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Why is majoring in Civil/Mech Engineering looked down on so much in /sci/?

>> No.9541829

>>9541797
Civil Engineering and Mechanical Engineering should not be listed together in the first place. They are completely different (to be clear: Civil < Mech).
The people who made that chart are either not engineers or a group of ChemE/EE. circlejerk.

>> No.9541937

I never seen people make fun of ME's. ME is the broadest and essentially the base engineering major because you can cross into all other engineering programs easily. Like you can become a petroleum engineer if you have a background in PE (obviously) or ChemE or ME. ME is the safest engineering major to choose in terms of job outlook because you can pivot. Civil Engineers do get shit on but only because their curriculum is the easiest engineering curriculum because they deal with stuff that doesn't move. Also Civil is getting infested with women now and anything seen with women in it loses prestige.

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>>9541797
ftfy

>> No.9541981

>>9541973
>theology not in God tier
ya fucked up

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9542003

>>9541797
>cs
>mid

no.

>> No.9542012

>9542003
I POSTED IT AGAIN!!!!!!!

>> No.9542015

>>9541973
I mean damn, you were smoking some crack to put art, computer sci, psychology and biology so high.

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>>9541797
>African American Studies
Is that really a thing in burgerland? Ffs, my sides

>> No.9542024

>>9541797
This picture is utter bullshit. How is Computer Science comparable to Theology?

>> No.9542038

>>9541937
This. Mechanical Engineers rule the world.

>> No.9542052

>>9541797
Applied Physics and Production Engineering double major guy here.

I was passing all the mathematical parts of mechanical engineering courses thanks to the maths I learned in Physics. I was passing all the other theory parts thanks to common knowledge. Labs were fun to have though. I had mechanical engineering courses to have a double degree in mechanical engineering but it turned out that wasn't enough so they gave me production one.

Mechanical engineering is useful and shit just as any other. We are living in such a time that no matter which STEM field you are in, as long as you have very good understanding of maths, programming and practical parts of physics, you can easily get a job in most of the STEM fields.

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>>9541797
>>9541973
>>9542003

>Astronomy
>Mid

Typical brainlets

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>>9542121
>astronomylets mooching off physics IQs

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>>9541797
>chemistry
>not in shit tier
I never ever ever ever ever studied a subject more
boring and dull than chemistry. The only interesting bits in it can be learned in a physics class

>> No.9542280

>>9542150
I'm a senior undergrad doing a chem/physics major. I'm also doing research in a materials science lab where we're working on (primarily) manganese-based semi-conductors, and I've found that____ you know what actually the best parts of chemistry are the physical sides of it. Thermo, atomic/molecular orbital theory, and electrochemistry are all physics and materials science just as much as they are chemistry.

>> No.9542391

>>9541797
>Engineering not at least 2 tiers below physics and at least 1 tier below CS
>Astrophysics, the highest IQ degree, below engineering and medicine.
>Foreign language is a waste of life.
>Teacher is a degree.
/pol/tards are not welcome on this board. You will need to leave, engineer.

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close.

>> No.9542660

>>9542656
Place History on top and you've got yourself a deal.

>> No.9542947

>>9541797
I'm a Biochem and Maths joint honours student, where does that put me? Does it average out and put me in Top Tier?

>> No.9542963 [DELETED] 

>>9541797

Elder Gods (MD or PhD required)
Neurosurgeon. Pure Math, Theoretical Physics, Astrophysics, Optics, Solid State Physics, Telecom (EE), Plasma Physics, Physical Chemistry, Pharma, Organic Chemistry, Nuclear (ME).

Demi-Gods (MSc required)
Applied Math, Statistics, Experimental Physics, Biophysics, Geophysics, Observational Astronomy, Controls (EE), Electronics (EE), Analytical Chemistry, Biochemistry, ChemE Aerospace (ME), Biomedical (ME), Economics

Mere Mortals
Thermal (ME), Structures (ME/CivilE), Computer Science, Fluids (ME/CivilE), Geotech (CivilE)

Peasants
Transportation (CivilE), Enviromental Engineering, Industrial Engineering, Biology

Slaves, Whores, Eunuchs & Thieves
Humanities, Arts, Sociology, Theology, Sports

>> No.9542967

>>9541797

Elder Gods (MD or PhD required)
Neurosurgeon (MD). Pure Math, Theoretical Physics, Astrophysics, Optics, Solid State Physics, Telecom (EE), Plasma Physics, Physical Chemistry, Pharma, Organic Chemistry, Nuclear (ME).

Demi-Gods (MSc required)
Pediatrician (MD), Applied Math, Statistics, Experimental Physics, Biophysics, Geophysics, Observational Astronomy, Controls (EE), Electronics (EE), Analytical Chemistry, Biochemistry, ChemE Aerospace (ME), Biomedical (ME), Economics

Mere Mortals
Power (EE), Dentists, Thermal (ME), Structures (ME/CivilE), Computer Science, Fluids (ME/CivilE), Geotech (CivilE)

Peasants
Nursing, Transportation (CivilE), Enviromental Engineering, Industrial Engineering, Biology

The Filthiest Slaves, Whores, Eunuchs & Thieves
Humanities, Arts, Sociology, Theology, Sports

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>>9541797
>theology over economics, law, and IT
>mech eng is bad
>fucking theology really man?

>> No.9543036

>>9541797
on what merit are these rankings based on though? i could argue that physics is shit tier if my ranking is based on employment and wages

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/sci/, I literally only majored in EE because it was in a god tier chart and I've been successful so far

how fucked am I?

>> No.9543040

>>9542967
>pure math and theoretical physics on elder god tier

enjoy flipping burgers

>> No.9543043

>>9543036
tbf the only ranking that matters is employment and wages.
In that sense CS is head and shoulder above every STEM major with biology, math, and physics at the very bottom. Those three are pretty shit majors all things considered.

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>>9541797
literally can't refute this.

>> No.9543057

>>9543047
>IT above CS
>a business major where you barely learn any programing or advanced CS theory or math being better then CS

God you people are so retarded. The more you post the more ignorant you look. I don't even think any of you know what CS is.

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>>9543057
IT above CS because CS is now oversaturated with pajeet maggots who are willing to work twice as much as you, for half the salary, so unless you're literally john carmack you won't get a job above entry salary, or a job at all.

whereas IT could give you a sysadmin job with a fat fucking salary, or you can sit down fixing idiot employees' computers and get fat currency.

and i'm not wrong about busineess, it is better than pseudochology or literally everything else not listed in that chart.

>> No.9543072

>>9543057
also CpE/SE doublemajor BTFO's CS

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>>9543057
>advanced CS theory
>"advanced"

top kek

>> No.9543102

>>9543069
Even if you where right (which you aren't) entry level salary for CS is higher then a sysadmin job. Hell a CS major can get that sysadmin job as well. That's not impressive at all. Did you even take the time to research what you are talking about or did you just fall for /sci/ memes? Next thing I know you're gonna start claiming a software engineering degree is better than a CS degree. Protip, no one take SE degrees seriously.

>>9543072
>two majors is better than one major
You're not that bright, are you?

>>9543075
>post memes that are completely false to try and prove a point
I can smell the jealousy. No need to feel inferior.

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>>9543102
>entry level salary for CS is higher then a sysadmin job
I FUCKING LOVE THE SMELL OF INDIANS IN THE MORNING

you really, REALLY need to go on >>>/g/dpt/ for once and ask the retarded code monkeys there for their experiences in their CS degrees and employability.

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>>9543102
>hello am pajeet

>> No.9543121

>>9542656
>Music
>God tier
SCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM GANG

>> No.9543127

>>9543107
>>9543111
>being this retarded.
Let me give you some advice, next time try and argue a topic you're familiar with so you don't look like a complete retard. I know that might seem kinda hard considering how retarded you both are so instead keep your mouth shut.

SysAdmin
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/network-and-computer-systems-administrators.htm#tab-1

software developer
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm

Pajeets go into programming for the most part, not software development. Even then they're not trusted. No need to feel so insecure btw. That insecurity is the reason why IT fags are a laughing stock.

>> No.9543133

>>9543127
>makes fun of software engineeering
>posts job that only non-pajeet software engineers get

Now post how much your actual code monkey gets:
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Computer_Programmer/Salary
faggot.

>> No.9543138

>>9543127
>>9543102
>>9543057
poo in loo

>> No.9543150

>>9543138
>>9543133
Are you really this retarded? SE is a meme degree. CS majors take software engineering and software development jobs, not SE majors. A school offering an SE major is a joke for the most part. No one takes it seriously and a CS degree is always better. Even read the actual BLS part on how to become a software developer and it says "Software developers usually have a bachelor’s degree in computer science and strong computer programming skills." Go read that now you retard.

>payscale computer programmer
To add icing on the cake and remove all doubt that you really are mentally retarded you link to pay for computer programmers. A CS major is not a code monkey you drooling retard. IT is closer to being a code monkey but IT is usually not even good enough to be that as an IT major usually has an extremely shallow programming background. What you're defending, IT, is at the level of a pajeet.

Tell me, where you dropped on the head as a child or where you just born retarded? How dumb do you have to be to fall for /sci/ memes without even taking the time to research what you are discussing? I already made you look like an idiot and rather then leaving you came back to put your ignorance in display. The retarded simply can't help themselves.

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>>9543150
>csfag (a pajeet nonetheless) calls anything a meme degree
>YOUR SOURCE IS WRONG FOR <insert arbitrary reasons>

>> No.9543153

>>9543150
>A CS major is not a code monkey
nigger
NIGGER
CS MAJORS ARE *THE* ORIGINAL CODE MONKEYS

>> No.9543155

>>9543150
>SE is a meme degree.

Let me say this better, software engineering is a good discipline but a uni that offers an SE degree is often if not always worse then a CS degree. SE degrees are usually shallow CS degrees and CS majors always look better for those jobs.

>> No.9543156

>>9543152
My source is BLS which states a CS degree is needed for software development. You have no source that states otherwise but instead linked to computer programming salaries while failing to understand the difference between a programmer and a developer. I get you're just being retarded to save face but all you do is look even stupider. How does it feel to know I made you my bitch?

>>9543153
and a mechanical engineer is the original mechanical engineering technician, what's your point?

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>>9543156
>All other websites indicate that the average CSfag pajeet makes 60k
>except for yours
>and yours say that software devs are also software engineering majors
go to the "how to become one" tab

>> No.9543173

>>9543127
>he thinks pajeets code monkeys can make 100k yearly
honestly now

>> No.9543194

>>9541797
ME does take shit, but it's not because it is looked down: it's because the other areas are so overestimated. ME is equally or more difficult than EE or ChemE. Anyone telling you otherwise is a retard.
Regarding Civil Engineering, see >>9541937

>> No.9543198

>>9543173
>>9543170
>still being retarded

BLS is the official government website that compiles data for employment in the US. As BLS has stated a computer science degree is most often then not necessary for the job. The website you linked is about pay for computer programmers which is distinct from software development/engineering. A CS major can become a programmer just like they can become a sysAdmin but they can also become a software developer and much more. Basically a CS major is much better then IT.

I'm starting to think you where born retarded. I don't know why you keep saying 'Pajeet' when its IT that is in danger of being replaced by IT. Also stop making multiple post, its clear you're the same retard. Why are you so butthurt though? Is it just insecurity from the knowledge that you're inferior? It'd say it feels good to be better than trash like you but you're not even worth being compared to.

>> No.9543201

>>9543198
Nigger, i don't give no fucks about no government, if you think the average pajeet makes 100k, that's some delusion right there, plus, like what the other anon said, every single other website states otherwise

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>>9543198
>The website you linked is about pay for computer programmers which is distinct from software development/engineering
that's the point, dipshit.

as i said waaay earlier, programmer=/=pajeet code monkey
99% of CS majors are code monkeys
the other 1% are john carmack types (and only that 1% makes 100 thousand dollars per year)

whereas you're the one who stated earlier that the average compsci major makes more than IT then proceeded to post a software dev salary, retard.

>> No.9543240

>>9542391
>board shills itself as basically muh math
>engineers are 3rd best at math behind mathys and psychos
>hate engies while thinking the sciences that don't even use calc are god-tier

>> No.9543242

>>9542391
>>Engineering not at least 2 tiers below physics and at least 1 tier below CS
HAHAHAHAHAHA, no.

>> No.9543246

>>9543210
>>9543201
Pajeets are not software developers you drooling retard, they take web design and IT jobs. Are you illiterate?

>99% of CS majors are code monkeys
You never cease to amaze me with how retarded you are. Can you not help yourself? Did you never take the time to actually research this shit before making your retarded post?

I'll post the official stats just to show you how retarded you are

Computer programmer
>https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/computer-programmers.htm
>Number of Jobs, 2016: 294,900

Software Developer (a CS job)
>https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm#tab-1
>Number of Jobs, 2016: 1,256,200
>How to Become a Software Developer
>"Software developers usually have a bachelor’s degree in computer science and strong computer programming skills."
>1,256,200 fucking jobs for software development given mainly to CS majors with an average salary of $102,280 per year

A pajeet is not a CS major you literal monkey. They don't take software development jobs but rather they compete for fucking web development jobs, IT jobs, and maybe some of them are decent enough to compete for programming jobs.

>whereas you're the one who stated earlier that the average compsci major makes more than IT then proceeded to post a software dev salary, retard.
Because a software developer most often then not has a CS degree you drooling retard. There are 1,256,200 jobs for Software dev and only 294,900 jobs for programming. Most CS majors do software dev not programming. Can you not read or are you truly this retarded?

How do you plan on looking like a literal retard next? Maybe you should fuck off instead of constantly becoming my literal bitch.

>> No.9543247

>>9543029
>theology grouped in with philosophy
>still being triggered

You have to be over the age of 18 to post here.

>> No.9543251

>>9543036
>on what merit are these rankings based on though
How much you learn. School isn't job training retard.

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>>9543102
>>post memes that are completely false to try and prove a point
>I can smell the jealousy. No need to feel inferior.

>>>/g/ is your containment board, >>>/g/tfo

>> No.9543261

I-is architecture considered a good degree in your country?
Asking for a friend.

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>>9543246
get a load of this pajeet
read what >>9543173 said

>> No.9543269

>>9543262
>Gets BTFO so badly refuses to read.

No shame in looking like a retard anon, just accept what you are.

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>>9543246
>>9543262
i mean don't get me wrong you have no idea how much i want you to be correct in your claims because i'm aiming to either computer engineering or CS but to claim that compsci majors make a hundred thousand dollars meanwhile all other statistics websites say otherwise is retarded

>> No.9543273

>>9543246
>>1,256,200 fucking jobs for software development given mainly to CS majors with an average salary of $102,280 per year

Over 45% of software jobs go to people without CS degrees.

>> No.9543274

>>9543260
>proceeds to post memes to try and prove a point

No need to feel inferior anon. Get rid of that inferiority complex.

>> No.9543276

>>9541797
>chemistry
>god tier
kek

>> No.9543277

>>9543269
Because if you want me to believe that over 125,000,000 compsci majors make over 100k you're retarded.

>> No.9543282

>>9543277
It's 1,256,200 you illiterate monkey. And the pay is the average. Some make more some make less. If you look through the site it breaks down the pay further even by state.
These are official stats, how are you even doubting them?

>>9543273
Source?

>> No.9543284

>>9543274
>doesn't even realize the image perfectly describes (you)

I am so sorry.

>> No.9543288

>>9543282
>It's 1,256,200
yeah my bad, my point still stands.
> how are you even doubting them?
look at how many statistic websites say otherwise, tens and tens of them

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>>9543102
>>post memes that are completely false to try and prove a point
>>I can smell the jealousy. No need to feel inferior.

>disregard all points raised
>respond with insults

CS brainlets are the worst. At least employers are start to wise up and growingly viewing the degree with contempt and disdain.

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>>9543307
>>post memes that are completely false to try and prove a point
>>I can smell the jealousy. No need to feel inferior.

>disregard all points raised
>respond with insults

CS brainlets are the worst. At least employers are starting to wise up and growingly viewing the degree with contempt and disdain.

>> No.9543314

>>9543270
Its the official government website with compiled statistics. The pay is the average but it really depends on where you live. Most of these jobs are in California where the cost of living is high already. If you click on state and area data the stats are further broken down by state. It even has links to other websites that have local stats to give you an idea of how the pay is like in your area.

All other statistic websites don't say otherwise but they rather narrow it down based on area or on self reporting. The problem with this is not everyone reports their salary and what the government defines as "software development" might not be what they define as that. For example software engineering is often separated as different in other statistics but the government groups software engineering within software development. Why? I don't fucking know. Likewise some software engineering jobs might be grouped within computer programming for who knows why. These stats also don't say anything about experience so starting salaries are always going to be lower. Starting salaries are often in the $60,000 -65,000 range but it varies by area. LA for example has starting salaries around 85,000. Realistically these stats are good for knowing which field has plenty of employment not so much for what you'll be making but the average pay is a good indicator of which field pays more.

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>it's another STEM elitism thread.

>> No.9543321

>>9541973
how can an individual put philosophy on top and theology on bottom? literally fedora tipping nietcheee-faggot

do yourself a favor and read aristotle and aquinas, specially summa contra gentiles

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>>9543047
>puts high school teacher at the bottom.
t. angsty teen.

>> No.9543330
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prove me wrong.

protip: you literally can't.

>> No.9543333

>>9543284
>doesn't even realize the image and your further post perfectly describe your insecurity
I'm so sorry.
>>9543310
That's because some unis offers shit degrees titled CS. Its a problem as the field isn't fully well defined. That's not surprising but your ignorance on the field is. Not all states have this problem, California universities have done a geat job in giving proper degrees for the field.

>>9543288
See >>9543314
Look at local area stats to get a better idea.

>> No.9543340

>>9543330
This is ultimately what these threads can be reduced to.

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>>9543333 >>9543330 >>9543321 >>9543317 >>9543314 >>9543276

SAT Math Scores by Race, Sex and Major.
>This is the definitive ranking.

>> No.9543344

>>9543341
Math > Physics > Engineering > Whites > Asians > Biology > Hispanics > Sociology > Computer Science > Economics > Humanities > Blacks > K-12 Education

>> No.9543345

>>9543333
>That's because some unis offers shit degrees titled CS. Its a problem as the field isn't fully well defined. That's not surprising but your ignorance on the field is. Not all states have this problem, California universities have done a geat job in giving proper degrees for the field.

CS courses everywhere are a joke. Some are just more of a joke than others but the fact remains that you guys don't learn a 1/3 of the content that's covered in other STEM programs at even the best of school. Sure you're better than no name schools that relabel IT as CS degrees, but that's like a retard with an IQ of 70 being proud he isn't a retard with an IQ of 60....

btw: the cliche "shit school" response was already mentioned in >>9543260 :^). Try to be more original with your deflections.

>> No.9543348

>>9543194
Ee major here, me is way more difficult than ee it’s not even a question

>> No.9543349

>>9543344
>unironically ranking Asian males below Whites.

>> No.9543350

>>9543344
>blacks are smarter than the teachers of the classes they never show up to
America needs to reevaluate it's education system.

>> No.9543360

>>9543194
>ME is equally or more difficult than EE or ChemE

>ChemEs take harder thermodynamics courses
>ChemEs take harder fluid mechanics courses
>ChemEs take harder heat and mass transfer courses
>ChemEs take harder control courses
>MechEs take fluff cad/machine design courses when ChemEs are doing separation process, reactor design, and process/plant design

You're delusional as fuck.

>> No.9543371

>>9543345
How can you say its a joke when you've never actually studied it? Why do you feel the need to try and prove it when you're clearly painfully ignorant on the field? Can you not see how insecure you look?

You literally seep with insecurity. I don't even know why. Maybe its jealousy that CS majors have better job prospects or better pay but either way your need to try and prove your false sense of superiority just makes you look pathetic. The field is still new and with information technology branching off its become harder to define with some universities giving easier information technology degrees labeled as CS. The accredited bodies have attempted to prevent this by trying to further define each discipline.

Yet instead of looking at the obvious your sense of inferiority makes you lash out at CS to try and prove something. CS is not superior to other majors nor is it inferior, its simply different. Your sense of inferiority is downright pathetic but you're not wrong in feeling inferior, you are inferior. Not because of your major or whatever but the person you are itself is inferior. Stop being butthurt.

>> No.9543373

>>9543360
>"Harder"
>Courses are actually DIFFERENT because they're directed towards different objectives regarding each branch
You're a brainlet

>> No.9543380

>>9543371
>projecting
>projecting
>projecting
>projecting

lel. way to prove cs majors are brainlets dude.

>> No.9543383

>>9543371
I feel so sorry for you. Because you never studied a real major before, you don't realize how badly you were conned out of a proper education in CS. Sure you might think Rosen, CLRS, and Sipser were challenging, but they are a joke compare to Rudin and Shankar.

>> No.9543389

>>9543380
>No arguments all you can say is
>"Y-you're projecting"

Seething.
Nothing more fun the making fun of brailets. I gave you solid arguments and you responded with memes as you where top stupid to come up with something else. Maybe one day you'll grow up.

>> No.9543395

>>9543383
Did you study math? I've seen tons of math majors who tried minoring in CS only to struggle with a basic data structures class. What did you study? What would you consider a real major?

You sound like a child though. Never studied CS yet claim its not a real major to try and hold some false sense of superiority. For someone who is claiming to be educated I'm amazed you can't see how dumb you look.

>> No.9543409

>>9543383
>I feel so sorry for you
the redflag

>> No.9543422

tfw business degree allows for social life and job in consulting/IB earning 70k/year

>> No.9543432

>>9541973

>Business, Accounting, Theology, Finance, Management = Filth

Found the middle-class socialist. Go back to your summer job painting houses fuckstick.

>> No.9543433

>>9543395
>The intro to programming 102 practical course is hard for people who never coded before
>therefore our 300&400 level """theoretical""" courses must be hard too!

Look at those cs-tier reasoning skills.

>Never studied CS

Why do you keep insisting that "I've never studied CS"? I wasted my time taking CS courses because CS majors (just like you) swore that their stuff was really mathematical and deep only to find shallow glacial courses with the other cs students dying on the simplest concepts. I first thought it might be my school (which was supposedly highly ranked for cs) that was the problem... But after comparing the syllabi at other famous schools, they were mostly the same content wise, used the same books, and often even had identical assignments/projects in some courses. The only schools that I have been able to find that offer cs done right are rare European ones.

>> No.9543435

>>9543422
I teach high school history and I make $80,000.

>> No.9543444

>>9543435
>teaching highschool anything
>making 80k
woah am I missing something?

>> No.9543450

>>9543444
Depends on the school, but it's not absurd.

>> No.9543456
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Correct rankings

>> No.9543461

>>9543341
>tfw 100%'ed SAT and income under 30k

>> No.9543462

>>9543456
>Engineering = Easy

hahahahahahahah. Twat.

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>>9543462
>engineering
>not easy

>> No.9543465

>>9543456

>Math not mentioned

you are literally cancer.

>> No.9543466

>>9543456
This one I believe unironically.

>> No.9543468

>>9543456
>>9543463
>le engineering is easy meme
Stop. This is only said by """"""pure"""""" math niggers who think that because we don't care about their esoteric inapplicable research we don't do hard work.

>> No.9543497

>>9543456
t. butthurt mathlet

>> No.9543517

Seriously, why is /sci/ so obssesed with CS?
Also, you have to be braindead to think Biology is a meme just because the undergrad is infested with premeds

>> No.9543533

>>9543517
>Seriously, why is /sci/ so obssesed with CS?
Because it's an oversaturated meme degree.

>Also, you have to be braindead to think Biology is a meme just because the undergrad is infested with premeds
It is a meme. Pure memorization with no jobs. It's trash.

>> No.9543551

>>9543069
>CS is bad is because Indians are beating me at it

Oh you little man child

>> No.9543564

>>9543107
>being so butthurt about Indians

Lmao the salty witeboi is real salty

>> No.9543571

>>9543260
>meme posting like a retard instead of proving a point

keep being an inferior little worm faggot

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>>9543533
>what is a meme

>> No.9543574

>>9542656
\end{thread}

>> No.9543646

>>9543533
So what should I study in undergrad if I want to do genetics in grad school? math? EE?

>> No.9543664

>>9542121
>math
>tfw smart and has gf

>> No.9543667

>>9543517
>Seriously, why is /sci/ so obssesed with CS?
Cuz this is the internetz cuz.

>> No.9543672

Anyone got the hireability ranking? I don't care about respect or difficulty level

>> No.9543701

>>9543646
Why would you do math, EE, or CS for genetics?

>> No.9543711

>>9543701
Cuz biology is a meme haha

>> No.9543716

>>9541973
I don't think actuary is that bad. Not a lot of normies can do high level actuarial science or have the discipline to learn the statistics involved.

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>>9542967
>Applied math not the same as engineering
>ME not on top of the engineering pile

>> No.9543743

>>9543711
Don't do genetics in grad school then.

>> No.9543744

>want to get job related to animals
>have to get a useless degree and will most likely never get an actual animal related job with your useless degree
>instead I'm doing CS even though I hate it because I don't want to be homeless


At least you can get a job with an engineering degree.

>> No.9543748

>>9541797
>switch from biomed engineering to poli sci because I hated engineering
>end up with a six figure salary anyway
It's way more about who you know than literally anything else.

>> No.9543751

>>9543744
I know that feeling bro.

>> No.9543757

>>9543748
>mfw switched from polsci to ME because I couldn't stand the marxist brainwashing propaganda

>> No.9543759

>>9543748
>>9543757
If you even switch your degree you're a brainlet. Period. It shows a severe lack of foresight.

>> No.9543772

>>9543759
Or you're just not an autistic faggot who thinks you know what you want to do for your entire life when you're 17.

>> No.9543782

>>9543759
Or maybe there're some things that are impossible to know beforehand (such as the brainwashing). I liked PolSci as an academic field, but in the praxis, it was just a marxist shitfest. I couldn't have known that beforehand as I wouldn't have entered.

>> No.9543784

>>9543759
I 100% guarantee you'll never be or do exactly what you thought you'd be or do in life.

>> No.9543785

>>9542656
hahahah

>> No.9543789

>>9542947
Biochem is still chemistry.

>> No.9543817

>>9543360
This poster is lying to you.

>> No.9543822

>>9543240
The board is not muh math, it's muh Science (first) and also math is acceptable too. The board is not /math/, it's /sci/. Astrophysics above all.
>>9543242
Engies have CS-tier IQs and do even less for society. You're not human beings, anon. You're slaves to the superior field of physics whose job is to implement our ideas.

>> No.9543986

>>9542967
>Orgo over Biochemistry

I hope somebody is around you to play the curb your enthusiasm music when directed enzyme evolution finally breaks through

>> No.9543998

>economics
>low tier
>implying economics at graduate school isn't completely mathematical besides econometrics.

>> No.9544002

>>9542967
>Astrophysics

top kek

>> No.9544029

>>9543432
Enjoy your cubicle Kevin

>> No.9544065

>Quack pseudoscience practices like dentistry and western medicine
>above computer science which is specialized material science / math
Nice chart, doc.
Have fun pretending to be a positive contribution to the world while treating symptoms rather than preventing disease, but 8-12 years of college couldn't be wrong

>> No.9544222

>>9541797
I'm in EE and they still have to go through the same bullcrap classes as us, don't see why they get looked own upon but I will say the ratio of civil and mechanical to electrical and computer engineers is really high

>> No.9544249

>>9544222
EEs specialized in Power or "Coding" are just as brainlets as most MechEs or CivilEs.

Some EE specializations are very autistic (so math intensive) as: Optics, Radio Frequency, Telecom, Semiconductors, Signal Processing

MechE & EE specialized in Nuclear Power which learn Nuclear Physics are also quite autistic.

MechE & EE specialized in Controls are Brainlets in Undegrad, but Autistic in Grad School.

>> No.9544259

>>9544222
>I'm in EE and they still have to go through the same bullcrap classes as us

....and what? Calculus 3, DEs, Physics 1&2, Chem 1&2, Engineering Statics/Mechanics, and Matlab aren't impressive.

>> No.9544274

>>9544249
>everyone's either a brainlet or autistic
Take a break off of /sci/, faggot.

>> No.9544275

>>9544259
+ Complex Analysis, Fourier Analysis, C/C++, Upper division Electrodynamics, Signals and Systems, Control Theory + Electives

>> No.9544281

>>9544274
EE is the sweet spot between brainlet & autistic
50% 50%

Math & Physics > EE > Else

>> No.9544284

>>9541797
To me anything other than engineering is a waste of time. What is a mathematician going to build?

>> No.9544294

>>9544275
>Upper division Electrodynamics

MechE/CivilE don't study this.

>> No.9544296

>>9544294
>MechE/CivilE don't study this.
EEs study it

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>>9544284

Literally everything.

>> No.9544307

>>9544275
What fucking school makes EE's take complex analysis?

>> No.9544308

>>9544274
>everyone's either a brainlet or autistic
4 main categories:
brainlet, autistic, chad/stacy or faggot

>> No.9544312 [DELETED] 

>>9541797
How hard would be studying physics without knowing AP-level math from HS?
I'm finishing grammar school this summer with below average grades and physics is one the easiest subjects to get into here in germany, cause so few apply for it.

>> No.9544323

>>9544307
It's watered down for engineers though

Things like Analytic/Holomorphic functions, Residue theorem, Laurent series

Cauchy's integral formula
[eqn]f(a)=\frac{1}{2\pi i}\oint_{\gamma}\frac{f(z)}{z-a} \ dz[/eqn]

etc.

>> No.9544334

>>9544323
oh... we learn that stuff in signals and systems 2.

>> No.9544548

>>9544249
>>9544281
In every damn field there are going to be intelligent people and retarded ones be it EE, ME, Math, Physics, etc.
Ffs fucking brainlets nowadays.

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>>9543468
>engineering
>work

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>>9544548
But in certain fields such as Modern Art or Gender Studies everyone is (at least borderline) retarded.

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>>9544613
I'm a Linguist: I tend to distance myself from those Humanities majors beyond the social sciences (I desperately wish that the ling and art departments didn't occupy the same building.

>> No.9544659

>>9543433
>swore that their stuff was really mathematical and deep only to find shallow glacial courses

That whole post was cringe inducing but this part especially so. So you're a math autist that thinks if you don't waste your time studying a bunch of useless theoritical math classes then you're not in a "real major". I can see the autism as you lack the self awereness to tell how retarded you sound. CS is different from math, there's no comparison. Reading the rest of your post it looks like you took an intro class and assummed the rest of the major was like it. Its retarded reasoning but seeing as how you where dumb enough to waste your time on a study that has little to no practical use in the real world you clearly don't make the best decisions.

The entry classes for CS are easy you brainlet but as the major continues it gets tougher. Probably easier then EE but definitely harder than math. I'm not saying math is easier to understand but the coursework is far lighter then CS, engineering, and science majors. A math major rarely needs to worry about finishing a lab and the coursework is far easier then CS where labs and projects are constantly due throughout the semester. Every math major I've talked to has admitted they weren't good enough for CS/engineering/science or simply chose math because it was the easiest major. Sure the material might be more difficult to understand then other majors but difficulty is no issue when the coursework is far lighter with no worry of finishing a project or two due in a couple days. I do respect math but claiming its somehow better then any other major when their are distinct differences shows how ignorant you are.

When you become a math teacher and a student tells you they want to major in engineering or CS try not to sperg out at them cause you know they'll make more thsn you in a couple years.

>> No.9544676

>>9544659
Engineering, science and CS may indeed require more work than Math, but it's no way that they are harder material wise. Also pure Math professors are the most autistic people on the plant, sometimes they make tests problem so difficult that Einstein may have problem with and no one can fucking complain. While other majors you can get a good grade as long you do the minimum required effort.

>> No.9544711

>>9544659
>post explicitly states 3rd/4th year CS courses in the second line
>"Hurrr durr you must of only took 1st year courses"

You're literally quoting the stereotype response the blue guy in >>9543260 uses :^)

>Every math major I've talked to has admitted they weren't good enough for CS/engineering/science or simply chose math because it was the easiest major

Because CS majors, CS majors with math minors, and CS/math double majors always pick the easiest math courses that are offered so of course you would run into the 2nd class math students aiming at becoming hs math teachers and actuaries. You may as well be judging physics majors by the dumb asses who watch big bang theory and take intro to astro.

>useless theoritical math classes

Way to state the brainlet creed.

>> No.9544727

>>9544307
How else are you going to invert a Laplace transform without looking it up?

>> No.9544745

>>9543038
Majoring in EE is fine but doing it because a /sci/ meme told you to is a really bad sign.

>> No.9544765

>>9543822
t. LARPer

>> No.9544777

>>9544676
>but it's no way that they are harder material wise
I'd never say otherwise but the workload is a huge factor in the difficulty of each major. While math may be harder material wise then most other majors the workload is nothing compared to other STEM majors. In that sense its a lot easier.

>While other majors you can get a good grade as long you do the minimum required effort.
Right here you are assuming only math professors are autistically difficult. I've had CS professors that expect everything done just the way you want it and just one mistake like a missed comment can get you a 0 for the whole assignment. This is really anecdotal so no point in talking about for difficulty of each major.

>> No.9544789

>>9544777
>Right here you are assuming only math professors are autistically difficult.
You're triggering some real 'nam flashbacks. Professors can be as absurdly difficult as they choose.

>> No.9544809

>>9544711
He didn't take those classes, don't kid yourself. I can read syllabi for upper division math classes and call them trivial, doesn't mean I've taken them. Also your use of memes to mask your ignorance does you no favors. It's telling of your ignorance.

My claim was very hyperbolic and I have met math majors who simply study it because they love the field but the people who had doubts about what to study did pick it because it was far easier then other majors in terms of workload. Also no reason to bash the math teachers and actuaries. At least they had the foresight to realize they should try and get a job out of it. People who don't do math don't care for abstract theoretical math as that stuff is pretty useless for us. Depending on what you do after, it might even be useless for you eventually. But if you like it then that's great just try not to shove it unto everyone else as if we should care for it.

>> No.9544819

>>9544566
le funny dumb guy xD

>> No.9544837

>>9544789
Yeah but like I'm saying that's true for any major. I've had some math professors that literally gave you the exact problems to study that would be on the test and some CS professors that would give you a 0 in an assignment for the tiniest of mistakes even if the code worked perfectly fine. If anything, you just got unlucky. I did too.

>> No.9544844

>>9542967
Elder God reporting in

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>>9541829
>(to be clear: Civil < Mech)
lmao have fun designing HVAC systems, cuck

>>9541797
Success breeds jealousy.

>> No.9544857

>>9544809
>>He didn't take those classes, don't kid yourself

Stop projecting ffs.

>had the foresight to realize they should try and get a job out of it

University isn't about muh jerbs. Non-brainlets actually go there to do something called learning.

>> No.9544868

>>9542967
>MD is better than DDS

>> No.9544882

>>9544857
>Stop projecting ffs.

How am I projecting when its clear none of you have any clue what you are discussing and use memes for arguments?

>Non-brainlets actually go there to do something called learning.
Sorry brainlet but learning work related skills is also learning and if after graduating you have nothing to show for your effort besides knowledge on topics that won't land you a job and knowledge that will slowly fade as you won't use it then you pretty much fucked up.

>> No.9544886

>>9544301
nice y axis faggot

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>>9542967
>Pure Math
t. Elder God

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This t b h

>> No.9544931

>>9544911
Good chart. Chemistry should be below statistics/data-science though, and geology above polisci

>> No.9544938

Why is Math and Physics always at the top of these lists?

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>>9544911
My negro-sapien.

>> No.9544945

>>9544931
Sorry, I don't really like geology. I'd move Psychology to Top Tier btw. Psychology is cool but Neuro-anything and psychiatry are disgunsting

>> No.9544950
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>>9544938
Because math is the language of the universe and physics is essentially the fundamental science, brainlet

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>>9544911
>History
Finally, someone gets it right.

>> No.9544953

>>9544938
People who are unemployed have lots of time to shitpost.

>> No.9544956

>>9544911
>philosophy : God tier
>theology : shit tier

Spotted the 13 year old.

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>>9544956
Not everyone wants to study bigger and better ways of worshiping the eternal skyjew.

>> No.9544978

>>9544956
Actually, I'm studying pure math at a catholic institution, so I've had theology courses. Long story short they were shit.

Those I freely took in philosophy were some of the most enjoyable and memorable courses I've taken. Would've liked more Nietzsche but oh well.

>> No.9544998

>>9544953
Unironically this.

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>>9544978
>Would've liked more Nietzsche but oh well

>> No.9545162

>>9543121
NIGGAS IFFY UH

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>>9544978
>Catholic institution
>Catholic """"""""""theology""""""""""
>shit
I don't doubt it

>Would've liked more Nietzsche but oh well.
Oh, you were just memeing

>> No.9545261

>>9544711
> CS/math double majors always pick the easiest math courses
This is honestly pretty true coming from a CS / Math double major. Most of my CS friends are just doing a Math double major to get a cushy job in data science / fintech without getting a masters.

>> No.9545338

>>9545259
Show me where the nuns beat you.

>> No.9545352

>theology and philosophy above music and history

jesus

>> No.9545363

>>9543998
then why isnt it a maths degree

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>>9545261
Physics/Math double majors are the true Master Race of STEM

>> No.9545370

>>9545352
>yoyoyo fuck the popo
>yoyoyo niggers yo

People will be studying this mad music millennia from now

>> No.9545371

>>9542003
>putting economics in mid tier
Economics is high tier kys

>> No.9545374

>>9545370
>nigga rap is what they study in music unis

>> No.9545377

>>9545371
>pseudoscience is high tier

>> No.9545382

>>9545377
>predicting what the economy will do so we can properly take action and not get fucked
>predicting and analyzing consumer trends so companies can appeal to consumers
It's not just a pseudoscience. It has many applications that you don't truly understand until you to learn econometrics and regression analysis

>> No.9545384

>>9543047
Pretty much this. Everyone I've ever met with an IT degree have been really smart. Literally jack of all trades and master of most of them as well. But what i love about the IT students is that they're fucking humble, they know there place.On the other hand mostly every student getting a CS degree might be smart but they ruin it by acting like their top shit. Lol

>> No.9545387

>>9545382
>implying a specific use of applied math justifies a whole field

any mathematician can do these things. economy is fundamentally pseudoscience, even if it uses scientific tools. your rationale would also make psychology a legitimate science because they use statistics

>> No.9545393

>>9545374 >>9545370
Since Humanities are dumbing down due to SJWs. It will be no surprise that In few decades Unis will study Rap & HipHop instead of Classical Music

Eminem, Snoop Dogg, Lil Pump, Lil Wayne, Drake, Nicki Minaj, Kanye West
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LfJnj66HVQ

Instead of Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin and Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtUQzTCp4NA

>> No.9545395

>>9545393
ye but that's inside your fantasy world. in reality, music theory reaches high levels of complexity and one can be a serious musical scholar.

>> No.9545398

>>9545371
>The prevailing economic theory is whatever those in power pay me to say

>> No.9545402

>>9545382
>>predicting what the economy will do
That's not science. That's clairvoyance.

>> No.9545405

>>9545395
Name 1 modern Classical Music composer that came out from an University.

No classical musician since 19 century surpassed Mozart, and probably never will surpass since musical creativity is declining in the world every year.

>> No.9545407

>>9541797
civil/mech engineering is chad/normie tier now

>> No.9545411

>>9545405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjBHzPjrDfs

i get you're ignorant, but stop being proudly ignorant

>> No.9545413

>>9545387
It's a use of applied math, but most likely the most important use of applied math in our current society. Mathematicians could likely produce the models, sure, but they wouldn't be able to apply the knowledge and take action with it. That takes years of studying what trends exist and what usually happens with those trends. In the case of the macro economy, economists have to understand policy, as well. They don't just produce their regression model and say here it is. They have to be able to present it in a way that is understandable to policy makers.

If you think a mathematician could easily replace the role of an economist, you have very little knowledge of economics. It's like thinking a psychologist could easily be the president since they understand how people think.

>> No.9545414

>>9545413
>It's a use of applied math, but most likely the most important use of applied math in our current society

top kek

> Mathematicians could likely produce the models, sure, but they wouldn't be able to apply the knowledge and take action with it. That takes years of studying what trends exist and what usually happens with those trends. In the case of the macro economy, economists have to understand policy, as well. They don't just produce their regression model and say here it is. They have to be able to present it in a way that is understandable to policy makers.

i'm not saying an economist isn't useful to someone, i'm saying an economist isn't a scientist

>If you think a mathematician could easily replace the role of an economist, you have very little knowledge of economics. It's like thinking a psychologist could easily be the president since they understand how people think.

again, i'm not saying that in a capitalist economy a bourg economist has no use. I'm saying an economist isn't a scientist

>> No.9545415

>>9545402
No. It's understanding trends and applying that to the future. That's scientific.

>> No.9545418

>>9545415
no it's not. using a tool made by science isn't science in and of itself.

>> No.9545421

>>9545414
You said "any mathematician could do these things."

You never claimed an economist isn't a scientist. I would agree they aren't since the definition of a scientist only extends to physical and natural sciences, where economics is a social science. However, that does not mean economics is a pseudoscience.

>> No.9545422

>>9545413
>They have to be able to present it in a way that is understandable to policy makers.
They have to be able to dumb down in a retarded way that is understandable to retards like Justin Trudeau on Left & Donald Trump on Right

>> No.9545432

>>9545418
Economics is a social science, though... It's a science just as important as the natural or physical sciences.

>> No.9545441

>>9544953
kek

>> No.9545442

>>9545421
economics is a pseudoscience, because its axioms are incorrect. the fact that you can use tools made by scientists makes you neither a) a scientist nor b) non-shit tier

>>9545432
it's not a science, because it doesn't follow the scientific method. bourgeoisie economics accept the axiom of private property being a given, metrics like gdp are all irrelevant since the axioms behind them are simply wrong. The fact that an economist can do things like predict market trends using mathematic tools doesn't change this

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>>9545413 >>9545414 >>9545421
>Any mathematician could do these things

Not only that. Any mathematician specialized in Actuarial Math can do MUCH BETTER.

James Harris Simons
Billionaire, Mathematician, Hedge Fund Manager
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5kIdtMJGc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjVDqfUhXOY
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_Simons

>> No.9545447

>>9541797
Because it's considered infinitely easier compared to other engineering types and as far as I recall it's the lowest paying of all engineering professors.

>> No.9545461

>>9542020
It is. In reality, most schools build the program to be used as a minor. Other schools they'll make it a concentration within an existing and semi-related field. The way my school does it is 9/10 courses will be from other departments that have an association with it.
>Various Histories
>A few Anthropology courses
>A lot of English courses (Hysterical I know)
>Like 3-4 actual African American Studies courses (Literally just enough to get a minor)
It's the same thing with women and gender studies.

>> No.9545463
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Any piece of knowledge can be obtained easily through cheap, simple means in 2018. The only reason one should pay to attend college in the modern world is,

1) the content is so hard you desperately need a real life teacher with real life office hours and real life homework/test obligations in order to understand it, or

2) you want to signal to employers that not only did you learn the content, but that you succeeded in achieving high grades in it from an accredited institution. So the content had better be hard, otherwise if you're just taking easy classes where everyone is getting As, your good grades are signaling jack shit to employers.

In either case, it's crucial that the content you choose is actually difficult. Otherwise just sit home and learn it without paying $20K+ a year.

So the tier list of college majors can be sorted by difficulty. So here's your objectively correct tier list, sorted from worst to best :

>> No.9545489

>>9545463

bullshit. the only reason you need a college degree is if you're in a field where a degree is required for a license to practice (like law or medicine) or you need lab hours in order to learn how to use equipment (physics or bio). nothing is "too hard to learn alone", unless you're a brainlet

>> No.9545504

>>9545489
>is if you're in a field where a degree is required for a license to practice

Yes.... this would just be legally enforced signaling to employers. A subset of reason 1). There are other people that get degrees because, while it is technically legal to get a job in the field without a degree, it's much easier to get a job if you can show employers that you do have a degree.

>nothing is "too hard to learn alone", unless you're a brainlet

LOL, okay, so you're telling me that by virtue of your big brain and access to OCW, you could learn quantum informatics + the modern forefront of the developments in the computational complexity zoo, by yourself, no advice needed? And I'm not talking "learn" in the sense of "I can brag on Facebook and shitpost on /sci/", I'm talking "learn" as in, "I know enough to properly make academic contributions in this field in the form of peer-reviewed papers".

>> No.9545507

>>9545504
Sorry, I meant a subset of *reason 2).

>> No.9545586

>>9545504
yes you can mate. there are lectures from top institutions online for free, and you can pirate most god tier textbooks as well.if you're committed, you can learn anything alone these days

>> No.9545601

>>9545586
You have to then explain why no one does that, then, in pure math. Besides few key examples like Ramunajan and Galois, there are very few examples in history of people who made major contributions to mathematics without any institutional aid or formal learning.

This is especially true these days, when all work in maths is so insanely specialized and niche and you have to have an incredibly strong grasp of highly technical, terse content in order to really push the field forward even an inch.

You just have to be able to talk to professors and share with classmates IRL in order to excel in that stuff. Very few people can get through introductory real analysis on their own with no help, let alone, say, enough abstract algebra to make real headway in solving problems in category theory.

And can you blame them? I mean, have you tried reading through Baby Rudin by yourself with no help? Let alone Papa Rudin.

I feel like you're coming from this background where any 17 year old can spin up a Node.js server and tear through an online book on JavaScript in a weekend to put together an impressive website for his family to fawn at and then get a job at some startup in 7 months. Or maybe you're talking about another field with a similar trajectory, like, I dunno, NEETs mastering philosophy online thanks to plato.stanford.edu.

But this brave new information age isn't so charitable to all fields, and mathematics is one of those fields where the content is too terse and there's just so many prerequisites of knowledge you need to get a hold of before you make any real contribution. There's really not that many Will Huntings out there that can master all that without the guidance of a professor.

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>>9544938
>Why do people on a Science and Math board favor Science and Math?

>> No.9545624

>>9545601
wait wait, you're talking about research? you will never be able to work in research without a degree to begin with, you're talking about stem research in particular. I wasn't talking about getting a job in research, i was talking about obtaining a grasp of a subject at a university level.

also, the argument "why aren't people doing it" is null. we don't live in an age where people can afford to spend hours upon hours studying something at this level for fun. this can only be done by relatively rich people, who also happen to take an insane interest in this field. but those same people can afford college, so in the real world there is no drive for someone to attempt this. however, that doesn't make it impossible. it's like saying people can't eat their own shit because "if they can, why aren't they doing it?"

>> No.9545635

>>9544953
Physics and math fags on suicide watch

>> No.9545663

>>9545259
>religion
>2018

brainlet

>> No.9545687

>>9543317
Humanities? You got lost on your way to /lgbt/ didn't you?

https://youtu.be/SNgNBsCI4EA

>> No.9545695

>>9545663
><\current year>

Intellectually btfo!!!

>> No.9545704

>>9545695
>getting this triggered by anonymous people calling you a brainlet on the internet

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>>9545447
>ME
>infinitely easier compared to other engineering types

1) As far as I know, the only Engineering branchs that could rival ME in terms of difficulty, are Chemical Engineering or Electrical Engineering.
Aeronautical/Aerospace/Naval/Industrial/Biomedical/Electronic/Biomechanics/etc. are all either sub-disciplines of ME or related to ME (i.e. any intelligent and well-learned Mechanical Engineer can contribute to any of say fields or even work in them).

2) In terms of curriculum, a Mechanical Engineer will learn circuits courses but an Electronic/Electrical Engineer will never learn fluid mechanics courses. A Mechanical Engineer can work on a reactor design but a Chemical Engineer will never work on an Internal combustion engine. Get my point?

3) ME is also the broadest of all Engineering types, intellectually-wise. You could have a Mechanical Engineering working on Nuclear Power, on Biomaterials, on robotics or any type of weaponry. And this is just If the Mechanical Engineer is an average well-learned individual: If he is also intelligent and competent in Physics or Programming, the possibilities are endless. You can't just say "ME's earn little" because it's also the broadest job-opportunity-wise Engineering.

ME being "infinitely easier/earning less than the rest" is meme that needs to die.

>> No.9545922

>>9541797
Why is philosophy so high here? It’s definitely waste of life tier.

t. B. A. (Hons)

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>>9545687
>I'm unfamiliar with the social sciences so I'll call them gay.
Literally brainlet tier.

>> No.9546302

>>9544953
>>9545635
kek

>> No.9546321

>>9545363
for the same reason that physics isn't a maths degree. It's an application of mathematics in the same way physics is, but rather than describe motion, it describes (or at least attempts to) behavior.

>> No.9546331

>>9545443
that's why actual economists double major in math and econ and go to grad school. Undergrad econ is a joke.

>> No.9546509

>>9543564
>Using boi.

>> No.9546884

>>9541797
>Engineering above Medicine

Don’t even have to look at the rest to know it’s a meme.

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>>9546884
>implying that a degree tier list isn't intrinsically a meme.

>> No.9546900

>>9546884
spoiled westerner detected.

>> No.9546904

>>9546900
You can keep your pagan shamanism, thnx

>> No.9546913

>>9541797

I'd put medicine in mid tier, but it really depends on specialty. But mid tier based off the schooling alone.

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>>9543456
nice list

>> No.9546928

>>9546920
History is a bit too low.

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>>9543456
>Fashion, English language, Theology
>Hard

>> No.9547099

>>9541797
>Dentists better than astronomers
Most dentists are plebeian scum. You need to have 1/10th of the capabilities a physician needs but you make about as much or more money. That's why a lot of asocial low capability people who just want the easiest way to make good money get into dentistry.

Astronomy on the other hand... They are the guys that are really interested in science. So many influential scientists and mathematicians have been astronomers, like Gauss or Newton.

>> No.9547119

>>9547099
>a lot of asocial low capability people who just want the easiest way to make good money get into dentistry
Why is this 100% correct?

>> No.9547586

>>9545413
>use of applied math
So like C + I + G + (X - M)? Slow down there brainiac

>> No.9547592

>>9542003
you posted this using a computer and you say computer science is waste of life tier?

>> No.9547596

>>9542967
how is organic chemistry valued over dds? enjoy tooth decay

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>>9546947
>Theology
>Not hard

Read this and say that again.

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>>9547592
>cs major literally think like this.

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>>9543328
This.

>mfw no agricultural engineer listed

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>>9547592
>CS majors literally think like this

You can't make this shit up.

>> No.9547672

>>9541797
Civ is mech for brainlets. Mech is physics for brainlets. Physics is math for brainlets.
t. civ

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>>9547599SHIT
S = Social Sciences
H = Humanities
I = Industrial Engineering
T = Theology

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>>9547599
SHIT
S = Social Sciences
H = Humanities
I = Industrial Engineering
T = Theology

>> No.9547760

>>9547698
*SHIET?

>> No.9547848

Real list coming through:

Best undergrad majors in terms of pay/employment:

God tier:
Computer Science, Mechanical Engineering

Top tier:
Computer Engineering, Finance, Civil Engineering, Electrical Engineering

Mid tier:
Aerospace Engineering, Accounting, Information Technology

Low tier:
other business, Bioengineering, Environmental Engineering, Teaching, Chemical Engineering, Economics

shit tier:
Math, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Biochemistry, Art, History, Theology, Philosophy, everything else not listed

>> No.9547867

>>9547848
CS majors don't learn shit and are disposable. The bubble will pop soon.

>> No.9547873

>>9547688
>>9547698
SHIT
S = Social Sciences
H = Humanities
IT = Computer "Science"

>> No.9547874

>>9547867
>being this bootyblasted

>> No.9547903

>God
Math & Physics
>Top
Biology & Chemistry
>Good
Philosophy, Music, Art, History
>
>
>
>Low
The rest

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>>9541797

>> No.9547909
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>>9547907

>> No.9547929

>>9547909
Liberal arts? CS? I didn't raise no son of mine to be a goddamn double faggot.

>> No.9547943

>>9542656
Music is a good thing to study, just not as a major. If you need a degree in music to get a career in it, you aren't good at music.

>> No.9547959

>>9541981
when you think about it, it's pretty logical

>> No.9547988

>>9541973
>Accounting
>Bad
See you at tax time, brainlet

>> No.9547992

>>9547909
> faggot
Why the homophobia?

>> No.9547996

>>9543040
Does not apply to true geniuses

>> No.9548012

>>9547992
He did said anything about faggots, faggot.

>> No.9548075

>>9547943
>If you need a degree in music to get a career in it, you aren't good at music.
deep

>> No.9548090

>>9541973
>sperds falling for this lazy bait

>> No.9548108

>>9547848
Aerospace engineering has really shit job prospects unless you want to try and do a MechEngs work. I'd drop it to low tier.

Electrical engineering has no jobs whatsoever so I'd put that one on mid tier. Rest looks fine.

>> No.9548112

>>9545413


Nice job in reciting your kike proffessors speech to justify you paying him tons of shekels for a major which is just retard math with important sounding fluff around it.

>> No.9548114

>>9547867


Are you retarded? CS gets more important every day and the world will not run out of demand for new soft- and hardware solutions any time soon. It is one of the few fields where innovation is possible at this point.

>> No.9548128

>>9548114
Anyone can learn to code or do Big Oh algorithmic analysis. You're not special.

Also, fuck off back to >>>/reddit/ and stay there.

>> No.9548131

>>9548128
But can they prove that [math]\{ j : i < j \implies \phi_i \neq \phi_j \}[/math] contains no infinite recursively enumerable subset? (where [math]\phi_i : i \in {\bf N} [/math] are the partial recursive functions)

>> No.9548154

>>9548131
Neither can the CS majors in /g/. CS major's computability knowledge maxes out at highschool level stuff in Sipser if they see it at all.

>> No.9548166

funny how biology, from which all the top tier majors come, is considered lower

>> No.9548173

>>9548166
That list is BS since the moment Astronomy and ME didn't make it to God tier.

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>>9548166

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>>9548191
>Philosophy majors

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/thread

>> No.9548389 [DELETED] 

>>9548369
>Philosophy
>Top tier

>Biology
>Not Low Tier

>Information Technology
>Not Wate of Life Tier

>> No.9548391

>>9548369
>Philosophy
>Top tier

>Biology
>Not Low Tier

>Information Technology
>Not Waste of Life Tier

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>>9541797
sci fags will try to argue against this

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>Undergrads bragging about their major and degrading others
>Not realising interdisciplinarity is at the heart of innovation and serendipity

Although some fields are more worthy according to someones scale, no amount of knowledge is unworthy. Many concepts and ideas can be integrated into other, more formal knowledge structures. I've learned quite a lot from theory of art and design and I keep using it in my job as an Engineer.

Why make hierarchies of knowledge when any knowledge can be used to profoundly impact your life? I'll better die a polymath than a bitter expert, full of an unfounded sense of self worth. Have a nice day.

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>>9548395 >>9548369 >>9541797 >>9545461
Ironically Gender Studies have one of highest employment rates right now. Higher than STEM

(1) Due to diversity hiring.

(2) Working in Human resources departments hiring even more feminists and gay people.

(3) Working Government Public Service as social workers (read as Social Justice Warriors), Specially in cucked Governments as Canada, Sweden or California,

(4) In Colleges and Universities as Gender Studies professors.

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>>9542967
Demigod checking in

>> No.9548835

>>9548114

Ironically, most jobs in CS (IT) will be taken by bots/AI. Of course there will be people working with AI, but overall most people falling to the CS meme will end up unemployed.

>> No.9548855

I'm a senior Civil Engineer and I'm going back to college soon. I'm between CS and Psychology.
I like them both, but in terms of employability I don't think CS will be a viable carreer in 4~5 years, unless I work with AI...and I'll also be far behind the oversaturated market.
I do think that psychology will be viable in many of its fields though.

>> No.9548986

>>9545908
This!!!

>> No.9548995

>>9548395
Linguistics is the new hotness atm, within the applied context.

>> No.9548999

>>9548835
>most people falling to the CS meme will end up unemployed.
This scenario (however unlikely) would only be possible long after we're deceased.

>> No.9549178

>>9544307
Mine. They don't have to take LA though which is fucking weird.

>> No.9549468

>>9544847
Civil Engineer detected

>> No.9549515

>>9541797
H-how about power engineering?

>> No.9549556

Threadly reminder that astronomy is low tier but astrophysics is god tier.

>> No.9550486

>>9544727
top kek
>>9549515
subset of EE, but pretty fine desu

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>>9543822
So what you're saying is that physicists engage in mental masturbation while engineers actually fix problems?

>> No.9550584

>>9550564
Where is that video from? Sauce?

>> No.9550611

>>9548855
Jesus /sci/ really gets to people.

Where is the logic in even considering psychology (possibly one of the most saturated degree choice) over CS which is pretty saturated, but generally high paying and in high demand.

>> No.9550644

>>9547988
most accountants are spradsheet monkeys and dont actually know much about tax law

>> No.9550657

>>9550564
Are those rabid wild jews?

>> No.9550675

>>9550564
don't people in the us doing pranks like that fear they might get shot or sth?

>> No.9550680

>>9545908
Chemical Engineers do work on internal combustion engines(though I'd pick a ME any day over a ChemE)

>> No.9550685

Ascended tier: Computational Linguistics PhD

>> No.9550688

>>9548410
You seem like a nice lad

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I was studying philophy then took a year out and started studying Italian then I dropped out for good when I realised it was too late to change back
how fucked am I?
I can teach myself philosophy r-right?

>> No.9550813

>>9550680
Why though? Isn't ChemE just ascended MechE?

>> No.9550837

>>9548420
They're gonna regret that eventually

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wh-why does everyone say such mean things about CS/IT
what am I in for I applied for it

>> No.9550852

>>9548131
You'll still be replaced with pajeets lol

>> No.9550859

>>9550813
Not that guy, but is obvious why you would choose a MechE over a ChemE to work on an ICE (or any kind of engine/machine).

Regarding your second question: ChemE is more related to the making of new materials, pharmaceuticals, design and construction of labs, petrochemicals, food processing, polymers, etc.
It has NOTHING to do with ME. The only thing in which they may be related is that ChemE may create the materials that MechE will work with, to then MechE create the machinery, tools or devices that all the other Engineerings will work with (including ChemE).

>> No.9550883

>>9550859
Don't MechE curriculum's already focus heavily on Materials Sciences anyways? At least in my school there's plenty of masters programs that do.

>> No.9550898

>>9550883
Absolutely, yes. There are only 3 engineering branches that deal with Materials Science: Chemical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and Electrical Engineering. Which is why I said on my post ( >>9545908 ) that the only branches that could rival ME in terms of difficulty is ChemE or EE.

>> No.9550935

>>9543373
Are the ME courses directed towards being a babby with a shit-tier engineering field?

>> No.9550950

>>9550898
Yeah, I'm really thinking of switching to MechE since it seems like it's a more enjoyable field than EE.

>> No.9550986

>>9550935
>shit-tier engineering field
>Manufacturing, Aerospace, Automotive industry, Energy, Nanotechnology, Biomechanics, Composite material, MEMS, Naval, Heat transfer, Thermofluids, Energy conversion, Aeronautics, Aerodynamics, Mechatronics, Robotics... (ETC.)
Which one of all this fields look "shit-tier" to you?

>> No.9551005

>>9550950
ME has its downsides: some people say it is too versatile and you finish up being a "jack of all trades" instead of an "ace of one". I don't know, I think it depends on the kind of person you are and in what you specialize in.
As always, research like crazy before making such a decision of switching careers. Look at the pros and cons of MechE, try to ask people studying it, read forums, etc. Good luck.

>> No.9551046

>>9551005
Yeah, I have until May which is enough time for me to get some academic counseling.

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