/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9538985]

Explain to me why this would not solve all energy problems

[Anonymous No.9538994]

wtf are you going to power it with redstone too?

[Anonymous No.9538996]

>>9538985
notsureiftrollingorreallyreallystupid.jpg
Is this a new kind of /pol/ containment thread?

[Anonymous No.9539006]

F=m*d

tell me, how far is that pressure pad moving?

[Anonymous No.9539009]

>>9538985
Work equals force times distance. The mass would move the pressure plate once, and then the work would be done.

[Anonymous No.9539040]

>>9538985
if this were true than gravity would mean infinite energy

this doesnt make any sense

[Anonymous No.9539066]

>>9538985
There is no energy problem. Same with there being no population problem, climate problem, and food problem. Those things are not real. They are just used to fear monger you and keep you under control.

The only actual problem is logistics. The energy needs to be better used. The population needs to be spread out more. The climate needs to even out. The food needs to be distributed properly. See, all problems with logistics.

[Anonymous No.9539079]

>>9539009
what if it rains?

[Anonymous No.9539083]

>>9539066
Death solves all problems–no man, no problem.

[OP the faggot No.9539169]

>>9539040
No it doesn't, the liquid mass in the ocean creates forces which are consistently eroding the rock underneath it and could pose as an energy source.

Yes, >>9539009 is talking somewhat sense, but the ocean is not static. The ocean moves constantly. If you had my pressure plate you could create constant energy from the kinetic force.

And it's on the BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN. Even a small plate would receive a vast amount of kinetic energy.

I don't see the issue here.

[Anonymous No.9539178]

>>9539066
Lol that webm

[Anonymous No.9539199]

>>9538985

Energy transfer would be inefficient and maintenance would be a nightmare.

[Anonymous No.9539472]

>>9538985

[Anonymous No.9539518]

>>9539169
it doesnt get vast amounts of "kinetic energy" since kietic energy is stored in movement. does it get high speeds ? no.
what you mean is pressure.
and the pressure is only enough to push water at the same height as it was before (same gravitational potential) throught a tube, not to the house you have drawn.
Also force !== energy. yes there acts a force on the pad due to pressure. but since there is a counterforce just as high (earth inertia: mass is high enough so that it doesnt move), nothing happens, except for the thing being pushed against earth.

[Anonymous No.9539525]

>>9539518
also earth is pulled by the thing with the exact same quantity of force (asuming newton)

[Anonymous No.9539527]

>>9539525
>>9539518
and lastly.... why dont you know that OP ?
didnt you have physics at your uni or are you not going to uni ?
if so, why on sci

[Anonymous No.9539533]

Why are the dumbest people on 4chan on /sci? Go out and study so you know why this shit is fucking stupid then maybe you can come up with an original idea that actually has some value.

[Anonymous No.9539536]

>>9539169
power is work per second, even if you generate negligible amount of joules from the slow flowing ocean current, it is not enough to actually develop usable amount of power. also electric transfer is efficient in high voltage low current situation, so how can you develop high enough power/ voltage (joules per coulomb) to even get that electricity to the surface of earth to be used?

[Anonymous No.9539640]

>making electricity in the water

My toaster explicitly says not to do this

[Anonymous No.9539642]

>>9539640
that's just the elites keeping the masses downtrodden

[Anonymous No.9539949]

>>9539533
you fell for obvious bait

[Anonymous No.9539969]

>clean energy
>there's still smoke coming out of the building

[Anonymous No.9540101]

>>9538985
What you want is a turbine, OP. And the technology exists, it's just not very worth it due to the oceans being a hostile environment that degrades equipment quickly.

[Anonymous No.9540121]

>>9539969
>what is water vapour
I bet you think nuclear power plants spew smoke too, retard.

[Anonymous No.9540132]

>>9539169
kys

[Anonymous No.9541630]

>>9539969
another brainlet detected

[Anonymous No.9542027]

>>9538985
So the pressure produces energy.
Why bother with an ocean?
Nothing unique about water.
Put your plate on the ground and stack 5000 tons of lead on top of it.
Clean, unlimited, energy!

[Anonymous No.9542031]

>>9539006
>F=m*d

[Anonymous No.9542032]

>>9539527
>Physics
>At uni
What if my name isn't Pajeet?

[Anonymous No.9542034]

>>9539178
>>9539066
lmao when he shakes the pot

[Anonymous No.9542040]

>>9539006
Is F=m*d what they teach is high school physics?

F=ma and W=Fd

[Anonymous No.9542054]

>>9538985
Holy shit

[Anonymous No.9542069]

>>9539066
>>9539178
>>9542034
What the fuck happens in that webm?

[robbb No.9542074]

For one, pressure is not a Newtonian Force and creates no energy from a plate, that is also pressurized at the depth level of the water surrounding it. Secondly, Pressure is only density....meaning it is Exerting force in ALL directions, not just down; in the same note, the pressure of all matter at a certain Atmospheric Bar, no matter if it is water, steel, plastic, or a baby fart, is going to exert equal pressure back on the surrounding matter. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

[Anonymous No.9542446]

>>9539066
>that cup of water at the end

[Anonymous No.9542478]

>>9538996
You fucking spastic. Back to Tumblr you go!

[None !niqjediPCA No.9543199]

>>9538985
>Explain to me why this would not solve all energy problems

you would spend more energy resetting the pressure pad to zero than you get from it being compressed.

[Anonymous No.9543236]

>>9542069
Looks like he was deep-frying and the oil caught on fire; then he threw water on it which caused burning oil to spill all over the stove. Either that or he tried to put out a fire by pouring oil on it.

[Anonymous No.9543590]

>>9538994
Kek'd

[Anonymous No.9543609]

>>9538985
I guess if it rained a lot there could some energy gained from convection cycle

[Anonymous No.9543611]

>>9542069
>put fries into hot oil
>water from frozen fries causes oil to spill over rim
>catches fire on heating element
>pouring more water on flaming oil
>flaming oil goes everywhere
Never use water to put out an oil fire..

[Anonymous No.9543860]

>>9538985
There is no such thing as a pressure pad that creates energy by staying pressed without moving.

>filename says "nigger"
Oh wow, a /pol/tard.

>>9542478
The /pol/tard is immunized against all dangers. One may call him a racist, a homophobe, a misogynist: it all runs off him like water off a raincoat; but call the /pol/tard a /pol/tard and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out."

[Anonymous No.9544176]

>>9538985
where's the turbine?

[Anonymous No.9544182]

>>9543860
>being this triggered by pol
What causes this level of insecurity?

[Anonymous No.9544210]

>>9538985
It would actually work pretty well if you attached a giant hot air balloon to the pressure pad that acted as a float.

[Anonymous No.9544760]

>>9543860
>Oh wow, a /pol/tard.
I'm left-leaning and I put "nigger" in a lot of my passwords just because I think it sounds funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuLrBLxbLxw

[Anonymous No.9544979]

>>9544760
Your defensiveness is astounding.

[Anonymous No.9544985]

>>9538985
You can never generate energy with gravity, this is Calc 3 level stuff go back to school. Gravity is a conservative force field meaning you can never take any path starting and ending at the same point and end up with anything other than 0 net energy gain.

[Anonymous No.9544994]

>>9539006
>F=m*d

>>9543860
>filename says "nigger"
>automatically assume /pol/ack
This is one of the worst things about 4chan becoming a hotbed for politics.
Every newfag leftist assumes that only reason why any racism occurs is because its /pol/, and not because everyone been calling each other niggerfaggots on this site for over a decade

[Anonymous No.9545039]

>>9544985
I think I get what you're trying to say, but that's just not true. Hydro plants function entirely off of gravitational potential energy.

[Anonymous No.9545199]

>>9545039
Hydro is just very slow solar power where you have to wait for the sun to move the water back up to the top of the dam what you have drawn is more like troll physics or a perpetual motion machine.

[Anonymous No.9545216]

>>9545199
I am not OP. I am not arguing for OP's stupid bullshit. Now you're just arguing semantics by calling it solar.

[Anonymous No.9545227]

>>9538985
barometric pressure change is too slow and ur pad is too small

[Anonymous No.9545231]

>>9538985
Weight of the water pushes the pad down until it reaches an equilibrium. Then no energy is transferred.

[Anonymous No.9545233]

>>9544985
You can't generate energy with anything, you retard. However, people have POWER needs, and gravity can most certainly generate power.

[Anonymous No.9545256]

>>9545039
The water isn't moving in a closed loop, though. It's going entirely from a potential source to a sink, and the potential drop is captured by turbines.
Water is replaced at the start of the river by energy from the sun. If you were to haul it back up with another turbine or otherwise, you would at best break even, but probably would go in the red

[Anonymous No.9545258]

>>9545256
You are literally just arguing semantics you donut. Every single energy source on the planet is due to the sun if you go back far enough. We categorize power transformations by what we actually have to deal with and design for. You don't size a fucking dam based on solar considerations, you size it based on height and flow considerations, which, spoiler alert, deal with gravity.
You seem like some shovelling first year engineering student who thinks he's hot shit because he knows what a force field is.

[Anonymous No.9545267]

>>9545258
>We categorize power transformations by what we actually have to deal with and design for. You don't size a fucking dam based on solar considerations, you size it based on height and flow considerations
Exactly. You accept that you have a certain flow rate and drop height (due to how rivers work) which is not present in >>9538985
Just like how you can generate energy with a heat engine when you accept that you have fuel and shit, even though engines only "lose energy"
i'm not the other guy you were talking to, cool your jets buddy

[Anonymous No.9545268]

>>9538985
>Explain to me why this would not solve all energy problems
The capacitor are too leaky

[Anonymous No.9545299]

>>9545268
Good meme

[Anonymous No.9545305]

>>9543860
>muh n word means you like blumpf and abuses of power and scoops

[Anonymous No.9545306]

>>9545258
>Every single energy source on the planet is due to the sun if you go back far enough.
Brainlet. It's not true about geothermal and nuclear. Although arguably it's because of an other star.

[Anonymous No.9545331]

>>9545306
>calling me a brainlet while also posting validation of my argument

[Anonymous No.9545386]

>>9538985
It would have be made using a hydraulic motor. You would basically leave a hole in the ocean floor and let enough water through to turn a turbine and power a generator.

The problems begin when you try:

1: Building something like that underneath the ocean without it collapsing.

2: Allowing that amount of to water to cycle back into the ocean without losing more energy than you've created.

3. Ecological implications like disturbing ocean habitats and like if a big fish gets stuck in ur turbine.

[Anonymous No.9545412]

>>9538985
>kinetic energy
>force of mass
>thinking pressure pads make energy
You need to redo high school physics.

[Anonymous No.9545426]

>>9545412
It works if u have a big enough pad then the surface area of the pad x the weight of the lake x change in barometric pressure is a transfer of energy to the pad that can feed a flywheel of some sort

[Anonymous No.9545533]

>>9545426
But the water would only do the work to push the pad once.
And that's not counting the fact that gravity is already going to do some of the work anyway.
So on top of that you have to have something in the system that would stop the plate from being pulled down by gravity to begin with.
The flywheel is unnecessary given that you're gonna have energy loses before sending it to a power station

[Anonymous No.9545728]

>>9545533
No the barometric pressure changing up and down with weather would push the pad up and down

[Anonymous No.9545814]

low tide high tide is a much better set up, but whatever

[Anonymous No.9545832]

>>9538985
it would if you could get the pressure pad to be lifted up again 'for free'.

[Anonymous No.9545850]

>>9538985
>>9539040
>>9539472
>>9539525

[Anonymous No.9545854]

>>9545832
he called it a pressure pad, not a generator
we're about 2 hours from someone saying we could put a giant sterling engine into the earth to produce energy
fucking fagets

[Anonymous No.9546012]

>>9545728
Well that makes sense. It'd be an ambient energy harvester. But how much does pressure at the bottom of the ocean really fluctuate?

[Anonymous No.9546024]

>>9538994
fpbp

[Anonymous No.9546036]

>>9542074
holy shit this can't be real. how the fuck can pressure exert force from below if it's on the bottom of the ocean retard

[Anonymous No.9546059]

>>9539066
>The only actual problem is logistics. The energy needs to be better used. The population needs to be spread out more. The climate needs to even out. The food needs to be distributed properly. See, all problems with logistics.

The best logistical solution to all those problems would be to reduce the human population by 75%.

[Anonymous No.9546162]

>>9544994
> calling each other niggerfaggots on this site for over a decade
this

[Anonymous No.9546229]

>>9538985
>pad is pressed
>it stays pressed forever
Whoa

You can actually use sea water flowing into sub-sea level places to generate GW-tier capacity but nobody can be fucked to do it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression_Project
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean%E2%80%93Dead_Sea_Canal

[Anonymous No.9546245]

Tell me why this wouldn't work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MfTJVAtx6w

[Anonymous No.9546267]

>>9546245
It would probably work. I don't think it can deliver a big enough amount of energy to justify constructing it though. There are other easier ways to get energy out of a temperature difference, like a heat pump. I don't think sea water has that big of a difference between surface and deep water though, there are better options for getting energy from the sun.

[Anonymous No.9546295]

>>9546267
>I don't think sea water has that big of a difference between surface and deep water though
You'd be surprised
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_ocean_water

[Anonymous No.9546372]

>>9546295
Reading that it seems it has been used places where the cold ocean water rises naturally to the surface(which i didn't expect). But that just makes me think the temperature difference isn't big enough to justify bigger construction project to take advantage of it in deeper parts of the ocean. I'm not familiar with this though.

[Anonymous No.9546395]

>>9538985
Force of gravity is conservative.
All you get is pressure as the bottom, to bring it back up would take the same energy it took to push it down the same distance.
Then your net Work cancels