The best STEM major

[Anonymous No.9484551]

What is it?
1. Decent pay
2. Big impact
3. Flexibility without need to cuck yourself into ""academia""

[Anonymous No.9484554]

>>9484551
Economics/finance

[Anonymous No.9484559]

>>9484554
>Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9484560]

>>9484551
I would say Mathematics/Statistics. Or perhaps CS, but then you are just a fucking code monkey which is boring as shit. Nevermind the fact that you will almost certainly be working with wannabe nerds who watch the Big Bang theory

[Anonymous No.9484579]

>>9484560
>math
>flexibility without the need to cuck yourself into "academia"
Pure delusion. Unless you get a PhD you're gonna be a highschool teacher.

[Anonymous No.9484581]

>>9484559
Indeed

[Anonymous No.9484585]

>>9484560

You're going to need a PhD or at least a masters for math/stats. Then if you get a PhD or masters in CS then you won't be a code monkey.

[Anonymous No.9484598]

>>9484551
Pure math because fuck labwork.

[Anonymous No.9484600]

>>9484554
/thread

[Anonymous No.9484629]

>>9484551
Unironically CS. Everyone here has their head up their ass about the degree but programming can be comfy af if you get remote gigs.

[Anonymous No.9484651]

EE + CS
Truly the master race of STEM

[Anonymous No.9484663]

>/sci/-/biz/

I hate this board.

[Anonymous No.9485234]

>>9484651
so CE?

[Anonymous No.9485239]

>>9484559
Well if that's what you're limiting yourself to, then the correct answer would be "none of them."

[Anonymous No.9485247]

>>9484598
Pure math teaches no skills employable outside academia. For math itself, this is a good thing. However, it is hard to argue this is good for everyone.

[Anonymous No.9485254]

>>9484663
then leave

[Anonymous No.9485257]

>>9485234
CE is not about EE or CS. EE is much more like applied analysis and mathematics. CS is much more like rigorous discrete mathematics.

[Anonymous No.9485307]

>>9484551
Any degree as long as it gets you into medical school.

[Anonymous No.9485316]

>>9485254
Why can't you people leave? Go to /biz/ idiot

This thread has nothing to do with the board. Fucking end your life

[Anonymous No.9485321]

>>9485316
>t. autist that thinks the board is soley about circlejerking over autistic and esoteric "pure" math

You're a retard.

[Anonymous No.9485324]

>>9484551
That's not the right question. You want to know the best job/career, there's usually multiple ways/majors to get there.

[Anonymous No.9485329]

>>9484551
CS easily, btfos every single STEM field in the categories you listed

[Anonymous No.9485356]

>>9485321
No. It's about science and math. Not to help with homework. Not to give career advice. Not to guide an undergrad through his semester. Not to obsess over iq

This is a science and math board. You are human filth

[Anonymous No.9485372]

>>9485329
>code monkeying
>big impact

[Anonymous No.9485382]

>>9485316
>>9485356
You can hide threads you don't like you retarded newfriend

[Anonymous No.9485383]

>>9485382
This thread is off topic new friend.
I
Am
Better
than
You

[Anonymous No.9485393]

>>9485383
This is now a laughing at autism thread

[Anonymous No.9485404]

>>9484551
Either EE, CE or SE.

[Anonymous No.9485459]

is it dumb to study computer engineering to be a software dev/eng? I rather do CE over CS cause its less of a meme and it just seems cooler

[Anonymous No.9485523]

>>9485459
No. I'm pretty sure you could easily become a software dev with a CE degree.

[Anonymous No.9485569]

>>9484551
Computer Science. Only need a bachleror's, 6 figure salary, can contribute to automating all the shitskin's mcdonalds jobs.

[Anonymous No.9485597]

>>9484551
EE.
>electronics
>power supply
>programming
>automation
>telecommunication
>robotics
Not to mention the patents you can get. Is there anything more versatile than that?

[Anonymous No.9485599]

>>9485597
the ability to critically think for yourself

[Anonymous No.9485631]

>>9484551
applied math/stats masterace
big veiny 8 inch cock + 250k starting salary
only a masters needed ez

[Anonymous No.9485645]

>>9485257
Then what is CE?

[Anonymous No.9485647]

>>9485599
explain

[Anonymous No.9485704]

>>9485599
I don't get the point

[Anonymous No.9485710]

>>9484551
Physics. Though you need a PhD to get the interesting jobs. That is what I did.

[Anonymous No.9485790]

>>9484663

Science
Technology
Engineering
Maths

>I am an elitist moron who things /sci/ is all about useless fairy maths

hang yourself

[Anonymous No.9485993]

Literally computer science, its not even a competition. It has one of the highest salaries for a bachelors, more employment than any other major, big impact in terms of Entrepreneurship, and extremely flexible.

How can other majors even compete?

Honorable mentions to mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, and computer engineering. But a computer engineer is just a jack of all trades so really not that good.

[Anonymous No.9486073]

>>9485372
>CS
>code monkeying
if you're a brainlet like you, sure, but CS literally has hundreds of fields

[Anonymous No.9486277]

Food Science

>Can earn massive sums of money
>Can affect literally everyone on the planet
>100% job placement rating with bachelor's degree
>Get to browse /ck/ AND /sci/

[Anonymous No.9486282]

>>9486073
This. Code monkeys who've never taken a single CS course in their life call themselves computer scientists, but actual CS has some subfields like (modern) AI which require a lot of analysis, linalg, and stats knowledge.

[Anonymous No.9486286]

Math OR Statistics/ Economics OR Finance

OR

Math/CS/Finance

Pretty much any of those pairings are sure to be good pay and have impact in the world.

[Anonymous No.9487100]

>>9485993
>Literally computer science, its not even a competition.
Prepare to be worked like a dog. I remember 6 months crunch time at a time. No fun, even though well paid. 7 days a week 12 hours a day makes for a lot of overtime but also an unhealthy lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.9487824]

>>9485372
one killerapp like fb is responible for depression of millions of normies

[Anonymous No.9487841]

1. CS or medicine
2. CS, EE or medicine
3. CS or EE

[Anonymous No.9489002]

>>9485257
>EE is much more like applied analysis and mathematics. CS is much more like rigorous discrete mathematics.

Neither of these are true

[Anonymous No.9489003]

Biochemistry

[Anonymous No.9489037]

>>9485710
good luck finding an employment spot that is specialized for physics. because at best you'd end up working at a CS job or at a engineering job, or at worst, a high school physics teacher.

[Anonymous No.9489170]

>>9489037
I am employed and my employer are looking for more physicists. We hired a few this year but need more. And we prefer PhD. Pay isn't too shabby either so I'd still say Physics is an excellent choice.

[Anonymous No.9489183]

>>9484551
CE or EE is probably the best. CS is good, and being a code monkey is pretty cool, anyone shitting on it isn't in software.

[Anonymous No.9489279]

>>9485790
What so any of those things have to do with careers and salary again? Stop turning /sci/ into /biz/

[Anonymous No.9489522]

>>9484551
computational chemistry

[Anonymous No.9489533]

>>9489003
I did this and I'm pretty satisfied with where I am at age 25

[Anonymous No.9489537]

>>9489170
I'm curious, where do you live and what's the pay?

[Anonymous No.9489669]

>>9484551
If you do things for money and inpact, you may be meme.

[Anonymous No.9489710]

>>9484560
Idk I did CS and I work with people who hate themselves as much as I do.

[Anonymous No.9489716]

>>9484551
Data "science"

[Anonymous No.9489740]

>>9489669
>Knowledge has its own value)))
>What is a multiplier effect ?
brainlet.jpg

[Anonymous No.9490217]

>>9489537
Europe
Patent attorney
About 100.000 Euro

Not only we but most of our competitors are looking for people to hire. Physicists are the number one in demand, electronics and mechanical engineering are next. Chemistry is slower moving but still many opportunities.
Also the patent offices around the world are looking for people, roughly the same priorities.

AMA is not the thing here I guess but we might do a sci /job/ thread one day.

[Anonymous No.9491842]

>>9486286
I'm finishing a math/econ double major. It's pretty good and I'm getting some decent offers already. If I could do it again I would do math and finance though

[Anonymous No.9492105]

>>9484551
prstitution engineering with those qts

[Anonymous No.9492556]

>>9484598
lab workers don't get paid well and, despite being highly trained, are mega expendable.

[Anonymous No.9492817]

>soon will start to study chemistry
>no one even mentions it

[Anonymous No.9493990]

>>9492817
Pretty good field imho, flexibility and good pay. Tough job market though. Now I get salary to make dabs for a cannabis company

[Anonymous No.9493998]

>>9484554
>STEM
is not STEM

[Anonymous No.9496239]

>>9485257
Not true. CE and EE take a ton of the same courses in undergrad, EEs take signals and control courses whereas CEs take CS + hardware courses. Also CS is much less rigour than an engineering degree.

[Anonymous No.9497231]

>>9484554
fpbp

[Anonymous No.9497294]

>>9484551
Mechanical Engineering. Get good at computational mechanics and advanced material modeling.

[Anonymous No.9497319]

>>9490217
I'm a physics student. I wonder if you had to do any additional schooling to get the job or if PhD in physics was enough.

[Anonymous No.9497523]

>>9497319
The profession requires a masters degree or higher. Where I work we prefer people to have at least 5 years experience in industry since we have to understand the language of the industry which is not the same as in academia.

A common alternative route is to hire people from the Patent Office. My guess is that about 50 percent in the profession come from industry, another 50 percent are hired from the Patent Office and just a handful are hired straight out from university.

There is no further schooling where I am (this varies a LOT between the different countries) but in Europe all new hires are supposed to study for EQE, the exam to become an European patent attorney. The fail rate is very high. Quite a few countries have their own national exam to pass. You will spend years studying for the exam.

[Anonymous No.9497536]

>>9487100
Not allowed in Germany. 6 days/week in a row max., 10h/day max.

[Anonymous No.9497560]

>>9489522
Hartree and Fock are proud of you

[Anonymous No.9497602]

Engineering... whatever discipline you choose just depends on your interests and ambitions.

If you're really ambitious, do something like nanotech or biomedical.

If you just care about making decent money, do something easy like industrial or mechanical.

[Anonymous No.9497735]

>>9497536
>Not allowed in Germany. 6 days/week in a row max., 10h/day max.
This was elsewhere in Europe. In addition it was clear to most of us that the company was in serious trouble so we all doubled down to get the job done. The last year my birthday was on a Sunday. I still had to go to work.

In the end all hope was lost and most of us, me included, were made redundant.

[Anonymous No.9497767]

How civil engineering a the moment?

[Anonymous No.9497802]

>>9497767
one of the easier engineering fields and job prospects are pretty good right now but they might collapse in a few years if (and when) real estate crashes

[Anonymous No.9497829]

How good is a CE major? Should I just go for EE instead if ultimately I wanna work on Embedded Systems or Robotics?

[Anonymous No.9498174]

>>9497829
CE means it is a question of time before your job ends up in India. If you are Indian it is fine.

EE is safer.

[Anonymous No.9498188]

>>9484629
POO in the LOOs will replace you.

[Anonymous No.9498202]

>>9484551
CS or Civ E

[Anonymous No.9498265]

>>9497735
So it was your fault for choosing the shittiest possible company to work for.

[Anonymous No.9498290]

>>9497294
>computational mechanics and advanced material modeling
so.... why not just fucking major in materials engineering at that point?

[Anonymous No.9498307]

>>9498265
I have thought about that question and there are no good answers. First off the company began as a startup. That was the golden age. Lots of interesting people, pay wasn't too shabby and we had a lot of perks.

Then the company got a huge contract but parts of the deal seems shady in hindsight. The customer demanded that the largest company in the field should buy us to secure the contract. So we were bought by the Bigcorp. Founder left, not sure why but of course we can guess. We were an independent subsidiary first, still good times. Then we were "streamlined" meaning our management left one by one and new managers from Bigcorp metastased their way into the small company and we were merged into Bigcorp. And that is when the golden age ended.

Still, I got a few good things out of it.

[Anonymous No.9498340]

>>9498174
>CE means it is a question of time before your job ends up in India. If you are Indian it is fine.
why?

[Anonymous No.9498367]

>>9484551
city planner/architect
definitely programming fits all of them (#2) if you hit it big or work at a big company but you don't even need a degree for that.

[Anonymous No.9498494]

>>9493998
>what is an actuary?

[Anonymous No.9498535]

>>9498340
A lot of jobs are still being outsourced to India. Good news for Indians, less good news for Westerners.

[Anonymous No.9498599]

>>9498535
I meant why is that true for CE and not for EE?

[Anonymous No.9498643]

>>9498599
I take it EE is Electrical Engineer, and in my experience the outsourcing pressure there is far less than in the software industry and in parts of the oil industry. The latter also outsources a LOT of mech. eng. work to India.

[Anonymous No.9499003]

>>9491842
math + econ ---> econ phd masterrrace

[Anonymous No.9499010]

>>9498188

Outsourced programmers from India and other 3rd world countries are usually terrible.

[Anonymous No.9499708]

>>9499010
experience shows that this does not stop the flow of outsourcing.

[Anonymous No.9499727]

>>9485247 is right.

>>9484598 I thought the same s d majored in pure math because I found it interesting and sucked at lab work. It made me completely unemployable and it didn’t help that the math I actually liked was basically an unpopular field, that has long since lost its appeal.

It left me looking for jobs when I was qualified for none of them. I am now doing random low wage jobs. I wish I would have majored in something like statistics & CS or math & CS instead.

No one literally cares you study algebraic geometry, category theory, set theory, or functional analysis in the real world. That’s a ticket for a minimum wage job at a department store. It qualifies you for jobs that require no degree because that’s about the only places that want to hire you.

I since went back to school studying CS. Suddenly well-known software engineering companies are interested in you. Suddenly you can use your math skills to ace math based CS courses that everyone else finds really hard. Suddenly you seem to have a purpose with your skill set and can basically study math on the side while doing g “real” work for your major and everyone thinks “wow, this programmer is really really smart”.

I still wanna go for a PhD. Just no longer in math, but CS. I’ll still be studying pure math and take math graduate level courses. But having a PhD in CS as opposed to a PhD in math will math me much more employable despite having the same knowledge as a math grad student kek.

[Anonymous No.9499742]

>>9486282
>machine learning
>not brainlet-tier
The whole field is literally about giving buzzword names to concepts/theorems from calc/lingebra (backpropagation, also known to every junior undergrad as the chain rule, etc). It's like the paper from medicine that poorly reinvented Riemann integral and renamed it. That's what current ML is about. Disgusting bunch of masturbating monkies.
If you want proper CS fields, look at computational complexity, formal verification, hw/sw co-design, pretty much anything but ML.

[Anonymous No.9499757]

>>9499742
To do ML you need to know (beside calculus and linear algebra):
Decision theory, linear programming, optimization, regression, time series, sampling ,Bayesian statistics, stochastic process, multivariate statistical Anaylsis, calculus based probability, information theory.

Seems like a decent thing to study for me.

[Anonymous No.9499767]

>>9499757
>b-but look at all these topics covered in first 4 semesters of CS
Decent if you're in it for money, yeah. If you're in it for the thrill you get when thinking about a hard problem, you're better off in any other TCS field.

[Anonymous No.9499793]

>>9485993
Found the filthy CS freshman. Have fun living in a high COL city and living in a closet. Gtfo with the CE maymay, I already work in controls/automation and the company i work for says they'll let me finish my CE undergrad because it's relevant to the field. If anything CE is god tier. Enough relevant coursework to apply for EE, ME, CS, Maths, and BioE master's programs. You're going to use only about 10% of what you learned in university anyway.

[Anonymous No.9499817]

>>9499793
>tfw my dissertation was on thread-modular synthesis and the most advanced concept i used in work was vEB tree which we learned about in 2nd semester undergrad
More like 1%. Fucking SV cucks and their primitive code monkey culture.

[Anonymous No.9499893]

>>9484554
This only works if you go to tier one or other semi target schools.
If you're at an average state school don't even think about majoring in this

[Anonymous No.9500612]

>>9499727
im a csfag and wish i had taken (more) math courses. Im in my masters now and would love to actually get a math (maybe philosophy minor/major) degree or i could go directly for a cs phd but i feel like im not getting the best out of it without formal math education.

Cant even do proofs ffs aside from simple ones. We never had to do them. Luckily, I never really struggled with the math components in the cs courses like stats/linalg/logic.

[Anonymous No.9500616]

>>9499708
are tthere any studies on this?

[Anonymous No.9500621]

>>9485459
>I rather do CE over CS cause its less of a meme and it just seems cooler
jesus fucking christ, impressionable kids these days lmao. Look at how fucking memes influence people's life decisions hahaha kys

[Anonymous No.9500752]

>>9500621
>he thinks cs isnt a meme

[Anonymous No.9500800]

>>9484554
only if you're at a top-tier target school.

otherwise major in accounting, if you're into making money at all costs over doing anything interesting or productive for other people.

[Anonymous No.9501038]

>>9484551
>Everyone mentioning Stats/Econ
Am I gonna make it lads

[Anonymous No.9501128]

>>9489522
This is easily the worst answer posted here

[Anonymous No.9501132]

>mathematics or statistics and economics or finance
>leagues more applicable/employable than mathematics alone
>leagues more competitive/niche than econ/finance alone
>open doors to every thing from actuarial work to data science to quant and analyst shit

Literally the "300k starting any job you want" meme come true

[Anonymous No.9501207]

>>9486277
Elaborate my dude, do you end up working for corporations like Monsato?

[Anonymous No.9501314]

Lets be realistic, it's either you go Engineering or die starving on the street.

[Anonymous No.9501431]

>>9484579
noooo you can also be an actuary if you take exams

[Anonymous No.9501439]

>>9487100
>have shitty programming job
>boss i didnt get along with, low pay compared to my peers from university
>keep developing bad will cause my boss is annoying
>"crunch time" comes
>literally do nothing aside from my normal routine cause i dont give a fuck and i know i can easily get another job from my network if i get laid off, and unemployment will cover my rent/food/cobra/we
>mfw

[Anonymous No.9502611]

>all these people absolutely buttmad about CS

enjoy your poverty

[Anonymous No.9502712]

EE is the most interdisciplinary career out there.

[Anonymous No.9502718]

>>9498290
Because materials people are antisocial as fuck at my university. Mechanical and Aerospace tends to get people who have personality, so companies like to recruit from them. I went from Biomed to Mechanical to mechanical focused on aerospace. Plus the Aero and ME programs are top 10, but the materials is a little lower

[Anonymous No.9502724]

>>9484551
1. Engineering or CS if you only have a Bachelor’s but pretty much anything if you go to graduate school
2. Molecular biology
3. Math or engineering

[Anonymous No.9502805]

>>9486282
>linear algebra
>advanced

>>9502611 >>9485993 >>9486073
>Linear algebra is too hard & advanced for us Computer Scientists.
>I have a C in Linear Algebra, I'm so smart for a CS Major