/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9662230]

ITT we try to be as brainlet as possible, I will start
>"Scientism"

[Anonymous No.9662235]

>"math is invented not discovered".

[Anonymous No.9662240]

"one ex"

[math] 1x [/math]

[Anonymous No.9662255]

>>9662240
>what is ring theory

[Anonymous No.9662327]

>>9662235

>Math is just philosophy
>Programming is philosophy
>Everything is philosophy

[Anonymous No.9662353]

>Finitism

[Anonymous No.9662368]

>>9662235
Erm, well you might as well say that we 'discovered' the correct sail for a boat, and that when someone patented it they might as well have just been given an award and no money, for the correct sail of the boat was something inherit to the universe and therefor it is unproductive to consider economic value toward it without considering the universal right of the object to exist without any forceful monetary treatment only existent in Hell.

[Anonymous No.9662380]

>>9662327
Well everything is indeed just an extension of our inherit cognition, and only an extension, for when we outreach we must use the versatile cognitive motion of our brains to develop toward a stronger society in the whole. And instead of calling it cognition we might as well call if philosophy if the meaning is well understood, and indeed the meaning is well understood. So we will call it philosophy and that is the correct judgment in this discussion.

[Anonymous No.9662393]

0.999999... = 1

[Anonymous No.9662397]

1+2+3+4+... = -1/ 12.

[Anonymous No.9662398]

>>9662380
Then you have a definition that is so broad it is nearly meaningless and means all living things with a brain are philosophers and the term "studying philosophy" becomes meaningless.

[Anonymous No.9662402]

>>9662230
>the wave function is conscious of observation
>Quantum mechanics proves that...
>the universe is like one big brain
>math is real

[Anonymous No.9662407]

>>9662353
Well it is a well balanced argument to suppose that mathematics in the infinite is inherently fictional, for every definition and every proof we make for infinity is by negation, a directly reversed process than what we desire. And when every thing on this earth and in this universe is inherently finite, it only begs the question as to why would one ever choose to live in a world where the infinite exists.
Of course the infinite is mathematically sound, but it is not a cardinal: only an idea.

[Anonymous No.9662413]

>Relativity is a Jewish conspiracy
>magnetism is caused by stars
>irrational numbers don't exist

>>9662393
Nice bait

[Anonymous No.9662416]

>>9662407
>only an idea.
Just like everything else in math

[Anonymous No.9662417]

>>9662398
But indeed No that is wrong, for if we take a step towards glory when it miles ashore is it a step worth taking. Of Course it is and indeed we must take it, for when we do we achieve the perfect state of being.
When we notice that everything is inherently philosophical, we become self-aware of our cognition's existence and ever-activeness: the exact step separating Man from the animals. And by doing so we achieve Glory for all in the world.

[Anonymous No.9662426]

>Black hole singularity

[Anonymous No.9662433]

>>9662407
>every thing on this earth and in this universe is inherently finite,
Brainlet. At least learn some highschool physics before posting bullshit

[Anonymous No.9662447]

>>9662416
In developing the ideas in this world, we must put them into the proper categories, for to not do so would simply promote sophistry and nothing more. To be more explicit with my first response in this scenario, I was noting that stating that the infinite is a cardinal is a misjudgement so inherit to the foundation of the term, for the infinite is naturally thought up as an aim of the path, not as part of the path to step upon.
My argument is to view the infinite in its proper meaning and to strike it under this lens, for too many a student becomes misguided and attempts to view the infinite as a bonefide cardinal term.

[Anonymous No.9662450]

>>9662413
Its amazing how /pol/ will reject hundred year old proven science because the person who proposed it was Jewish.

[Anonymous No.9662451]

>the earth is round

[Anonymous No.9662453]

>>9662417
Kek, very convincing brainlet impersonating.

[Anonymous No.9662472]

>>9662230
>atheism

[Anonymous No.9662479]

>>9662472
So you are pretending to be an atheist or a theist talking about atheism?

[Anonymous No.9662487]

>>9662398
>and the term "studying philosophy" becomes meaningless
Now you get it

[Anonymous No.9662490]

>>9662450
More often they reject it at first but when presented with evidence that GR is legit, they then try and claim that Einstein just plagiarized all of it. So then the conspiracy becomes "Relativity is fake but Einstein hijacked these false ideas from legitimate goy physicists." Hilarious, really.

[Anonymous No.9662493]

>And a press is and a press, you can't say it's only half.

[Anonymous No.9662972]

>>9662235
waw math es so difficukt...... mus be maed by god

[Anonymous No.9662988]

>>9662368
>correct sail
Is there one correct sail? I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.9662999]

>>9662972
No, more like mathematics are independent of any one culture's superficial syntax because concepts like 1+1=2 aren't invented.

[Anonymous No.9663001]

>>9662402
>Astrophysics miscalculations.
>Calculations don't match with observations.
It's Dark energy

[Anonymous No.9663006]

>>9662999
>humans do something similar
>therefore objective truth

ok mongoloid

[Anonymous No.9663009]

>"I study category theory"

[Anonymous No.9663010]

> Phylosophy is superior than science and math
> because you dunnonufin.

[Anonymous No.9663022]

>>9662230
>Bill Nye is greater than Einstein
>Since he Nye is gay and feminist
>Einstein was A Cis male pig

[Anonymous No.9663024]

>>9663006
Not just humans, reality in general. Multiple species of non-human animals have been found to have a concept of numbering and physical reality behaves predictably when the concept of numbers is applied.
>b-but you just made up the numbers to match physical reality!
No, physical reality follows what mathematical approaches predict without those approaches having been intended to say anything about the physical world. Because mathematics aren't some arbitrary set of random nonsense and are instead features of reality you can discover and use as shortcuts for prediction.

[Anonymous No.9663031]

>>9663024
nice motte and bailey. went from mathematics are useful tools used to make predictions to mathematics are objective truths.

>physical reality follows what mathematical approaches predict without those approaches having been intended to say anything about the physical world

[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.9663046]

>>9662230
>I'm a CS major
>Why I need Calculus? It's useless and so hard. Boolean algebra is enough math.
>I just wanna make Muh games, phone apps and websites copying and paste from stack overflow. Lol.

[Anonymous No.9663055]

>>9662479
>implying agnostics don't hate atheists

[Anonymous No.9663081]

>>9663031
Here you go, brainlet-chan:
http://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~v1ranick/papers/wigner.pdf

[Anonymous No.9663082]

>>9662493
t. Tj """"" henry""""" yoshi

[Anonymous No.9663084]

>Biology isn't science
>Chemistry is for brainlets
>CS is a meme
>Girls can't do engineering
>Doctors don't know anything and are dumb
>Math is for autists
>Math is better than Physics
>The more pure a field, the better
>"X is the most important subject"
>Scientists don't even know logic
>"beautiful in its simplicity"

[Anonymous No.9663094]

>>9663081
thank you brain dead sama
https://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hirzel/papers/canon00-goedel.pdf

[Anonymous No.9663136]

>>9663055
>Implying atheism is a belief.

[Anonymous No.9663174]

>>9663094
Gödel is one of the most extreme examples of a literal Platonist you could ever find you absolute retard, look it up. He put together the Incompleteness Theorems to prove that mathematical reality transcended any one attempt at limiting it to an axiomatic system.

[Anonymous No.9663176]

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel/
>In his philosophical work Gödel formulated and defended mathematical Platonism, the view that mathematics is a descriptive science, or alternatively the view that the concept of mathematical truth is objective.

[Anonymous No.9663194]

>Muh Emotional intelligence & Muh Social skills are more valuable than Intelligence

[Anonymous No.9663195]

>>9663136
Hard atheism is belief.
>>9663176
Doesnt his own theorem kinda cucks him in that statement?

[Anonymous No.9663209]

>there is an objective reality outside of my perception
>consciousness is a product of the brain

[Anonymous No.9663211]

>Yes, I graduated in philosophy with a minor in sociology.... Thanks sir for being interested in my life... But May I take your order? Would you like fries with that?

[Anonymous No.9663216]

>The earth is spherical

[Anonymous No.9663235]

>I pretend to be intelligent by belittling others on an anonymous mongolian basket weaving forum

[Anonymous No.9663243]

>Category theory is math

[Anonymous No.9663250]

>>9663195
>Hard atheism

>Religious brainlet:
There's a god

>Atheist:
Evidence?

>Religious brainlet:
dksnavakbiblebsanqEVILnskna (no evidence)

>Atheist:
It sounds like you're spitting out bullshit

>Religious brainlet:
Muh atheism is a belief; they can't tell if the thing I have NO evidence to support its existance exists, yet they claim their is NO god.

>Atheist: We're not making any claim, you are the one making an unsupported claim... I say that there's no good in the same sense I'd say there is no unicorns.

[Anonymous No.9663253]

>>9663250
god*

[Anonymous No.9663254]

>>9662230
>I'm smart but bad at math.

[Anonymous No.9663264]

>>9663254
>I'm smart because I know math

[Anonymous No.9663267]

>>9663136
Beliefs are opinions.

[Anonymous No.9663270]

>Sports, weight lifting and physical exercises make you smarter, increasing IQ.
>That's why sportsn are so smart, smarter than scientists.

[Anonymous No.9663271]

>>9663250
Punch that straw!

[Anonymous No.9663277]

>Sports, weight lifting and physical exercises make you smarter, increasing IQ.
>That's why sportsman and body builders are smarter than scientists.

[Anonymous No.9663279]

>>9662230
>the electric universe

[Anonymous No.9663280]

>>9663254
>>9663270
>>9663194
>>9662402
>>9662353
(You)

[Anonymous No.9663282]

>>9662230
"Scientism" is just another word for extreme logical positivism.

It is dogmatic, borderline religious, and a scourge on both society and actual science at large.

[Anonymous No.9663284]

>>9663250
>Hippie brainlet:
There's global warming.

>Conservative :
Evidence?

>Hippie brainlet:
dksnavakbiblebsanqEVILnskna (no evidence)

>Atheist:
It sounds like you're spitting out bullshit

>Hippie brainlet:
Muh global warming denial is a just a mislead belief; they can't tell if the thing I have NO evidence to support its existance exists, yet they claim their is NO global warming.

>Conservative: We're not making any claim, you are the one making an unsupported claim... I say that there's no global warming in the same sense I'd say there is no unicorns.

[Anonymous No.9663290]

>>9663250
>Hippie brainlet:
There's global warming.

>Conservative:
Evidence?

>Hippie brainlet:
dksnavakbiblebsanqEVILnskna (no evidence)

>Conservative:
It sounds like you're spitting out bullshit

>Hippie brainlet:
Muh global warming denial is a just a mislead belief; they can't tell if the thing I have NO evidence to support its existance exists, yet they claim their is NO global warming.

>Conservative:
We're not making any claim, you are the one making an unsupported claim... I say that there's no global warming in the same sense I'd say there is no unicorns.

[Anonymous No.9663293]

>>9662230
>"I hate Japanese Anime." says the anon posting on a Japanese Anime website

[Anonymous No.9663299]

>>9663267
I don't believe nor have opinions. I only retain what I can interact with to obtain constant results. Language is a joke that everyone takes too seriously; especially religious people. What they say can't be expressed by observations, {it can only get its existance via a language} which is why it is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.9663307]

>>9662230
>Probe Uranus
>Uranus is huge
>Uranus is filled with gas
>Let's call it Ouranus
>A rocket exploded in Uranus
>...

[Anonymous No.9663309]

>>9663250
>reddit spacing
And that's not even what gave away you're a redditor.

[Anonymous No.9663315]

>>9663290
I couldn't care less about global warming, it isn't one of my field of interest. I won't start a debate on something I don't know about ; I'm not a retard. But I'm sure you've spent hours analyzing scientific data and tried to reproduce results to come to your conclusion (sarcasm).

[Anonymous No.9663320]

>>9663309
Correlation mislead you, I don't use reddit.

[Anonymous No.9663337]

>>9663309
>reddit invented double spacing lines

fuck off newfag

[Anonymous No.9663343]

>>9663309
Can this meme just PLEASE fucking die?

[Anonymous No.9663344]

>>9663299
By the same standard you must disregard all of history and anything you didn't measure yourself.

[Anonymous No.9663354]

>>9663195
>Doesnt his own theorem kinda cucks him in that statement?
Not at all, that's just the popular misconception. His whole point by proving the incompleteness of axiomatic systems was to say there is a mathematical reality that transcends any one attempt at grounding it. He was deeply opposed to his contemporaries who subscribed to logicism and believed mathematics were just logic games.

[Anonymous No.9663361]

>>9662230
0.999... = 1

[Anonymous No.9663379]

>>9663343
no because hopefully people stop using retarded double spacing out of shame of being labeled a redditor if not the shame that they have no command of the english language

[Anonymous No.9663384]

>>9663379
No one cares about your preferences, you autistic child.

Fuck off and die.

[Anonymous No.9663391]

>>9663195
https://monoskop.org/images/a/aa/Kurt_G%C3%B6del_Collected_Works_Volume_III_1995.pdf
On page 334 of that collection of Gödel's writings there's a paper he wrote titled:
>Is Mathematics Syntax of Language?
Which is of course another way of asking "Is mathematics invented or discovered?"
And he is unmistakably arguing for the "discovered" camp.
I think everyone's surprised by this because they don't understand the difference between axiomatic systems vs. mathematics in itself. He never proved *mathematics* is incomplete and/or inconsistent. His target was shit like Principia Mathematica. The fact you can point to something you know intuitively is true but that rigorously defined axiomatic system can't assert is true shows there's a greater mathematical reality beyond the different systems man cobbles together to try to engage it.

[Anonymous No.9663400]

>>9663174
Anyone who isn't a mathematical platonist is a fool desu

[Anonymous No.9663404]

>>9662230
>Infinitists are wrong

[Anonymous No.9663408]

>>9663354
it doesn't matter what his intentions were, it's not how other mathematicians interpret the incompleteness theorem. Godel was also pretty nutty with his religious beliefs, he even ''proved god exists''.

[Anonymous No.9663409]

>>9663344
1.I "know" history only because I was forced to "learn" it and so do you. I'd never care about something that isn't falsifiable.

2. I know things that I haven't mesured yet and I'll use this knowledge when faced to a problem that requires it. If this knowledge doesn't work; I'll replace it with my own measure.

[Anonymous No.9663425]

>>9663299
Language is literally more fundamental than physics.

[Anonymous No.9663460]

>Language is literally more fundamental than physics.

[Anonymous No.9663463]

Science cannot in principle provide a complete description of reality. Indeed, it cannot in principle provide a complete description even of physical reality. The reason, paradoxical as it sounds, has to do precisely with the method that has made the predictive and technological achievements of modern physics possible. Physics insists upon a purely quantitative description of the world, regarding mathematics as the language in which the “Book of Nature” is written (as Galileo famously put it). Hence it is hardly surprising that physics, more than other disciplines, has discovered those aspects of reality susceptible of the prediction and control characteristic of quantifiable phenomena. Those are the only aspects to which the physicist will allow himself to pay any attention in the first place. Everything else necessarily falls through his methodological net.

[Anonymous No.9663549]

>>9663408
I don't see how you can (correctly) interpret the Incompleteness Theorems as an argument *against* Platonism.
The only way they make sense is if you acknowledge the ability to recognize a truth that a formal axiomatic system can't prove, and in doing so you're acknowledging the existence of a mathematics that transcends any one axiomatic system.
I don't think anyone has made any legitimate / published argument against mathematics itself using the Incompleteness Theorems. That's purely a popsci / layman thing to think that, the theorems themselves offer no evidence for such a view.

[Anonymous No.9663568]

>>9663463
>Everything else
but the thing is, there *is* nothing else

[Anonymous No.9663585]

>>9663568

[Anonymous No.9663636]

>>9663585
Why do people keep posting this? It's wrong, Mickey's mistaking absurdity for a lack of data integrity.
What Donald's complaining about is both absurd *and* accurate. Just because something's absurd and disturbing to the human condition doesn't mean it isn't reliable information.

[Anonymous No.9663668]

>>9663636
>Mickey's mistaking absurdity for a lack of data integrity.
But it is a lack of data integrity.
The human condition *is* the lack of integrity, the nihilistic view that everything is reducible to chemicals is an extension of the human condition.

Assuming that the entirety of existence can be reduced to materialism is nothing short of blatant arrogance and inherently cannot be verified.

[Anonymous No.9663684]

>>9663668
>Assuming that the entirety of existence can be reduced to materialism is nothing short of blatant arrogance and inherently cannot be verified.
That's fine but that's not what Mickey's arguing.
Mickey's argument is that Donald is a hypocrite for trusting his brain chemistry because Donald has expressed distress over the absurdity of everything he cares about being mere chemical interactions.
Which again, is wrong, because that alleged "hypocrisy" could only exist if you assume absurdity means a lack of data integrity. Donald being wrong about materialism wouldn't be because of absurdity, it'd be because of a lack of evidence per your argument here. And he wouldn't be a hypocrite for it, he'd just be lacking evidence.

[Anonymous No.9663690]

>>9663684
>That's fine but that's not what Mickey's arguing.
But it is.
Mickey's argument is that "All knowledge is based on that which we cannot prove" which is a direct response to Donald's claim that "Everything we know and love is reducible to the absurd acts of chemicals".

The distress and absurdity plays no real factor Mickey's argument; the fact that Donald's claim lacks foundation is the center of Mickey's argument.

[Anonymous No.9663695]

>>9663636
>What Donald's complaining about is both absurd *and* accurate. Just because something's absurd and disturbing to the human condition doesn't mean it isn't reliable information.
Mickey's saying that it doesn't matter if existence is *provably* absurd, because existence is already *inherently* absurd. And given that inherent absurdity, all that's left is to impose your own meaning on the world and pursue your goals based on that. Or kill yourself because it's all meaningless anyway.

[Anonymous No.9663701]

>>9663400
tru fax

[Anonymous No.9664053]

>the jews invented medicine to make people more sick
>the moon is hollow
>Putin is a pretty cool guy
>reptilians

[Anonymous No.9664121]

>>9664053
forgot to add
>being street smart is better than being book smart

[Anonymous No.9664128]

>>9662413
>>9662490
I always wondered what "Aryan Physics" really was. People always talk about how the Nazis rejected "Jewish Physics", but what did they actually believe?

[Anonymous No.9664131]

>math isn't useful, nobody needs to know how to do algebra in the real world
>tfw was that brainlet in high school
>can never get back those years wasted not putting enough effort into math

[Anonymous No.9664164]

>>9663425
>>>9663299
>Language is literally more fundamental than physics.

Claim : Interpretations of frequencies in the air / cahotic patterns (Scriptures) is "fundamental"

Define the word fundamental using observations.

Now, try to understand how particules act using observations.

Which one seems more "fundamental"?

You can know physics without being able to express it in a language; one must be retarded to not be able to observe without putting words on a thing.

[Anonymous No.9664232]

>Only two genders

[Anonymous No.9664269]

>>9664232
there's only one gender: the human gender

[Anonymous No.9664309]

>>9663194
>EQ and Social skills are independent from general Intelligence
Virtually the same things, or closely related at the very least. There is little distinction, but brainlets don't see this.

[Anonymous No.9664312]

>>9663277
>Intelligence and expertise are a one-dimensional attribute.

[Anonymous No.9664314]

>>9664232
>There's more than two genders

[Anonymous No.9664320]

>>9664232
>gender and sex are unrelated
>we are all gender fluid

[Anonymous No.9664321]

>>9664131
Blame your brainlet parents desu.

[Anonymous No.9664336]

>gravity is electromagnetism
>atoms are small solar systems
>critical theory

[Anonymous No.9664457]

>>9663409
>only knows history because he was forced to learn it
Imagine being this much of a pleb

[Anonymous No.9664461]

>>9663384
Ah yes im the autistic child because I choose to use the english language properly by the convention the adult world uses, not you who chooses to use the convention applied in first grade classrooms. As to the point of no one caring about my preference ; do me a favour and start doing all your writing that has to be read by another adult in double spacing, maybe do it in coloured bubble letters with some glitter for good measure.

Stop posting on 4 chan if youre underage.

[Anonymous No.9664472]

>>9664457
>Thinks "learning" non falsifiable stuff makes him somehow intelligent.

Damm people these days.

[Anonymous No.9664480]

Time doesnt actually exist, its all in your head

[Anonymous No.9664529]

>>9664472
You are beyond hope if you dont see the value in learning history.

[Anonymous No.9664532]

>science never fails
>when Elon musk's rocket blows up it's a engineering failure not a science failure.7
>because scientists are always right
>and engineers are often wrong

[Anonymous No.9664537]

>>9664532
Except that's completely true. The science behind rocketry has been clearly understood for at least a hundred years. Literally building a rocket (that is, engineering a rocket) is a whole fuck of a lot harder and a more complicated task.

[Anonymous No.9664543]

>>9662230
>I trust all scientific studies
>even when the study don't replicate, when it's made with measurement errors, and biased intentions

>I trust all medicines & medical procedures
>Even when it's just a Placebo, it's dangerous, with unproven efficacy or have adverse effects.

>I trust all Medical doctors
>Even when Medical error is the 3rd largest cause of Death in West.

[Anonymous No.9664544]

>>9664532 >>9664537
>/sci/entists shitting on engineers
t. opinion often held on /sci/

[Anonymous No.9664569]

>>9662327
For real, my 'conspiracy theory' friends pull this one all the time

Followed by "You don't know, Therefore aliens (and US collaboration)"

[Anonymous No.9664581]

>>9662450
nobody rejects it, I don't, I just think it was a rip off of Poincaré's work. it's basically the opposite of "the jews did it"

[Anonymous No.9664582]

>>9664529
>Uses the term value and hope when talking to a man of science.

[Anonymous No.9664584]

>>9664537
>scientists are always right

>>9664537
>completely true.

Daily reminder that Albert Einstein didn't believed in the Big Bang and Expansion of Universe until the astronomer Edwin Hubble proved to him otherwise.

Then Einstein accepted that He was wrong and changed his mind, then Hubble's Bigbang theory became accepted by all scientists.

[Anonymous No.9664611]

>>9664584
Science isn't always right but the science behind rocketry definitely is. If a rocket blows up it's the fault of engineers
T. Engineer

[Anonymous No.9664635]

>>9662230
>taking posts on this thread seriously

[Anonymous No.9664961]

>>9663690
Mickey calls Donald a hypocrite for trusting what Donald called absurd (the chemicals in his brain).
This is wrong because Mickey's confusing absurdity with a lack of data integrity.
That's what hypocrite means: doing something that goes against what you're claiming.
And Donald is not a hypocrite at all for using chemistry derived information to make a claim that chemistry derived events are absurd.
The information can be both absurd and accurate.
Zero hypocricy.

[Anonymous No.9664973]

>>9663695
No, Mickey very clearly called Donald a hypocrite for trusting the chemicals in his brain to tell him chemical reality is absurd.
Which is 100% wrong because, again, Mickey is trying to pull a fast one by conflating absurdity with doubtfullness.
There's a big difference in reality between whether something is absurd vs. whether something is untrue. Absurd is just a value judgement, not an accuracy metric.

[Anonymous No.9664993]

>>9662999
Every culture has the concept of a spear, that doesn't mean it isn't invented.

>>9663024
>Multiple species of non-human animals have been found to have a concept of weapon use and physical reality behaves predictably when an animal is hit with a spear

[Anonymous No.9664997]

>citing incompleteness theorem not in the case of a first order recursively axiomatizable theory capable of interpreting Robinson's Q

[Anonymous No.9664999]

Now that Hawking is dead who's the world's smartest man? Neil Degrassi Tyson or Elon Musk

[Anonymous No.9665016]

>>9664993
The physics of a spear's behavior is discovered. The spear is invented.
Mathematics are discovered. Superficial syntax are invented.

[Anonymous No.9665021]

>>9662235
But it was invented as a means to describe observations

[Anonymous No.9665026]

>>9665021
Mathematical syntax != Mathematical reality.
I think 99% of these pro-invented arguments just stem from confusion between syntax vs. the thing in itself.

[Anonymous No.9665034]

>>9662230
TarTar! MOOGA BOOGA.
UGGLE FUGG.
BIG MAN MOON UP IN TH STARS!

[Anonymous No.9665055]

>>9664961
>Mickey calls Donald a hypocrite for trusting what Donald called absurd (the chemicals in his brain).
That is not Mickey's central point. The fact that Donald's argument is not epistemologically sound is Mickey's point. The absurdity derived from it is simply to drive the point home and address Donald's argument at every turn.

Again, the absurity is derivative, NOT central to either argument. The only reason that absurdity is addressed in the first place is because Donald is trying to derive moral guidance without foundation. His point is tolerable up until he brings up intrinsic value and extends to the entirety of existence, a claim which is inherently metaphysical.

[Anonymous No.9665059]

>>9664461
tl;dr

Off yourself.

[Anonymous No.9665072]

>>9664999
You won.

[Anonymous No.9665342]

>>9662393
someone please explain this meme to me. People can't legitimately believe this, right?

[Anonymous No.9665882]

>>9662972
lmao
>>9662999
more like it s a SCOIAL CONSTRUCT like your peniss

[Anonymous No.9665885]

God doesnt play dices

[Anonymous No.9665890]

Everybody is as intelligent because MUH EKWALITY, so if you are not intelligent you sure have "art intelligence" or high "cock sucking'' IQ

[Anonymous No.9665922]

>>9662230
>"consciousness is a undefined quantum phenomenon"

[Anonymous No.9665971]

>>9665342
I dont know man, summerfags always manage to come up with the craziest shit

[Anonymous No.9665973]

>>9665342
What is there to explain? It's been a meme long before the internet to get people to argue (in an algebra class)
Maybe not 100% of the people on this board know that the equation is true but I would bet money that 100% of the people saving a brainlet wojak to post with the equation know it's true.
Interesting there are well used number systems
where this is false
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_number#Further_reading
But such types of analysis are literally called nonstandard.

[Anonymous No.9665974]

>>9665973
and I just realized you meant it the other way.
fuck this shitty board.
I hope you all die.

[Anonymous No.9665977]

>>9665973
>surreal numbers

[Anonymous No.9665983]

>>9665977
>(You)

[Anonymous No.9666005]

>>9662972
>unironically still being a materialist

It's time to grow up kiddo.

[Anonymous No.9666011]

>>9662368
But this is exactly what Plato asserts with 'forms'.

[Anonymous No.9666012]

>>9663136
Atheism is a religion, and Charles Darwin is your cuck messiah.

[Anonymous No.9666014]

If you study mathematics why cant you tell me what 4564246*7654567 is?

[Anonymous No.9666023]

>well it's just a theory

[Anonymous No.9666028]

race is a social construct

[Anonymous No.9666043]

>math is the language of the universe

[Anonymous No.9666063]

Have you heard about that extremely smart kid who was on news yesterday? He will be the next Einstein

[Anonymous No.9666138]

>>9662230
>God isn't real

[Anonymous No.9666149]

My son is so smart, he's reading an entire grade level above average. His IQ is going to be at least 140.

[Anonymous No.9666201]

>>9663315
And why don't you approach religion with the same intellectual honesty?

[Anonymous No.9666207]

>>9663409
>I'd never care about something that isn't falsifiable.
>falsifiable

All of science isn't falsifiable. Nobody has ever seen an electron, only measured the effects of something we assume to be an electron. That thing might not even exist and it might be some other construct causing the same effect.

[Anonymous No.9666213]

>>9662230
>you can't reach the edge of the universe because the ant would fall off the balloon

[Anonymous No.9666436]

>>9663024
In that case you should have no problem describing every event in the universe through math. How's that theory of quantum gravity coming along hmmm?

[Anonymous No.9666439]

>>9663055
Fence sitter cunts get the bullet

[Anonymous No.9666447]

>>9663209
Prove me otherwise.

[Anonymous No.9666449]

>>9663290
There's actual evidence for global warming though.

[Anonymous No.9666459]

>conciousness i more than a buch of biochemical signals going through the connectome

[Anonymous No.9666463]

>>9663290 >>9663315 >>9666449
>2017-2018 had the coldest winter in decades
>evidence for global warming

>weather isn't climate.
>warmer climate = hot weather
>colder weather = warmer climate

>hot weather is always evidence for Global warming
>cold weather is never evidence for Global warming
>because reasons

>seasonal fires in California that happens frequently for thousands of years
>it's waaaaaaarming!!

>coldest winter in years, with snow storms freezing temperature, Snow falling in Italy
>it's waaaaaaarming!! hotter than ever!!

makes you think

[Anonymous No.9666551]

>>9666463
Doing a very good job for this thread!

[Anonymous No.9666570]

>We don't know if there's a soul

[Anonymous No.9666589]

>>9662230
>96% of people agree on X being true, X must be true!

[Anonymous No.9666590]

>>9666449
Oh yes mr. 62 genders please show me the evidence

[Anonymous No.9666627]

>>9665974
But anon, if the numbers are equal, then why do we not just say 1=1?

[Anonymous No.9666639]

>>9666589
>P = 0.04
>P < 0.05
>Therefore null hypothesis is rejected
How is this brainlet thinking?

[Anonymous No.9666644]

>>9666201
Because religions (your religion isn't the only one if you are indeed religious which I'll assume) make unfalsifiable claims. Wasting your time with these kind of claim leads no where, there is no evidence on the claim so there shouldn't be a debate. The reason why you don't believe in other religion is near the same as to why I don't believe in your religion.
+When religious people tell atheists they're stupid they don't realize they are also atheist when it comes to every single other religion on this planet.

[Anonymous No.9666652]

>math degree
>any job i want

[Anonymous No.9666665]

>>9666207
Science is falsifiable, the notion of electron is there only to describe a known constant behaviour of nature. Prove
this behaviour isn't constant and you will prove that the current notion of the electron is wrong.


Science is based on the principle of falsifiability, reproductibility...{insert the full scientific method here}. You clearly know really little about science to say that science isn't falsifiable.

[Anonymous No.9666890]

>Infinity is not a number, it'sa concept

[Anonymous No.9666954]

>>9663084
t.roastie

[Anonymous No.9666988]

>>9663277
t.got cucked by a /fitizen

[Anonymous No.9667180]

>there's more genetic variation within races than between them

[Anonymous No.9667403]

>Everything is a Social Construct
>So not real.

[Anonymous No.9667411]

>it's too late to mitigate climate change

[Anonymous No.9667477]

>>9666436
>In that case you should have no problem describing every event in the universe through math.
That doesn't follow, no. Where are you getting the idea doing that would be easy / low effort from?

[Anonymous No.9667495]

>>9666665
>Science is based on the principle of falsifiability, reproductibility...{insert the full scientific method here}. You clearly know really little about science to say that science isn't falsifiable.

Open up any physics textbook (Young/Freedman, Griffiths, Jackson, etc) and you will never see the word "falsifiability" mentioned once. Read the actual papers and writings by the major scientists of the 20th century and you will not find "falsifiability" anywhere and you will see them criticizing such simplistic reasoning in their meta writings about the field of physics and how physics is done. "Falsifiability" only appears in terrible pop"sci" and philosophy of "science" garbage.

>reproductibility

There are many fields of science that do not have meaningful "reproductibility" and that's okay. Geologists can't repeat the formation of the planet at will nor control the parameters it happens with. Astronomers can't repeat the explosion of stars at will nor control the parameters it happens with. Meteorologists can't repeat the formation of storms nor control the parameters it happens with. It's okay to rely on records of the past you can't repeat.

>scientific method

The vast majority of science doesn't follow the scientific method you learn in elementary school science fairs. Theoretical science often doesn't conduct experiments. Experimental science often times doesn't have a hypothesis in mind, they gather data to see what happens. A lot of the time, the fields that seem to follow the scientific method to a T are the pseudosciences trying to pass their bullshit off as scientific.

[Anonymous No.9667542]

>>9667495
I'm not even going to debunk all this bullshit; I wasted enough time talking to retards on this thread. I'm getting sick of brainlets.

[Anonymous No.9667621]

>>9666644
>make unfalsifiable claims
The church of Karl Popper is the most autistic cult. Here's a trivial example of why it completely falls short as an ultimate rubric of knowledge.

Claim: Like charges repel
Experiment: Protons are positive and neutrons are neutral.
Experiment: Protons and neutrons are in the nucleus with no other negative "glue charges" to cancel out the positive charges.
Experiment: Protons and neutrons' masses are not enough to overcome charge repulsion by gravitation.

Did we falsify the claim that like charges repel? No, there was an outside effect (the strong force) that wasn't being taken account of. It wasn't an error in electromagnetism. Likewise any claim that you have falsified some principle could just as readily be met with the counter claim that it was another effect and not a error of the principle being studied.

>Wasting your time with these kind of claim leads no where
So you're basically assuming they're wrong without even examining what they say. That sure sounds like a recipe for success.

>there is no evidence on the claim so there shouldn't be a debate
/pol/ says there is no evidence on the claim of the holocaust so there shouldn't be a debate? Why should I listen to (((them))) and (((their))) lies (((they))) have absolutely no evidence for?

>+When religious people tell atheists they're stupid they don't realize they are also atheist when it comes to every single other religion on this planet.
+When scientists tell hippies they're stupid they don't realize they are also hippies when it comes to [rejecting] every single other pseudoscience on this planet.

I don't care if you're an atheists or not, but that's not an excuse for letting terrible arguments slide.

[Anonymous No.9667773]

>>9662235
Wittgenstein actually supported this. By setting the axioms, we do not "lay down" entire theory. The theory is only as large as we can reach statements within it with our known decision algorithms. So when we state and prove a theorem, we make a new, slightly larger system.
He was a finitist, so you might not agree with his point of view.

[Anonymous No.9668028]

>>9667773
Yeah, guys like Wittgenstein were the exact reason Godel came up with the Incompleteness Theorems. Godel was a hardcore Platonist and hated how everyone else around him thought math was just an axioms game people made up. So he went all "fuck you axiomatic systems" and proved there was always a gap between shit people put together to try to approach math vs. the Platonic Form of Mathematics that exists in a pure conceptual realm where everything's perfect and free of non-mathematical baggage.

[Anonymous No.9668038]

there was always a gap between shit people put together to try to approach math vs. the Platonic Form of Mathematics that exists in a pure conceptual realm where everything's perfect and free of non-mathematical baggage.

>supposing the existence of such a thing

[Anonymous No.9668059]

>>9668038
He proved there are mathematical truths that exist but can't be proven by axiomatic systems like Principia.

[Anonymous No.9668076]

we landed on the moon

[Anonymous No.9668086]

Evolution takes millions of years.

[Anonymous No.9668174]

>>9663277
Its an objective fact that healthy people are smarter. Only a retard let's his body waste away.

[Anonymous No.9668179]

>>9663344
History actually tries to back itself up

[Anonymous No.9668194]

>>9666028
Technically it is since where one race ends and begins is opinion

[Anonymous No.9668199]

>>9667180
This is literally true though

[Anonymous No.9668201]

>*defends religion on the internet*>>9668199

[Anonymous No.9668211]

>The earth is a globe.

[Anonymous No.9668242]

>>9668211
Just why? I know you guys think it's a joke at this point, but some people legit believe it and it's just getting annoying now.

[Anonymous No.9668263]

>>9668242
Because it's actually true.

[Anonymous No.9668363]

>temperature is just the average kinetic energy in a system

[Anonymous No.9668387]

>>9667542
>uh oh i got btfo better post a brainlet meme

[Anonymous No.9668418]

>Bazinga

[Anonymous No.9668441]

>>9662999
>>9662235
You just have to be a fucking retard and not understand what "invention" means in order to say stupid shit like this.

Nobody "invented" anything but the retarded criterion you're using. Nobody "created the potential to assemble steel blocks in a way that, when you burn coil, the boiler pushes steam through to drive a locomotive. That was always there as a potential, someone had to go out and realize how reality works to put that to use in a human context.

That's all invention is: it's taking what was possible and making it human. And that's what people do when they do math.

[Anonymous No.9668445]

>>9662398
What is philosophy? Is a question you could answer better when when you are familiar with it. If you ask this to different who are familiar, all they will give you different answers. This question is even a philosophical problem but again, what does the “philosphical" word denotes?

You can understand that broad meaning because a good way to see it is that philosophy is the activity of working out the right (or best) way to think about things (Dave Ward, University of Edinburgh).

And philosophy is also for thinking better.

[Anonymous No.9668528]

>>9668441
>Nobody "created the potential to assemble steel blocks in a way that, when you burn coil, the boiler pushes steam through to drive a locomotive.
Nobody invented the physics of that situation.
People did invent the particular instances of locomotives that operate in terms of that physics.
Nobody invented mathematics.
People did invent the particular instances of syntax that operate in terms of mathematics.

[Anonymous No.9668558]

>>9662230
“I’m lazy but smart”

[Anonymous No.9668587]

>>9662407
>for every definition and every proof we make for infinity is by negation
hahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.9668594]

>>9662230

I Fucking Love Science

[Anonymous No.9668624]

>>9668179
So does religion

>but muh parents' religion of "Fundamentalist Southeast Conservative Baptist Evangelical Pentecostal Charismatic Episcopal Christian Fellowship International First Congregational Methodist Free Church of the Nazarene Reformed Anglican and Presbyterian Lutheran Nondenominational Army of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Adventists and Born Again Saints in the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Unification Society of Jehovah - Scientist, Father, Friend." was shallow wishy-washy nonsense that couldn't justify anything.
>therefore all the religions of the world are exactly like that too!
>I am so woke.

[Anonymous No.9668833]

>>9668528
That's exactly what people are saying you retard.