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>math is beautiful

>> No.9654610

>>9654602
*some math is beautiful. Other math is dogshit

>> No.9654613

It is. Both pure and applied.

>> No.9654637
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9654637

>the most beautiful equation

>> No.9654640

Math is glorified masturbation if taken to "beauty" levels.

It's good language tool though, just like technical drawing. Best use is in constructing models through mathematical descriptions.

>> No.9654647

>>9654640
This. Proof autists need to kys them are selves.

>> No.9654657
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>Wow! Check out this amazing and beautiful formula, it's so cool! BTW, I'm a mathematician and an artist.

>> No.9654668

>>9654640
I don't understand why people who may be intelligent are so triggered by others who say "math is beautiful"
Does it anger you equally when people say "English is beautiful" when referring to the poetry of Wordsworth or Milton? Doubtful.

>> No.9654674

The first time I ever thought that math was beautiful was when I was introduced to probability. It's funny to think that it only took something so simple to spark that feeling inside of me that is still there today.

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9654676

>I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE

>> No.9654680

>>9654668
Because math is just a bunch of numbers. There is nothing beautiful about it because it's not a human invention, unlike poetry which describes human emotion. Beauty is meant to evoke emotional response.

>> No.9654696

>>9654680
Math is absolutely a human invention. Words are the human invention of placing meaning and an order on the sounds that come out of our mouths. Math is the human invention of placing meaning and an order to nature.

And by your definition of beauty, then anything that evokes an emotional response would be beautiful, so then *any* equation that evokes some sort of emotion is then beautiful. You are agreeing with me here.

>> No.9654719

>>9654680
The thing that you just stated "math is a bunch of numbers" and not a human invention, that's something science as a whole still doesn't agree on. The fuck are you on, you dumb bitch.

>> No.9654722

>>9654680

>math is just a bunch of numbers

I don't even-

>> No.9654727

>>9654680
>All math objects are numbers
>>>/out/

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>>9654637
>>9654657
>interviewing for a job as a statistician
>supervisor and interviewer is a computer scientist
>at the end of the interview he asks me if I have a favorite or most beautiful mathematical formula or concept I've seen is
>I have no idea how to answer this question
>he says his favorite is [math]e^{\pi i}+1=0[/math]

>> No.9654750

>>9654696
False.

Math is discovered, not created. The properties of mathematical reasoning were lying in wait, ready to be perceived and understood by people.

>> No.9654766

>>9654602
Math is more like art than any other STEM field. Some proofs are really elegant and pretty. They also express something preternatural which is what good artists seek to do.

>> No.9654770

>>9654696
The result of literature is an entirely new profound abstraction. Your argument that literature is nothing but things that are based off reality is argumentum ad reductio ad absurdium because literature is invented in the imagination Unlike math which is foremost a tool.

It's just absolutely appalling to me that /sci/ autists find beauty in their math, like Victor Frankenstein and his monster.

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9654784

Shit tier thread.

>> No.9654897

>>9654750
what is even the point of the word ''invented'' then if you're just going to generalize ''discovered'' to a point where literally nothing can be invented.

>windows 10 was always there, waiting to be LE DISCOVERED

>> No.9654950

>>9654740
>You didn't say "product rule of probabilities, because Bayes rule follows from it directly"
Found the brainlet

>> No.9654977

I don't find maths beautiful in and of itself, but it allows us to achieve beautiful things (anything from 3D computer graphics to structural engineering).

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I unironically think this is one of the most beautiful creations of mankind

>> No.9656723

>>9654602
I'm an engineering student. When I asked my linalg professor about the math dept's course in graph theory, his response was
>Well, I will warn you that we are less about the practical applications of graph theory, and more about..... its beauty.
With a really long pause just like while he thought of the right words apparently.

>> No.9656748

I do think math is beautiful but you aren't supposed to say that in public because then you'll sound like an autistic memester

>> No.9656787

>>9654750
That holds true for everything humans invent.
Do you we generate meaning?
No, we abstract it from the world we perceive.
The properties of all reasoning were lying in wait, ready to be perceived and understood by "people" or whatever interpreter is.
Math is no more discovered than music or pottery is discovered, the only difference is math has a formal system.
Logic is just a formalization of the semiotic that produces all reasoning.

>> No.9656794

>>9654602
Beauty in math for me is derived from its cleverness. It's not so much a beauty in the realm of aesthetics like sculpture, poetry, art, music, etc (although you will also find cleverness in those areas) because it's not an expression of humanity, but rather something that makes me laugh in the way the writings of someone like Pynchon or Carroll might.

I laugh at a lot of things though, so maybe this is just my attempt at reflecting an "artistic spirit" onto myself through mathematics. There's some element of emotion that I find charming in math that is akin to someone like the Mad Hatter (a placeholder for Carroll himself in many ways) endlessly letting out a series of riddles that all fit together, as if the product of absurd, unpredictable genius.

The way things "work" in math is like attempting to reign in the absurd infinitude of G-d imo, which is where it finds its place alongside something like philosophy.

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9656804

>mat is uglee

>> No.9656901

>>9656794
Congrats, you have autism.

>> No.9656909

>>9654668
>people who may be intelligent
there's your problem

>> No.9656912

>>9654680
>nature can't be beautiful because it's not a human invention
kys

>> No.9656918

Wow the only anti-mathbeauty sentiment I've found is on /sci/.
My professors say it, students say it. A lot of people do.
/sci/ is so autistic

>> No.9656920

>>9656918
It's a popsci meme that people repeat to each other in order to sound cultured and smart.

>> No.9656933

>>9656901
I unironically do and I'm perfectly fine with that. It has given me more in this life than I could have ever hoped for.

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>>9656920
Yes, that is true. But you're just being contrarian. This is where 4chan historically always fails, they assume just because retards say or do or believe in something, the idea itself is corrupted. For example, even SJWs might be right about something once or twice. Just because pop-sci faggots foam at the mouth and cream over "'muh science", you don't have to reject science in its entirety.

>> No.9656956

>>9656920
But there is real beauty in math

>> No.9656966

>>9654750
no retard basic logic is universal. all human math is based on axioms defined by humans

>> No.9658122

If you can't see beauty in numbers you don't know beauty
The way equations fit in and describe all reality, its just perfect

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>>9658122
>numbers

>> No.9658139

>>9654770
>>I've taken at most calc 1
k

>> No.9658140

>>9656966
>all human math is based on axioms defined by humans
And all axioms are based on intuition, which is shaped by experience.

>> No.9658141

>>9654750
Math is just an abstraction as a way to describe reality that makes sense to us, like a language
In that way, math is created

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9658155

Math is beatiful

>> No.9658162

I can see why someone would think that but I disagree. Math is hard and confusing.

>> No.9658193

the thought of pascals triangle and the binomial theorem really gets me hard everytime

>> No.9658285

>>9656698
I honestly can't think of anything else so amazingly organized

>> No.9659283

>>9654602
Seriously, if you don't like math I feel sorry for you failing to focus on your math classes.

>> No.9659401

>>9654750
>a philosophy major tries to debate the nature of math
>with math majors
>on /sci/

>> No.9659404

>>9654602
Matar is butar.
Haraharhar.
Whats your shtoyl!?

>> No.9660122

>>9659401
>implying anything other than mathematical platonism is true

>> No.9660160

>>9654897
Because Windows 10 is not just an idea, it is a practical idea. The difference between something immutable and changeable is practicality. If you'd read Aristotle you would have known this. The eternal truths are discovered for society as time goes on, but they were always there. That's how mathematics works.

>>9656787
Fundamentally the world, however, derives its principles from a numberical basis. The way numbers function is they describe a system which is self-contained in unity. Logic has to deal with many different things, but I will give you that the foundation of logic is mathematics, so certain truths are obviously inherent. You aren't going to say that whoever coined the term 'argumentum ad absurdum' was the one who invented it would you? Because both Socrates and Euclid used this method and they existed within one century of each other.

>>9656966
>all human math is based on axioms defined by humans
Which are developed to explain concepts that are inherent in the universe itself. Obviously reality is rough, only perfection can be perceived, but you can see shapes all around you, circles and triangles naturally occurring. The base ten system being based on our very biology. Mathematics fundamentally was discovered, lying in wait to be perceived as the explanation of the eternal.

>>9658141
Language is created, like this world. Mathematics was discovered, like gold.

>>9659401
Someone already debated you on this point, but I will say simply this: I am neither major, but my major did involve a decent amount of mathematics. I feel qualified to speak on mathematics, therefore. I read differential functional analysis every day, in terms of pure economics.

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9661822

>Reading philosophy has helped me understand the world

>> No.9661830

>>9654680
>math doesn't evoke emotional response

>> No.9662091

>there are brainlets itt who don't enjoy the beauty of both math and art
wow

>> No.9664033

>>9656698

That schematic of a list of information about the physical sciences is not a creation. It is a discovery, very much like all of pure mathematics. Get your terminology right.

>> No.9664360

>>9664033
Fuck you idiot the schematic was literally invented to organize that information.

>> No.9664367

>>9654640
>Math is glorified masturbation
masturbation is fun though, and honestly if it was something I could do for a living then I would

>> No.9664863

>>9664033
the periodic table could have been organized in all sorts of ways. The way it was done is astoundingly elegant