/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9664228]

>tfw you were the smartest in highschool
>everyone was amazed by how effortless shit was to you, especially math and physics
>highest equivalent to gpa in the whole grade(im in germany)
>everyone says: just wait until you go to uni, then it wont be the same
>"eh, how bad can it be? its not like only the smartest go to uni"
>first semester
>speed 10x faster than in school
>fail 2/4 modules on first try
>tfw you realize you were never smart
>tfw you realize you were a brainlet all along
anyone else know this feel?

[Anonymous No.9664234]

Why do people think grades measure intelligence? Sure there's probably a statistical correlation because smart kids from good families tend to be trained into worshiping academic performance, but for any given individual it's a worthless measurement. You get good grades by being an obedient sheep (possessing "work ethic" if you want to put a delusional, positive spin on it), not by being smart. You may or may not be smart -- either way, your grades won't tell you that.

[Anonymous No.9664247]

>>9664228
Yep

[Anonymous No.9664254]

>>9664228
No

[Anonymous No.9664259]

>>9664228
Maybe you should study, faggot.

[Anonymous No.9664298]

>>9664247
>>9664254
hmmm
>>9664259
I do study, faggot
If I wasnt studying, i wouldnt complain

[Anonymous No.9664303]

>>9664298
Try harder

[Anonymous No.9664306]

>>9664228
Where I come from, if your goal is math and physics heavy fields you're made to feel that way from high school, you go to university or special schools with the mindset of a bloodied rugged veteran guerrilla warrior, you know shit is real and you act accordingly.

[Anonymous No.9664308]

>>9664306
eastern yurop?

[Anonymous No.9664313]

>>9664228
University was full of brainlets, it was only after I started working that I was suddenly surrounded by intelligent people

[Anonymous No.9664339]

>>9664306
No, Morocco actually, educational system is shit, curricula of math specialties in the high school level is so broad and deep that by the final year of high school you get to see pretty much everything that college students in the north Americas would have.
Essentially you're on your own once in high school, university ends up feeling like your natural habitat.

[Anonymous No.9664341]

>>9664339 was meant for >>9664308

[Anonymous No.9664348]

>>9664228
Yep haha, that's the reason I flunked out of uni the first round. I was depressed that I wasn't getting straight As when I spent all my free time looking at porn and playing WoW.

I went back at 25 after learning a work ethic from wageslaving. I approach all my classes that I'm above average but not a genius like I thought and will have to do work if I want an A.

[Anonymous No.9664353]

>>9664306
Same here and >>9664308 yes eastern eu

[Anonymous No.9664359]

>>9664228
>was dumbest tool in HS
>almost a flunkie
>got into university because in my country it's easy to get there, specially shit like math that no-one wants to do
>shit makes sense
>no bullshit like in HS
>actually compelled to try
>mfw straight fucking As
>top of my class
the future is bright

[Anonymous No.9664364]

>>9664359
>t. literature major
if its a stem field i somehow really doubt that you got bad grades in math etc. because it heavily relies on highschool stuff, at least in my country

[Anonymous No.9664368]

>>9664228
I have a buddy in high school who was the high school's valedictorian. He failed his first two semesters of college and lost his scholarships. Don't know how he got through school but eventually he studied law and became a judge in New York state.

I'm sure it happens to a lot of people.

[Anonymous No.9664372]

>>9664364
Well I looked exams and programs from US universities and at least linear algebra and intro to analysis here is like honor classes there. You get introduced to it in a "forget all you think you knew" way. So being good at calculus for example would not help you with intro to analysis since suddenly you are studying cauchy convergence and such.

But anyway, even if it was the case (which I assume it is for engineering anyway), I don't see how anyone that puts in a bit of effort wouldn't be able to close the gap quickly, it's HS math ffs.

[Anonymous No.9664390]

>>9664228
i dont know where you live, but high school in America is a joke.
and many universities are as well.
if you passed HS effortlessly it just means your not tyrone

[Anonymous No.9664393]

>>9664298
get gud, faggot
study every day dont just try to cram it all into one night before an exam or quiz

[Anonymous No.9664398]

>>9664368
Law is for brainlets

[Anonymous No.9664417]

i did this and completely tanked my gpa freshman year
i thought i was so smart and didn't have to go to class because it was only for normies

[Anonymous No.9664455]

>>9664228
Same here, anon, but I also dropped out and now I am shitting my pants hoping not to meet any of my hs classmates or teachers because of shame..

[Anonymous No.9665470]

it's because you were always a brainlet, you were never bright-you were just a sponge. people can sponge motivation & information and spew it back out, you probably never made anything new, nor any new idea, in your entire life. You would have realized life isn't about what people tell you to do-it's what you create. True, you can put on an amazing play, make money, and buy physics equipment with it; false, you can do everything everyone tells you what to do and you have a mind.

[Anonymous No.9665659]

>>9664298
You need to put effort into structuring your study time more efficiently. Brainlets entering uni are good at this because they actually had to try in high school, but you didn’t - you skated by on bad habits and never had to strain. Now these brainlets have always strained, they were born in it, forged by it.

You were not, and only now are you struggling due to these inadequacies. Check out the Learning How to Learn course, or just search around for notes from it. Make sure to apply these strats, not just read them and forget them. That’s a start, at least.

[Anonymous No.9665668]

>>9664228
People said the same to me, but I am still the top of my class. I am at a top ten school too.

[Anonymous No.9665674]

>>9664339
Oh, so you do real analysis and algebra? Any measure theory? How about algebraic geometry?

[Anonymous No.9665716]

>>9664228
school is designed for literally retards to have to study, uni is for normal people like us to have to study.

[Anonymous No.9665883]

>>9664228
Omg me
with addition of major anxiety and other shit

>high school
>literally only study 30min before class starts
>fuck around during class and labs
>care more about being liked and having fun
>people think im a genius
>smash As in almost every class including AP calc and physics
>get 4 on AP test but retard uni puts me in calc1 anyway
>realize high school didnt teach me half the shit in calc1 (they didnt even do definition of a derivative, just gave us the formula)
>also high school didnt teach stats or in depth trig
>wtfisthehalfangleequation.png
>manage to squeak out an A bc my professor didnt care about rigor
>still kind of cocky tho
>calc 2, get a C- on the first test
>massive anxiety kicks in
>every class feel like everyone else is laughing at me even tho in reality the average was in the 60s, which I was still above
>cant study or think straight
>cant remember anything from class or the book
>struggle to engage with the material
>everyday feel like an imposter in my classes
>bomb 2nd semester, kicked out of honors college
rip me. got weeded out by calc2 brainlet filter

[Anonymous No.9666197]

>>9664339
I have a cousin from Morocco that said similar. He said if you go the stem route you're expected to know calc 2 by the time you graduate high school. That's the standard.

[Anonymous No.9666210]

>>9665883
>AP calc and physics

I've encountered someone before who bragged about taking AP classes in highschool and ended up failing out of engineering. The guy was an insufferable cunt and had it coming. Not saying you are or anything, it's just funny how full of themselves people from highschool can be. Meanwhile, I went to a small town highschool and shit tier university and I'm doing fine in my grad studies at arguably the best university in my field.

[Anonymous No.9666214]

>>9664228
No.

[Anonymous No.9666221]

>>9664228
Kids who do well in high school because they're smart do worse in college because they literally don't know how to study

I did HORRIBLE my first year even though I got straight A's in high school without much effort. I had to learn to study for once

You can do it anon it's just a lot of work. Stop trying to slide by on raw talent alone

[Anonymous No.9666391]

>>9664228
For me it was the other way round
>Tfw smart but lazy in school
>Took politics, history and language courses as electives for A- levels (also german)
>For some reason end up studying physics
>Had to work my ass of with all the maths i didnt know but was required for first sem. Literally had to relearn what an integral is.
>However now im in top 15% of my year and would be better if it wasnt for the weak grades in my first sem
>Feelsgoodman.jpg

>still empty inside and dont know what do do after my masters
>Hold me /sci/

[Anonymous No.9666401]

>>9666214
(You)r meme is only valid in Humanities Courses

[Anonymous No.9666445]

>>9665659
that makes sebse, ty
Im always REEEing at my classmates who are retarded at doing stuff, I help them all the time with their homework, but when the test comes they get a better score and im just REEEEing more

[Anonymous No.9666452]

I was okay in school and above average in uni (physics). However, I still do my own math and read papers weekly, read books almost daily, follow up with the scientistics and mathematicans of my interest, while the best guy in our semester in now married and works in a bank (energy sector is similar). At the risk of sounding like your typical anon: skills don't matter if you are a cuck. Especially nerdy guys with dominant girlfriends (dominant as in she mostly determines where they life, abd they have kids if she wants to have some (no matter his imperatives))

[Anonymous No.9666588]

>tfw you are the smartest in uni
>everyone is amazed by how effortless shit is to you, especially math
>professors are contacting you to be your PhD advisor even though you're just an undergrad
>tfw when you're actually a brainlet and have no idea how you've managed to fool everyone for so long
>tfw when you shiver at the thought of new subjects because you know this is the time you're not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.9666718]

>>9665883
Everyone hits that wall, whether it's at precalc, calc2, or real analysis. You're supposed to not give up and withdraw from the course or buckle down and study harder. You can still bounce back and try again at a non-snowflake college.

[Anonymous No.9666721]

>>9666197
Not like that's much different from the true situation in most places. AP Calc BC is basically calc 1 and 2 (supposedly), and if you don't have at least the capability to get a 3 on the Calc BC exam after preparation then you'll likely flunk in any STEM field.

[Anonymous No.9666725]

>>9666210
JEEZUS fuck this. This is basically every generic memer middle class kid from a stable family ever. They can be found in most underclassmen classes still talking about their APs and other high school "achievements" in college like it matters even the tiniest bit after you get admitted. They're usually btfo mid-semester in calculus 2 or after the first exam in multivariable because they have no discipline.

[Anonymous No.9666744]

>>9664228
Was studierst du (und wo)?

[Anonymous No.9666753]

>>9666721
> the capability to get a 3 on the Calc BC exam
I don´t understand how grading in Morocco works, and I dont think anyone else here does That is a 3 out of 5, or what?

[Anonymous No.9666805]

>>9666744
>inplying I would tell you
anon, I...

[Anonymous No.9666813]

>>9664228
Yeah kinda the same, in school i never had to learn and just had A-B grades, even had an A grade in mathematics in my diploma.

Then anxiety, depression and social phobia kicked in and now iam a Hartz 4 NEET, application for Grundsicherung is already in the work.

I feel like my life is already over but maybe i can arrange myself with being a total loser, at least i have like minded people on imageboards.

[Anonymous No.9666816]

>>9666813
Oh and iam 26 already, never worked or made a training. So all there would be for me is bydlo jobs anyways now since nobody would employ someone who never worked and has no training.

GG

[Anonymous No.9666824]

>>9666816
damn dude, you're fucked
I started going to uni at 18 so if I didnt fuck up my first semester I would have been done right after I turned 21, but now a finishing age of 22-23 seems more realistic

[Anonymous No.9666832]

>>9666824
It's ok i guess, iam telling myself that normal life isnt for me and that i need to search a non-mainstream way. At least i have much free time so i can dwell on my hedonistic feelings.

Sadly iam a social reclusive though but my social phobia prevents me from doing that anyways.

Would still love to have more money so i dont have that feel that i could lose everything anytime.

[Anonymous No.9666836]

>>9664228
I bet you thought the fact you were at least smart made up for your lack of social life in school too. Now you're both dumb and worthless (in a social sense, as intellectual dumbness counts as worthless in a general sense)

[Anonymous No.9666948]

>>9666836
OP here
no need to overgeneralize buddy, just because you are unable to be social doesnt mean others are. I had and still have enough friends in school/uni.

[Anonymous No.9667068]

>>9664228
Because your high school is shit. High school for me was hard as fuck and I barely made to MOP.

[Anonymous No.9667070]

How do I overcome this issue? Being high school genius then uni brainlet?

[Anonymous No.9667078]

>>9666718
>non-snowflake college
Got me.

[Anonymous No.9667915]

>>9665883
I'm with you anon, did everything including calc 2 in HS and before I was even out I realised they had taught us about half of the actual work.
I genuinely still feel cheated as fuck when I look back on it, but I guess in a broad curriculum they don't have the time

[Anonymous No.9667987]

>>9664228
no
america is shit, you're lucky klaus

[Anonymous No.9668005]

>>9666214
This meme is only valid if you are sucking the teacher's collective dicks.

[Anonymous No.9668008]

>>9666401
>implying you can't derive calculus from its foundations on its own

The world is yours to interpret, friendo, if you can't build the CAD software from scratch, after assembling the computer using minerals you've mined yourself, then you are not fit to be an Engineer.

[Anonymous No.9668010]

>>9666805
you could at least say was

[Anonymous No.9668039]

>>9668010
compsci/economics

[Anonymous No.9668048]

>>9664228
Failing modules doesn't and falling behind doesn't mean you aren't smart. It means you are lazy. You are finally being challenged and you dropped the ball. Rework your priorities and learn how to study efficiently. Manage time and energy better.

[Anonymous No.9668049]

>>9668048
thanks anon
I do admit I was a lazy faggot in the first semester
I actually passed one of the two modules because It was for a field I am very interested in and know a lot about

[Anonymous No.9668063]

>>9664228
Alter, Abi heutzutage ist einfach viel zu leicht, kein Wunder das immer mehr Erstis denken sie wären der nächste Einstein.

[Anonymous No.9668077]

>>9664228
>Doesn't study
>Doesn't pay attention and take notes
>Fails because of his laziness

[Anonymous No.9668095]

>>9668077
im not THAT lazy, retard
at the exams i never had a point where I thought "oh fuck, how do I silve/answer this", its just I always somehow fuck it up

[Anonymous No.9668695]

You're just not used to learning, that's all - in school you focus more on memorizing stuff but that doesn't suffice to pass (most) college exams where you rather need to learn in order to really understand concepts.

[Anonymous No.9668701]

>>9668077
Let me continue:
> thinks he's just a dumbass
> studies even less because you can't change being dumb
> complains on 4chan on being a brainlet
> puts even more effort in not studying
> passes off as dumb

[Anonymous No.9668755]

>>9668063
Das stimmt.

[Anonymous No.9668766]

>>9664228
>you were the smartest in highschool
>In uni you aren't the smartest but you are still on par with the most talented guys

not bad

[Anonymous No.9668843]

>>9668063
*dass
Wenigstens Ersti richtig geschrieben

[Anonymous No.9668848]

>mediocre in high school
>totally changed my discipline after having to do a big project(W seminar) in two weeks and thinking I fucked it up(got a B lol)
>now one of the best in my grade in uni
I dont really care much
Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall

[Anonymous No.9668901]

My biggest problem is when profs go through things in class, it seems so sensible and logical that I dont really think much about it. They make it seem easy. Then I dont practice bc I think I understand it and cant do it on the tests. The difference between understanding and doing is huge

[Anonymous No.9668912]

>>9664228
I know this feel except I failed in high school and sortof worked my way up from there and the transition to uni was pretty smooth

[Anonymous No.9668922]

>>9668901
You're confusing knowledge and understanding. A lecture in class gives you knowledge, applying that is what gives understanding. Walk out of every lecture and try to apply what you just learned. Whether or not you think you have to. I don't even mean homework all the time. Learn an interesting part of English? look for it in the next article you read. If it's not there, think how you would put it in. Math is easy, try the home work, especially the middle and end problems that are harder. Do this with every subject and things will stick in your head better, you'll recognize the things you need to brush up on or study, and you'll start doing better on tests.

[Anonymous No.9668926]

>>9668922
another problem, especially in math courses is that they give you easy to follow examples and you think "huh thats easy and understandable"
but then the test arrives and you're just sitting there and thinking "fuck..."

[Anonymous No.9668928]

>>9664228
>Didn't study in highschool and got straight A's.
>Go to uni, CS and maths double major.
>First semester I worked very hard for it, straight A's.
>Second semester got cocky and lazy, only do the parts of assignments everyone else struggle with because it feels nice to be one of the few that solves them and explains to everyone.
>Study about 4-6 hours for exams while others study days.
>Still get only A's and some B+.
>Constantly lie about the time I spend studying for exams as people who literally studied 10-20 times I did get lower grades.

top 50 scoring university in CS by world rankings too.

[Anonymous No.9668930]

>>9668928
(((doubt)))
please tell us the name of the uni anon

[Anonymous No.9668931]

>>9668930
Nope, if any of my friends frequents this place I'd get instantly recognized.

[Anonymous No.9668934]

>>9668931
so its a private uni?
this doesnt count anon, im sorry to tell you

[Anonymous No.9668936]

>>9668934
Nope, but there are not many who study maths and CS double major here. The rest of my comment is indicative enough.

Why would private unis not count? (don't know much about them)

[Anonymous No.9668942]

>>9668039
danke

[Anonymous No.9668956]

>>9668936
>top 50 cs uni
>he says there are so few cs-math majors that hes the only one whos good
(((doubt))) increases

[Anonymous No.9668961]

I'm writing my masters dissertation in machine learning to finish my CS degree and it's complete brainlet mode. I don't remember shit about calculus or anything I learned in first years. Anyone has sames?

[Anonymous No.9668962]

>>9668961
dude you got to your fucking masters dissertation, youre not a brainlet either way

[Anonymous No.9668997]

Same situation but I still get average grades. However, a few weeks after the exam when I think back on the material I realize I forgot everything and probably didn't learn anything properly. I just memorized everything without having a true deep understanding of the material. It feels like I'm just wasting this education.

[Anonymous No.9669056]

>>9664298
Hold on anon. The first year is always the hardest. You just have to find your own method for effective revision. Some ppl get it on the fly and sometimes it takes a lot longer.

[Anonymous No.9670618]

>>9668008
only good post in thread except the fact that op is a soul sucking zombie

[Anonymous No.9671132]

>>9664359
2.7 GPA in HS
3.9 GPA for BSc Biochemistry

It turns out giving the slightest damn about what you do has a positive impact on your ability to function, who knew

[Anonymous No.9671372]

>>9664228
>tfw the other way around for me
>live in 3rd world shithole where your whole school life is built around standardized tests, go to nerd school where everyone's sole purpose in life is to place in the top 100/1000 in the uni entrance exams
>could never have the patience to sit down and plow through books full of tests all day after school
>end up skipping school frequently because I could never keep up with it, bury myself deeper down in the process
>since our system's so shit we even used to have private cram schools in the weekends, never bothered with those so got left behind all the more
>somehow get by and end up with marks in the entrance exams good enough to place into one of the top unis here
>now I'm just about to graduate and still everything seems to effortless while everyone else is crumbling, and I feel an abyss inside me as I find my whole life revolving around petty coursework which I would have scoffed at years ago

[Anonymous No.9671408]

>>9664228
first year was hell for me but in the end i got almost best grade on diploma so dont worry and keep trying

[Anonymous No.9671705]

>>9666836
The existence of socially popular smart people in highschool means being smart has no value after all.

[Anonymous No.9672219]

>>9664228
>mediocre in hs
>mediocre in college
>doomed for a life of mediocrity in general
i'll never do anything of worth with my life ever

[Anonymous No.9672257]

>>9672219
Why worry about being mediocre? If you're trying to do something worthwhile to -you-, all that will matter is pushing yourself further, because you want to do it. Even if you fail at every last effort, would your life have been better if you didn't try?

[Anonymous No.9672284]

>>9672219
youre falling for media propaganda. this 'fear of being mediocre' is an implanted fear. its an engineered insecurity so you can be sold on dumb bullshit, meaningless consumerist garbage.

get a job. buy a house. raise a family. live the dream.

[Anonymous No.9672297]

>>9666725
Even better, he got btfo in first semester. Like calc 1 and physics 1 got him.