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[Anonymous No.9645823]

>physicist: 20,000
>mathematician: 40,000
>programmer: 400,000+

How do we fix this?

[Anonymous No.9645840]

>>9645823
start with citations

[Anonymous No.9645843]

>>9645823
stop browsing

[Anonymous No.9645856]

>>9645840
US dept labor

[Anonymous No.9645863]

>>9645823
By learning to program?

[Anonymous No.9645871]

>>9645823
>yet another retarded cs major thinks you need to have a cs degree to be a programmer

>>>/g/ is that way

>inB4 muh 100k starting therefore you're wrong mantra

[Anonymous No.9645894]

>>9645823
Lol those statistics are not even accurate.

[Anonymous No.9645905]

>>9645894
Where do you see a dollar sign in op you fucking brainlet. thats the number of jobs

[Anonymous No.9645906]

>>9645823
>programmer: 400,000+
Unless you're Gabe Newell, you're lucky to make double minimum wage. That's only going to get worse. There's nothing easier to outsource.

[Anonymous No.9645907]

>>9645894
*for people who can find employment as physicists

[Anonymous No.9645914]

Try doing something useful that people will pay money for. No, your paper with 0 citations isn't useful.

[Anonymous No.9645915]

>>9645906
>>9645905

[Anonymous No.9645939]

>>9645894
My Physics professors told me that their first payment as a reasearcher in Uni after PhD was 1800€/month

that's like the same as a trash collector

[Anonymous No.9645962]

>>9645823
>chemical engineer: 32,700
>plumber: 480,600+

>mechanical engineer: 288,800
>mechanic: 749,900+

>civil engineer: 303,500
>construction: 1,396,950+

>electrical engineer: 324,600
>electrician: 666,900+

Of course there will be more brainlet jobs than nonbrainlet jobs

[Anonymous No.9645980]

>>9645823
Commence Operation Colonise Mars.
(but for real this time.)

[Anonymous No.9645997]

what about doctors? do they deserve their money?

[Anonymous No.9646255]

>>9645906
not true.

I make insane money as do a lot of people I work with and know working in IT. We are pretty mediorce at it too.

[Anonymous No.9646330]

>>9645997
Government regulation cucks all of us in their case.

[Anonymous No.9646357]

Engineers are basically a superset of physicists/mathematicians, so you should be counting all engineering jobs, which pay way more than CS jobs.

[Anonymous No.9646377]

>>9646357
not true CS pays more.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/26/the-25-highest-paying-jobs-in-america.html

Not only that but CS is easier to learn and far faster to learn.

[Anonymous No.9646406]

>>9646377
That list is depressing. Maybe 3-4 of those jobs belong there.

[Anonymous No.9646505]

>>9645939
>collector of trash degrees gets paid the same as a trash collector
News at 11

[Anonymous No.9646520]

>>9645823
Creativity is more valuable than knowledge (monetarily at least). Assuming those figures are true the programmers making real big money probably invented a hot app or something, while big-brain CERN autists operate doohickeys for government handouts.

[Anonymous No.9646535]

>>9646520
Well said anon!

[Anonymous No.9646876]

>>9646505
Thanks for the original comment
Made me laugh

[Anonymous No.9647015]

>>9645962
I should've became an electrician, fuck.

[Anonymous No.9647077]

>>9646357
how are they a superset, a subset they are not a superset.

[Anonymous No.9647080]

>>9647077
They don't cover application details

[Anonymous No.9647085]

>>9647080
mathematics > physics > engineers

[Anonymous No.9647563]

>>9645863
Unironically this. If you flood the job market, salaries will go down.

I'm a programmer and I'm sick of this shitty tech industry. It needs to implode.

[Anonymous No.9647621]

>>9645823
There aren't any STEM jobs that require a university degree. It's always been extremely competitive to get into the job market, and until you do you have to work for fuckall until you get lucky and receive enough recognition.


A STEM career is almost, but not quite as bad, as trying to make it in art.

[Anonymous No.9647634]

>>9646357
>so you should be counting all engineering jobs, which pay way more than CS jobs.
This hasn't been true for years, also CS =/= programming.

[Anonymous No.9647709]

>>9647015
T. Industrial electrician AMA
>Should've went for compsci after school

[Anonymous No.9647717]

>>9645823
More CS majours obviously, that should down their income

[Anonymous No.9648934]

>>9645823
>How do we fix this?
Physicist here, with PhD. First off you need a PhD to get to the interesting stuff. Next after a few years in academia and industry switch to patent law and move that decimal point at least one position right.

We are always looking for physicists since that is what is most in demand in our line of work.

[Anonymous No.9648949]

>>9647634
Nobody is going to pay you to use the pumping lemma on a job. You're destined to be a code monkey working on log in pages in ruby on rails.

Real programming jobs will go to people with technical skills that CS kiddies lack.

[Anonymous No.9649086]

>>9645823
>programmer: 400,000+
he actually believes this

bro programming is shit and there will always be a guy from India willing to do it for less than you because he would rather drive down the value of your labor than go back to his home country.

[Anonymous No.9649149]

>>9645906
Fearmongering. I work as a software dev with a bachelor's in CS. I'm not that good, but when my company has tried to outsource work, it ALWAYS ends up coming back to guys like me because your average code monkey without a degree will always write garbage code that can't easily be modified or optimized, two things that are always on the roadmap for a business.

[Anonymous No.9649156]

>>9645823
You don't. Profitably manufacturing physical goods depends on economics of scale, effective logistics/supply chains, and lots of capital. These things hugely advantage large companies with well-established business models catering to predictable demand.

Software can be expensive to develop, but the barriers to entry are way lower. You can start a software company in your garage.

[Anonymous No.9649197]

>>9649149
>write garbage code that can't easily be modified or optimized

And how would a cs major help in this? Coding is a trade that you only get good at with experience. Taking classes on lambda calculus isn't going make you a better code monkey nor will knowing how to reduce SAT to Hamiltonian paths make you better at optimization.

Going to college for cs to become a programmer is as retarded as going to college for ChemE to become a plumber. Anyone here can become a plumber, mechanic, or programmer if they put in the time to get the wide (but very shallow) body of knowledge.

>InB4 bbut-but my uncle once tried to do his own plumbing after watching a YouTube video and it was a cluster fuck. Therefore you need dat degree.
Stories of people with half ass knowledge prove nothing.

[Anonymous No.9649301]

>>9648934
are you? Do you need more than PhD. My brother is a Physics PhD and is working in non-related field and hates it. Legit he has PhD from a good university.

[Anonymous No.9649307]

>get science degree
>become programmer
>$200k/year starting
>use money to fund science research

[Anonymous No.9649308]

>>9645823
Fix what?

[Anonymous No.9649442]

>>9647621
This isn't true at all, I had a control engineer position and an electric drive/propulsion position by end of fall term senior year. So did the kids in my class who absolutely did not deserve a position. I took controls, great field to be in.

[Anonymous No.9649460]

>>9648949
Very true, non of the CS undergrads could cut it at some controls firms in terms of an accurate understanding of theory and what were modeling. Honestly I would have done better to go into a Math degree and then worry about EE somehow. For where id like to be in 5 years, a math degree is much more usefull.

[Anonymous No.9649500]

>>9645962
And sometimes non brainlet jobs are more important for society. We don’t need many brainless who fuck around and learn useless things. We just need a few of them who are interested in learning about USEFUL things.

[Anonymous No.9649554]

change the definitions
t. politician