/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9635075]

Whats the latest on nuclear fusion?

[Anonymous No.9635086]

Exciting breakthrough in superconductor technology may result in much smaller, more efficient and easily-maintained modular designs.

ITER continues to dominate practical efforts (and funding), but is very very large and maybe not the way forward given these possible newer designs

so good news, bad news

[Anonymous No.9635261]

>>9635075
SPARC is funded, and they will begin construction of the superconductors parts soon.
Other than that, not much new.

Source: http://news.mit.edu/2018/mit-newly-formed-company-launch-novel-approach-fusion-power-0309

[Anonymous No.9635265]

Friendly reminder that funding for autism research made more money last year than funding for nuclar fusion.

[Anonymous No.9635275]

>>9635265
Just fuck my planet up bro

[Anonymous No.9635306]

>>9635075
>ITER continues to dominate practical efforts (and funding), but is very very large and maybe not the way forward given these possible newer designs
Even if ITER turns out to be a dead end, it's still probably going to contribute a lot to our understanding of fusion and hot plasma. I wouldn't worry too much.

[Anonymous No.9635318]

>>9635075
Nuclear fusion is currently happening right now. In our solar system.

[Anonymous No.9635322]

It would never be allowed because it would lead to economic changes like the steam engine did.

[Anonymous No.9635756]

Fusion One F1 reactor, which is based off the polywell, with anodes. And recently, Lockheed Martin has updated there high beta fusion reactor by recently applying for patents on it. These are the two that actually show promise.

[Anonymous No.9635778]

>>9635265
really fires up my autism

[Anonymous No.9635792]

>>9635756
There's parents for time machines and perpetual motion devices. Having a patent means jack shit.

[Anonymous No.9635798]

>>9635792
fug off chocomutt. I'm just saying that they are still working on it, they have been dark on the project for awhile and its good to see some sort of progress.

[Anonymous No.9635825]

>>9635075
Lockheed's obtained a patent for their Compact Fusion Reactor.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180047462A1/en?oq=2018%2f0047462

[Anonymous No.9635837]

>>9635792
Who published those patents? Were they multi million dollar companies?

[Anonymous No.9635841]

>>9635837
Whoops
>>9635792

[Anonymous No.9635856]

The biggest thing we found out recently is that fusion was impossible until these very strong superconductor magnets came out and that the fusion community has known this for many years. Lying to get funding despite knowing their designs would never work without the proper magnets.

I'm kind of mad.

[Anonymous No.9635859]

>>9635856
That's not what happened. Plasma dynamics are not well understood, and there's only been a trickle of funding to work with to explore the behavior of the plasma inside the environment of a fusion reactor. Research has been subsequently slow and plodding, with the lion's share of funding going towards major multinational projects like ITER. ITER itself was conceived several decades ago, with technical specifications baselined for the materials available at the time - including much less robust superconductors - forcing the project leads to build a very large reactor to attain the right plasma environment. What these new efforts with smaller reactors are taking advantage of is the fact that field intensity is basically the factor that decides just about everything else about the reactor's performance and scale, and the post-ITER project initiation developments with high temperature superconductors may have rendered the giant Tokamak paradigm obsolete. Still, with plasma dynamics being as tricky as they are, we won't really know until the rubber hits the road.

[Anonymous No.9635865]

>>9635265
Funding for autism research is funding for all of science, but you wouldn't understand, filthy neurotypical

[Anonymous No.9635867]

Not enough being done about he3 + he3 fusion.

Which eliminates neutron radiation. Making it the safest and most durable fusion.

[Anonymous No.9635871]

>>9635867
>Which eliminates neutron radiation. Making it the safest and most durable fusion.

It's also much more difficult, and we can't even make easy mode tritium fusion work yet. All things in due course.

[Anonymous No.9635876]

>>9635865
Yeah, ok rain man. Just eat your animal crackers.

[Anonymous No.9635880]

>>9635859
First off the plasma physics students know exactly how powerful the magnets need to be. Their professors and researchers have lied out their asses for funding.

And ITER? Ha. Did they even finish the building yet? Not the reactor. The building that houses it. They can change or delay the reactor if they want to put the new superconductors on it. But they won't. Got to get their contractor kick backs and an easy long term funding for a project that won't work without the new magnets.

[Anonymous No.9635886]

>>9635880
>First off the plasma physics students know exactly how powerful the magnets need to be. Their professors and researchers have lied out their asses for funding.

I too like to baseline my engineering projects around materials that don't currently exist.

[Anonymous No.9635897]

>>9635880
>And ITER? Ha. Did they even finish the building yet? Not the reactor. The building that houses it. They can change or delay the reactor if they want to put the new superconductors on it. But they won't. Got to get their contractor kick backs and an easy long term funding for a project that won't work without the new magnets.

The entire facility is bespoke construction for the reactor and test instrumentation they settled on years and years ago. Changing the specification at this point would involve scrapping the work, which includes many parts that were fabricated something around a decade ago for this specific machine.

[Anonymous No.9635908]

>>9635886
It is commercially available right now.

>>9635897
It won't be finished for close to ten years. Billions of dollars already. No reason not to change the part that is most important to fusion.

Then again why bother. In the late 2020's the researchers can ask for billions in upgrades which include new magnets. By that time I'm sure some of them will be collecting pension for working on the project for so long.

[Anonymous No.9635913]

>>9635908
>It is commercially available right now.

It wasn't commercially available when they completed the primary engineering work for the fusion reactor.

>It won't be finished for close to ten years. Billions of dollars already. No reason not to change the part that is most important to fusion.

>Then again why bother. In the late 2020's the researchers can ask for billions in upgrades which include new magnets. By that time I'm sure some of them will be collecting pension for working on the project for so long.

ITER is a research reactor, and it was always meant to be one. DEMO is the reactor that is meant to follow up on what they learn with ITER as a prototype commercial, energy generating fusion power plant (or as you probably see it, the billions of dollars of upgrades with new magnets).

[Anonymous No.9636040]

>>9635897
Nice sunk cost fallacy. All funding should be immediately cut and funneled to SPARC/ARC since they are the only ones with actually functional designs. Not this international money siphoning clusterfuck.

[Anonymous No.9636063]

>>9635265
oh christ we're gonna die on this goddamn rock

[Anonymous No.9636186]

>>9636063
Is that supposed to be some kind of revelation? Space travel is infeasible

[Anonymous No.9636242]

>>9636186
Why? If nothing else why not an orbiting city a la elisum?

[Anonymous No.9636298]

>>9636242
>Why?
Humans evolved to live on earth. The chance of finding a planet for humans to live on that is slightly worse than earth is basically zero. The chance of finding a better one is zero.

>If nothing else why not an orbiting city a la elisum?
Have fun dying to ultraviolet radiation for the lack of an ozone layer

[Anonymous No.9636333]

>>9636298
I don't agree with your post but we'll agree to disagree. Fun fact there are people right now, right this very second that are living outside of the ozone layer. I'm not going to reply to you anymore, but just think a little bit before you post. Have a good day anon.

[Anonymous No.9636362]

>>9635265
What about gender studies?

[Anonymous No.9636405]

>>9635086
the improved superconductor tape can only make ITER better to be honest, the stronger the magnets the more tight and better your containment can be so you can up the temperature and get more fusions per second

[Anonymous No.9636415]

>>9635086
If ITER is the only way to get fusion then it will never be economical.

[Anonymous No.9636420]

>>9635825
>obtaining patents
filling for patents it's cheap anon. You can always check if it works later.

[Anonymous No.9636696]

How does a Tokamak reactor remove the helium nuclei that build up as the reactions progress? Do they have to turn the reactor off to remove this waste products or is there some built in mechanism for separating the non-reacting helium from the D-T fuel?
I assume that if you just let it built up then it'll become an energy sink that requires higher and higher temperatures to maintain the reaction.

[Anonymous No.9636722]

>>9636696
They have to run vaccum pumps the entire time it is running.

[Anonymous No.9636731]

"Fusion will produce electricity in 20 years from now" - Fusion research since 1960.

Fusion is a meme. It has never produced more watts than it consumed.

[Anonymous No.9636748]

>>9636722
How do the vacuum pumps preferentially remove helium from the plasma without removing the fuel as well? Since the helium is ionized won't it be confined by the magnetic field just as much as the hydrogen? Or do the slightly heavier helium nuclei have enough inertia to break out of the confinement and be captured by the pumps?

>>9636731
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.9636749]

>>9636731
It's just around the corner but it entirely depends on funding and us fusion researchers are sadly chronically underfunded.

[Anonymous No.9636755]

>>9635322
Then why was the steam engine allowed?

[Anonymous No.9636766]

>>9636748
>>9636749

The absolute state of butthurt.

Why should you guys get funded if the core science doesn't even work out?

Burning money for electricity is more efficient.

[Anonymous No.9636783]

REMINDER:
Do Not Feed The Troll

Are there any realistic designs for a fusion-powered rocket engine capable of operating both at sea level and in space? Like something with a magnetic field configuration that both confines and heats the fuel and directs the reaction products out the bottom of the engine.
I'm imagining something like a modified Tokamak design with a pinched open bottom leading into a nozzle.

[Anonymous No.9636850]

>>9636766
The science does work. Thats why it keeps getting funded. Havent you read a physics book?

[Anonymous No.9636960]

>>9636748
>How do the vacuum pumps preferentially remove helium from the plasma without removing the fuel as well? Since the helium is ionized won't it be confined by the magnetic field just as much as the hydrogen? Or do the slightly heavier helium nuclei have enough inertia to break out of the confinement and be captured by the pumps?

The pink bits at the bottom of the Tokamak remove fusion product exhaust from the chamber.

[Anonymous No.9637014]

>>9635856
I think it's closer to something like, they know it can't be anything other than an experiment (OK, we'll get some valuable info out of it), but they make it *seem* like it gets us way closer to something commercial. And yes, we'd need non-existent technology before we can make that happen. Even if "break even" happens, that's still very far from commercial.

[Anonymous No.9637051]

>>9636748
essentially lighter nuclei get confined better than heavier ones, though the obvious problem is deuterium and tritium are not much lighter than helium, so helium gets gradually removed, but some of the fuel does too! extra fuel needs to be injected to account for that.

[Anonymous No.9637104]

>>9636850
Really? Where, when? What group, under which supervision? Where are the publications, where is the net gain in energy?

[Anonymous No.9637146]

>>9637104
>engineers haven't built a net gain fusion reactor yet
>implying that means it's scientifically impossible

[Anonymous No.9637164]

>>9637146

>I do not like the scientific method

[Anonymous No.9637166]

>>9636755
Before the steam engine people were doing farm labor or artisan work. There was no mass production. No economic system yet existed that relied on planned obsolescence and stagnation to control wealth concentration.

[Anonymous No.9637188]

>>9636960
>The pink bits at the bottom of the Tokamak remove fusion product exhaust from the chamber.
How though? And how do they actually remove the stuff? Isn't it insanely hot still?

[Anonymous No.9637197]

>>9637164
t. guy who would have said powered flight in an airplane was impossible up to 1903.

>>9637188
>How though? And how do they actually remove the stuff? Isn't it insanely hot still?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divertor

Centrifugal force apparently.

[Anonymous No.9637206]

Reminder that ITER is suspended because Trump cut all research funding.

[Anonymous No.9637226]

>>9637197
>t. guy who would have said powered flight in an airplane was impossible up to 1903

But they had flying prototypes, called birds.

[Anonymous No.9637239]

>>9637226
*points to the sun*

[Anonymous No.9637241]

>>9637226
>We dont see fusion anywhere in the universe

[Anonymous No.9637245]

>>9635075
fasfafafa

[Anonymous No.9637258]

>>9637206
Good.

[Anonymous No.9637264]

>>9637239
>>9637241

>Science is right because my professor tells me so

No wonder you are called zealots of scientism.

Have men achieved fusion under laboratory conditions, let alone energy gain?

Fusion research is the original "quantum free energy" meme, and should belong next to antigravity research, warp drive research and the likes.

[Anonymous No.9637278]

>>9637264
>Have men achieved fusion under laboratory conditions,
Yes that's easily reproducible. If you were skilled enough you could make a simple device at home that fuses small amounts of hydrogen.
let alone energy gain?
Not yet.

[Anonymous No.9637291]

>>9635075
I hear there is some of it happening in the sun.

[Anonymous No.9637296]

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[Anonymous No.9637300]

>>9635756
lol you're obviously too young to remember the "Big Lockheed Martin Fusion Breakthrough (TM)" a few years ago. Stop reading ads.

[Anonymous No.9637304]

>>9637300
What, you don't think Lockheed is making a working fusion reactor several times smaller and more efficient than anything being tested so far?

[Anonymous No.9637310]

>>9637304
probably, and elon musk is making bite sized supercomputers that turn your poop into a sexy russian gf

[Anonymous No.9637316]

>>9637296
You have pipes that can handle pumping molten salt around?

[Anonymous No.9637490]

>>9637264
we had fusion since like the 1940's. it's really easy to do. you could do it in your garage. it is still a meme though and will never be commercial.

[Anonymous No.9637496]

>>9636040
this is the correct answer. ARC is small, and has a clear path to positive Q. Who'd a thunk all we needed was 15 years of magnet research?

[Anonymous No.9637795]

>>9637496
>Who'd a thunk all we needed was 15 years of magnet research?

General Atomics and MIT also figured out that radio waves can be used to control plasma density within the last five years.

https://phys.org/news/2014-10-radio-density-fusion-plasma.html

[Anonymous No.9637847]

>>9637197
Centrifugal force does not exist you absolute mongoloid.
Its an illusion caused by tangential acceleration.
You can start posting here after youre done with your first year of university.

[Anonymous No.9637853]

>>9637847
(you)

[Anonymous No.9637916]

>>9636298

Ultraviolet radiation is stopped by glass. Proton radiation is tougher but can be stopped by bulk matter shielding.

We don't FIND a planet. We build habitats, thousands of them. A thousand glittering worlds, orbiting the Sun.

[Anonymous No.9637924]

Just study, if you trust yourself, we just might make it.

[Anonymous No.9638037]

>>9636783
Probably not.
All the stuff about how the fields keep the plasma from touching the walls "so they don't destroy the reactor" is BS. There's actually a pretty decent vacuum inside the toroid. Two reasons:
1) Room density gas at sun-core temperature would exert incredible pressure. Rip the magnets to shreds.
2) Matter at "reasonable" densities radiates energy as the 4th power of its temperature. Heating couldn't keep up with the losses and the plasma would simply cool down. Very thin gasses, where the mean-free-path is as large as or larger than the container lose heat much more slowly.
We've all been hit by particles much more energetic than what's in a fusor. But if the density is low, so is the energy-content. If the plasma touches the walls, the "fire" simply goes out. Like you'd blow out a candle.

Tokamaks have to be pumped to a high vacuum or the air (which isn't ionized and can't be held back by fields) just diffuses in and steals energy you'd like to stay with the protons.

I visited the Toke in Princeton once. They could only do one shot a week. First, there were days of pumping. Then the power was turned on for more days to "bake" the insides of the torus to drive off any adsorbed surface gasses. It was a marvelous piece of engineering -- but difficult to imagine it turning into a commercial power plant.

So fusion rockets are likely to be space-only, low-thrust jobs.

[Anonymous No.9638085]

>>9638037
Yeah, we are pretty much stuck with chemical rockets for the forseeable future, which is fine if rockets can be made truly reliable and reusable which seems is becoming a reality. I think in our lifetimes we can hope to see reusable rockets flying shit into orbit and larger ships constructed in orbit that use nuclear thermal to jet around the system.

[Anonymous No.9638170]

Hi, bampeny bamptino here. The imageboards faggiest science anon; and today we're gonna be taking a look at an actual link to an actual website from O_U_T_S_I_D_E_ the anime forums. What I like most about these guy's is the fact that they are actually showing results and creating a fusion reactor that is actually practical.
https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/3_VOLBERG.pdf

[Anonymous No.9638179]

50 years away

[Anonymous No.9638186]

>>9638179
>its only 20 years away!

[Anonymous No.9638222]

>>9638037
>Room density gas at sun-core temperature would exert incredible pressure
>Tokamaks have to be pumped to a high vacuum

At nominal temperatures, the pressure ends up being close to 1 ATM. So yeah, it's a pretty damn diffuse plasma.

[Anonymous No.9638323]

>>9635265
if we figure out how to give enough people the right kind of autsim then all our science woes will be over. that activate any almonds over there, chief?

[Anonymous No.9638464]

>>9635318
Nope. It's night time. They're off for maintenance.

[Anonymous No.9639329]

>>9635075
not gonna happen

[Anonymous No.9639340]

If anyone's going to get the tech working in the near future it's probably General Fusion. Their concept is a lot more capable of dealing with the obstacles to a practical reactor than other designs.

[Anonymous No.9639734]

>>9635075
>burning up water for fuel
Stupid as fuck. Better to use uranium and thorium as we have a fuckload of it in the crust and also a pretty much limitless supply in the earth's core + it is not the irreplaceable ingredient of life without which everything would fucking die.

[Anonymous No.9639769]

>>9639734
nice bait

[Anonymous No.9639783]

If we double the budget we will halve the development time.

[Anonymous No.9639888]

>>9637264
Not to feed the troll or anything...

[Anonymous No.9639900]

>>9635086
>ITER
>achieving anything
that shit was disgustingly outdated before construction even fucking began

[Anonymous No.9639932]

>>9639734

[Anonymous No.9640009]

>>9635265
citation needed

[Anonymous No.9641345]

>>9639888
I might be falling for some kind of 4D counter-trolling but that's not a hydrogen bomb - it's shot Baker from Operation Crossroads in 1946, which only tested fission devices since thermonuclear bombs had not been developed yet.
Obviously that doesn't make the post you quoted any less wrong though.

[Anonymous No.9641422]

>>9636731
>It has never produced more watts than it consumed.

[Anonymous No.9641445]

>>9641422
it doesn't really count if you need to use a nuclear explosion as the initiator for fusion

[Anonymous No.9641456]

>>9638186
Always is 20 years away....always.

[Anonymous No.9641509]

>>9636731
"Please stop cutting our funding oh fuck you just did it again for fuck's sake" - Fusion research since 1960

[Anonymous No.9641695]

CFR

[Anonymous No.9641697]

>>9641695
CFR ,2

[Anonymous No.9641704]

TAE have a pretty cool concept, but they have a long way to go. I wish i had more data on Helion energy but they're pretty quiet about things.

[Anonymous No.9641746]

>>9641509
>Ok cunts here is some fusion research money in the form of an international contractor circlejerk clusterfuck
>No wait fuck we don't want that stop pls

[Anonymous No.9641778]

>>9636362
Jobs that require social skills are gonna resist automation. Majors like womens studies and other social worker type shit will grow pretty strongly as boomers age.

[Anonymous No.9641781]

>>9641778
Just fuck my society up bro

[Anonymous No.9642182]

>pull all funding from ITER
>create a contest in which fusion companies submit their proposals and timelines in the hope of receiving government funding
>council of top scientists and engineers evaluate the proposals based on likelihood of success, time to break even, and suitableness for commercial energy production
>funding awarded to the best candidate with requirements for regular updates on progress, blockers, and projected timeline.
Why don't we do this?

[Anonymous No.9642193]

>>9641704
If their concept is correct, they actually don't. According to their concept keeping the plasma stable at billions of degrees should be easier than at hundreds of millions of degrees. So the "only" hard part is actually achieving a burning plasma per se, as you heat it up, it would get easier and easier to control/self-contain.

[Anonymous No.9642207]

>>9642182
Because fusion is science first, commercial viability second, not the other way around. Also i would imagine oil lobby would screech to high heavens the moment anything actually end user viable would beginning to surface. They already do all they can to hamper any kind of alternative energy source research, euros and burgers are already scared shitless of nuclear plants because of it.

[Anonymous No.9642478]

>>9635075
By the time we achive a net energy gain from fusion, renewables will have become so cheap, nothing will be able to compete against them.

[Anonymous No.9642483]

>>9635075
Nuclear fusion is the energy of the future.. forever.

[Anonymous No.9642527]

>>9642182
create a contest in which fusion companies submit their proposals and timelines
>council of top scientists and engineers

you think a bunch of suits understand nuclear fusion? they are going to magically come up with a fusion plan? if they had a fusion plan, theyve patented the shit out of it and be making billions by now
what do you think iter is? iter IS your top scientists
leaving nuclear anything up to private industry would be catastrophic as they turn it into a get rich quick marketing scheme like elon musk and dump all the useful parts of it, cutting corners and exploiting workers whenever they can to produce a heap of cheap trash.

[Anonymous No.9642535]

>>9641778
Luckily any job too complicated for the robots is gonna take something more impressive than a fucking women's studies degree. Those hipster brainlets are only going to get as much work as people demand, and chances are they're just gonna smoke weed funded by UBI.

[Anonymous No.9642600]

>>9635265
>tfw autists complaining about autism research getting more funding than their object of autistic obsession

[Anonymous No.9642682]

>>9642527
This.
If we want fusion to succeed we must not repeat the mistake of the aerospace sector.

[The Lord No.9642703]

I guess if Lockheed just patented a nuclear airplane then the new nuclear powered missile that Russia is fielding is probably running on fusion already. Also, is that not exculpatory evidence that indeed the government was out to get me?

[The Lord No.9642708]

>>9642600
I have a ton of success and pride in my results. I just don't have the notes of any of the centralized national banks to show for it.
>capitalism

[Anonymous No.9642813]

>>9642527
>leaving nuclear anything up to private industry would be ... like elon musk
Cool, that's exactly what I want to happen. Maybe split up the funding between the most promising candidates to encourage competition.
SpaceX has already proven that private industry with some limited help from government funding is the best way to encourage progress in risky but ultimately beneficial fields.

[Anonymous No.9642844]

>>9637316
Yeah Ethernet Cable

[Anonymous No.9643790]

>>9635913
>Calling the reactor after the demo, DEMO
Jej

[Anonymous No.9643810]

>>9642527

Get rich quick schemes are all your ever get from government programs. They universally lack vision.

[Anonymous No.9644385]

>>9642207
>Also i would imagine oil lobby would screech to high heavens the moment anything actually end user viable would beginning to surface. They already do all they can to hamper any kind of alternative energy source research, euros and burgers are already scared shitless of nuclear plants because of it.

[Anonymous No.9644408]

>>9641445
>polysterene foam
>styrofoam
>a hydrogen bomb is mostly styrofoam by volume
Styrofoam proliferation must be stopped.

[Anonymous No.9644613]

>>9636298
>finding a planet for humans to live

what kind third world migrant mentality is this?! you BUILD suitable environments on other world or create ones ourselves. Are you a nigger or something?

[Anonymous No.9645521]

>>9644613
Ayo where the Martian wimminz at. Ganymede be needin reparashuns n shieeet.

[Anonymous No.9646353]

>>9637264
>gets BTFO
>le scientism meme
Butthurt

[Anonymous No.9646360]

>>9636405
its not like you can go back and change the design of ITER
its packed so tight you can't even fucking maintain it

[Anonymous No.9646396]

>>9644613
This
>inb4 but terraforming is impossible too
Wrong. And nobody says you have to do the whole planet at once.

[Anonymous No.9647640]

>>9636242
>why not an orbiting city a la elisum?

WEW lad, steady on, the ISS cost 150 BILLION and and it costs millions per person per day to operate and keep afloat.

Orbiting city my ass.
We need MANY very basic advancements like continuous thrusters that don't rely on propellant for one, we need to catch an asteroid, put it in orbit, send robots to it and let them build infrastructure on it and even that is probably at least 100 years off.

[Anonymous No.9647650]

>>9637296
Protip:

It's a meme, instead of uranium 235 you now use uranium 233, also weapons-grade, arguably even more suitable.

Pic related.

Basically, it's a Uranium fission reactor with extra steps with several pro's and cons compared to normal fission reactor designs.
The vessel in which the salt is contained is highly corrosive and bombarded by neutrons so it would require a shit load of frequent and expensive maintenance in practice.

Comparatively, normal uranium fissile reactors are kept in huge water tanks instead, the liquid thorium salt being a liquid, this doesn't work and so it needs a solid reactor wall which then needs to be replaced and maintained all the time while being highly radioactive and poisonous.

[Anonymous No.9647653]

>>9642813
Fuck off back to the normieweb you Musk loving moron.
Tesla will go bankrupt along with facebook within a decade.

His rocket business is very nice and worthy of praise, yes.

But then he has to completely ruin it with his retarded non viable iShingles roofing scheme that idiotic blind sentiment sensitive "world improvers" who don't even know how a solar panel even works to begin with drool all over.

[Anonymous No.9647656]

>>9647653

All that stuff you hate is just a quick way to get funding for his rockets, which are the only thing he cares about.

[Anonymous No.9647658]

>>9647656
If that is the case he built a house of cards that will collapse and then be carved up by industrial scavengers and hedge-funds.

[Anonymous No.9647661]

>>9647658

He doesn't care once his rocket business is up and running, which it already is more or less.

[Anonymous No.9647662]

>>9647653
I'm sorry you don't like the solar shingles, but they are extremely A E S T H E T I C

[Anonymous No.9647665]

>>9647661
>ok lol take Tesla and Boring company I don't give a shit check out this big fucking rocket

[Anonymous No.9647666]

>>9647662
Literally the iphone of roofing.

[Anonymous No.9647667]

>>9647661

Fuck you, idiot. All these private rocket firms will fold in the next 2 years, max. Only ULA has the discipline and the know-how to make it for the long haul.

[Anonymous No.9647668]

>>9647665

He really doesn't. Have you not read his own comments? All he wants is to build a settlement on Mars. Electric cars and trans-continental tubes are just a means to an end. What's your issue here?

[Anonymous No.9647677]

>>9647662
If he had spent all the money he put into that roofing project into just flat out paying for insulating of houses or city wide heating projects using leftover heat from industry he could have actually reduced wasteful power consumption and overall done more good for the environment and human demand on energy infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.9647685]

>>9647677

That sort of thinking leads nowhere. It doesn't build anything bigger or change paradigms.

[Anonymous No.9647693]

>>9647685
>tangible improvement
>mystery-box
>pipe dream.

[Anonymous No.9647698]

>>9644408
it's also an amphetamine precursor
who really NEEDS styrofoam in today's society?

[Anonymous No.9647714]

>>9647698
They make PMK out of polystyrene these days?

[Anonymous No.9647727]

>>9637104
>Go outside during the day
>Look up
Congrats dude, you've just witnessed a successful fusion reaction!

[Anonymous No.9647741]

>>9647714
some guys use styrene monomer sold for fiberglass applications. don't know if anyone is actually destructively distilling styrofoam on a commerical scale. pretty funny though

[Anonymous No.9647856]

Fusion its a fucking meme

When people tried to create free energy engines, they realized that its not possible and 1st law of thermodynamics was made.

If anything scientists should start to think that there may be a reason that makes it not produce net energy unless you are the fucking sun or a hydrogen bomb.

[Anonymous No.9647861]

>>9647856

[Anonymous No.9647868]

>>9647741
I imagine that would be hard to hide.

[Anonymous No.9648286]

FUSION is NOT the answer. It needs to be saved for rockets. The ANSWER is the higgs' boson remover! anyone know of an electrical particle that contains a higg's boson? due to the movement of the earth and its spin, the particle will be left behind in space and a direct current circuit will be made

[Anonymous No.9648650]

>>9647668
I'm agreeing with you dickhead

[Anonymous No.9648721]

>>9647856
Its not free energy. It is more efficient release of energy.

[Anonymous No.9648772]

>>9648286
>FUSION is NOT the answer. It needs to be saved for rockets.
>sorry guys we're worried about a shortage of the most abundant material in the universe and we need that shit for rockets so you're gonna have to put your cheap unlimited energy ideas on the back burner mmkay?