymous No.9678633]

>>9678630
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.9678636]

>>9678592
You're right. I hate Reddit because it, like every other site on the web save this one, is for normalfags, by normalfags. This means that people who aren't normalfags, and want a place to hang out away from them, go on 4chan. Problem is, Reddit and other sites have boards like /r/4chan, where people come to point and laugh at the non-normalfags. Then, their users, after seeing these places, come over to 4chan proper and shit up the place, and at the same time, making fun of anons because they're not normalfags. Like what you're doing now. Thus, it's natural that a group of outcasts that just want to be left alone to have their lulz will dislike a group of people who are compelled to invade their one remaining sanctuary. Sounds pathetic? Maybe it is, but that doesn't mean that you should be an asshole.

[Anonymous No.9678642]

>>9678592
i hate reddit because gamifying human interaction inherently leads to low-effort, low-quality content

[Anonymous No.9678644]

>>9676828
>Why does /sci/ hate this man?
We dont, SpaceX is a breath of fresh air in a very stale industry.

We do hate that he is so overhyped by the normies.

[Anonymous No.9678655]

>>9678642
Never heard it summed up so well. Thanks anon. I've always been trying to visualize why upvotes are cancer incarnate and that's it. That's why 4chan is better, but even some people still fish for (You)'s so it's not perfect, but it's better

[Anonymous No.9678660]

>>9678655
oh yeah, 4chan is by no means perfect. i dont criticize reddit because i think 4chan is the perfect counter-example, it definitely has problems. it's just less bad than reddit

[Anonymous No.9678694]

Burt rutan crushes elonk musk and is a proud anthro global warming denier
Rutan put the first commercial space plane in flight.
Musk is just loops holes and hype.

[Anonymous No.9678702]

>>9678655
>>9678660
How the fuck can you be here and claim it's "less bad" than reddit? The model of this site is deeply flawed because it doesn't account for that fact that those who most value its defining characters are the worst people alive. This model is only better in theory. In practice it attracts bottom of the barrel shit like pol in droves while educated, worthwhile posters leave for greener, more moderated pastures.

[Anonymous No.9678703]

>>9678565
because ais are only as good as the data that is fed to them, and most data availiable is racist

[Anonymous No.9678706]

>>9678702
because i've spent years on both sites and found myself way more disgusted with reddit than with 4chan.

reddit also has just as many shitty people as 4chan, they're just spread out across boards more

[Anonymous No.9678707]

>>9676828
I like that behind his carefully groomed sunnyboy-ironman-visionary-billionaire-image he is a ruthless capitalist that exploits his workers like nobody else in the industry and tries to cover up people dying because of inadequacies of his cars. I don't like the fact that people think he is a god who only speaks truth and holy words everybody must listen to.

[Anonymous No.9678774]

>>9678592
Go back to /ptg/
>>9678358
Is just a joke. Why you have to be mad?

[Anonymous No.9678790]

>thread starts with asking why elon musk is hated
>thread ends with discussing why reddit isnt bad
why am I even surprised

[Anonymous No.9678795]

>>9678790
we answered the question and the conversation drifted

[Anonymous No.9678799]

>>9676828
He over promises and under delivers on every project he undertakes while taking tax payer money and never gets held accountable.

[Anonymous No.9678903]

>>9677900
I never knew Reddit could be so retarded.

[Anonymous No.9678974]

>>9678565
Because facts are racist

[Anonymous No.9678977]

>>9678790
Saved

[Anonymous No.9678998]

>>9676828
Hes a charlatan

Tesla? Electric engines are easy as fuck to make, like any retard could do it

SpaceX? Nothing original

And dont get me started with the stupid ass ideas like the hypertube etc

Hes just a nerd with a big wallet and connections, having a cult like fanbase that think he will put us in Mars or something

[Anonymous No.9679013]

because unlike the denizens of /sci/ he is not poor and powerless

[Anonymous No.9679746]

Elon Musk has the same talent Jobs had, he is an extremely savvy marketer and an aggressive self-promoter. It doesn't matter if he actually delivers all of his promises, normies and pseuds already regard him as the "real life Tony Stark" a playboy genius or some shit like that. He is immersed in the same hype bubble that most of silicon valley is in, and no amount of criticism can diminish the influence that has on the average joe.

[Anonymous No.9679772]

>>9678379
>he is the most replaceable person in the building
Don't be retarded. Even if there were only say 10,000 engineers on the entire face of the Earth who could do Space-X work that would still be about 10,000 times the number of Elon Musks out there putting that much continued investment and direction towards private spaceflight initiatives.
At worst he's maybe sometimes the guy in the room with the least technical background (though even then he was accepted to complete a PhD in applied physics and materials science at Stanford University; he bailed on them after like a week or something but it still shows he's a bit more technically knowledgeable than what you're making him out as).

[Anonymous No.9679774]

>>9677851

The only thing taxpayer money is better spent on is combating climate change. Getting established in space trumps all other concerns.

[Anonymous No.9679776]

>>9679746
Elon Musk actually has some technical background, unlike Steve Jobs who was an actual con artist leeching off Steve Wozniak.

[Anonymous No.9679778]

>>9678395

Good thing rockets can do more than just go to Mars, then.

[Anonymous No.9679811]

>>9676834
first post best post
OP is a faggot

[Anonymous No.9679882]

>>9678613
are you retarded, m8? do you really believe that he, somehow, knows everything about the tech, his company, or anything? have you ever worked in your fucking life? businesses simply don't work like that. CEOs usually don't know the most basic shit about the technical stuff their companies do. being the public face of a company doens't mean shit.

[Anonymous No.9679929]

>>9679882
>CEOs usually don't know the most basic shit about the technical stuff their companies do.
No. That's retarded.
If you're a CEO you have at some point or another spent nontrivial amounts of time learning about the technical side of your business. You probably aren't a technical expert, but you sure as fuck have knowledge of it.

[Anonymous No.9679962]

>>9679929
>sure as fuck

lol
santa claus gives them magical knowledge every time
sure as fuck
lol
how can anyone be as gullible and simpleminded as you and still breathe

[Anonymous No.9679979]

>>9677813
>TESLA: Government subsidies
What electric vehicle manufacturer in the US is not subsidized?

>He didnt even manage to achieve first reusable rocket, that claim goes to BO.

You gotta add a fuckload of asterisks to claim BO did reusable first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnfNtjWp35s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuJ_jASXMVY

[Anonymous No.9679986]

>>9677921

Maybe because he's afraid of the AI realizing he's African and killing him along with all the useless niggers?

[Anonymous No.9680027]

>>9679774

We should be increasing the rate of climate change. End this fucking ice age already. Plants love more CO2, especially plants in dry climates. I hate people that live on the coast and think they should all die anyhow.

[Anonymous No.9680030]

>>9677997
yea still don't understand how society hasn't collectively understood solar panels aren't viable

[Anonymous No.9680074]

>>9679962
>magical knowledge
They're CEOs you retard.
If you're the chief executive of a major corporation then YES, you know how your technical operations work to a healthy degree.
Stop being such a contrarian retard. Yes, CEOs aren't working each day as engineers, but come on, they absolutely do not maintain total ignorance about the very shit that allows the massively burdensome responsibility which they think about and dream about 24 hours a day that is their company. You're confusing informed delegation with retardation.

[Anonymous No.9680085]

>>9680030
care to explain more? Yeah they're inefficient as hell, but they don't require any work to be done after installation beyond occasional cleaning and for the sun to be out.

so they take 10 years to turn a profit? put them someone where they get lots of sun and can be left alone, like on the tops of large commercial buildings that would otherwise be a waste of space.

[Anonymous No.9680304]

>>9676828

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[Anonymous No.9680313]

>>9680310
kek

[Anonymous No.9680411]

>>9679979
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnfNtjWp35s

New Shepard went above 100km, breaks down from a speed of 3000kmh, and lands safely with a hover landing. Falcon 9 goes a bit over 100km, breaks down from a speed of 4500kmh, and lands more or less safely with a slam landing. Grasshopper went like 50m an didn't break down at all, because it never reached any significant speeds. Falcon 9 landing is more impressive than New Shepard, but New Shepard is definetely impressive, too. Grasshopper is dog shit any enthusiast could build in his garage if he wanted to.

[Anonymous No.9680419]

>>9680304
based
>>9680306
>>9680310
holy fuck please tell me those are real quotes

[Anonymous No.9680432]

>>9680419
>holy fuck please tell me those are real quotes

[Anonymous No.9680442]

>>9680419
/sci/ attracts many redditors

[Anonymous No.9680446]

>>9680442
what do you expect, it's an elon musk thread

[Anonymous No.9680455]

>>9676886
>In five years there will be more luxury high-performance all-electric cars than you can count on both hands, all competing directly with Tesla and all the manufacturers are pouring millions on battery and automation tech, except they won't have to scale up like he has.

This is right on the money. By 2025, 2030 all the big manufacturers will have fully electric fleets and will be competing on price, manufacturing quality and image. Tesla as of right now has only image; their price isn't particularly good and largely sustained by the god awful manufacturing quality of the cars. Plus they don't have scale and/or experience with high volume high quality production.

As for the autonomous driving tech, that'll be all tier 2 supplier land by then (i.e. Bosch, Continental, ...).

>SpaceX will be successful for a lot longer I think.
Right on the money again.

>>9677716
This is a hugely interesting thought.

[Anonymous No.9680456]

>>9676834
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[Anonymous No.9680467]

>>9678644
This, fucking normies ruin everything.

[Anonymous No.9680476]

>>9680085
Let's assume a 30 year power production period, this seems to be what warranties will cover and what early adopters are reporting. Yes I realise the panels will likely work longer, but if they cant provide the full grid capacity they will need replacing.

>Having to replace your entire production grid on a 30 year basis
>Producing an entire grids worth of environment raping panels every 30 years

No fucking thanks. Give me nuclear or give me death.

[Anonymous No.9680487]

>>9680476
A nuclear power plant lasts 50-70 years, and needs constant uranium mining. Production and installation of PV panels aren't that expensive anymore, and once installed, you only have very low maintenance costs for the duration of the life cycle. I'd say PV panels and nuclear power are actually similar in the sense that they both are high fixed - low marginal cost, just that for PV the marginal cost is even lower and fixed costs are in free fall since a couple of years. If PV panels drop another 50% in price, they will be so cheap there really is no reason to not put them on any roof available.

There is also no environmental damage from Si-panels. The lead can be recycled 100% and there are no other toxic materials in there. Some thin film panels are more toxic, but they are also not mainstream. Most panels that are being produced are Si-panels.

[Anonymous No.9680677]

>>9676828
I dislike him because he's a businessman, who sells hype to his legions of sycophants most of the time; eg the hyperloop

>>9678592
>you can't get along in normal society.
This place was never for normalfags like you anyway

>You're likely all INCELS
as if anyone outside of /pol/ or /r9k/ really gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.9680683]

>>9680677
The concpet for vacuum-tunnel-maglevs is like a century old and can totally work, it's just expensive af.

[Anonymous No.9680686]

>>9676828
>robots from the future are already among us
Confirmed Accelerationist. In Land and Plant's "Circuitries", they specifically write about how schizophrenia is a machine disease which infects through time and space, and that schizophrenics are actually man-machine time travelers from the future, lost among our current biocentric, immunopolitics society.

There's no fucking other explanation for that statement. This makes Musk a fucking CCRU techno-humanist Accelerationist.

[Anonymous No.9680688]

>>9680683
>a vacuum tube several hundred kilometers can work
top kek
you know what happens when someone randomly makes a hole at literally any point in it?

[Anonymous No.9680702]

>>9680683
>vacuum-tunnel-maglevs is like a century old and can totally work
normal maglevs already work without a 600 mile long vacuum chamber and they aren't even commercially viable.
why would making the maglev more difficult to build and maintain, even if you could work out the safety/functionality issues, be worth it?

[Anonymous No.9680707]

>>9678592
where do you think we are?

[Anonymous No.9680709]

>>9680688
>>a vacuum tube several hundred kilometers can work

>>9680683
>you know what happens when someone randomly makes a hole at literally any point in it?
this

He is building in earthquake prone California.
Just 1 crack in the tube will depressurize it.

[Anonymous No.9680714]

>>9680688
You would obviously dig a tunnel, surface hyperloops are retarded. So how much it would end up costing would vary widely, since it heavily depends on the geology of the region. I could imagine a region with good circumstances for long tunnels could be something like <50 million per km. So for example building a hyperloop connecting Paris with London should be something like 25 billion, and would result in travel time of 30-45 minutes.

[Anonymous No.9680717]

>>9680688
>a vacuum tube several hundred kilometers can work

>>9680683
>you know what happens when someone randomly makes a hole at literally any point in it?
this

He is building in earthquake prone California.
Just 1 crack in the tube will cause a huge gradient in pressure.
which would cause an accident.

[Anonymous No.9680722]

>>9680714
>surface hyperloops are retarded
but earthquakes, or anything else that could fuck up the vacuum would still be affected even if it is underground

>I could imagine a region with good circumstances for long tunnels could be something like <50 million per km
the 1 km test track(which isn't even full size) already cost some 10 million dollars for the kilometer that it runs, putting things underground at best increases their cost 10 fold, which means you'd be paying about 100 million per km. and since hyperloop one wants to build a 600 mile long one in CA, or how musk wants to built one of 200-300 miles on the east coast, for them to be completely underground would be so expensive as to be prohibitive. No one wants to pay 10s of billions of dollars for something with this many complications for the benifit of maybe going twice as fast as a normal maglev

[Anonymous No.9680810]

>>9680722
>>9680717

Huge cost can be covered by a huge ridership. The faster the train is, the more people can ride it. So if a railway, highspeed-rail, maglev or vacuum-tunnel maglev makes sense completely depends on the expected size of the ridership and the site specific expected costs. The big advantage of maglevs over rail-to-road systems is that the maintenance cost does not depend so much on the size of the ridership. A railroad degrades more if you use it more, a maglev track not so much. So for very large expected riderships, maglevs are especially interesting, because they offer both a bigger ridership per hour and lower maintenance cost.

So for example, if you expect a ridership of 10 million rides per year between London and Paris, and an expected building cost of for example 30 billion, you would need to charge 50€ per ride to cover the building cost within 60 years. Now you also have some maintenance and operation cost, so let's say a two-way-ticket Paris-London is 150€.

So all in all, it would make sense for specific sites where you could expect a reasonably low building, cost and a very high ridership.

[Anonymous No.9680828]

>>9680810
no it wouldnt faggot. vacuum tubes are literally the most retarded way to transport people. its not significantly faster than maglev trains, and can carry less passengers. literally the only upside in hyperloop is that its a bit faster. which is only minimal aswell, to the point of being not really a pluspoint.
the negatives in turn are so fucking big that even if it turns out to be profitable by some fucking scifi magic, it still is greatly at danger every fucking second

[Anonymous No.9680858]

>>9680828
A vacuum tunnel a few dozen metres underground wouldn't face any real dangers. A maglev tops out at 600kmh top speed, a vacuum maglev can go multiple times that.

[Anonymous No.9680862]

>>9679772
So your evidence that he's not replaceable is that he's a rich ideas man? There's plenty of those out there.

[Anonymous No.9680881]

>>9680702
You could basically replace almost all continental air travel completely with a network of Maglev trains. Obviously the cost would be astronomical, but so would be the revenue. You would have literally billions of fairs every year, so you would generate revenue hundreds of billions high per year. Covering a few trillion building cost would be no issue. The only reason nobody is doing this is because it's risky, the technology is still kind of untested and there would be billions on the line. So we build shitty highway rails instead because it's the safer bet, and ride planes although they are very environmentally unfriendly.

the Chuo-Shinkansen will cost like 300 million per km. With this cost you could replace ALL of americas 265.000km railways with maglev trains for a cost of roughly 80 trillion. Now of course this sound ridiculously high, but you would be able to take over almost all of the market of the continental air flights (dozens of billions of revenue every year), a large chunk of on-road good transport through trucks (further dozens of billions), and a large chunk of passenger cars travelling the country (also dozens of billions of revenue each year), and of course all of the revenue of the railway system providers (close to 100 billion each year). So you would easily end up with a total revenue >300 billion each year, so paying for the whole system in a time frame of 1 century is entirely plausible without a too much financial burden for the society. And the upside is that the whole god damn railway system would be Maglevs going with 500kmh top speed. It literally cant be predicted how much economic growth and socio-cultural dynamics this will cause.

[Anonymous No.9682376]

>>9680881
why should we replace the air travel industry, something that has one of the highest safety ratings of any form of transportation due to the amount of research and experience surrounding it, with a technology that is both unproven and much more dangerous simply from the sheer inexperience we have with building and maintaining such an infrastructure?

[Anonymous No.9683224]

>>9677815
>mor like the marketing company. his retarded "tunnels for tesla cars" is so retarded, even experienced traffic planners call him out on it. What does he do? "no ur stupid ur experience and achievements dont count" once again showing his unlimited arrogance.
oh...because traffic works SOOO well in modern cities. HAHAHAHAH and you probably think its "the best we got" because someone with "experience" told you its like this.

Well, before musk nasa was telling everyone that you could not get to the moon for less than 100 billion dollars. And the stupid idiots believed them even tough the math was avaivable for everyone.

same for cities, anyone knows that what they do now is retarded and there are billions of ways to make it a traffic paradise, but only if you got money and smarts to fight hte political system

[Anonymous No.9683227]

>>9677877
>, they are selling it as a groundbreaking success that they were able to launch a rocket in a weight class that has been launched dozens of times before, and that only losing one rocket in the landing process is a good result
Lol what a pathetic way to describe something wrongly, ill fix that for you:

Their groundbreaking success was to launch a rocket thats currently the most powerful in the world and the cheapest... and is partially reusable which no other current orbital rocket has.

oh... and the only people who did a rocket of comparable power were goverment agencies with literally 1000 times more budget...

oh... and he did it all with style while getting the public interested back in space flight by being smart romantic poetic stylish and overall just a good human being


like literally, your shtity criticism of a man whos the only one doing real scientific breaktroghs in the XXI century (all of them major and at the same time) is an almost mathematical proof that youre either a payed ula shill (whos really bad at his job) or someone who doesnt have even the slightest scientifical education

[Anonymous No.9683232]

>>9680030
could the cost of $/watt be lowered to less than other sources? that's literally 100% the only question that need ansswered

[Anonymous No.9683236]

>>9683227
>like literally, your shtity criticism of a man whos the only one doing real scientific breaktroghs in the XXI century
please leave /sci/

[Anonymous No.9683242]

>>9683236
for what? being objectively right?

[Anonymous No.9683248]

I don't hate Elon Musk, I actually find what he's been doing is quite beneficial to science. He is making it "cool" and trying to revitalize a lot of industries most people stopped caring about. Everyone wants to get on the internet bandwagon, make the best website ever and sit on two million dollars the rest of their life after selling their site off to google or amazon. For most of my life, I barely met anyone interested in space travel or engineering autonomous cars (I met a shit ton of "car guys" in the past, but they came from mechanical engineering backgrounds; while this is essential to driverless cars as well, it is more of a computer science field). Even if he says whacky shit like "A.I. will kill us all!" or "We will colonize Mars in our lifetime", who really cares? I doubt he believes that but is only saying that to incentivize people to join these speculated fields of science.

[Anonymous No.9683321]

>>9678630
this seems very 'ad hoc'.

surely not every police station happens to be nearby to black neighbourhoods, and that there just so happens to be completely black neighbourhoods and white neighbourhoods.

[Anonymous No.9683351]

>>9678790

[Anonymous No.9683370]

[Anonymous No.9683372]

>>9678592
Kek i'm a normalfag but don't need to make a big deal about it on a fucking anonymous malaysian mouse husbandry board. Shit screams reddit

[Anonymous No.9683373]

>>9676856
Like what does he say about it

[Anonymous No.9683535]

He has literally designed and engineered his image to be an idol to engineering soyboys.

[Anonymous No.9684780]

>>9678379
>he is the most replaceable person in the building
>the man with the means and the vision to start the company is replaceable
No. The company wouldn't even exist without that man.

>the man who sets the goals and aspirations of the company that must be realistic enough to achieve but aspirational enough to drive aerospace advancement.
No. Without that man you have a bunch of engineers in a building collecting a paycheck and doing nothing innovative for 30 years. See LM/Boeing/ULA

>the idealist willing to bet his entire fortune to make his dream a reality and aspires for a goal, not absolute profit.
Without that man you have a company that goes under completely when it has several consecutive failures and is deemed not profitable

If it doesn't go under you have a company that focuses on the highest ROI and cash flow for future business. no incentive to drive costs down because if you have a $400M rocket and the customers are willing to pay for it, why would you make one cheaper? See ULA

>the man with long term goals that requires significant and timely milestones to even get close to achieving those goals.
Without that man you have a company that sits and spins its wheels for two decades not doing anything important, despite near infinite cash flow. See Blue Origin.

tl;dr you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about commie scum. Go fuck yourself in a potato field.

[Anonymous No.9684789]

>>9678583
see:
>>9684780
>people get behind common goals and a vision by magic, all business owners do is sign checks.
Typical socialist (let the workers own the companies) fantasy land bullshit. if """the workers""" were capable of doing the things that a company like SpaceX headed by a man like Musk are doing, they would arise from the "workers" and exist already.

They don't and they can't. Socialism and communal ownership is stupid. You are stupid.

Also, citations needed.

[Anonymous No.9684795]

>>9677851
Because that money is better spent on ULA rockets that cost 3-5x as much per mission?

You're a fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.9684838]

>>9678358
more like /sci/ in 2018. I dont see that autist on other boards

[Anonymous No.9684840]

>>9678565
because they are not biased by political correctness and lefty propaganda.

[Anonymous No.9684842]

>>9679811
saved

[Anonymous No.9684844]

>>9678379
>>9678583
fuck off reddit commies

[Anonymous No.9685251]

>>9677813
>Government subsidies
Better to subsidize companies providing innovatin than shitty legacy companies like GM who can't keep their shit together doing nothing impressive.

>glorified lane keep assist.
Exactly what it is claimed to be.

>He didnt even manage to achieve first reusable rocket, that claim goes to BO.
Worthless distinction. SpaceX had the first reusable orbital rocket that could take meaningfful payload and didn't have assloads of upkeep and horrendous turn around.

New Shepard is a worthless novelty and BO/Bezos has had about as much impact on the aerospace industry as Virgin Galactic (Read: Zero)

Meanwhile in less than 20 years SpaceX has completely disrupted the launch market top to bottom and provides the cheapest ride to orbit per unit mass. Blue Origin hasn't even made it to orbit and has been around longer.

NASA had a partially reusable orbital rockets with the STS program. It was just horrendously expensive and had long turn around times.

McDonnell Douglas literally beat BO to the arbitrary "hurr reuseable tail landing rocket" goal with the DC-X. BO hasn't done anything original of note, not one thing.

>He has yet to prove "muh reusability", he still launches the rocketd like twice at max,
Reputability was under development and testing proof of concept with Block 3 and 4 F9 1.1's.
He literally has proven the ability to partially reuse an orbital rocket.
Block 5 was always going to be the full reuseability rocket and it is flying this month.

>so they are definitely not
The rockets that are reuseable and have been reused definitely are not reusable. Ok, got it. You're a moron.

>Musk doenst even has the capacity to launch that many satellites
F9/H can easily launch multiples of payloads. BFR is being built with the multilaunch of payloads as a key feature. Trying to base future plans on present capabilities when a company like SpaceX is advancing and growing so quickly again shows how stupid you are.

[Anonymous No.9685273]

>>9685251
>>glorified lane keep assist.
>Exactly what it is claimed to be.
lol
>He didnt even manage to achieve first reusable rocket, that claim goes to BO.
Worthless distinction. SpaceX had the first reusable orbital rocket that could take meaningfful payload and didn't have assloads of upkeep and horrendous turn around.
>i-it doesnt count!!
I bet you gonna cry too and say "muh technically spacex was first" when new glenn makes the first launches
>Block 5 was always going to be the full reuseability rocket and it is flying this month.
>a-any time now!!! its only been like what? one year delay? not that much if you ask me

>The rockets that are reuseable and have been reused definitely are not reusable. Ok, got it. You're a moron.
and yet it hasnt "halved the launch cost" like mr musk claims. also, one fucking reuse literally means nothing
>F9/H can easily launch multiples of payloads. BFR is being built with the multilaunch of payloads as a key feature. Trying to base future plans on present capabilities when a company like SpaceX is advancing and growing so quickly again shows how stupid you are
and growing its debt kek
also literally almost any rocket can launch multiple satellites retard
the problem is that launching more satellites that are even currently in orbit is more than spacex could ever afford kek
and whos gonna pay for the internet? muskfags who are in the outback? or retarded idiots who think spacex's satellite internet will be somehow faster and better than the fiberglass 100mbps connection with 20ms ping?

[Anonymous No.9685549]

>>9683321
>that there just so happens to be completely black neighbourhoods and white neighbourhoods.
Do you go out much?

[Anonymous No.9685555]

>>9677851
did you get that from breitbart? lmao

[Anonymous No.9685559]

>>9683227
you sound like you want to suck his dick you faggot

[Anonymous No.9685611]

>>9685251
What New Shepard did was a supersonic retropropulsion. That has never been done on earth before (it has been done on the moon and Mars). Soyboys will forever be mad that BO beat them to it, but so it remains in the history books. You can argue that what SpaceX did was a bit more difficult, but that doesn't change the fact that BO did it first. If a second nation is going to land on the moon and does it in a more impressive way than the US, that doesn't change the fact that the US did it first.

BO already has launch contracts and a supply-contract with ULA is in the making. They already are having an impact. The only reason why BO didn't put a small shit rocket like the Falcon 9 on the market is because they don't need the revenue from that. They are already concentrating on the real thing (e.g. next generation liquid methan, highly re-usable rockets). With the New Glenn, they also have a rocket that can easily be scaled up to produce a rocket similar in payload to the BFR, should that be necessary. Theoretically, a 3-core-New Glenn should already achieve similar payloads to the BFR.

[Anonymous No.9685640]

>>9676842
>At least it's not Steve Jobs they'll be larping in the future.
>Imagine the absurdity of completing a two-week contract under a Jobs-like CEO for a small advertising firm.

[Anonymous No.9685645]

>>9679776
Without Steve Jobs, nobody would know who Steve Wozniak is. Without Steve Wozniak, still everybody would know who Steve Jobs is.

[Anonymous No.9686108]

>>9685549
i live in a predominantly white country heh

[Anonymous No.9686115]

>>9685611

>They are already concentrating on the real thing (e.g. next generation liquid methan, highly re-usable rockets

New Glenn upper stage is not reusable. BFR is the only fully reusable rocket under development.

[Anonymous No.9686121]

Inferiority complex. If i cant be him, i will hate him

[Anonymous No.9686130]

>>9678592
It's been recognized by wise and succsesful men of all time that enjoying interacting with and or being like the majority of people means you are also an idiot

[Anonymous No.9686152]

>>9686115
There is no point in re-using a second stage that costs 6 million if you have to burn up heat shields costing millions, like the BFS does.

[Anonymous No.9686154]

>>9686130
Something tells me youre low IQ. Reddit is not the majority of society. Jesus christ you newfags should be genocided

[Anonymous No.9686319]

>>9676828
Started off strong, but now only does stupid publicity stunts.

[Anonymous No.9686500]

>>9676828
Dammit Musk...
Stop trying to go to Mars and instead make power suits!!

[Anonymous No.9688378]

>>9676828

God I love Musk he's a fucking hero of 21C
his inventions will revolutionalize the world just like dear Steven Jobs
They are literally like the rockstars of the industry.
Hard work and dedication, innovativeness versus mediocrity of the World.
I wish him all the best despite the hate on this retarded board full of frustrates.

[Anonymous No.9688815]

>>9678525
If we were able to continually build outwards from our Lagrange point it would be better than just going straight to an uninhabitable planet, which we may or may not be able to terra fomr

[Anonymous No.9688831]

>>9680306
There's no way black science man said this